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Gray to visit HOU- Rosenfels Trade Possible? (1 Viewer)

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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/5635020.html

Gray is too expensive to be a #2 QB- so why bring him in?

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/...sit-texans.aspx

This article has a typo- states that MIN was willing to give up a 3rd rounder, but HOU wanted a third-rounder... makes no sense, so I assume HOU wanted a 2nd rounder.

Perhaps HOU will be looking to lower their price heading closer to the draft. Why not get something for someone you may get nothing for, and could sign someone for cheaper to hold the clipboard.

To the Vikings would be excellent. A great move by MIN. I would hate to see it, as QB is the one glaring weakness MIN has this season. If they can address it, it'll be close between GB and MIN for the division title

 
Houston is short on picks with no 2nd this year and still has a lot of holes to fill. For now I think they are playing it safe looking at grabbing a #3 QB for the roster (IIRC, TE Owen Daniels was listed as the backup QB at one point last year.) It'd be beneficial to have a good backup like Gray if they decide to trade Sage as well, but Sage is locked up for cheap for the next two years so there's no rush to trade him away.

If I was them I wouldn't be even interested in trading Sage for just a 3rd unless they already had a capable #3 to step up to replace him.

 
March 19th, 2008 – 8:43 PM by Kevin Seifert

Minneapolis Star and Tribune

Free agent QB Quinn Gray is scheduled to visit Houston this weekend, according to profootballtalk.com. This wouldn’t matter much to Vikings fans, except that the Texans already seem to have their top two quarterback positions filled by Matt Schaub and Sage Rosenfels.

So why would the Texans be messing with Gray, and why would Gray be messing with the Texans? Perhaps, as profootballtalk suggests, the Texans are looking into Gray as a replacement for Rosenfels if and when they trade him to the Vikings.

As we know, the Vikings offered Houston a third-round pick last month for Rosenfels. The Texans reportedly were seeking a second-round pick, but there was always the possibility that talks could continue throughout the spring.

We’re not saying, we’re just saying.

 
I think a second for Sage is too high, but HOU not having a 2nd is why it makes sense. I think a third round pick for Sage is too low too. I wouldn't be surprised if a trade happened on draft day. As much as MIN fans want to put their faith in Jackson, you've got to be realistic... if he doesn't play better who do they have to put in? Bollinger? Sage would be a good #2 QB over there with the idea he'll start when Jackson can't play well the first 3 games.

If they could get a 2nd for Sage then that'd be excellent... a third is good value, not neccessarily a great deal for either team, but since he is signed for cheap it makes no sense to trade him for a third

 
I think a second for Sage is too high, but HOU not having a 2nd is why it makes sense. I think a third round pick for Sage is too low too. I wouldn't be surprised if a trade happened on draft day. As much as MIN fans want to put their faith in Jackson, you've got to be realistic... if he doesn't play better who do they have to put in? Bollinger? Sage would be a good #2 QB over there with the idea he'll start when Jackson can't play well the first 3 games.

If they could get a 2nd for Sage then that'd be excellent... a third is good value, not neccessarily a great deal for either team, but since he is signed for cheap it makes no sense to trade him for a third
I think "are forced" would be better words than "want". I don't like sage for a 2nd at all, I'll be shocked if they do that, a third I could live with anyways.
 
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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/5635020.html

Gray is too expensive to be a #2 QB- so why bring him in?

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/...sit-texans.aspx

This article has a typo- states that MIN was willing to give up a 3rd rounder, but HOU wanted a third-rounder... makes no sense, so I assume HOU wanted a 2nd rounder.

Perhaps HOU will be looking to lower their price heading closer to the draft. Why not get something for someone you may get nothing for, and could sign someone for cheaper to hold the clipboard.

To the Vikings would be excellent. A great move by MIN. I would hate to see it, as QB is the one glaring weakness MIN has this season. If they can address it, it'll be close between GB and MIN for the division title
Rosenfels is a waste. The Vikes would be crazy to make this trade.FF speaking unless you play in a 16 team league why even roster this guy?

I can see it now 12 team league someone having Cutler and Rosenfels as there QB's. ;)

 
Ill be pissed if they deal a 3rd rounder for his scrub ###...we could draft a 3rd round QB as good as this guy...he is a career backup at best...get the #### outta here that he is worth a 3rd round pick...

 
Ill be pissed if they deal a 3rd rounder for his scrub ###...we could draft a 3rd round QB as good as this guy...he is a career backup at best...get the #### outta here that he is worth a 3rd round pick...
Seriously VD? Rosenfels looked more than capable last season. I would think a 3rd rounder is a no brainer for this guy.
 
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/5635020.html

Gray is too expensive to be a #2 QB- so why bring him in?

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/...sit-texans.aspx

This article has a typo- states that MIN was willing to give up a 3rd rounder, but HOU wanted a third-rounder... makes no sense, so I assume HOU wanted a 2nd rounder.

Perhaps HOU will be looking to lower their price heading closer to the draft. Why not get something for someone you may get nothing for, and could sign someone for cheaper to hold the clipboard.

To the Vikings would be excellent. A great move by MIN. I would hate to see it, as QB is the one glaring weakness MIN has this season. If they can address it, it'll be close between GB and MIN for the division title
Rosenfels is a waste. The Vikes would be crazy to make this trade.FF speaking unless you play in a 16 team league why even roster this guy?

I can see it now 12 team league someone having Cutler and Rosenfels as there QB's. :goodposting:
Rosenfels is not a waste, most people here knew he was better than Carr and some think he is better than Schaub.He filled in rather nicely last year.

Better than anything Minn has now.

 
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/5635020.html

Gray is too expensive to be a #2 QB- so why bring him in?

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/...sit-texans.aspx

This article has a typo- states that MIN was willing to give up a 3rd rounder, but HOU wanted a third-rounder... makes no sense, so I assume HOU wanted a 2nd rounder.

Perhaps HOU will be looking to lower their price heading closer to the draft. Why not get something for someone you may get nothing for, and could sign someone for cheaper to hold the clipboard.

To the Vikings would be excellent. A great move by MIN. I would hate to see it, as QB is the one glaring weakness MIN has this season. If they can address it, it'll be close between GB and MIN for the division title
But he has not proven he is a starter.
 
Ill be pissed if they deal a 3rd rounder for his scrub ###...we could draft a 3rd round QB as good as this guy...he is a career backup at best...get the #### outta here that he is worth a 3rd round pick...
Seriously VD? Rosenfels looked more than capable last season. I would think a 3rd rounder is a no brainer for this guy.
He is a career backup who had a few good games...not worth a 3rd rounder IMO...we have an extra 3rd rounder this year, that doesnt mean we should give it away for someone who had a few nice games...
 
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/5635020.html

Gray is too expensive to be a #2 QB- so why bring him in?

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/...sit-texans.aspx

This article has a typo- states that MIN was willing to give up a 3rd rounder, but HOU wanted a third-rounder... makes no sense, so I assume HOU wanted a 2nd rounder.

Perhaps HOU will be looking to lower their price heading closer to the draft. Why not get something for someone you may get nothing for, and could sign someone for cheaper to hold the clipboard.

To the Vikings would be excellent. A great move by MIN. I would hate to see it, as QB is the one glaring weakness MIN has this season. If they can address it, it'll be close between GB and MIN for the division title
Rosenfels is a waste. The Vikes would be crazy to make this trade.FF speaking unless you play in a 16 team league why even roster this guy?

I can see it now 12 team league someone having Cutler and Rosenfels as there QB's. :goodposting:
Rosenfels is not a waste, most people here knew he was better than Carr and some think he is better than Schaub.He filled in rather nicely last year.

Better than anything Minn has now.
Exactly, he couldnt beat out David Carr, what does that tell you...
 
Rosenfels is a waste. The Vikes would be crazy to make this trade.

FF speaking unless you play in a 16 team league why even roster this guy?

I can see it now 12 team league someone having Cutler and Rosenfels as there QB's. :goodposting:
His record speaks for itself. :goodposting:
Between 2005-2007, Rosenfels was the catalyst behind three furious comebacks of nineteen points or more. In 2005, Rosenfels led the Miami Dolphins to a 24-23 victory over the Buffalo Bills after trailing 23-3 when Rosenfels entered the game. In 2006, the Houston Texans trailed the Tennessee Titans 21-3 before he threw three second-half touchdown passes to cut the lead to 28-22 as time ended the comeback. In 2007, the Houston Texans trailed the Tennessee Titans 32-7 entering the fourth quarter. Rosenfels tied an NFL record by throwing four 4th-quarter touchdown passes to give the Texans a 36-35 lead before Rob Bironas kicked his NFL-record 8th field goal to give the Titans a 38-36 win. Rosenfels finished the 2007 season at 4-1 as a starter, in comparison to Schaub's 4-7 on the season.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sage_Rosenfels
 
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/5635020.html

Gray is too expensive to be a #2 QB- so why bring him in?

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/...sit-texans.aspx

This article has a typo- states that MIN was willing to give up a 3rd rounder, but HOU wanted a third-rounder... makes no sense, so I assume HOU wanted a 2nd rounder.

Perhaps HOU will be looking to lower their price heading closer to the draft. Why not get something for someone you may get nothing for, and could sign someone for cheaper to hold the clipboard.

To the Vikings would be excellent. A great move by MIN. I would hate to see it, as QB is the one glaring weakness MIN has this season. If they can address it, it'll be close between GB and MIN for the division title
Rosenfels is a waste. The Vikes would be crazy to make this trade.FF speaking unless you play in a 16 team league why even roster this guy?

I can see it now 12 team league someone having Cutler and Rosenfels as there QB's. :thumbup:
Rosenfels is not a waste, most people here knew he was better than Carr and some think he is better than Schaub.He filled in rather nicely last year.

Better than anything Minn has now.
Exactly, he couldnt beat out David Carr, what does that tell you...
He couldn't be out Carr because Carr was making a ton of money.
 
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/5635020.html

Gray is too expensive to be a #2 QB- so why bring him in?

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/...sit-texans.aspx

This article has a typo- states that MIN was willing to give up a 3rd rounder, but HOU wanted a third-rounder... makes no sense, so I assume HOU wanted a 2nd rounder.

Perhaps HOU will be looking to lower their price heading closer to the draft. Why not get something for someone you may get nothing for, and could sign someone for cheaper to hold the clipboard.

To the Vikings would be excellent. A great move by MIN. I would hate to see it, as QB is the one glaring weakness MIN has this season. If they can address it, it'll be close between GB and MIN for the division title
Rosenfels is a waste. The Vikes would be crazy to make this trade.FF speaking unless you play in a 16 team league why even roster this guy?

I can see it now 12 team league someone having Cutler and Rosenfels as there QB's. :thumbup:
Rosenfels is not a waste, most people here knew he was better than Carr and some think he is better than Schaub.He filled in rather nicely last year.

Better than anything Minn has now.
Exactly, he couldnt beat out David Carr, what does that tell you...
Thanks, wasn't worth my time to answer.Rosenfels has been a backup for a reason.

Again just because some guys have Him on there roster means nothing.

I would drop Rosenfels and pickup a kicker.

 
Rosenfels is a waste. The Vikes would be crazy to make this trade.

FF speaking unless you play in a 16 team league why even roster this guy?

I can see it now 12 team league someone having Cutler and Rosenfels as there QB's. :unsure:
His record speaks for itself. :shrug:
Between 2005-2007, Rosenfels was the catalyst behind three furious comebacks of nineteen points or more. In 2005, Rosenfels led the Miami Dolphins to a 24-23 victory over the Buffalo Bills after trailing 23-3 when Rosenfels entered the game. In 2006, the Houston Texans trailed the Tennessee Titans 21-3 before he threw three second-half touchdown passes to cut the lead to 28-22 as time ended the comeback. In 2007, the Houston Texans trailed the Tennessee Titans 32-7 entering the fourth quarter. Rosenfels tied an NFL record by throwing four 4th-quarter touchdown passes to give the Texans a 36-35 lead before Rob Bironas kicked his NFL-record 8th field goal to give the Titans a 38-36 win. Rosenfels finished the 2007 season at 4-1 as a starter, in comparison to Schaub's 4-7 on the season.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sage_Rosenfels
:rolleyes: Being a fin fan, I was very disappointed they just let him walk prior to last year. He would have started all of last year and would probably be starting this year.
 
Rosenfels is a waste. The Vikes would be crazy to make this trade.

FF speaking unless you play in a 16 team league why even roster this guy?

I can see it now 12 team league someone having Cutler and Rosenfels as there QB's. :coffee:
His record speaks for itself. :lmao:
Between 2005-2007, Rosenfels was the catalyst behind three furious comebacks of nineteen points or more. In 2005, Rosenfels led the Miami Dolphins to a 24-23 victory over the Buffalo Bills after trailing 23-3 when Rosenfels entered the game. In 2006, the Houston Texans trailed the Tennessee Titans 21-3 before he threw three second-half touchdown passes to cut the lead to 28-22 as time ended the comeback. In 2007, the Houston Texans trailed the Tennessee Titans 32-7 entering the fourth quarter. Rosenfels tied an NFL record by throwing four 4th-quarter touchdown passes to give the Texans a 36-35 lead before Rob Bironas kicked his NFL-record 8th field goal to give the Titans a 38-36 win. Rosenfels finished the 2007 season at 4-1 as a starter, in comparison to Schaub's 4-7 on the season.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sage_Rosenfels
:popcorn: Being a fin fan, I was very disappointed they just let him walk prior to last year. He would have started all of last year and would probably be starting this year.
I would have started all 16 games for Miami last year, whats your point?Please don't say Rosenfels is the answer.

 
I guess you don't think Tony Romo deserves to be a starter either.

He was backing up super stars like Bledsoe, Testaverde, Drew Henson etc.

You are your draft position in the NFL until proven otherwise.

 
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Sage certainly isn't an all star but he would do just fine on the Vikings. Easily twice the QB that Tarvaris is, and the Vikings don't need to get a huge upgrade at the position to make the playoffs.

I hope they keep working on the trade.

 
Rosenfels is a waste. The Vikes would be crazy to make this trade.

FF speaking unless you play in a 16 team league why even roster this guy?

I can see it now 12 team league someone having Cutler and Rosenfels as there QB's. :coffee:
His record speaks for itself. :lmao:
Between 2005-2007, Rosenfels was the catalyst behind three furious comebacks of nineteen points or more. In 2005, Rosenfels led the Miami Dolphins to a 24-23 victory over the Buffalo Bills after trailing 23-3 when Rosenfels entered the game. In 2006, the Houston Texans trailed the Tennessee Titans 21-3 before he threw three second-half touchdown passes to cut the lead to 28-22 as time ended the comeback. In 2007, the Houston Texans trailed the Tennessee Titans 32-7 entering the fourth quarter. Rosenfels tied an NFL record by throwing four 4th-quarter touchdown passes to give the Texans a 36-35 lead before Rob Bironas kicked his NFL-record 8th field goal to give the Titans a 38-36 win. Rosenfels finished the 2007 season at 4-1 as a starter, in comparison to Schaub's 4-7 on the season.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sage_Rosenfels
:popcorn: Being a fin fan, I was very disappointed they just let him walk prior to last year. He would have started all of last year and would probably be starting this year.
I would have started all 16 games for Miami last year, whats your point?Please don't say Rosenfels is the answer.
Rosenfels is the answer..You can't think he isn't better than Cleo Lemon/Daunte Culpepper/Trent Green/John Beck?

Jay Fiedler wasn't a bad option and Rosenfels is better than Fiedler. We all can't have Tom Brady as our QB :rolleyes:

 
Rosenfels is a waste. The Vikes would be crazy to make this trade.

FF speaking unless you play in a 16 team league why even roster this guy?

I can see it now 12 team league someone having Cutler and Rosenfels as there QB's. :rolleyes:
His record speaks for itself. :rolleyes:
Between 2005-2007, Rosenfels was the catalyst behind three furious comebacks of nineteen points or more. In 2005, Rosenfels led the Miami Dolphins to a 24-23 victory over the Buffalo Bills after trailing 23-3 when Rosenfels entered the game. In 2006, the Houston Texans trailed the Tennessee Titans 21-3 before he threw three second-half touchdown passes to cut the lead to 28-22 as time ended the comeback. In 2007, the Houston Texans trailed the Tennessee Titans 32-7 entering the fourth quarter. Rosenfels tied an NFL record by throwing four 4th-quarter touchdown passes to give the Texans a 36-35 lead before Rob Bironas kicked his NFL-record 8th field goal to give the Titans a 38-36 win. Rosenfels finished the 2007 season at 4-1 as a starter, in comparison to Schaub's 4-7 on the season.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sage_Rosenfels
:wall: Being a fin fan, I was very disappointed they just let him walk prior to last year. He would have started all of last year and would probably be starting this year.
I would have started all 16 games for Miami last year, whats your point?Please don't say Rosenfels is the answer.
Rosenfels is the answer..You can't think he isn't better than Cleo Lemon/Daunte Culpepper/Trent Green/John Beck?

Jay Fiedler wasn't a bad option and Rosenfels is better than Fiedler. We all can't have Tom Brady as our QB :rolleyes:
You could of had Tom Brady you passed on Him 6 times. :rolleyes:
 
Rosenfels is a waste. The Vikes would be crazy to make this trade.

FF speaking unless you play in a 16 team league why even roster this guy?

I can see it now 12 team league someone having Cutler and Rosenfels as there QB's. ;)
His record speaks for itself. :loco:
Between 2005-2007, Rosenfels was the catalyst behind three furious comebacks of nineteen points or more. In 2005, Rosenfels led the Miami Dolphins to a 24-23 victory over the Buffalo Bills after trailing 23-3 when Rosenfels entered the game. In 2006, the Houston Texans trailed the Tennessee Titans 21-3 before he threw three second-half touchdown passes to cut the lead to 28-22 as time ended the comeback. In 2007, the Houston Texans trailed the Tennessee Titans 32-7 entering the fourth quarter. Rosenfels tied an NFL record by throwing four 4th-quarter touchdown passes to give the Texans a 36-35 lead before Rob Bironas kicked his NFL-record 8th field goal to give the Titans a 38-36 win. Rosenfels finished the 2007 season at 4-1 as a starter, in comparison to Schaub's 4-7 on the season.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sage_Rosenfels
:thumbdown: Being a fin fan, I was very disappointed they just let him walk prior to last year. He would have started all of last year and would probably be starting this year.
I would have started all 16 games for Miami last year, whats your point?Please don't say Rosenfels is the answer.
Rosenfels is the answer..You can't think he isn't better than Cleo Lemon/Daunte Culpepper/Trent Green/John Beck?

Jay Fiedler wasn't a bad option and Rosenfels is better than Fiedler. We all can't have Tom Brady as our QB :rolleyes:
You could of had Tom Brady you passed on Him 6 times. :rolleyes:
I wouldn't say I passed on him but the Fins did pass on him along with the other 30 NFL GM's except NE. :rolleyes:
 
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/5635020.html

Gray is too expensive to be a #2 QB- so why bring him in?

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/...sit-texans.aspx

This article has a typo- states that MIN was willing to give up a 3rd rounder, but HOU wanted a third-rounder... makes no sense, so I assume HOU wanted a 2nd rounder.

Perhaps HOU will be looking to lower their price heading closer to the draft. Why not get something for someone you may get nothing for, and could sign someone for cheaper to hold the clipboard.

To the Vikings would be excellent. A great move by MIN. I would hate to see it, as QB is the one glaring weakness MIN has this season. If they can address it, it'll be close between GB and MIN for the division title
Rosenfels is a waste. The Vikes would be crazy to make this trade.FF speaking unless you play in a 16 team league why even roster this guy?

I can see it now 12 team league someone having Cutler and Rosenfels as there QB's. :thumbup:
Rosenfels is not a waste, most people here knew he was better than Carr and some think he is better than Schaub.He filled in rather nicely last year.

Better than anything Minn has now.
Exactly, he couldnt beat out David Carr, what does that tell you...
Thanks, wasn't worth my time to answer.Rosenfels has been a backup for a reason.

Again just because some guys have Him on there roster means nothing.

I would drop Rosenfels and pickup a kicker.
Next you'll be saying J Stewart will be an NFL FB :lmao:
 
Rosenfels is a waste. The Vikes would be crazy to make this trade.

FF speaking unless you play in a 16 team league why even roster this guy?

I can see it now 12 team league someone having Cutler and Rosenfels as there QB's. :popcorn:
His record speaks for itself. :shrug:
Between 2005-2007, Rosenfels was the catalyst behind three furious comebacks of nineteen points or more. In 2005, Rosenfels led the Miami Dolphins to a 24-23 victory over the Buffalo Bills after trailing 23-3 when Rosenfels entered the game. In 2006, the Houston Texans trailed the Tennessee Titans 21-3 before he threw three second-half touchdown passes to cut the lead to 28-22 as time ended the comeback. In 2007, the Houston Texans trailed the Tennessee Titans 32-7 entering the fourth quarter. Rosenfels tied an NFL record by throwing four 4th-quarter touchdown passes to give the Texans a 36-35 lead before Rob Bironas kicked his NFL-record 8th field goal to give the Titans a 38-36 win. Rosenfels finished the 2007 season at 4-1 as a starter, in comparison to Schaub's 4-7 on the season.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sage_Rosenfels
:confused: Being a fin fan, I was very disappointed they just let him walk prior to last year. He would have started all of last year and would probably be starting this year.
I would have started all 16 games for Miami last year, whats your point?Please don't say Rosenfels is the answer.
Rosenfels is the answer..You can't think he isn't better than Cleo Lemon/Daunte Culpepper/Trent Green/John Beck?

Jay Fiedler wasn't a bad option and Rosenfels is better than Fiedler. We all can't have Tom Brady as our QB :rolleyes:
You could of had Tom Brady you passed on Him 6 times. :rolleyes:
I wouldn't say I passed on him but the Fins did pass on him along with the other 30 NFL GM's except NE. :rolleyes:
and even they passed on him 5 times. :unsure:
 
I wouldn't mind the Vikings giving up a 3rd round pick for him because their extra 3rd rounder was basically a "freebie" in the first place. They picked up a fourth last year to move down a couple slots in round 2, where they picked up Sidney Rice. They traded their fourth rounder to the Broncos for the Broncos 3rd rounder this year. So the way I see it they are playing with "house money." I like Jackson, but think Rosenfels would be much better than anything they could get in the third this year (at QB anyway).

 
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/5635020.html

Gray is too expensive to be a #2 QB- so why bring him in?

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/...sit-texans.aspx

This article has a typo- states that MIN was willing to give up a 3rd rounder, but HOU wanted a third-rounder... makes no sense, so I assume HOU wanted a 2nd rounder.

Perhaps HOU will be looking to lower their price heading closer to the draft. Why not get something for someone you may get nothing for, and could sign someone for cheaper to hold the clipboard.

To the Vikings would be excellent. A great move by MIN. I would hate to see it, as QB is the one glaring weakness MIN has this season. If they can address it, it'll be close between GB and MIN for the division title
Rosenfels is a waste. The Vikes would be crazy to make this trade.FF speaking unless you play in a 16 team league why even roster this guy?

I can see it now 12 team league someone having Cutler and Rosenfels as there QB's. :rolleyes:
Rosenfels is not a waste, most people here knew he was better than Carr and some think he is better than Schaub.He filled in rather nicely last year.

Better than anything Minn has now.
Exactly, he couldnt beat out David Carr, what does that tell you...
IMO Rosenfels never got the chance. History may have been much different if Rosenfels wasn't injured trying to make a tackle (he was the holder) on a missed FG attempt (can't remember the opponent) midway through the season. Carr was obviously going to be the starter when Kubiak took over. He was benched after a terrible performance against Tennessee, and Rosenfels nearly completed a miraculous comeback (Rosenfels almost did it again against Tennessee last season as well). Kubiak seemed (IMO) to completely lose faith in Carr several weeks later, but Rosenfels had just gotten injured. The only other QB left was Quinton Porter. We barely threw the ball the last two weeks of the season against Indy and Cleveland. I firmly believe Rosenfels would have been the starting QB here for the last month of the 2006 season if not for that freak play. Whether or not Rosenfels is worthy of a 2nd round pick is certainly debatable, but he's better Tarvaris Jackson...
 
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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/5635020.html

Gray is too expensive to be a #2 QB- so why bring him in?

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/...sit-texans.aspx

This article has a typo- states that MIN was willing to give up a 3rd rounder, but HOU wanted a third-rounder... makes no sense, so I assume HOU wanted a 2nd rounder.

Perhaps HOU will be looking to lower their price heading closer to the draft. Why not get something for someone you may get nothing for, and could sign someone for cheaper to hold the clipboard.

To the Vikings would be excellent. A great move by MIN. I would hate to see it, as QB is the one glaring weakness MIN has this season. If they can address it, it'll be close between GB and MIN for the division title
Rosenfels is a waste. The Vikes would be crazy to make this trade.FF speaking unless you play in a 16 team league why even roster this guy?

I can see it now 12 team league someone having Cutler and Rosenfels as there QB's. :hifive:
Rosenfels is not a waste, most people here knew he was better than Carr and some think he is better than Schaub.He filled in rather nicely last year.

Better than anything Minn has now.
Exactly, he couldnt beat out David Carr, what does that tell you...
Actually he probably would have replaced Carr as the starter had he not broken his hand making a ST tackle against NYJ in week 12. Last season when Schaub was down Sage filled in admirably for him. He won some games, mades some passes, and led a phenomenal and historic comeback against Tennessee. With that being said, I think the majority of his success is due to Kubiak's system and not natural talent or ability on Sage's part. He is veteran, he is savvy, and he is a wonderful back up, but he makes entirely too many risky/stupid throws to be counted on as a starter.I think he is replaceable but it would take more than a third to give him up. Give me Minnesota's second or both of their thirds and you have a deal. Otherwise I will keep him in case Schaub's injury problem was more than an aberation.

 
Sage would be a definite upgrade at the QB position for the Vikes. I view him as one of the Top 25 QB's in football currently. :hifive:

Very heady QB and you don't need to dummy down the play book like with Tavaris.

 
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/5635020.html

Gray is too expensive to be a #2 QB- so why bring him in?

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/...sit-texans.aspx

This article has a typo- states that MIN was willing to give up a 3rd rounder, but HOU wanted a third-rounder... makes no sense, so I assume HOU wanted a 2nd rounder.

Perhaps HOU will be looking to lower their price heading closer to the draft. Why not get something for someone you may get nothing for, and could sign someone for cheaper to hold the clipboard.

To the Vikings would be excellent. A great move by MIN. I would hate to see it, as QB is the one glaring weakness MIN has this season. If they can address it, it'll be close between GB and MIN for the division title
Rosenfels is a waste. The Vikes would be crazy to make this trade.FF speaking unless you play in a 16 team league why even roster this guy?

I can see it now 12 team league someone having Cutler and Rosenfels as there QB's. :hifive:
Rosenfels is not a waste, most people here knew he was better than Carr and some think he is better than Schaub.He filled in rather nicely last year.

Better than anything Minn has now.
Exactly, he couldnt beat out David Carr, what does that tell you...
Actually he probably would have replaced Carr as the starter had he not broken his hand making a ST tackle against NYJ in week 12. Last season when Schaub was down Sage filled in admirably for him. He won some games, mades some passes, and led a phenomenal and historic comeback against Tennessee. With that being said, I think the majority of his success is due to Kubiak's system and not natural talent or ability on Sage's part. He is veteran, he is savvy, and he is a wonderful back up, but he makes entirely too many risky/stupid throws to be counted on as a starter.I think he is replaceable but it would take more than a third to give him up. Give me Minnesota's second or both of their thirds and you have a deal. Otherwise I will keep him in case Schaub's injury problem was more than an aberation.
You give us Mario Williams, Rosenfels and your 3rd rounder and I will give you Bryant Mckinnie. Vikings might have something to say about it but it works for me.

 
If MIN is looking for a backup to Tarvaris, why not just sign Gray and save the draft pick? I'm not saying Gray is any great shakes but the difference between him and Sage is small.

 
Bless Houston's heart for trying for a 2nd round pick :lmao:

Yeah, some team comes to me and offers a 3rd. Sure, I'm going to say more just to see if they're desperate since they came to me. But after a while, HOU needs to realize that a 3rd is very generous for a backup QB. We've seen proven talent like Marshall Faulk traded for as little as a 3rd. Will probably be a draft day trade if it happens. Schaub's shoulder might be preventing this trade.

As a Vikes fan, I would welcome a trade for Sage for a 3rd. No way would I give a 2nd, I'd laugh at that proposal. He filled in admirably for Schaub, maybe he's just a late bloomer. He flashed some potential, a WCO could be good for him. We need an extra QB case Tarvaris still can't beat the single safety. We don't want Tarvaris looking over his shoulder too much, I doubt that would be beneficial in his development. I think Sage fits the bill

 
Tecmo said:
Bless Houston's heart for trying for a 2nd round pick :banned: Yeah, some team comes to me and offers a 3rd. Sure, I'm going to say more just to see if they're desperate since they came to me. But after a while, HOU needs to realize that a 3rd is very generous for a backup QB. We've seen proven talent like Marshall Faulk traded for as little as a 3rd. Will probably be a draft day trade if it happens. Schaub's shoulder might be preventing this trade. As a Vikes fan, I would welcome a trade for Sage for a 3rd. No way would I give a 2nd, I'd laugh at that proposal. He filled in admirably for Schaub, maybe he's just a late bloomer. He flashed some potential, a WCO could be good for him. We need an extra QB case Tarvaris still can't beat the single safety. We don't want Tarvaris looking over his shoulder too much, I doubt that would be beneficial in his development. I think Sage fits the bill
Very :loco: I agree, if the Texans want to make the deal for a third round pick ok. But anything more no deal. I know a lot of people are down on Tavaris, but as a MN homer, I willing to give him another chance, with AP, Chester, BB & Rice, Tavaris only has to be an average QB, the Defense should keep most games close.
 
Tecmo said:
Bless Houston's heart for trying for a 2nd round pick :thumbup: Yeah, some team comes to me and offers a 3rd. Sure, I'm going to say more just to see if they're desperate since they came to me. But after a while, HOU needs to realize that a 3rd is very generous for a backup QB. We've seen proven talent like Marshall Faulk traded for as little as a 3rd. Will probably be a draft day trade if it happens. Schaub's shoulder might be preventing this trade. As a Vikes fan, I would welcome a trade for Sage for a 3rd. No way would I give a 2nd, I'd laugh at that proposal. He filled in admirably for Schaub, maybe he's just a late bloomer. He flashed some potential, a WCO could be good for him. We need an extra QB case Tarvaris still can't beat the single safety. We don't want Tarvaris looking over his shoulder too much, I doubt that would be beneficial in his development. I think Sage fits the bill
Sage would be your starter by week 6 if not sooner.Personally I think Sage = or > Schaub > Jackson > Carr.Texans never should have extended Carr and should have made Sage their starter 2 years ago. They would not have had to make the trade for Schaub and their whole draft last year and this year would have been different.Also think Sage > Redman > Harrington and would have been the starter in Atl last year and this year and he would have been a top 15-20 QB.
 
Tecmo said:
Bless Houston's heart for trying for a 2nd round pick ;) Yeah, some team comes to me and offers a 3rd. Sure, I'm going to say more just to see if they're desperate since they came to me. But after a while, HOU needs to realize that a 3rd is very generous for a backup QB. We've seen proven talent like Marshall Faulk traded for as little as a 3rd. Will probably be a draft day trade if it happens. Schaub's shoulder might be preventing this trade. As a Vikes fan, I would welcome a trade for Sage for a 3rd. No way would I give a 2nd, I'd laugh at that proposal. He filled in admirably for Schaub, maybe he's just a late bloomer. He flashed some potential, a WCO could be good for him. We need an extra QB case Tarvaris still can't beat the single safety. We don't want Tarvaris looking over his shoulder too much, I doubt that would be beneficial in his development. I think Sage fits the bill
Very :wub: I agree, if the Texans want to make the deal for a third round pick ok. But anything more no deal. I know a lot of people are down on Tavaris, but as a MN homer, I willing to give him another chance, with AP, Chester, BB & Rice, Tavaris only has to be an average QB, the Defense should keep most games close.
I believe that the Texans understand that a 3rd for Sage is probably a fair deal, but just happens with our fantasy teams, we have players in situation where just getting a fair deal is not enough for us to move the players. IMO, that's where the Texans are. While Schaub played well overall, the fact that the did miss several gaves last year in first year as a starter adds to the value that Sage has to the team. Now the debate for us, is Gray plus a third more valuable than Sage. Without Gray, I would not move Sage for less than a 2nd, but with another legitmate back-up in place, the answer probably changes.
 
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Tecmo said:
Bless Houston's heart for trying for a 2nd round pick :wub:

Yeah, some team comes to me and offers a 3rd. Sure, I'm going to say more just to see if they're desperate since they came to me. But after a while, HOU needs to realize that a 3rd is very generous for a backup QB. We've seen proven talent like Marshall Faulk traded for as little as a 3rd. Will probably be a draft day trade if it happens. Schaub's shoulder might be preventing this trade.

As a Vikes fan, I would welcome a trade for Sage for a 3rd. No way would I give a 2nd, I'd laugh at that proposal. He filled in admirably for Schaub, maybe he's just a late bloomer. He flashed some potential, a WCO could be good for him. We need an extra QB case Tarvaris still can't beat the single safety. We don't want Tarvaris looking over his shoulder too much, I doubt that would be beneficial in his development. I think Sage fits the bill
Sage would be your starter by week 6 if not sooner.Personally I think Sage = or > Schaub > Jackson > Carr.

Texans never should have extended Carr and should have made Sage their starter 2 years ago. They would not have had to make the trade for Schaub and their whole draft last year and this year would have been different.

Also think Sage > Redman > Harrington and would have been the starter in Atl last year and this year and he would have been a top 15-20 QB.
I am sort of with you on this. I am on the record for saying that Carr never deserved an extension. Part of the reason was my thinking it would hurt their chances of trading down if another team coveted a QB. I also know that if the Texans went into that draft without Carr, many fans would have rioted if the Texans didn't take Vince Young at #1. I don't think that they would have been prepared to have a seven round pick that was released from the Dolphins as their #1 QB.

 
Tecmo said:
Bless Houston's heart for trying for a 2nd round pick :lmao: Yeah, some team comes to me and offers a 3rd. Sure, I'm going to say more just to see if they're desperate since they came to me. But after a while, HOU needs to realize that a 3rd is very generous for a backup QB. We've seen proven talent like Marshall Faulk traded for as little as a 3rd. Will probably be a draft day trade if it happens. Schaub's shoulder might be preventing this trade. As a Vikes fan, I would welcome a trade for Sage for a 3rd. No way would I give a 2nd, I'd laugh at that proposal. He filled in admirably for Schaub, maybe he's just a late bloomer. He flashed some potential, a WCO could be good for him. We need an extra QB case Tarvaris still can't beat the single safety. We don't want Tarvaris looking over his shoulder too much, I doubt that would be beneficial in his development. I think Sage fits the bill
Very :goodposting: I agree, if the Texans want to make the deal for a third round pick ok. But anything more no deal. I know a lot of people are down on Tavaris, but as a MN homer, I willing to give him another chance, with AP, Chester, BB & Rice, Tavaris only has to be an average QB, the Defense should keep most games close.
I believe that the Texans understand that a 3rd for Sage is probably a fair deal, but just happens with our fantasy teams, we have players in situation where just getting a fair deal is not enough for us to move the players. IMO, that's where the Texans are. While Schaub played well overall, the fact that the did miss several gaves last year in first year as a starter adds to the value that Sage has to the team. Now the debate for us, is Gray plus a third more valuable than Sage. Without Gray, I would not move Sage for less than a 2nd, but with another legitmate back-up in place, the answer probably changes.
:coffee: Sage is a Back up nothing more nothing less. If he is more than that it would be a plugger till you get to your next qb. For those who think that Sage won those games for Houston he didn't any QB we had in there at the time would have won. Our Defense and ST were playing out of their minds. Sage is a decent QB but he makes about 4 to 5 bonehead throws a game. Lots of people talk about his game against Tenn were he threw 4tds and almost brought us back but most dont know that he threw 3 ints before that that made the heroics needed. For the record I dont dislike Sage thought he was a good signing at the time but he's nothing special and if we can get something for him please do as he would be very replacable.
 
Tecmo said:
Bless Houston's heart for trying for a 2nd round pick :coffee: Yeah, some team comes to me and offers a 3rd. Sure, I'm going to say more just to see if they're desperate since they came to me. But after a while, HOU needs to realize that a 3rd is very generous for a backup QB. We've seen proven talent like Marshall Faulk traded for as little as a 3rd. Will probably be a draft day trade if it happens. Schaub's shoulder might be preventing this trade. As a Vikes fan, I would welcome a trade for Sage for a 3rd. No way would I give a 2nd, I'd laugh at that proposal. He filled in admirably for Schaub, maybe he's just a late bloomer. He flashed some potential, a WCO could be good for him. We need an extra QB case Tarvaris still can't beat the single safety. We don't want Tarvaris looking over his shoulder too much, I doubt that would be beneficial in his development. I think Sage fits the bill
Very :no: I agree, if the Texans want to make the deal for a third round pick ok. But anything more no deal. I know a lot of people are down on Tavaris, but as a MN homer, I willing to give him another chance, with AP, Chester, BB & Rice, Tavaris only has to be an average QB, the Defense should keep most games close.
I believe that the Texans understand that a 3rd for Sage is probably a fair deal, but just happens with our fantasy teams, we have players in situation where just getting a fair deal is not enough for us to move the players. IMO, that's where the Texans are. While Schaub played well overall, the fact that the did miss several gaves last year in first year as a starter adds to the value that Sage has to the team. Now the debate for us, is Gray plus a third more valuable than Sage. Without Gray, I would not move Sage for less than a 2nd, but with another legitmate back-up in place, the answer probably changes.
A 3rd is very generous for a backup QB. Deangelo Hall is an All-Pro CB and he was traded for a 2nd. The Saints gave up a 3rd for Aaron Brooks and he was viewed as the new starter. Sage is just insurance in Minnesota, Tarvaris is still the guy. Sometimes teams will pay if they're desperate, problem is he's just a backup with upside from the Vikes perspective
 
Tecmo said:
Bless Houston's heart for trying for a 2nd round pick :lmao: Yeah, some team comes to me and offers a 3rd. Sure, I'm going to say more just to see if they're desperate since they came to me. But after a while, HOU needs to realize that a 3rd is very generous for a backup QB. We've seen proven talent like Marshall Faulk traded for as little as a 3rd. Will probably be a draft day trade if it happens. Schaub's shoulder might be preventing this trade. As a Vikes fan, I would welcome a trade for Sage for a 3rd. No way would I give a 2nd, I'd laugh at that proposal. He filled in admirably for Schaub, maybe he's just a late bloomer. He flashed some potential, a WCO could be good for him. We need an extra QB case Tarvaris still can't beat the single safety. We don't want Tarvaris looking over his shoulder too much, I doubt that would be beneficial in his development. I think Sage fits the bill
Very :mellow: I agree, if the Texans want to make the deal for a third round pick ok. But anything more no deal. I know a lot of people are down on Tavaris, but as a MN homer, I willing to give him another chance, with AP, Chester, BB & Rice, Tavaris only has to be an average QB, the Defense should keep most games close.
I believe that the Texans understand that a 3rd for Sage is probably a fair deal, but just happens with our fantasy teams, we have players in situation where just getting a fair deal is not enough for us to move the players. IMO, that's where the Texans are. While Schaub played well overall, the fact that the did miss several gaves last year in first year as a starter adds to the value that Sage has to the team. Now the debate for us, is Gray plus a third more valuable than Sage. Without Gray, I would not move Sage for less than a 2nd, but with another legitmate back-up in place, the answer probably changes.
A 3rd is very generous for a backup QB. Deangelo Hall is an All-Pro CB and he was traded for a 2nd. The Saints gave up a 3rd for Aaron Brooks and he was viewed as the new starter. Sage is just insurance in Minnesota, Tarvaris is still the guy. Sometimes teams will pay if they're desperate, problem is he's just a backup with upside from the Vikes perspective
And all of those situation are different. Brooks came from Green Bay where he has behind the healthiest starter in history and the back-up quite frankly did not matter until the last couple of years in anticiaption of Favre's retirement. Hall's attitude and contract lowered his value. until the Texans can trust that Schuab is 16 team game player, they can't go Pats or Colts and have a 7th rounder or UDFA as the top back-up., so Sage's value to Houston is probably greater than his pure market value meaning they won't move him unless they are essentailly overpaid .
 
And all of those situation are different. Brooks came from Green Bay where he has behind the healthiest starter in history and the back-up quite frankly did not matter until the last couple of years in anticiaption of Favre's retirement. Hall's attitude and contract lowered his value. until the Texans can trust that Schuab is 16 team game player, they can't go Pats or Colts and have a 7th rounder or UDFA as the top back-up., so Sage's value to Houston is probably greater than his pure market value meaning they won't move him unless they are essentailly overpaid .
Yeah, Schaub's shoulder is probably preventing this trade. Houston got good production out of him in relief and he's cheap, so they're in no rush to get rid of him. But a 3rd is overypaying for a backup QB. Maybe he's a late bloomer like Gannon, sure, but he is 30 and he has been in the league for 6 yrs as a backup.
 
Texans | Gray set to sign with team

Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:30:54 -0700

John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports free-agent QB Quinn Gray (Jaguars) said he is set to sign a one-year contract with the Houston Texans. The team is giving him a one-year deal worth $635,000, including $40,000 to sign.

 
Texans | Gray set to sign with teamSun, 23 Mar 2008 13:30:54 -0700John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports free-agent QB Quinn Gray (Jaguars) said he is set to sign a one-year contract with the Houston Texans. The team is giving him a one-year deal worth $635,000, including $40,000 to sign.
At that price, the texans can afford to keep 3 QBs, so we will se if they think enough of Gray to make a move with Sage.
 
Ill be pissed if they deal a 3rd rounder for his scrub ###...we could draft a 3rd round QB as good as this guy...he is a career backup at best...get the #### outta here that he is worth a 3rd round pick...
Seriously VD? Rosenfels looked more than capable last season. I would think a 3rd rounder is a no brainer for this guy.
He is a career backup who had a few good games...not worth a 3rd rounder IMO...we have an extra 3rd rounder this year, that doesnt mean we should give it away for someone who had a few nice games...
Same was said about Schaub and Hasselbeck.
 
Texans | Gray set to sign with teamSun, 23 Mar 2008 13:30:54 -0700John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports free-agent QB Quinn Gray (Jaguars) said he is set to sign a one-year contract with the Houston Texans. The team is giving him a one-year deal worth $635,000, including $40,000 to sign.
At that price, the texans can afford to keep 3 QBs, so we will se if they think enough of Gray to make a move with Sage.
Yes they can afford to keep three QB's, but it has to be tempting to trade Sage for a third round pick to continue to improve the team.
 
Texans | Gray set to sign with teamSun, 23 Mar 2008 13:30:54 -0700John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports free-agent QB Quinn Gray (Jaguars) said he is set to sign a one-year contract with the Houston Texans. The team is giving him a one-year deal worth $635,000, including $40,000 to sign.
Im surprised that is all he got.I figured GB's offer to him was more than that...interesting that they can probably keep all 3 now.
 
Texans | Gray set to sign with teamSun, 23 Mar 2008 13:30:54 -0700John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports free-agent QB Quinn Gray (Jaguars) said he is set to sign a one-year contract with the Houston Texans. The team is giving him a one-year deal worth $635,000, including $40,000 to sign.
Im surprised that is all he got.I figured GB's offer to him was more than that...interesting that they can probably keep all 3 now.
:ptts: Not that I see Gray as being anything special, but he is definitely worth more than that!
 

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