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who have you been buying low in dynasty leagues? (1 Viewer)

gman8343

gman8343

What would Lemmy do?
I've been trading for Robert Meachem in dynasty leagues, and getting him relatively cheap. A healthy, in-shape Meachem is far more talented than guys like Patten & Henderson. He will get a chance to start this year, it's up to him, and I love his upside in a prolific offense.

I've also been trying to grab Ahmad Bradshaw, though owners don't appear willing to let him go cheaply. He's only going to get better IMO. Whatever "it" is that makes RBs successful, I think he's got it.

Traded for Chicago's Adrian Peterson in a couple of ppr dynasty leagues. With Benson a big question mark, Peterson could see more playing time. He's not uber talented but plays hard and filled in reasonably well for an injured Benson last year. If Chicago doesn't draft a first day RB I could see him as part of a RBBC. As long as the price is right, I like having him.

Who have you been trying to nab while their value is low?

 
I would be selling high on Ryan Grant, E. Graham, Eli Manning, and Justin Fargas.

I would be buying Kenny Irons, Chris Perry, MJD, DeAngelo Williams, Calvin Johnson, and Vernon Davis.

I know some of them might be expensive, but for the 6 mentioned I feel their actual value far exceeds perceived value. I also like Meachem a lot, as did one of the above posters...

 
gman8343 said:
I've been trading for Robert Meachem in dynasty leagues, and getting him relatively cheap. A healthy, in-shape Meachem is far more talented than guys like Patten & Henderson. He will get a chance to start this year, it's up to him, and I love his upside in a prolific offense.I've also been trying to grab Ahmad Bradshaw, though owners don't appear willing to let him go cheaply. He's only going to get better IMO. Whatever "it" is that makes RBs successful, I think he's got it.Traded for Chicago's Adrian Peterson in a couple of ppr dynasty leagues. With Benson a big question mark, Peterson could see more playing time. He's not uber talented but plays hard and filled in reasonably well for an injured Benson last year. If Chicago doesn't draft a first day RB I could see him as part of a RBBC. As long as the price is right, I like having him.Who have you been trying to nab while their value is low?
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While it isn't as low as those guys I think Maroney is an ideal candidate.
 
Jedimaster21 said:
I would be selling high on Ryan Grant, E. Graham, Eli Manning, and Justin Fargas.

I would be buying Kenny Irons, Chris Perry, MJD, DeAngelo Williams, Calvin Johnson, and Vernon Davis.

I know some of them might be expensive, but for the 6 mentioned I feel their actual value far exceeds perceived value. I also like Meachem a lot, as did one of the above posters...
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I like your list but I'm not sure about the bolded guys.I've been trying to get R.White (most think it was a fluke), A.Rodgers (I still think his value will go up a bunch), and Chad Jackson (can get him as a throw in and if he manages a starting spot in that offense, who knows).

 
saintfool said:
travdogg said:
While it isn't as low as those guys I think Maroney is an ideal candidate.
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Sammy Morris would seem to be a sharkier move. Dude played well - better than Maroney, in fact - in the Pats system before going down to injury.
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I kinda disagree that Morris played better than Maroney(he saw a bigger workload when Maroney was hurt than Maroney got until the playoffs.)Another good buy sorta low is Tony Gonzalez, he seems to retail around TE8-12 but there is no reason at all he won't be top-5 for another 2-3 years.
 
gman8343 said:
I've been trading for Robert Meachem in dynasty leagues, and getting him relatively cheap. A healthy, in-shape Meachem is far more talented than guys like Patten & Henderson. He will get a chance to start this year, it's up to him, and I love his upside in a prolific offense.I've also been trying to grab Ahmad Bradshaw, though owners don't appear willing to let him go cheaply. He's only going to get better IMO. Whatever "it" is that makes RBs successful, I think he's got it.Traded for Chicago's Adrian Peterson in a couple of ppr dynasty leagues. With Benson a big question mark, Peterson could see more playing time. He's not uber talented but plays hard and filled in reasonably well for an injured Benson last year. If Chicago doesn't draft a first day RB I could see him as part of a RBBC. As long as the price is right, I like having him.Who have you been trying to nab while their value is low?
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What have you been giving for Meachem?
 
Vernon Davis. Low. I am doubting it

One of the few offers I have received in my 2 dynasty leagues was Davis and Dwayne Jarrett and all they wanted was Santonio Holmes, Zach Miller and the 25th rookie pick. Of course I dont think I trade Miller and the 2.9 for both of those guys in the end and dont trade Holmes for anything close to that.

 
JM4Steelers said:
gman8343 said:
I've been trading for Robert Meachem in dynasty leagues, and getting him relatively cheap. A healthy, in-shape Meachem is far more talented than guys like Patten & Henderson. He will get a chance to start this year, it's up to him, and I love his upside in a prolific offense.I've also been trying to grab Ahmad Bradshaw, though owners don't appear willing to let him go cheaply. He's only going to get better IMO. Whatever "it" is that makes RBs successful, I think he's got it.Traded for Chicago's Adrian Peterson in a couple of ppr dynasty leagues. With Benson a big question mark, Peterson could see more playing time. He's not uber talented but plays hard and filled in reasonably well for an injured Benson last year. If Chicago doesn't draft a first day RB I could see him as part of a RBBC. As long as the price is right, I like having him.Who have you been trying to nab while their value is low?
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What have you been giving for Meachem?
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Got him in one league as part of a multi-player deal, but it basically broke down to Michael Clayton for Robert Meachem.In another league I traded Dwayne Jarrett and Jeff King for Meachem and Scheffler. This was before Moose and Hackett signed, so it looked like Jarrett could be a starter.
 
buying...R.Grant,J.Delhomme,T.Jones,V.Davis,L.Evans,A.Bradshaw,J.Cotchery,

P.Thomas,D.Stanton,M.Shaub, T.Sheffler

selling...R.Moss,Gates,Chad Johnson,DJ Hackett,M.Turner,G.Jennings,M.Barber,D.Mcnabb,J.Jones

 
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gman8343 said:
JM4Steelers said:
gman8343 said:
I've been trading for Robert Meachem in dynasty leagues, and getting him relatively cheap. A healthy, in-shape Meachem is far more talented than guys like Patten & Henderson. He will get a chance to start this year, it's up to him, and I love his upside in a prolific offense.I've also been trying to grab Ahmad Bradshaw, though owners don't appear willing to let him go cheaply. He's only going to get better IMO. Whatever "it" is that makes RBs successful, I think he's got it.Traded for Chicago's Adrian Peterson in a couple of ppr dynasty leagues. With Benson a big question mark, Peterson could see more playing time. He's not uber talented but plays hard and filled in reasonably well for an injured Benson last year. If Chicago doesn't draft a first day RB I could see him as part of a RBBC. As long as the price is right, I like having him.Who have you been trying to nab while their value is low?
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What have you been giving for Meachem?
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Got him in one league as part of a multi-player deal, but it basically broke down to Michael Clayton for Robert Meachem.In another league I traded Dwayne Jarrett and Jeff King for Meachem and Scheffler. This was before Moose and Hackett signed, so it looked like Jarrett could be a starter.
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Mr. Peterson said:
Jedimaster21 said:
I would be selling high on Ryan Grant, E. Graham, Eli Manning, and Justin Fargas.

I would be buying Kenny Irons, Chris Perry, MJD, DeAngelo Williams, Calvin Johnson, and Vernon Davis.

I know some of them might be expensive, but for the 6 mentioned I feel their actual value far exceeds perceived value. I also like Meachem a lot, as did one of the above posters...
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I like your list but I'm not sure about the bolded guys.I've been trying to get R.White (most think it was a fluke), A.Rodgers (I still think his value will go up a bunch), and Chad Jackson (can get him as a throw in and if he manages a starting spot in that offense, who knows).
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There are huge questions with Perry, but he is a former 1st round pick, has tremendous talent, and can be had for NOTHING. His injuries may have slowed him down for the rest of his career, but he also may recover fully. He is only 26 (same age as Ronnie Brown) and the Bengals RB position is up for grabs. Why not take a chance?
 
I've sold LenDale White in a couple leagues. He has some upside if he can get in shape and keep his job, but I just don't have much faith in him anymore. I traded him for 1.06 in a PPR league and did LenDale/2.11 for Santana/3.10 in another PPR. The latter might look like a weak move, but WRs are more valuable than most RBs in that format.

 
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I've sold LenDale White in a couple leagues. He has some upside if he can stay in shape and keep his job, but I just don't have much faith in him anymore. I traded him for 1.06 in a PPR league and did LenDale/2.11 for Santana/3.10 in another PPR. The latter might look like a weak move, but WRs are more valuable than most RBs in that format.
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I have mixed feelings about Lendale. He could become a very good power runner in that system if the passing game improves. White isn't the type of player that can create plays on his own, so with liitle room to run he will struggle a little...I think that was part of the reason for his low YPC this season. With Vince to take some attention away from him, he could develop into a 1300 yard, 10 score back. However, he also has a questionable work ethic, and I haven't seen the dominance that I expected from him. He really doesn't look that impressive out there, and will never catch the ball more than 25 times in a season (which severely limits his upside). I honestly think the best move is to stick with him for one more season and hope he puts it together. Then you can keep him or trade him for a lot more than you can right now. If he loses the job, you really aren't out of that much value.
 
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EBF said:
I've sold LenDale White in a couple leagues. He has some upside if he can stay in shape and keep his job, but I just don't have much faith in him anymore. I traded him for 1.06 in a PPR league and did LenDale/2.11 for Santana/3.10 in another PPR. The latter might look like a weak move, but WRs are more valuable than most RBs in that format.
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I have mixed feelings about Lendale. He could become a very good power runner in that system if the passing game improves. White isn't the type of player that can create plays on his own, so with liitle room to run he will struggle a little...I think that was part of the reason for his low YPC this season. With Vince to take some attention away from him, he could develop into a 1300 yard, 10 score back. However, he also has a questionable work ethic, and I haven't seen the dominance that I expected from him. He really doesn't look that impressive out there, and will never catch the ball more than 25 times in a season (which severely limits his upside). I honestly think the best move is to stick with him for one more season and hope he puts it together. Then you can keep him or trade him for a lot more than you can right now. If he loses the job, you really aren't out of that much value.
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I thought he'd be a better pro than what he's shown so far. He was slimmer when he was at USC and he looked more explosive back then. I think the fact that he didn't work out at all before the draft should've been a major red flag. The guy is tubby without much pop in his legs. He probably knew that a full workout would expose some of his physical shortcomings, so he skipped out on it. I don't think he's as lazy as he's made out to be, but I'm not convinced he's committed to his profession either. He's certainly capable of improving on his 2007 numbers though. I've heard that he's committed to getting his playing weight down to 235 for next season. I don't think Chris Henry is capable of beating him out for the job. I just worry that he might not be a long-term starter at the NFL level. He didn't impress me much last year and he needs to step up his game in 2008 if he's going to be Tennessee's long-term answer at tailback. They took a look at Julius Jones in free agency and there's no telling what they'll do in the draft.
 
Interested in seeing what people are giving/getting for Bradshaw.

I've found him nearly impossible to deal for in my leagues. Most owners think they have the second coming of Tiki Barber, and are either holding at all costs, or are ridiculous in their asking price. I can somewhat understand though, because if I owned him I certainly wouldn't give him away for pennies.

 
Bought: SF WR's Battle and B Johnson (bought B Johnson before he signed). Not saying they are clear-cut studs or anything, but I essentially paid very little for them, and think their upside is high. If one turns into a viable fantasy WR2 (which isn't a stretch), I did well.

I also think C Chambers is a good pickup if you can get him cheap - he's still probably an afterthought to many owners. But I liked what I saw from him in the playoffs - he has a good shot to be WR1 in SD for a long time. In my mind, his value can only go up.

 
LionsFan78 said:
Interested in seeing what people are giving/getting for Bradshaw.I've found him nearly impossible to deal for in my leagues. Most owners think they have the second coming of Tiki Barber, and are either holding at all costs, or are ridiculous in their asking price. I can somewhat understand though, because if I owned him I certainly wouldn't give him away for pennies.
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You are right - guys like Bradshaw are almost impossible to deal for. He's definitely shown talent - not just talent, but possibly *great* talent. When he runs, the guy just looks the part. So I'm not selling him unless I get a good player in return. But on the other side of that coin, he hasn't really done enough (stat-wise) to justify giving a good player for him. Tough one.
 
the problem i see with vernon davis as a buy low is that owners of him probably spent a mid 1st to get him. most owners won't be so quick to sell him for less than that right now. i know if i could get a mid 1st for him i would make the deal in a second. but if the best i could get is an early 2nd i'll hold on to him for another year.

 
A few I've bought and sold recently. Nothing too earth shattering, some I love, others I'll have wait and see. Not all the same league...

Bought:

K. Jones - 3.02 rookie pick/Buckhalter to the Westy owner. Hoped he would've signed somewhere by now w/ decent value, oh well.

S. Rice - Bryant Johnson/2.12 rookie pick.

Sold:

E. Graham - Sold w/ 1.12 rookie pick for Torry Holt/James Jones. Pre-Favre retirement

F. Taylor - Sold w/ 2.12 for the 2.1. Have no use for him, no way he starts, even in bye weeks.

 
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Interested in seeing what people are giving/getting for Bradshaw.I've found him nearly impossible to deal for in my leagues. Most owners think they have the second coming of Tiki Barber, and are either holding at all costs, or are ridiculous in their asking price. I can somewhat understand though, because if I owned him I certainly wouldn't give him away for pennies.
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Personally, I think Bradshaw's perceived value is MORE than his actual value, so I wouldn't be buying him right now. I think he will always be a better player in a RBBC.
 
Jedimaster21 said:
Mr. Peterson said:
Jedimaster21 said:
I would be selling high on Ryan Grant, E. Graham, Eli Manning, and Justin Fargas.

I would be buying Kenny Irons, Chris Perry, MJD, DeAngelo Williams, Calvin Johnson, and Vernon Davis.

I know some of them might be expensive, but for the 6 mentioned I feel their actual value far exceeds perceived value. I also like Meachem a lot, as did one of the above posters...
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I like your list but I'm not sure about the bolded guys.I've been trying to get R.White (most think it was a fluke), A.Rodgers (I still think his value will go up a bunch), and Chad Jackson (can get him as a throw in and if he manages a starting spot in that offense, who knows).
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There are huge questions with Perry, but he is a former 1st round pick, has tremendous talent, and can be had for NOTHING. His injuries may have slowed him down for the rest of his career, but he also may recover fully. He is only 26 (same age as Ronnie Brown) and the Bengals RB position is up for grabs. Why not take a chance?
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Why not? Because HE'S AWFUL.Mike Williams has a boat load of talent also. He might be starting for Tennessee. SLEEPA!

If you've accomplished nothing in the NFL for 4 years (and been hurt every single year) it's time to move on. He's no longer worth the roster spot. Ever. "Former 1st round picks" carrys as much weight in the NFL as "Former FBG poster of the month".

It's hilarious all the Chris Perry hype we get EVERY freakin year. What are you hanging on to? College? Yeah 5 years ago he had some decent games in college. And?

Akili Smith thinks he's a bust.

 
teamroc said:
Jedimaster21 said:
Mr. Peterson said:
Jedimaster21 said:
I would be selling high on Ryan Grant, E. Graham, Eli Manning, and Justin Fargas.

I would be buying Kenny Irons, Chris Perry, MJD, DeAngelo Williams, Calvin Johnson, and Vernon Davis.

I know some of them might be expensive, but for the 6 mentioned I feel their actual value far exceeds perceived value. I also like Meachem a lot, as did one of the above posters...
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I like your list but I'm not sure about the bolded guys.I've been trying to get R.White (most think it was a fluke), A.Rodgers (I still think his value will go up a bunch), and Chad Jackson (can get him as a throw in and if he manages a starting spot in that offense, who knows).
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There are huge questions with Perry, but he is a former 1st round pick, has tremendous talent, and can be had for NOTHING. His injuries may have slowed him down for the rest of his career, but he also may recover fully. He is only 26 (same age as Ronnie Brown) and the Bengals RB position is up for grabs. Why not take a chance?
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Why not? Because HE'S AWFUL.Mike Williams has a boat load of talent also. He might be starting for Tennessee. SLEEPA!

If you've accomplished nothing in the NFL for 4 years (and been hurt every single year) it's time to move on. He's no longer worth the roster spot. Ever. "Former 1st round picks" carrys as much weight in the NFL as "Former FBG poster of the month".

It's hilarious all the Chris Perry hype we get EVERY freakin year. What are you hanging on to? College? Yeah 5 years ago he had some decent games in college. And?

Akili Smith thinks he's a bust.
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As toolish as that post was, I think he's right. I think Perry's upside outweighs his cost, but when you can get a guy for nothing, 1 yard will be sufficiant to deem that pick up as a success...I'd be very surprised if he burst through with a great season. You want to look at a CIN RB that can break through- take a look at Irons. This guy was looking great coming into the draft. I was hoping GB would grab him. If you can get Perry for a peice of gum, then go for it, but don't expect much...

 
Nothing wrong with Chris Perry at his current price. All that stuff about being an injury-riddled bust also applied to Justin Fargas at this time last year.

There aren't a lot of backup runners in the league who have top 15-20 upside. If Perry can get to 100% then he can be that type of player. It's a major longshot, but that's why his price is dirt cheap.

 
I am very hesitant to do any sort of movement before the draft. The unexpected can and will happen on draft day.

 
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You want to look at a CIN RB that can break through- take a look at Irons. This guy was looking great coming into the draft. I was hoping GB would grab him. If you can get Perry for a peice of gum, then go for it, but don't expect much...
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Irons is much more expensive than Perry in every one of my leagues. He is a guy that was drafted in round 8-12 in new dynasties, and most of those owners are waiting until he is healthy before writing him off (rightfully so).
 
Jedimaster21 said:
LionsFan78 said:
Interested in seeing what people are giving/getting for Bradshaw.I've found him nearly impossible to deal for in my leagues. Most owners think they have the second coming of Tiki Barber, and are either holding at all costs, or are ridiculous in their asking price. I can somewhat understand though, because if I owned him I certainly wouldn't give him away for pennies.
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Personally, I think Bradshaw's perceived value is MORE than his actual value, so I wouldn't be buying him right now. I think he will always be a better player in a RBBC.
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:own3d: Savvy owners won't let him go for cheap, but they also have put a premium on him due to what he showed. I would give a mid-to-late 2nd for him, but not more for a guy who looks like a great COP. If Jacobs goes down again, I would fully expect Ward to be the starter and Bradshaw to remain COP.
 
JPeso said:
Jedimaster21 said:
LionsFan78 said:
Interested in seeing what people are giving/getting for Bradshaw.I've found him nearly impossible to deal for in my leagues. Most owners think they have the second coming of Tiki Barber, and are either holding at all costs, or are ridiculous in their asking price. I can somewhat understand though, because if I owned him I certainly wouldn't give him away for pennies.
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Personally, I think Bradshaw's perceived value is MORE than his actual value, so I wouldn't be buying him right now. I think he will always be a better player in a RBBC.
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:goodposting: Savvy owners won't let him go for cheap, but they also have put a premium on him due to what he showed. I would give a mid-to-late 2nd for him, but not more for a guy who looks like a great COP. If Jacobs goes down again, I would fully expect Ward to be the starter and Bradshaw to remain COP.
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I agree on all counts. Owners have asked me about bradshaw, but as an owner of Jacobs (and ward actually) in a larger roster limit dynasty league, i dont feel a need to move him. If someone came calling for Jacobs with a good trade i would move him and try and keep Bradshaw. Darn i was hoping ward would go someplace with a shot.... oh well. at least one of these guys will be healthy each game.
 
JPeso said:
Jedimaster21 said:
LionsFan78 said:
Interested in seeing what people are giving/getting for Bradshaw.I've found him nearly impossible to deal for in my leagues. Most owners think they have the second coming of Tiki Barber, and are either holding at all costs, or are ridiculous in their asking price. I can somewhat understand though, because if I owned him I certainly wouldn't give him away for pennies.
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Personally, I think Bradshaw's perceived value is MORE than his actual value, so I wouldn't be buying him right now. I think he will always be a better player in a RBBC.
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:sadbanana: Savvy owners won't let him go for cheap, but they also have put a premium on him due to what he showed. I would give a mid-to-late 2nd for him, but not more for a guy who looks like a great COP. If Jacobs goes down again, I would fully expect Ward to be the starter and Bradshaw to remain COP.
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Were we watching the same guy?Leon Washington is a change of pace guy. Bradshaw is a feature back in the making. If Jacobs goes down, Bradshaw will become #1, and will force them to keep him there. He may force it regardless. Jacobs will return to his old role, which he is wonderfully suited for. Ward is insurance, nothing more.Don't mean to add to the hype, but I clearly see a #1 back in Bradshaw. A really good one, too. Time will tell.My .02, anyway.
 
travdogg said:
saintfool said:
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While it isn't as low as those guys I think Maroney is an ideal candidate.
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Sammy Morris would seem to be a sharkier move. Dude played well - better than Maroney, in fact - in the Pats system before going down to injury.
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I kinda disagree that Morris played better than Maroney(he saw a bigger workload when Maroney was hurt than Maroney got until the playoffs.)Another good buy sorta low is Tony Gonzalez, he seems to retail around TE8-12 but there is no reason at all he won't be top-5 for another 2-3 years.
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Morris definitely outplayed Maroney early in the year. Guys like Meachem, Perry, and Irons are cheap for a reason. If you have excess spots I guess anything's possible.I agree that MJD and CJ2 are nice buy-lows right now. I would add Laurent Robinson. Good buys, but probably not low are Sidney Rice, Willie Parker, Greg Jennings, and JaMarcus Russell.
 
jwb said:
JPeso said:
Jedimaster21 said:
LionsFan78 said:
Interested in seeing what people are giving/getting for Bradshaw.I've found him nearly impossible to deal for in my leagues. Most owners think they have the second coming of Tiki Barber, and are either holding at all costs, or are ridiculous in their asking price. I can somewhat understand though, because if I owned him I certainly wouldn't give him away for pennies.
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Personally, I think Bradshaw's perceived value is MORE than his actual value, so I wouldn't be buying him right now. I think he will always be a better player in a RBBC.
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:thumbdown: Savvy owners won't let him go for cheap, but they also have put a premium on him due to what he showed. I would give a mid-to-late 2nd for him, but not more for a guy who looks like a great COP. If Jacobs goes down again, I would fully expect Ward to be the starter and Bradshaw to remain COP.
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Were we watching the same guy?Leon Washington is a change of pace guy. Bradshaw is a feature back in the making. If Jacobs goes down, Bradshaw will become #1, and will force them to keep him there. He may force it regardless. Jacobs will return to his old role, which he is wonderfully suited for. Ward is insurance, nothing more.Don't mean to add to the hype, but I clearly see a #1 back in Bradshaw. A really good one, too. Time will tell.My .02, anyway.
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As a Bradshaw owner who picked him up in the 7th round of a rookie draft, I can understand both of your opinions but cannot decide which I prefer. He does have feature back skill. He is in a situation where he could be stuck playing a lesser role in the committee. His owners probably overvalue him and those intrigued probably aren't willing to part with enough to strike a deal. That's been my experience and there has been plenty of interest.
 
Well, 12 team dyansty league, where you would draft Bradshaw compared to this years RB's? He is a FA and was just curious to what others think of him compared to this years crop.

 
Ketamine Dreams said:
travdogg said:
saintfool said:
travdogg said:
While it isn't as low as those guys I think Maroney is an ideal candidate.
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Sammy Morris would seem to be a sharkier move. Dude played well - better than Maroney, in fact - in the Pats system before going down to injury.
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I kinda disagree that Morris played better than Maroney(he saw a bigger workload when Maroney was hurt than Maroney got until the playoffs.)Another good buy sorta low is Tony Gonzalez, he seems to retail around TE8-12 but there is no reason at all he won't be top-5 for another 2-3 years.
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Morris definitely outplayed Maroney early in the year. Guys like Meachem, Perry, and Irons are cheap for a reason. If you have excess spots I guess anything's possible.

I agree that MJD and CJ2 are nice buy-lows right now. I would add Laurent Robinson. Good buys, but probably not low are Sidney Rice, Willie Parker, Greg Jennings, and JaMarcus Russell.
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You're writing off a first round WR after one season? :rolleyes:
 
mcintyre1 said:
You're writing off a first round WR after one season? :rolleyes:
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You'd be surprised how many are, especially around here. There was a thread saying he was a bust that grew to two pages I believe not too long ago. You can project he's going to be a bust, but to say he is already is just dumb. I still believe, but will be quick to change my mind if August doesn't go well.
 
mcintyre1 said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
travdogg said:
saintfool said:
travdogg said:
While it isn't as low as those guys I think Maroney is an ideal candidate.
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Sammy Morris would seem to be a sharkier move. Dude played well - better than Maroney, in fact - in the Pats system before going down to injury.
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I kinda disagree that Morris played better than Maroney(he saw a bigger workload when Maroney was hurt than Maroney got until the playoffs.)Another good buy sorta low is Tony Gonzalez, he seems to retail around TE8-12 but there is no reason at all he won't be top-5 for another 2-3 years.
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Morris definitely outplayed Maroney early in the year. Guys like Meachem, Perry, and Irons are cheap for a reason. If you have excess spots I guess anything's possible.

I agree that MJD and CJ2 are nice buy-lows right now. I would add Laurent Robinson. Good buys, but probably not low are Sidney Rice, Willie Parker, Greg Jennings, and JaMarcus Russell.
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You're writing off a first round WR after one season? :lmao:
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No. :lmao: But I said he's cheap for a reason, ie he did absolutely NOTHING his rookie year. He could do something and if you can get him cheaply and have the room, add him and see what you get. I dropped him to waivers late last year in my 10 team dynasty due to roster size and it was over a month before someone picked him up. There's certainly a learning curve to WR in the NFL. He's an extra year behind now and I'd be leery of a guy who didn't even see the field last year.

 
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teamroc said:
Jedimaster21 said:
Mr. Peterson said:
Jedimaster21 said:
I would be selling high on Ryan Grant, E. Graham, Eli Manning, and Justin Fargas.

I would be buying Kenny Irons, Chris Perry, MJD, DeAngelo Williams, Calvin Johnson, and Vernon Davis.

I know some of them might be expensive, but for the 6 mentioned I feel their actual value far exceeds perceived value. I also like Meachem a lot, as did one of the above posters...
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I like your list but I'm not sure about the bolded guys.I've been trying to get R.White (most think it was a fluke), A.Rodgers (I still think his value will go up a bunch), and Chad Jackson (can get him as a throw in and if he manages a starting spot in that offense, who knows).
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There are huge questions with Perry, but he is a former 1st round pick, has tremendous talent, and can be had for NOTHING. His injuries may have slowed him down for the rest of his career, but he also may recover fully. He is only 26 (same age as Ronnie Brown) and the Bengals RB position is up for grabs. Why not take a chance?
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Why not? Because HE'S AWFUL.Mike Williams has a boat load of talent also. He might be starting for Tennessee. SLEEPA!

If you've accomplished nothing in the NFL for 4 years (and been hurt every single year) it's time to move on. He's no longer worth the roster spot. Ever. "Former 1st round picks" carrys as much weight in the NFL as "Former FBG poster of the month".

It's hilarious all the Chris Perry hype we get EVERY freakin year. What are you hanging on to? College? Yeah 5 years ago he had some decent games in college. And?

Akili Smith thinks he's a bust.
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This kind of viewpoint will keep you from getting players that have elite talent but have underachieved. Perry is a totally different animal when compared to the other players you mentioned. Did Mike Willams have hernia surgery twice and severely break his ankle? How about Akili Smith? Yeah, those were players that were very talented but limited due to injury. :thumbup:

He can be had for next to nothing and has more potential than many that are a lot more expensive. If you can't see the value there, I don't know what else to tell you.

 
I love threads like this. Two owners can have a completely different opinion on a player, and both opinions can be backed up by some kind of evidence. It is one of the great things about this hobby we call FF.

Anyway, a few more candidates. Willie Parker is a great player to sell high right now. Some have him in their top 10 when it comes to dynasty backs, and he doesn't deserve to be there. I'm sure you can get a young back with more talent and upside for him.

Some other buy lows...Carson Palmer, Roy Williams, Lee Evans, and Mark Clayton.

 
Players I've targeted in the Off-Season and landed are...

RB Caddy (outlook doesnt look promising)

RB L.Maroney

WR L.Coles

WR C.Henry

Other players I've tried getting relatively cheap...

RB A.Bradshaw

WR J.Cotchery

WR P.Crayton

 
teamroc said:
Jedimaster21 said:
Mr. Peterson said:
Jedimaster21 said:
I would be selling high on Ryan Grant, E. Graham, Eli Manning, and Justin Fargas.

I would be buying Kenny Irons, Chris Perry, MJD, DeAngelo Williams, Calvin Johnson, and Vernon Davis.

I know some of them might be expensive, but for the 6 mentioned I feel their actual value far exceeds perceived value. I also like Meachem a lot, as did one of the above posters...
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I like your list but I'm not sure about the bolded guys.I've been trying to get R.White (most think it was a fluke), A.Rodgers (I still think his value will go up a bunch), and Chad Jackson (can get him as a throw in and if he manages a starting spot in that offense, who knows).
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There are huge questions with Perry, but he is a former 1st round pick, has tremendous talent, and can be had for NOTHING. His injuries may have slowed him down for the rest of his career, but he also may recover fully. He is only 26 (same age as Ronnie Brown) and the Bengals RB position is up for grabs. Why not take a chance?
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Why not? Because HE'S AWFUL.Mike Williams has a boat load of talent also. He might be starting for Tennessee. SLEEPA!

If you've accomplished nothing in the NFL for 4 years (and been hurt every single year) it's time to move on. He's no longer worth the roster spot. Ever. "Former 1st round picks" carrys as much weight in the NFL as "Former FBG poster of the month".

It's hilarious all the Chris Perry hype we get EVERY freakin year. What are you hanging on to? College? Yeah 5 years ago he had some decent games in college. And?

Akili Smith thinks he's a bust.



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I thought we had a Maroney=Speed sighting for a second.

 
EBF said:
Jedimaster21 said:
EBF said:
I've sold LenDale White in a couple leagues. He has some upside if he can stay in shape and keep his job, but I just don't have much faith in him anymore. I traded him for 1.06 in a PPR league and did LenDale/2.11 for Santana/3.10 in another PPR. The latter might look like a weak move, but WRs are more valuable than most RBs in that format.
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I have mixed feelings about Lendale. He could become a very good power runner in that system if the passing game improves. White isn't the type of player that can create plays on his own, so with liitle room to run he will struggle a little...I think that was part of the reason for his low YPC this season. With Vince to take some attention away from him, he could develop into a 1300 yard, 10 score back. However, he also has a questionable work ethic, and I haven't seen the dominance that I expected from him. He really doesn't look that impressive out there, and will never catch the ball more than 25 times in a season (which severely limits his upside). I honestly think the best move is to stick with him for one more season and hope he puts it together. Then you can keep him or trade him for a lot more than you can right now. If he loses the job, you really aren't out of that much value.
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I thought he'd be a better pro than what he's shown so far. He was slimmer when he was at USC and he looked more explosive back then. I think the fact that he didn't work out at all before the draft should've been a major red flag. The guy is tubby without much pop in his legs. He probably knew that a full workout would expose some of his physical shortcomings, so he skipped out on it. I don't think he's as lazy as he's made out to be, but I'm not convinced he's committed to his profession either. He's certainly capable of improving on his 2007 numbers though. I've heard that he's committed to getting his playing weight down to 235 for next season. I don't think Chris Henry is capable of beating him out for the job. I just worry that he might not be a long-term starter at the NFL level. He didn't impress me much last year and he needs to step up his game in 2008 if he's going to be Tennessee's long-term answer at tailback. They took a look at Julius Jones in free agency and there's no telling what they'll do in the draft.
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I'll take the risk of Chris Henry for much of these reasons. Obviously if Tennessee drafts a RB in the 1st or 2nd, I'd change my thoughts, but I highly doubt they do that when they need other areas.
 
Rodeojones said:
teamroc said:
Jedimaster21 said:
Mr. Peterson said:
Jedimaster21 said:
I would be selling high on Ryan Grant, E. Graham, Eli Manning, and Justin Fargas.

I would be buying Kenny Irons, Chris Perry, MJD, DeAngelo Williams, Calvin Johnson, and Vernon Davis.

I know some of them might be expensive, but for the 6 mentioned I feel their actual value far exceeds perceived value. I also like Meachem a lot, as did one of the above posters...
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I like your list but I'm not sure about the bolded guys.I've been trying to get R.White (most think it was a fluke), A.Rodgers (I still think his value will go up a bunch), and Chad Jackson (can get him as a throw in and if he manages a starting spot in that offense, who knows).
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There are huge questions with Perry, but he is a former 1st round pick, has tremendous talent, and can be had for NOTHING. His injuries may have slowed him down for the rest of his career, but he also may recover fully. He is only 26 (same age as Ronnie Brown) and the Bengals RB position is up for grabs. Why not take a chance?
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Why not? Because HE'S AWFUL.Mike Williams has a boat load of talent also. He might be starting for Tennessee. SLEEPA!

If you've accomplished nothing in the NFL for 4 years (and been hurt every single year) it's time to move on. He's no longer worth the roster spot. Ever. "Former 1st round picks" carrys as much weight in the NFL as "Former FBG poster of the month".

It's hilarious all the Chris Perry hype we get EVERY freakin year. What are you hanging on to? College? Yeah 5 years ago he had some decent games in college. And?

Akili Smith thinks he's a bust.



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I thought we had a Maroney=Speed sighting for a second.
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Driver

I can see Drivers numbers going up from last year, to more like his other years. He is still getting more targets than Jennings in general and the red zone, just did not convert more this past year. Rodgers does not seem to be the long ball gunslinger that Favre was, meaning he should be throwing more shorter passes to move the chains. Driver also appears to still be in great shape and still playing at a high level.

Good information from H.K and Scrumptrulescent from other posts:

The last five games Driver and Jennings played in the regular season, Driver had 42 (8.4 pg) targets to Jennings' 29 (5.8 pg).

2007 targets per game:

Driver 8.1

Jennings 6.5

Jones 5.0

2007 Red zone targets

Driver 17 for 2 TD's

Jones 11 for 0 TD's

Jennings 11 for 6 TD's

TD's can be random and bound to go up for Driver with the amount of targets he gets.

When Rodgers went to in the Dallas game.

Driver: thrown to 7 times, 7 catches

Jennings: thrown to 6 times, 5 catches (including a td)

Lee: thrown to 4 times, 3 catches

Jones: thrown to 2 times, 1 catch

Robinson: thrown to 1 time, 1 catch

Martin: thrown to 1 time, 0 catches

RB's: thrown to 3 times, 2 catches

 
dmac37 said:
DriverI can see Drivers numbers going up from last year, to more like his other years. He is still getting more targets than Jennings in general and the red zone, just did not convert more this past year. Rodgers does not seem to be the long ball gunslinger that Favre was, meaning he should be throwing more shorter passes to move the chains. Driver also appears to still be in great shape and still playing at a high level.
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Driver had a shoulder injury in TC last year that hurt him most of the season. Jennings is still the #1 guy from Rodgers play but expect a lot out of Driver too.
 
Jedimaster21 said:
Some other buy lows...Carson Palmer, Roy Williams, Lee Evans, and Mark Clayton.
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Love all the above, though I don't necessarily think Palmer and ROY are going to go for much cheaper than their real value. Mark Clalyton, however, is another story. I think he has all the tools to be a great WR in this league and I've been aggressively trying to pick him up. Mark Clayton and Robert Meachem are two WRs who's owners may have given up on and are looking to unload for pennies on the dollar. Lee Evans too, though Evans owners tend to be a bit more stubborn because he wasn't *that* bad last year and has shown elite level skills in the past.I also like Chris Perry because he's basically for free. Same with Chicago's Adrian Peterson. If you have roster space these are the type of guys I'd grab and see what happens with their team's running game - if it doesn't pan out, you didn't pay much. If it does, you could have a steal. Good thread!
 
I really find this thread interesting. I have been playing dynasty for just a few years now and I still have not drawn any solid conclusions on when it is best to cut bait on some young players that have not lived up to potential. Guys such as Meachem and Chad Jackson or Matt Jones. Obviously you take a hit on value from what you drafted them for and what they are worth now if you trade them today but they still have value. I wonder what % of them turn things around or if one is better to make an early decision on them and get what remaining value is there or is it better to hold and hope? I'm sure there are many opinions but I do find this interesting.

 
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