McFadden, Mendenhall, Stewart (1 Viewer)

Garts · Mar 12, 2008

TEAMS THAT MAY BE IN THE HUNT

-Seattle has Jones/Duckett combo now

-NYJ has T. Jones/Chatman

-Carolina has D-Will and no depth

-Oak has Fargas

-Houston has 3 medicore backs in Green, dayne and D. Walker with no clear #1

-Arizona has Edge who is aging

-Atlanta signed Burner

-Chicago has Benson and may be ready to give up, Adrian Peterson is very average as a runner

-Cincinatti..rumoured to be a landing spot for Alexander; Rudi has been used heavily and Watson (journeyman) and Irons is coming off an ACL is in the hunt.

I think Mendenhall could land in Cincinatti as their explosive all-round RB in that offence....could also land in Chicago, Arizona, Detroit or Houston

McFadden likely a Raider or Jet but could fall.

Stewart could go just about anywhere...maybe Denver steps up (???),Detroit, Houston and Seattle seem likely spots as well.

Anyone have any input?

EBF · Mar 12, 2008

Who knows? Teams can and will surprise us on draft day. I could see any of the following teams using an early pick on a back:

Arizona

Chicago

Cincinnati

Cleveland

Dallas

Denver

Detroit

Houston

New Orleans

New York Jets

Oakland

San Diego

Tampa Bay

Tennessee

I think McFadden will go to either Oakland, New York Jets, or New England. Oakland is my frontrunner there.

I think Mendenhall and Stewart will come off in the 9-20 with Chicago, Detroit, and Houston being the most likely destinations.

A team like San Diego or Dallas could take Chris Johnson or Felix Jones in the late first. The more likely scenario is that those guys will slip into the 2nd round. I think we'll see a lot of teams add a 2nd-3rd round insurance/change of pace back. Tennessee, Cleveland, San Diego, Dallas, Arizona, and Denver might make that play. We'll know soon enough.

zadok · Mar 12, 2008

Garts said:
-Oak has Fargas

And Bush. And kept Rhodes for some reason.

Brutis · Mar 12, 2008

My guess is Oakland, Carolina and Arizona for Mcfadden, Mendenhall and Stewart.

massraider · Mar 12, 2008

zadok said:
Garts said:

-Oak has Fargas

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And Bush. And kept Rhodes for some reason.

Lamont Jordan is still on this team as well. IIRC, there are are 3 backs on this team that have had 1,000 yard seasons. Not including Bush, who will get a crack at the job, and they even like Joe Echemandu, who seems to like the zone system the Raiders have in place. Not that Joe E or Rhodes is a reason to NOT draft DMC, but it does illustrate the depth they have there. I think people just feel like DMC should go top 5, and are trying to cram him to the Raiders, without thinking too much about it. Al may be off his tree, and they make some weird picks, but they have had high picks recently, and haven't surprised too much. Huff, Gallery, Russell, were all needs, and didn't make people blink. RB is not a need. In fact, it may well be the biggest strength.Yeah, Al loves speed. That pretty much seems to be the basis for mocking DMC to Oakland, but he covets pass rushers more. The Raiders had a bad rush D, and desperately need a pass rusher opposite Burgess. And lo and behold, we have two stud DE prospects, and two stud DT prospects. If C. Long is gone, I think Ghoslton is their pick. Fast, athletic, all the stuff Davis wants, and at a position of need.I never heard anything about the Raiders showing interest in Peterson last year, it was Russell and CJ. And the perception was that they had NO running backs last year. Fargas was considered a scrub. Now, highly-ranked players are sitting at a position of desperate need (the DL), the Raiders have depth at RB, and they are gonna take a lesser prospect than Peterson? I doubt this very much.

Riffraff · Mar 12, 2008

EBF said:
I think we'll see a lot of teams add a 2nd-3rd round insurance/change of pace back. Tennessee, Cleveland, San Diego, Dallas, Arizona, and Denver might make that play. We'll know soon enough.

Currently, the Chargers do not have a 2nd (Chambers) or 3rd (Weddle) round pick. Just an FYI.

rzrback77 · Mar 12, 2008

massraider said:
zadok said:

Garts said:

-Oak has Fargas

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And Bush. And kept Rhodes for some reason.

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Lamont Jordan is still on this team as well. IIRC, there are are 3 backs on this team that have had 1,000 yard seasons. Not including Bush, who will get a crack at the job, and they even like Joe Echemandu, who seems to like the zone system the Raiders have in place. Not that Joe E or Rhodes is a reason to NOT draft DMC, but it does illustrate the depth they have there. I think people just feel like DMC should go top 5, and are trying to cram him to the Raiders, without thinking too much about it. Al may be off his tree, and they make some weird picks, but they have had high picks recently, and haven't surprised too much. Huff, Gallery, Russell, were all needs, and didn't make people blink. RB is not a need. In fact, it may well be the biggest strength.Yeah, Al loves speed. That pretty much seems to be the basis for mocking DMC to Oakland, but he covets pass rushers more. The Raiders had a bad rush D, and desperately need a pass rusher opposite Burgess. And lo and behold, we have two stud DE prospects, and two stud DT prospects. If C. Long is gone, I think Ghoslton is their pick. Fast, athletic, all the stuff Davis wants, and at a position of need.I never heard anything about the Raiders showing interest in Peterson last year, it was Russell and CJ. And the perception was that they had NO running backs last year. Fargas was considered a scrub. Now, highly-ranked players are sitting at a position of desperate need (the DL), the Raiders have depth at RB, and they are gonna take a lesser prospect than Peterson? I doubt this very much.

I am a McFadden proponent, but I believe that he will drop further than most mocks in the FBG Forums are predicting.

Craig_MiamiFL · Mar 12, 2008

zadok said:
Garts said:

-Oak has Fargas

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And Bush. And kept Rhodes for some reason.

I really hope people get off the whole Bush wagon. And soon. Them keeping Rhodes is a whole lot more damning to Bush than any other scenario.Bush will have been out almost 2 full years this upcoming season. If he'd proved anything whatsoever at the pro level (before injury), it'd be one thing. Even that said, the guy suffered a devastating injury and obviously hasn't progressed as quickly as thought. Not a great thing for a guy with weight issues to begin with. If they take McFadden, Bush is gone. Perhaps they get the opportunity to throw him on the PS.

Brutis · Mar 12, 2008

massraider said:
zadok said:

Garts said:

-Oak has Fargas

Click to expand...

And Bush. And kept Rhodes for some reason.

Click to expand...

Lamont Jordan is still on this team as well. IIRC, there are are 3 backs on this team that have had 1,000 yard seasons. Not including Bush, who will get a crack at the job, and they even like Joe Echemandu, who seems to like the zone system the Raiders have in place. Not that Joe E or Rhodes is a reason to NOT draft DMC, but it does illustrate the depth they have there. I think people just feel like DMC should go top 5, and are trying to cram him to the Raiders, without thinking too much about it. Al may be off his tree, and they make some weird picks, but they have had high picks recently, and haven't surprised too much. Huff, Gallery, Russell, were all needs, and didn't make people blink. RB is not a need. In fact, it may well be the biggest strength.

I disagree. If Fargas is your teams #1 RB there is no way that position can be considered one of your "strengths". Dmac is an automatic upgrade at that position and the best thing for a young QB like Russell is to have a running game to take some pressure off him. The all too often injured Fargas isnt gonna cut it imo.

massraider · Mar 12, 2008

Craig_MiamiFL said:
zadok said:

Garts said:

-Oak has Fargas

Click to expand...

And Bush. And kept Rhodes for some reason.

Click to expand...

I really hope people get off the whole Bush wagon. And soon. Them keeping Rhodes is a whole lot more damning to Bush than any other scenario.

No it's not. I am not a big believer in M. Bush, but getting Rhodes to come back for a pay cut says nothing about Bush at all. It says that Rhodes is willing to stay for less, and not complain if he doesn't get the rock. The Raiders offered him a pay cut, or he was most likely cut. Seems to me if they were desperate for Rhodes to return because Bush wasn't ready to go, he wouldn't be taking a pay cut.They sat Bush down for the year, that's the only thing we know. Maybe he hadn't healed, maybe the Raiders were fine with the backs that were already on the active roster, and saw no reason to rush him back. The key is, no one really knows.

Burning Sensation · Mar 12, 2008

Craig_MiamiFL said:
zadok said:

Garts said:

-Oak has Fargas

Click to expand...

And Bush. And kept Rhodes for some reason.

Click to expand...

I really hope people get off the whole Bush wagon. And soon. Them keeping Rhodes is a whole lot more damning to Bush than any other scenario.Bush will have been out almost 2 full years this upcoming season. If he'd proved anything whatsoever at the pro level (before injury), it'd be one thing. Even that said, the guy suffered a devastating injury and obviously hasn't progressed as quickly as thought. Not a great thing for a guy with weight issues to begin with. If they take McFadden, Bush is gone. Perhaps they get the opportunity to throw him on the PS.

The Raiders knew when they drafted Bush that he probably wouldnt play last year, what has changed?I agree, that if the Raiders draft Mcfadden, that pretty much means Bush is finished. However, i think Mass Raider is dead on, i feel pretty confident the Raiders dont take DMac.I also think it is a good sign for Bush that they resigned Fargas and Rhodes. I dont think the Raiders ever planned on handing Bush the starting job this year. As far as RB's to beat out for the job, i think this is best case scenario for Bush.As far as Mcfadden, i would put my money on the Jets. If he makes it past the Jets, i think the Cowboys try and trade up for him.Stewart and Mendenhall could go as high as the Bengals and Broncos. I also dont think there is any way either makes it to the Texans.

massraider · Mar 12, 2008

Brutis said:
massraider said:

zadok said:

Garts said:

-Oak has Fargas

Click to expand...

And Bush. And kept Rhodes for some reason.

Click to expand...

Lamont Jordan is still on this team as well. IIRC, there are are 3 backs on this team that have had 1,000 yard seasons. Not including Bush, who will get a crack at the job, and they even like Joe Echemandu, who seems to like the zone system the Raiders have in place. Not that Joe E or Rhodes is a reason to NOT draft DMC, but it does illustrate the depth they have there. I think people just feel like DMC should go top 5, and are trying to cram him to the Raiders, without thinking too much about it. Al may be off his tree, and they make some weird picks, but they have had high picks recently, and haven't surprised too much. Huff, Gallery, Russell, were all needs, and didn't make people blink. RB is not a need. In fact, it may well be the biggest strength.

Click to expand...

I disagree. If Fargas is your teams #1 RB there is no way that position can be considered one of your "strengths". Dmac is an automatic upgrade at that position and the best thing for a young QB like Russell is to have a running game to take some pressure off him. The all too often injured Fargas isnt gonna cut it imo.

Don't tell me RB isn't a strength, unless you are prepared to tell me which position IS the strongest on the team. Take your time.They already have a strong running game. It already takes the pressure off the QB. That's why the sack numbers were so down last year, because the O-line was blocking people in the running game, the play action actually slowed down the pass rush, and the offense ate some clock.Check the numbers. The best part of the Raiders, as low as that bar is set, was the running game.

Brutis · Mar 12, 2008

massraider said:
Brutis said:

massraider said:

zadok said:

Garts said:

-Oak has Fargas

Click to expand...

And Bush. And kept Rhodes for some reason.

Click to expand...

Lamont Jordan is still on this team as well. IIRC, there are are 3 backs on this team that have had 1,000 yard seasons. Not including Bush, who will get a crack at the job, and they even like Joe Echemandu, who seems to like the zone system the Raiders have in place. Not that Joe E or Rhodes is a reason to NOT draft DMC, but it does illustrate the depth they have there. I think people just feel like DMC should go top 5, and are trying to cram him to the Raiders, without thinking too much about it. Al may be off his tree, and they make some weird picks, but they have had high picks recently, and haven't surprised too much. Huff, Gallery, Russell, were all needs, and didn't make people blink. RB is not a need. In fact, it may well be the biggest strength.

Click to expand...

I disagree. If Fargas is your teams #1 RB there is no way that position can be considered one of your "strengths". Dmac is an automatic upgrade at that position and the best thing for a young QB like Russell is to have a running game to take some pressure off him. The all too often injured Fargas isnt gonna cut it imo.

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Don't tell me RB isn't a strength, unless you are prepared to tell me which position IS the strongest on the team. Take your time.They already have a strong running game.

Fargas is their #1 RB. I rest my case.

EBF · Mar 12, 2008

Riffraff said:
EBF said:

I think we'll see a lot of teams add a 2nd-3rd round insurance/change of pace back. Tennessee, Cleveland, San Diego, Dallas, Arizona, and Denver might make that play. We'll know soon enough.

Click to expand...

Currently, the Chargers do not have a 2nd (Chambers) or 3rd (Weddle) round pick. Just an FYI.

Well I wouldn't be shocked to see them use a 4th, 5th, or 6th on a new backup for LT. There will be some decent talent out there on the second day.

Garts · Mar 12, 2008

For fantasy purposes and someone who owns the 1.02 and 1.03 thsi year, woud it be better if McFadden fell a bit..meaning the others woudl fall as well and may land in favourable places.

Heck, how could the Bengals pass on McFadden if he were to fall to them?

I trhink if he isn't gone by 6-7...someone trades up tp get him.

cstu · Mar 12, 2008

massraider said:
zadok said:

Garts said:

-Oak has Fargas

Click to expand...

And Bush. And kept Rhodes for some reason.

Click to expand...

Lamont Jordan is still on this team as well. IIRC, there are are 3 backs on this team that have had 1,000 yard seasons. Not including Bush, who will get a crack at the job, and they even like Joe Echemandu, who seems to like the zone system the Raiders have in place. Not that Joe E or Rhodes is a reason to NOT draft DMC, but it does illustrate the depth they have there. I think people just feel like DMC should go top 5, and are trying to cram him to the Raiders, without thinking too much about it. Al may be off his tree, and they make some weird picks, but they have had high picks recently, and haven't surprised too much. Huff, Gallery, Russell, were all needs, and didn't make people blink. RB is not a need. In fact, it may well be the biggest strength.Yeah, Al loves speed. That pretty much seems to be the basis for mocking DMC to Oakland, but he covets pass rushers more. The Raiders had a bad rush D, and desperately need a pass rusher opposite Burgess. And lo and behold, we have two stud DE prospects, and two stud DT prospects. If C. Long is gone, I think Ghoslton is their pick. Fast, athletic, all the stuff Davis wants, and at a position of need.I never heard anything about the Raiders showing interest in Peterson last year, it was Russell and CJ. And the perception was that they had NO running backs last year. Fargas was considered a scrub. Now, highly-ranked players are sitting at a position of desperate need (the DL), the Raiders have depth at RB, and they are gonna take a lesser prospect than Peterson? I doubt this very much.

I think the fact that the Raiders passed on AP when their RB situation was worse (at least now Fargus is somewhat proven and Michael Bush has potential) shows it doesn't make much sense to mock DMC to Oak.

cstu · Mar 12, 2008

Garts said:
For fantasy purposes and someone who owns the 1.02 and 1.03 thsi year, woud it be better if McFadden fell a bit..meaning the others woudl fall as well and may land in favourable places.Heck, how could the Bengals pass on McFadden if he were to fall to them?I trhink if he isn't gone by 6-7...someone trades up tp get him.

The Bengals have huge defensive needs and their RB situation is pretty good.

Craig_MiamiFL · Mar 12, 2008

massraider said:
Craig_MiamiFL said:

zadok said:

Garts said:

-Oak has Fargas

Click to expand...

And Bush. And kept Rhodes for some reason.

Click to expand...

I really hope people get off the whole Bush wagon. And soon. Them keeping Rhodes is a whole lot more damning to Bush than any other scenario.

Click to expand...

No it's not. I am not a big believer in M. Bush, but getting Rhodes to come back for a pay cut says nothing about Bush at all. It says that Rhodes is willing to stay for less, and not complain if he doesn't get the rock. The Raiders offered him a pay cut, or he was most likely cut. Seems to me if they were desperate for Rhodes to return because Bush wasn't ready to go, he wouldn't be taking a pay cut.They sat Bush down for the year, that's the only thing we know. Maybe he hadn't healed, maybe the Raiders were fine with the backs that were already on the active roster, and saw no reason to rush him back. The key is, no one really knows.

We will agree to disagree here on Rhodes/Bush. Rhodes is what he is. One of the better backup RB's in the league. They aren't going to pay Rhodes $1.75 million (or whatever the exact # is) to be their #3 RB. Just doesn't say a whole lot that they don't even have the confidence to have Bush be the backup.Hasn't been mentioned yet, but Rhodes looked really good against 3 tough defenses to end the year. They took a flier on Bush, really owe him nothing. He's given them nothing. They aren't going to sit and sit and sit around for the guy to show something. I think there's a very good possibility we can stick a fork in Bush after this year's draft. I don't think Bush is the type of athlete that can take 2 years off and produce at a high level in a league that he's done nothing. It's hard for anyone and it takes a hell of an athlete to do so. :mellow:

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