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The case for Jared Mayo (1 Viewer)

Jene Bramel

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A point-by-point case for Jerod Mayo

1. He’s arguably the best overall talent in the class.

Arguably. Rivers is right there. I’m a big believer in opportunity being a major factor in box score production, but the reverse corollary warrants mentioning – careful when ignoring talent due to a perceived lack of opportunity.

Which begs the question: Is there really significantly less opportunity in New England? Or are there other factors in play that have depressed the opportunity?

I think there’s an argument to be made that the perception that the Patriot ILB position is a blackhole may be misleading.

Consider two significant facts regarding the Patriot ILB situation since 2004:

***Raw tackle opportunity since 2007: 31st, 30th, 25th, 24th

***Frequent injuries prompted rotation at the ILB positions

A reasonable person could well conclude the following:

2. New England’s previously poor tackle opportunity likely to increase.

The tackle opportunity numbers are clear. The Patriots (along with the Steelers FWIW) have faced well below an average amount of tackle opportunity in recent seasons. Not only that, much of the decreased opportunity is due to a lack of run support chances.

In 2007, the Patriots faced a league fewest 22.5 rush attempts per game. Further, only 40.6% of their defensive snaps were rushing plays by the opposing offense. By comparison, the league average was 45.1%.

There’s no question that a fair amount of that is due to New England’s amazing offensive production. That offensive production dropped in the second half of 2008. And some of it has to be due to a solid defense – a defense that lost three fourths of its starting secondary, a solid all-around rush OLB and their primary run stuffing ILB.

Plenty of upside to be found with regard to raw tackle opportunity.

3. There may not be as much rotation at the ILB spots in 2008.

This one’s a tougher sell. Still, it’s worth noting that the Pats seemed to be content to scrap the Adalius Thomas ILB experiment late last season. It appears that Rosie Colvin isn’t on the radar with a rumored severe Achilles injury. Junior Seau was a major rotational factor. That means the three of the primary culprits in the rotation over the past couple of seasons aren’t in the picture. What’s left? Tedy Bruschi, who played less last season than in recent memory despite being healthy all year long, with still another year on his body. And Victor Hobson, a replacement level ILB at best.

4. Belichick drafted him.

In the first round. After leaving similar ILB talents on the board in prior seasons despite similar needs. You may argue that Belichick likes to bring his rookies along slowly in favor of veteran players. But guys like Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork and Ty Warren all got significant playing time during their rookie seasons. You may argue that Belichick will want to break him in slowly in a complicated defense. But the weak inside linebacker position isn’t as complicated as it might appear, Mayo has above-average instincts and he’ll have Bruschi to ease him into the huddle.

5. The scheme isn’t that bad.

We spent a lot of time discussing the myths that 3-4 ILB make for bad box score players last summer. Belichick’s scheme isn’t enough of a 1-gap scheme to make it a slam dunk, but there’ve been a number of players (albeit with better opportunity) who’ve had solid production out of this playbook when in every down roles – Andra Davis, D’Qwell Jackson, David Harris.

Bottom line: I’m not arguing that Mayo is a lock for 95 solos every season, but I think it’s worth considering the above before you dismiss him as a 85-90 solo player who struggles to crack the top 25 in any given year. I am arguing that you might want to think twice before taking a lesser talent like Jordon Dizon, who might struggle behind a weak DT group in a scheme that isn't as friendly as some other 4-3 schemes to the MLB, or Curtis Lofton, who isn't a lock to be an every down backer and will have more than a little friendly competition for tackles on the outside.

In some ways, this season's crop is a real tester. It was easy to pimp Ryans, Willis, Sims, Posluszny and Beason. All looked very likely to end up in a featured role and few questioned their talent. I think there's an argument against the future prospects of any of the top seven backers in this group. If you chose Sims over Ryans or Beason over Willis, you didn't lose much.

That won't be the case this year.

 
You're complicating this for me. Stop. I suppose his lofty draft status will have someone in my leagues grabbing him before I'm comfortable, which should be comforting to those of you falling for Jene's pitch. If I draft him, he'll get injured, so I'll avoid him for the rest of you. I'm going with the blackhole theory. Even if some of the other points you make are valid, I cannot see that D on the field enough

 
While he may be the best talent in this years crop he won't be the best value. I'm thinking he's going to be a mid 2nd round pick in rookie IDP dyno drafts, I believe the best value at this point in the draft will be WR. If I'm taking a LB in the 2nd it's going to be Lofton, he's going to get a lot more opportunities and I believe is about as good as Mayo. I'll more likely be looking at going LB in the 3rd, a Gooden or a Dizon. I think that'll prove to work out better in the long run.

 
You're complicating this for me. Stop. I suppose his lofty draft status will have someone in my leagues grabbing him before I'm comfortable, which should be comforting to those of you falling for Jene's pitch. If I draft him, he'll get injured, so I'll avoid him for the rest of you. I'm going with the blackhole theory. Even if some of the other points you make are valid, I cannot see that D on the field enough
Just wait to I post the case against Dan Connor. :PIn all seriousness, I get the concerns with Mayo and he's clearly got an uphill climb in opportunity vs the other two top talents here. But I think it's early to assume that Rivers and/or Lofton are clearly every down MLBs before Mayo settles into his own nice every down role. Or it could just be me stubbornly sticking to my first impressions. :goodposting:
 
You're complicating this for me. Stop. I suppose his lofty draft status will have someone in my leagues grabbing him before I'm comfortable, which should be comforting to those of you falling for Jene's pitch. If I draft him, he'll get injured, so I'll avoid him for the rest of you. I'm going with the blackhole theory. Even if some of the other points you make are valid, I cannot see that D on the field enough
Just wait to I post the case against Dan Connor. :P In all seriousness, I get the concerns with Mayo and he's clearly got an uphill climb in opportunity vs the other two top talents here. But I think it's early to assume that Rivers and/or Lofton are clearly every down MLBs before Mayo settles into his own nice every down role. Or it could just be me stubbornly sticking to my first impressions. :goodposting:
That's easy, he's a liability in pass coverage and will likely be limited to being a 2-down LB.
 
You're complicating this for me. Stop. I suppose his lofty draft status will have someone in my leagues grabbing him before I'm comfortable, which should be comforting to those of you falling for Jene's pitch. If I draft him, he'll get injured, so I'll avoid him for the rest of you. I'm going with the blackhole theory. Even if some of the other points you make are valid, I cannot see that D on the field enough
Just wait to I post the case against Dan Connor. ;) In all seriousness, I get the concerns with Mayo and he's clearly got an uphill climb in opportunity vs the other two top talents here. But I think it's early to assume that Rivers and/or Lofton are clearly every down MLBs before Mayo settles into his own nice every down role. Or it could just be me stubbornly sticking to my first impressions. :lol:
That's easy, he's a liability in pass coverage and will likely be limited to being a 2-down LB.
:shrug: That's part of it for sure for me. Seeing plenty of early impressions with Connor above Mayo, though. Be interesting to see some of Tick/Spec1alk's ADP data when the Zealots start drafting.
 
PFW / WWHI

Coach Bill Belichick doesn’t like to play rookie linebackers. Believing that it takes a couple of years to learn the complexities of the position, he opts to let them learn on the practice field and watch from the sideline during games. Expect Belichick to make an exception with first-round pick Jerod Mayo. According to one team insider, Mayo is an odds-on favorite to win one of the two starting ILB jobs by the season opener. There was a school of thought that the 242-pound Mayo would flip outside and 270-pound Adalius Thomas would shift inside, considering that each has experience at both positions, but we hear that won’t be happening. For one thing, Thomas was far more effective a season ago when working on the edge. For another, the Pats see inside linebacker as Mayo’s long-term position, and to have him learn outside responsibilities, then throw him the ILB playbook a year or two later would stunt his development. That being said, we hear the Pats want him to gain about 15 pounds, even if it’s detrimental to his speed.

 
Mayo to begin at RILB.

1) Mayo starts his work on the weak side. First-round draft choice Jerod Mayo got his initial work at the weakside inside linebacker spot in the 3-4 alignment. He was most often paired with sixth-round pick Bu Ruud, who was playing on the strongside, over the tight end. Mayo has the flexibility to play both the strong- and weakside spots. The weakside spot was held down by Tedy Bruschi for most of last season. When Rosevelt Colvin sustained a season-ending injury in late November, Bruschi moved to the strongside, with Junior Seau taking over on the weakside.

 
Some notes from the Pats minicamp...

# 1) Jerod Mayo and dropping into pass coverage. One of the primary objectives of the session seemed to be geared toward linebackers and defensive backs working together in pass coverage. Along those lines, first-round draft choice Jerod Mayo was most often lining up at the weakside inside linebacker spot, and he showed the expected quickness dropping back, moving laterally, and sometimes charging downhill. He passes the eye test as a player who seems to move effortlessly across the football field.

# 5) Victor Hobson leads the huddle. In making the switch from outside linebacker in the Jets' 3-4 alignment to inside linebacker in the Patriots' 3-4 alignment, sixth-year veteran Victor Hobson will be a player to watch in the ensuing months. If he can pull off the switch, and give the Patriots some quality play at a spot that has traditionally been difficult to fill, he could be one of the NFL's best under-the-radar signings. Hobson was leading the defensive huddle throughout the practice, and there was nothing that stood out physically (e.g. footwork) that would make one think Hobson can't make the move.
 
Mayo might be starter sooner rather than later. From Patriots Football Weekly:

Jerod Mayo. Literally. The rookie is now taking reps with the first defense and in one drill on Sunday afternoon he got into it with another player. That led to the first real scrum of camp as players from both sides of the ball joined the physical fun. Mayo plays with a clear edge, even in practice.
 
I guess it all depends on who you'd be comparing him to, and you CAN get some kind of production out of pats players, but I think they'll be killin' on top this year, should do better at stopping drives, and will probably prompt their opponents to throw a lot late, so conditions are probably working against you even if he were to start and play full time, which isn't a given.

of course, if he's racking up 10 tackles/game and I don't have him, I'm going to hang myself.

if you're looking for points out of pats players, I'd lean more towards the outside linebackers.

 
Mayo is walking the walk out there tonight vs the Ravens. Just laid a good hit in open space on Ray Rice and overall just looks comfortable.

 
any more thoughts on Mayo through training camp? I just took him as the 2nd rookie LB off the board after Lofton. Anybody know if he will be rooted in at the ILB spot on the weak side?

 
any more thoughts on Mayo through training camp? I just took him as the 2nd rookie LB off the board after Lofton. Anybody know if he will be rooted in at the ILB spot on the weak side?
He's rooted there now. He started there and played every down with the first team last week and has been the most impressive backer on the team in camp. Hobson has been a disappointment. Tank Williams, who was getting a look in the nickel, is done. Adalius Thomas is not coming back inside, nor is Vrabel. I believe it's no longer a 45-50 snap/game split for Mayo. He's likely to get all 60+.Whether that means he can work his way from the top 20-25 into the top 12-15 is still worth debating. But I don't think there's any question he's a upper tier LB3 at worst at this point.
 
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And, at the risk of blooming myself here, y'all better recognize. That first post is looking awfully prophetic. The only thing left to be determined is whether Mayo can top 90 solos as an every-down backer in this scheme. I still believe that to be entirely possible.

:no: :shrug:

 
Jene Bramel said:
LBH said:
any more thoughts on Mayo through training camp? I just took him as the 2nd rookie LB off the board after Lofton. Anybody know if he will be rooted in at the ILB spot on the weak side?
He's rooted there now. He started there and played every down with the first team last week and has been the most impressive backer on the team in camp. Hobson has been a disappointment. Tank Williams, who was getting a look in the nickel, is done. Adalius Thomas is not coming back inside, nor is Vrabel. I believe it's no longer a 45-50 snap/game split for Mayo. He's likely to get all 60+.Whether that means he can work his way from the top 20-25 into the top 12-15 is another story is still worth debating. But I don't think there's any question he's a upper tier LB3 at worst at this point.
thanks for the feedback Jene :blackdot:
 
You're complicating this for me. Stop. I suppose his lofty draft status will have someone in my leagues grabbing him before I'm comfortable, which should be comforting to those of you falling for Jene's pitch. If I draft him, he'll get injured, so I'll avoid him for the rest of you. I'm going with the blackhole theory. Even if some of the other points you make are valid, I cannot see that D on the field enough
Just wait to I post the case against Dan Connor. :bow:In all seriousness, I get the concerns with Mayo and he's clearly got an uphill climb in opportunity vs the other two top talents here. But I think it's early to assume that Rivers and/or Lofton are clearly every down MLBs before Mayo settles into his own nice every down role. Or it could just be me stubbornly sticking to my first impressions. :mellow:
SEC defenders will always beat out their peers from the other conferences in the first few years. I plucked Mayo off the WW after the 1st preseason game. He will be a better pro than Rivers, a better fantasy player I don't know.
 
You're complicating this for me. Stop. I suppose his lofty draft status will have someone in my leagues grabbing him before I'm comfortable, which should be comforting to those of you falling for Jene's pitch. If I draft him, he'll get injured, so I'll avoid him for the rest of you. I'm going with the blackhole theory. Even if some of the other points you make are valid, I cannot see that D on the field enough
Just wait to I post the case against Dan Connor. :rolleyes: In all seriousness, I get the concerns with Mayo and he's clearly got an uphill climb in opportunity vs the other two top talents here. But I think it's early to assume that Rivers and/or Lofton are clearly every down MLBs before Mayo settles into his own nice every down role. Or it could just be me stubbornly sticking to my first impressions. ;)
SEC defenders will always beat out their peers from the other conferences in the first few years. I plucked Mayo off the WW after the 1st preseason game. He will be a better pro than Rivers, a better fantasy player I don't know.
Does your league not have a rookie draft?
 
No, we do, and Rivers and Loftin were drafted. However, we have shallow rosters so there is always a lot of talent available on the WW. I think he wasn't drafted because people are used to NE backers being worthless in fantasy. I think he has the talent to overcome the history there.

 
5 solos 2 assists in first half tonight. Pretty good stat line. Dont know he looked though

 

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