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Update: Jonathan Stewart HAS surgery on his right toe (1 Viewer)

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I was just watching NFL Network and they indicated that several GMs said Stewart needs surgery on his toe, and that it would take 4 or 6 months to heal. So, I could see him slipping in the NFL draft, and slip some in fantasy drafts.

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Update

Adam Shefter is calling the injury a stress fracture (like turf toe), and that he had surgery today and will be out 4 months.

Here is another story I found.

Jonathan Stewart Has Surgery

Posted by Aaron Fentress March 13, 2008 15:38PM

Categories: NFL Local Ties

Former Oregon running back Jonathan Stewart had surgery on his injured right toe Thursday, putting him on the sideline for at least three months and potentially hurting his stock in April's NFL Draft.

Stewart, expected to be a first-round selection, has been bothered by the injury commonly referred to as "turf toe" since he was injured during a game at Arizona on Nov. 15.

Stewart finished the season playing in pain and appeared at the NFL combine last month where he sat out some drills because of discomfort in his toe.

However, he performed well, running the 40-yard dash in 4.48 seconds and leaped 36 inches at 235 pounds and solidified himself on most mock draft boards as a mid-first round pick, potentially to Arizona at No. 16 or Houston at No. 18.

He was originally scheduled to workout for scouts at Oregon's second Pro Day on April 20.

NFLDraftScout.com draft analyst Rob Rang said the injury shouldn't hurt Stewart's stock much, if at all.

Rang, who was at the combine, said teams were already aware of the injury and the potential that Stewart could need surgery.

Rang said that a team eyeing Stewart in the first round likely won't pass on him because of this injury, even though lower-leg injuries are always a concern for running backs.

"At the end of the day you just have to turn on the film and you can see that the kid can play," Rang said.

Calls to Stewart and his agent were not yet returned.
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JohnnyU said:
Sorry if this is a :honda:I was just watching NFL Network and they indicated that several GMs said Stewart needs surgery on his toe, and that it would take 4 or 5 months to heal. So, I could see him slipping in the NFL draft, and slip some in fantasy drafts.
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April thru July if he has the surgery? I wouldn't drop him over that. He'll miss one OTAs, have plenty of time to learn the O in person and not miss a day of training camp.
 
Chaos Commish said:
JohnnyU said:
Sorry if this is a :honda:I was just watching NFL Network and they indicated that several GMs said Stewart needs surgery on his toe, and that it would take 4 or 5 months to heal. So, I could see him slipping in the NFL draft, and slip some in fantasy drafts.
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April thru July if he has the surgery? I wouldn't drop him over that. He'll miss one OTAs, have plenty of time to learn the O in person and not miss a day of training camp.
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Still not the kind of news I want to hear with the 1.2 pick I traded for in a dynasty draft. Of course I may like Mendenhall more anyway :goodposting:
 
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JohnnyU said:
Sorry if this is a :honda:I was just watching NFL Network and they indicated that several GMs said Stewart needs surgery on his toe, and that it would take 4 or 5 months to heal. So, I could see him slipping in the NFL draft, and slip some in fantasy drafts.
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Was anything mentioned about the nature of the injury? Turf toe? Fracture? Hang nail? If true, that could have a slight to significant impact on his draft value, as some toe/foot injuries never really go away.
 
WhoDat said:
JohnnyU said:
Sorry if this is a :honda:I was just watching NFL Network and they indicated that several GMs said Stewart needs surgery on his toe, and that it would take 4 or 5 months to heal. So, I could see him slipping in the NFL draft, and slip some in fantasy drafts.
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Was anything mentioned about the nature of the injury? Turf toe? Fracture? Hang nail? If true, that could have a slight to significant impact on his draft value, as some toe/foot injuries never really go away.
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No, just that he fought through the toe injury this past season. I'm not sure what the exact toe injury is.
 
I just googleld "Jonathan Stewart" toe injury, and found some links that said it was a turf toe. He suffered the turf toe injury on Sept. 29 at Oregon State.

hmmm, early in the year. He probably reaggravated it more than once this year.

Here

 
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JohnnyU said:
WhoDat said:
JohnnyU said:
Sorry if this is a :honda:I was just watching NFL Network and they indicated that several GMs said Stewart needs surgery on his toe, and that it would take 4 or 5 months to heal. So, I could see him slipping in the NFL draft, and slip some in fantasy drafts.
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Was anything mentioned about the nature of the injury? Turf toe? Fracture? Hang nail? If true, that could have a slight to significant impact on his draft value, as some toe/foot injuries never really go away.
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No, just that he fought through the toe injury this past season. I'm not sure what the exact toe injury is.
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Gracias.I am really curious as to the nature of the injury and who was so generous with sharing or planting, depending on how you view the situation, this information with the NFL Network. It would stand to reason something more definitive should surface via print or web media within the next 48 hours that either supports/confirms/brief diagnosis of the injury or refutes the matter. I would think someone from the Stewart side of the house would be generating some sort of story to aid and protect their client's interest.
 
JohnnyU said:
I just googleld "Jonathan Stewart" toe injury, and found some links that said it was a turf toe. He suffered the turf toe injury on Sept. 29 at Oregon State.

hmmm, early in the year. He probably reaggravated it more than once this year.

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Muchos gracias and that injury is dicey. Unique unto the individual but can range from mild to career ending. I really like that kid and, hopefully, this is not a bad case.
 
WhoDat said:
JohnnyU said:
WhoDat said:
JohnnyU said:
Sorry if this is a :honda:

I was just watching NFL Network and they indicated that several GMs said Stewart needs surgery on his toe, and that it would take 4 or 5 months to heal. So, I could see him slipping in the NFL draft, and slip some in fantasy drafts.
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Was anything mentioned about the nature of the injury? Turf toe? Fracture? Hang nail? If true, that could have a slight to significant impact on his draft value, as some toe/foot injuries never really go away.
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No, just that he fought through the toe injury this past season. I'm not sure what the exact toe injury is.
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Gracias.I am really curious as to the nature of the injury and who was so generous with sharing or planting, depending on how you view the situation, this information with the NFL Network. It would stand to reason something more definitive should surface via print or web media within the next 48 hours that either supports/confirms/brief diagnosis of the injury or refutes the matter. I would think someone from the Stewart side of the house would be generating some sort of story to aid and protect their client's interest.
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See my last post. It's turf toe apparently. Looks like he suffered it early in the year and fought through it all year. NFL Network said each team will look at the MRI and make their own judgement on Stewart.
 
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Has anyone else heard this on NFL Network? Not trying to question whether or not this was made up, but so far no one else has come to post they heard the same thing and I'm not finding anything about this anywhere and I would think this would be pretty substantial news.

 
gianmarco said:
Has anyone else heard this on NFL Network? Not trying to question whether or not this was made up, but so far no one else has come to post they heard the same thing and I'm not finding anything about this anywhere and I would think this would be pretty substantial news.
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I'm sure someone else had to have watched it. I was eating dinner watching the piece they were doing on Stewart, and they did say the exact words, "several GMs said he needed surgery, and that it would take 4 or 5 months to heal". They also said, and I paraphrase this part, that team doctors will examine the MRI.
 
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gianmarco said:
Has anyone else heard this on NFL Network? Not trying to question whether or not this was made up, but so far no one else has come to post they heard the same thing and I'm not finding anything about this anywhere and I would think this would be pretty substantial news.
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This is from the Bears Forum. A guy here apparently saw it. Looks like he left out the part about what some of the GMs said, "that he needed surgery", only saying they will evaluate to see if he needs surgery. That's not 100% accurate to what I heard them say, but it does give you some validity of the story.here

 
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If this helps, I was watching the Path to the draft on NFL Network between 5:30 - 5:45 CT when I heard this.

 
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Chaos Commish said:
JohnnyU said:
Sorry if this is a :honda:I was just watching NFL Network and they indicated that several GMs said Stewart needs surgery on his toe, and that it would take 4 or 5 months to heal. So, I could see him slipping in the NFL draft, and slip some in fantasy drafts.
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April thru July if he has the surgery? I wouldn't drop him over that. He'll miss one OTAs, have plenty of time to learn the O in person and not miss a day of training camp.
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optimistic?
 
If he was playing through turf toe that needed surgery all year, this is almost a plus - I mean clearly the dude can play hurt, you could barely tell.

 
JohnnyU said:
Here it is. Fast forward past the highlights and interview with Stewart, and go to the part where the studio hosts are talking.

NFL Network segment on Jonathan Stewart
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Thank you.ETA--This KILLS the value of the 1.3. 4-6 months is July-Sept. That's PUP talk with no training camp. Not to overreact, but if I owned the 1.3, I'd consider moving it now and getting very good value before this news breaks even more.

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
Chaos Commish said:
JohnnyU said:
Sorry if this is a :honda:I was just watching NFL Network and they indicated that several GMs said Stewart needs surgery on his toe, and that it would take 4 or 5 months to heal. So, I could see him slipping in the NFL draft, and slip some in fantasy drafts.
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April thru July if he has the surgery? I wouldn't drop him over that. He'll miss one OTAs, have plenty of time to learn the O in person and not miss a day of training camp.
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optimistic?
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Toe injuries scare me, but every indication of this one is that it was minor, the capsule was worn not torn, there was no spur forming and the cartilage was in good shape. That's why he rested when he could but played every week. He even practiced on it. As I understand turf toe surgery, it is only done when a spur forms and limits movement. I could be wrong about that and they are nasty conditions that recur and get worse. Okay, the more I think about this the bigger deal it becomes for me. Turf toe is pretty stinkin' serious. I guess I just didn't want to believe it when so much smoke blows this time of year.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
If he was playing through turf toe that needed surgery all year, this is almost a plus - I mean clearly the dude can play hurt, you could barely tell.
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He went from Pac 10 60 meter champ to 4.47. He was reported sub 4.4 every single spring in Oregon. Sounds like Stewart may have lost a step. Turf toe heals but comes back. Surgery is not always successful. The inserts they fit for pain relief and to limit further damage are terrible to run on.
The introduction of artificial turf resulted in a rapid rise in hyperextension injuries to the great toe metatarsophalangeal joint. This injury has been noted in the participants of a number of sports. The injury to the plantar structures of the joint can result in pain with extension and difficulty with continued participation. Classification is based on clinical findings and imaging studies. Nonoperative treatment is often sufficient for less severe injuries. Surgery is indicated for complete plantar plate avulsions or fracture of the sesamoid. In high–performance athletes, hyperextension injuries can be a disabling injury resulting in the premature conclusion of an athletic career.
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I think it merits downgrading him. :excited: Believe me, I hate to say that, as I prefer McFadden and would love to see Stewart go first in my draft, but this is serious if it goes to surgery. Toes bother me worse than knees.

 
Chaos Commish said:
Sigmund Bloom said:
If he was playing through turf toe that needed surgery all year, this is almost a plus - I mean clearly the dude can play hurt, you could barely tell.
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He went from Pac 10 60 meter champ to 4.47. He was reported sub 4.4 every single spring in Oregon. Sounds like Stewart may have lost a step. Turf toe heals but comes back. Surgery is not always successful. The inserts they fit for pain relief and to limit further damage are terrible to run on.
The introduction of artificial turf resulted in a rapid rise in hyperextension injuries to the great toe metatarsophalangeal joint. This injury has been noted in the participants of a number of sports. The injury to the plantar structures of the joint can result in pain with extension and difficulty with continued participation. Classification is based on clinical findings and imaging studies. Nonoperative treatment is often sufficient for less severe injuries. Surgery is indicated for complete plantar plate avulsions or fracture of the sesamoid. In high–performance athletes, hyperextension injuries can be a disabling injury resulting in the premature conclusion of an athletic career.
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I think it merits downgrading him. :thumbdown: Believe me, I hate to say that, as I prefer McFadden and would love to see Stewart go first in my draft, but this is serious if it goes to surgery. Toes bother me worse than knees.
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Touche - this is definitely not good in any way, I was just playing spin doctor.
 
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gianmarco said:
JohnnyU said:
Here it is. Fast forward past the highlights and interview with Stewart, and go to the part where the studio hosts are talking.

NFL Network segment on Jonathan Stewart
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Thank you.ETA--This KILLS the value of the 1.3. 4-6 months is July-Sept. That's PUP talk with no training camp. Not to overreact, but if I owned the 1.3, I'd consider moving it now and getting very good value before this news breaks even more.
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I couldn't be happier sitting at 1.03 as I think that he definitely falls to me.
 
Domination said:
gianmarco said:
JohnnyU said:
Here it is. Fast forward past the highlights and interview with Stewart, and go to the part where the studio hosts are talking.

NFL Network segment on Jonathan Stewart
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Thank you.ETA--This KILLS the value of the 1.3. 4-6 months is July-Sept. That's PUP talk with no training camp. Not to overreact, but if I owned the 1.3, I'd consider moving it now and getting very good value before this news breaks even more.
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I couldn't be happier sitting at 1.03 as I think that he definitely falls to me.
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That's an interesting response, and it could be the right one. I wouldn't be happy about this news though. Anyone think of a rookie with turf toe that healed? Injury issues have harassed Stewart his entire career. My favorite compare to him is Fred Taylor.

 
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So if Stewart really needs surgery....on a toe that he injured first in September....why not have the surgery back in, say, January? :shrug: It just doesn't make a lot of sense.

 
Michael J Fox said:
So if Stewart really needs surgery....on a toe that he injured first in September....why not have the surgery back in, say, January? :shrug: It just doesn't make a lot of sense.
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Well, if he played on it all year, maybe he figured he'd lose a lot of money if he did not show at the combine. And for a guy with turf toe, he had an amazing combine.
 
Michael J Fox said:
So if Stewart really needs surgery....on a toe that he injured first in September....why not have the surgery back in, say, January? :shrug: It just doesn't make a lot of sense.
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I was wondering that too. He must've had a deadline to see if it got any better. If he elects to have the surgery now he could still potentially be ready for the season.
 
At this point in the game, it's hard to tell how much of this is fact or fiction and just how serious any issues might be. I say kick back, relax, and wait until the NFL draft. If some NFL team feels comfortable dropping millions of dollars on Stewart then I'll be inclined to believe that the toe probably isn't a major issue. If he falls out of the first round then there might be cause for concern.

As for his long-term durability, I'd say it's spotty. That's the case with any RB prospect. RB is a violent position. In general, I don't like to build dynasty teams around these guys because you never know when they're going to get cut down by injuries.

 
I find it interesting that I had/see Stewart going to Houston in a lot of Mocks and this news breaks about the same time the Texans are about to sign Chris Brown

 
Bri said:
JohnnyU said:
Here it is. Fast forward past the highlights and interview with Stewart, and go to the part where the studio hosts are talking.

NFL Network segment on Jonathan Stewart
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stinks you were questionned so muchnice to hang in there man
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Why does it stink? There are sometimes rumors that are spread that aren't true as well as things said that are either repeated incorrectly or misinterpreted. Would seem a story as potentially big as this would be reported elsewhere or corroborated by at least ONE other person on this board. The fact that some time had passed and neither of those happened, I simply was trying to make sure it was accurate.When he posted the link, I immediately replied and said thank you. So why does it "stink" he was questioned? Have we never seen rumors on here posted incorrectly? I remember seeing something about 5 yrs/$50 million for Moss just a few days ago that was incorrect. I'm sorry I don't take everything I read here as gospel. And, that's not to mention that my post wasn't rude in any sort of way.

 
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i think a toe injury ended deion sanders career (though he already had a long career (& played pro baseball, too!)...

OJ mcduffie had corrective surgery which ended his career...

supposedly coles plays in pain with a toe injury due to the mcduffie example...

there must be others... & no doubt many who have the injury & it isn't a death blow to their career...

it is hard to think of a serial pro bowl RB with chronic turf toe...

i guess a good question is what % of turf toe injuries lead to chronic complications down the road... 20%, 10%, much higher?

paging dr. jene bramel...

 
Bob Magaw said:
i think a toe injury ended deion sanders career (though he already had a long career (& played pro baseball, too!)...OJ mcduffie had corrective surgery which ended his career...supposedly coles plays in pain with a toe injury due to the mcduffie example...there must be others... & no doubt many who have the injury & it isn't a death blow to their career...it is hard to think of a serial pro bowl RB with chronic turf toe...i guess a good question is what % of turf toe injuries lead to chronic complications down the road... 20%, 10%, much higher?paging dr. jene bramel...
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For some reason I'm thinking Eddie George
 
I think CC hit most of the high points. It's too difficult to speculate on what grade the injury may be, but even the most severe injuries may get conservative treatment up front. Conservative treatment, however, doesn't usually include continuing to play in those severe cases.

I don't have access to all the literature, but have read review pieces that suggest that as many as 50% of cases have persistent symptoms at 5 years. That percentage wasn't broken out by grade of injury and need for surgery, but I would expect that the risk is high even with a Grade II (incomplete tear of the capsular ligament).

I'm probably in agreement with those who see the 40 time as a positive sign. The pain and decreased range of motion associated with these injuries should affect explosiveness and straight line speed as much as lateral agility. I'm not up on the combine numbers, but if his lateral agility measures were comparable with others and his expected performance, that'd also be reassuring.

I'll keep searching around.

 
gianmarco said:
Has anyone else heard this on NFL Network? Not trying to question whether or not this was made up, but so far no one else has come to post they heard the same thing and I'm not finding anything about this anywhere and I would think this would be pretty substantial news.
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Johnny U wouldn't be making this up...plus he did get some links etc...
 
Liquid Tension said:
gianmarco said:
Has anyone else heard this on NFL Network? Not trying to question whether or not this was made up, but so far no one else has come to post they heard the same thing and I'm not finding anything about this anywhere and I would think this would be pretty substantial news.
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Johnny U wouldn't be making this up...plus he did get some links etc...
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I don't blame anyone who questions the validitiy of such news without a link. It just took me awhile to find it. I don't know why I didn't go to nflnetwork.com and look for it from the beginning.
 
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Jene Bramel said:
I think CC hit most of the high points. It's too difficult to speculate on what grade the injury may be, but even the most severe injuries may get conservative treatment up front. Conservative treatment, however, doesn't usually include continuing to play in those severe cases. I don't have access to all the literature, but have read review pieces that suggest that as many as 50% of cases have persistent symptoms at 5 years. That percentage wasn't broken out by grade of injury and need for surgery, but I would expect that the risk is high even with a Grade II (incomplete tear of the capsular ligament). I'm probably in agreement with those who see the 40 time as a positive sign. The pain and decreased range of motion associated with these injuries should affect explosiveness and straight line speed as much as lateral agility. I'm not up on the combine numbers, but if his lateral agility measures were comparable with others and his expected performance, that'd also be reassuring.I'll keep searching around.
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What is the condition of Chris Brown now? He had severe turf toe and didn't have surgery (I don't think he did that is). I guess Stewart's condition could be worse, I don't know.
 
JohnnyU said:
Jene Bramel said:
I think CC hit most of the high points. It's too difficult to speculate on what grade the injury may be, but even the most severe injuries may get conservative treatment up front. Conservative treatment, however, doesn't usually include continuing to play in those severe cases. I don't have access to all the literature, but have read review pieces that suggest that as many as 50% of cases have persistent symptoms at 5 years. That percentage wasn't broken out by grade of injury and need for surgery, but I would expect that the risk is high even with a Grade II (incomplete tear of the capsular ligament). I'm probably in agreement with those who see the 40 time as a positive sign. The pain and decreased range of motion associated with these injuries should affect explosiveness and straight line speed as much as lateral agility. I'm not up on the combine numbers, but if his lateral agility measures were comparable with others and his expected performance, that'd also be reassuring.I'll keep searching around.
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What is the condition of Chris Brown now? He had severe turf toe and didn't have surgery (I don't think he did that is). I guess Stewart's condition could be worse, I don't know.
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he had lots of rest. IIRC Docs say that's the most important thing toward healing a turf toe. I don't believe Coles had surgery each time he had it.
 
JohnnyU said:
Jene Bramel said:
I think CC hit most of the high points. It's too difficult to speculate on what grade the injury may be, but even the most severe injuries may get conservative treatment up front. Conservative treatment, however, doesn't usually include continuing to play in those severe cases. I don't have access to all the literature, but have read review pieces that suggest that as many as 50% of cases have persistent symptoms at 5 years. That percentage wasn't broken out by grade of injury and need for surgery, but I would expect that the risk is high even with a Grade II (incomplete tear of the capsular ligament). I'm probably in agreement with those who see the 40 time as a positive sign. The pain and decreased range of motion associated with these injuries should affect explosiveness and straight line speed as much as lateral agility. I'm not up on the combine numbers, but if his lateral agility measures were comparable with others and his expected performance, that'd also be reassuring.I'll keep searching around.
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What is the condition of Chris Brown now? He had severe turf toe and didn't have surgery (I don't think he did that is). I guess Stewart's condition could be worse, I don't know.
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Don't know. I think it's impossible to know the severity of each injury without all kinds of additional information we'll never see. It's more difficult to speculate with this kind of injury, given the differences in anatomy in that region, among other things like pain tolerance and running style, etc.You draft gurus would know better than I, but unless there was a re-aggravation at some point after the season, Stewart's pre-draft workouts and body of work during the season should be as predictive as anything else. I haven't watched the clip, but I suppose it's conceivable that a team doc could see something on an MRI that might put him in a higher risk category for re-injury and subsequent complications in the future where others might not be as concerned...but that's getting well beyond useful speculation.
 
The irony is that this sort of story may cause Stewart to drop in the draft . . . only to get drafted by a better team, such as Seattle for example. Then what?

 
Liquid Tension said:
gianmarco said:
Has anyone else heard this on NFL Network? Not trying to question whether or not this was made up, but so far no one else has come to post they heard the same thing and I'm not finding anything about this anywhere and I would think this would be pretty substantial news.
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Johnny U wouldn't be making this up...plus he did get some links etc...
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Read my post #37. Plus, the links weren't there to start, they were added. Again, once they were, I immediately replied and thanked him. And I said "NOT TRYING TO QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS MADE UP". Seriously, why are there now 2 people complaining about someone asking for some verification of potentially big news?
 
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