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Thanks for correcting me on when McNabb will be a FA.
McNabb will only be a FA if the Eagles opt to not exercise their option.He's currently signed as:2008: $6.3M2009: $9.2M (club option)2010: $10M 2011: $12.07M2012: $14.14M2013: $16.21M2014: FATechnically every year is a "club option" year, since they can cut a player at any time. The difference here is that there is no penalty to cutting him before 2009 since his signing bonus was prorated until 2008. So the Eagles can keep McNabb until 2013 and there's no dead $$ against the cap for 2009 and beyond should they cut him.
Where do you get all your contract info Jeff? (Chester Taylor is a guy who's contract I'm interested in.) Excellent info. Aside from that, what's your personal take on the future of the Philly QB position?
9 mill is a pretty big cap hit in 2009 for a guy who hasn't been able to stay healthy at all. If Mcnabb is injured again in 2008 and Kolb shows promise then I think it makes the probability of Philly insisting on a restructuring or a trade (if he won't restructure) all the more imminent. QB is a vital position for the Eagles, morseo than most any club.
As an Eagles fan, I'll try and remain impartial.Personally I believe that 2008 is a make or break year for Philly. If they get to the SB, McNabb is back. If they are close, he is also likely back.If they aren't in the postseason, it will come down to if they believe Kolb is ready. That's hard to say.I don't think they have a ton of $$$ locked up on Kolb (rookie / vet base contracts, IIRC - all about $500-600K), so it will come down to if / when he's ready. Kind of an Aaron Rodgers kind of situation (2-3 yrs to learn the NFL QB role - old school kind of methods).I think it is about 10-20% Kolb next year, but much higher in 2010. That all depends on how he learns a very complicated offense.Bear in mind that Andy Reid is very tied to McNabb as they both came in to Philly at nearly the same time (AR's first pick in 99).They've been building that offense around him for 10 years.As for the cap $, $10M isn't too much for a franchise QB, is it? Especially in Philly where the QB is the key cog (and Westbrook).Philly is in a good position where they just take the best talent and decide there - not letting contracts decide.
Good point on $10M not being so much for a franchise QB in Philly. Alternatively, $10M might be too much for a QB who plays 8 games in 2008 and has to rehab an injury going into 2009 (or 2010 for that matter).Jeff Pasquino said:
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What difference does it make if the same injury forces him to miss time or if it's a bunch of different injuries that force him to miss time. Either way he's still missing time because of injury
Repetitive type injuries = likely to miss more time in futureWierd non-repetitive type injuries = poor indicator of future injuries or missed timebroken leg and sports hernias are NOT repetitive type injuries.ACL's aren't either, although sometimes guys rushing back too hard too soon have a tendency to cause other injuries (not a factor for McNabb in '08). The guy has missed significant time in 3 different seasons, but none for anything likely to resurface.He may or may not have another significant injury and miss time, but there is NOTHING in his past that would suggest he's any more likely to have that happen then almost any other QB.I'm just saying the "injury prone" label is grossly overused, and usually mis-used.What difference does it make if the same injury forces him to miss time or if it's a bunch of different injuries that force him to miss time. Either way he's still missing time because of injury
You sound like a Priest Holmes ownerRepetitive type injuries = likely to miss more time in futureWierd non-repetitive type injuries = poor indicator of future injuries or missed timebroken leg and sports hernias are NOT repetitive type injuries.ACL's aren't either, although sometimes guys rushing back too hard too soon have a tendency to cause other injuries (not a factor for McNabb in '08). The guy has missed significant time in 3 different seasons, but none for anything likely to resurface.He may or may not have another significant injury and miss time, but there is NOTHING in his past that would suggest he's any more likely to have that happen then almost any other QB.I'm just saying the "injury prone" label is grossly overused, and usually mis-used.
McNabb is the Portis of QBs. Oh well, I hope he continues to carry that "injury-prone" title so I get him on the cheap year after year. Thanks guys!
you hear Kolb has tons of talent? Well after the last 9 seasons I KNOW McNabb has the talent.... Why would you want to start all over?
But why has the done well when McNabb went down (which is false by the by....remember McMahon????) Whenever DMac has gone down, the team has radically changed it's offensive approach. In the super bowl year, Garcia played lights out (and earned himself another starting gig!) and the defense also played very very well.Which of McNabb's injuries is likely to repeat?As an Eagles fan, I feel great with Kolb as a backup. Unlike most Eagles fans lately, I still believe in McNabb to get it done. (Elway anyone?)redman said:
How on earth could he be at this point? The HOF would be a joke if he got in.
He's not.
I don't dispute that the team changes its approach - it should when there's a big change in the skill sets from one QB to another - but I think such circumstances expose the ridiculous way in which Andy Reid continues, after almost a decade to insist upon jamming Donovan's square peg into the round hole that is his offensive scheme. Reid does his worst offensive coaching, by far, with McNabb in the lineup, and his best with backups. That's false? I don't think so.2002- McNabb goes down in week 12, and Feeley starts the next 5 games to finish the season, and goes 4-1 (and the week 17 loss was irrelevant as the Eagles had already tied up homefield advantage through the playoffs); 2005- McMahon takes over the team in week 10 when it was 4-4, but not only has the team lost McNabb, they'd also essentially lost TO due to that ridiculous suspension situation. They would later lose Westbrook for the season midway through the week 13 game. I agree that McMahon didn't outperform McNabb, but going 2-6 under the circumstances actually wasn't bad considering everything. 2006- Garcia takes over in week 11 and starts from week 12 - week 17. He goes 5-1, to help the team finish 10-6 and make the playoffs. In the span of five season two backup QB's have closed out the season with the team playing its best football with them, and in the other example a very mediocre player in McMahon did no worse than I'd have expected McNabb to under the circumstances. I think it speaks for itself.
Got a 2025 sports almanac to share?Is he HOF bound right NOW? No.Could he make the HOF? Most certainly YES. He has pretty good career stats to this point, and conceiveably has 5-6 more good years left in him. Elway wasn't a certain HOFer either until later in his career, AFTER winning a bowl.
Yikes, defensive much?McNabb TODAY is not going to the HOF - which would happen in the FUTURE.Can McNabb run off 5 years of Pro Bowl appearances, 2 MVPs and a Lombardi Trophy or two? Certainly - and I hope so - but my answer was based on his current resume.
I agree. At this point in his career I don't think McNabb is really in the discussion for the HOF. He's a very good QB, but not HOF material at this point.
Most of this info now requires membership to see the data. As for K Kolb being the starter in 2009, I voted 5%. Points to the issue: * McNabb's health and avoiding injury in 2008 * Philly performance in 2008 (post season play) * Learning Curve of KK in 2008 "garbage time" * Andy Reid remaining HC (due to his personal issues) * Blockbuster trade offer for McNabb (Minn, Oak, Mia or TB?? just speculation) I see 2008 as a positive year for Philly and McNabb, but 2009 to be his last. Age will have a big impact on him being a "tutor" QB backup (like Garcia or Warner).
Really? Not even close?Where does he rank for active winning percentage? How about all-time?Tanner9919 said:
Why don't you tell us?Really? Not even close?Where does he rank for active winning percentage? How about all-time?Tanner9919 said:
Where does he rank for ALL TIME TD/INT ratio?
How many championship game appearances? Pro Bowls?
He is not one of the few best QBs of his era. Favre, Manning, and Brady are all obviously better, and there is a big gap from them to McNabb IMO.Sure, he has made 5 Pro Bowls, but it is well known that Pro Bowls are a fairly poor measure of accomplishment. McNabb has never been All Pro, not even once... not even second team...Really? Not even close?Where does he rank for active winning percentage? How about all-time?Tanner9919 said:
Where does he rank for ALL TIME TD/INT ratio?
How many championship game appearances? Pro Bowls?
I would not try to argue that he deserves in the HOF were he to retire today (he wouldn't), but to emphatically say he "isn't even close" would be just as wrong.
Had the Eagles won that super bowl a couple years ago, he'd PROBABLY be considered "likely in" at this point.
I'm curious as to whether you think McNabb will "come back" under his current contract, or whether they're renegotiate/extend him to accomplish that.
McNabb's 2009 cap number isn't bad, at all. He's due $9.2mm and there is no pro rata portion of his signing bonus to work against. The Eagle are only on the hook for another $10mm in 2010, and without the signing bonus issue they could just as easily cut him after 2009 as they could 2008. Wouldn't impact the financial viability of the decision.I would think that if McNabb has a strong season (meaning healthy + at least a playoff win or two), both sides will move quickly to give him a new 3- or 4-year deal.
$9M+ seems like a pretty high cap number to me.
Explain to me this line of thinking. Winning a SB is a team accomplishment so how does anyone use that to judge wether or not an individual player belongs in the HOF? By that reasoning Trent dilfer is more deserving of being in the HOF than Mcnabb
It would be in both side's interest to extend him, I agree. But $9mm is hardly egregious at the current cap level, either.$9M+ seems like a pretty high cap number to me.
Sorry, I can't let this go.After 9 seasons (1983 - 1991), Elway had 4 pro-bowl seasons, two all-pro seasons, one MVP, and three SB appearances, all while playing for an extremely conservative coach who stressed the running game and a stout D. (in 1993, the first year post-Reeves but before the Shanahan era, Elway's #'s exploded as he led the league in attempts, completions, and yards, and was second in TD's. I cite these numbers as evidence of what could have happened with a less conservative coach).
p.s. you're just not looking hard enough 
see the 43%, be the 43%
