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Ravens QB Troy Smith (1 Viewer)

Andy Herron

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Personally, I think it would be in the Ravens best interest to give Troy Smith his opportunity, groom Flacco while at QB3, and keep Boller at QB2.

Regardless of Smith's height issue, he's a decent QB and a playmaker. I think he can provide the spark they desperately need.

He also adds a dimension to the offense with his mobility.

In the little time he got to see the field at the end of last season (as a rookie), I thought he played pretty well.

Week 16- 16/33 199 yrds. 1 TD 0 Ints 6 rushes, 25 yrds. (at Seattle)

Week 17- 16/27 171 yrds. 1 TD 0 Ints 5 rushes, 23 yrds. (vs. Pittsburgh)

For his first two starts, this doesn't look so bad to me.

I'm not even a Ravens fan, but even I have seen more than enough of Boller. He just plain stinks.

 
I have a feeling we will see Troy Smith as the starter this year. Flacco won't be ready and we all know Boller sucks. Smith is a great gamble pick and wouldn't be shocked if he was the future QB for the Ravens. Flacco will bust.

 
Personally, I think it would be in the Ravens best interest to give Troy Smith his opportunity, groom Flacco while at QB3, and keep Boller at QB2.

Regardless of Smith's height issue, he's a decent QB and a playmaker. I think he can provide the spark they desperately need.

He also adds a dimension to the offense with his mobility.

In the little time he got to see the field at the end of last season (as a rookie), I thought he played pretty well.

Week 16- 16/33 199 yrds. 1 TD 0 Ints 6 rushes, 25 yrds. (at Seattle)

Week 17- 16/27 171 yrds. 1 TD 0 Ints 5 rushes, 23 yrds. (vs. Pittsburgh)

For his first two starts, this doesn't look so bad to me.

I'm not even a Ravens fan, but even I have seen more than enough of Boller. He just plain stinks.
Quote from: http://www.ravens24x7.com/column_view.php?...mp;view=archiveArticle by Aaron WIlson

“As the Baltimore Ravens' quarterback (Troy Smith) lofted the football behind two defensive backs to hit Harper in stride during a Wednesday passing camp, it was a prime example of the improvement the former Heisman Trophy winner has displayed this offseason in making a viable bid for the starting job.

With first-round draft pick Joe Flacco absent due to an NFL-NCAA rule and former starter Kyle Boller having a rough day with batted passes and inaccuracy, Smith took advantage of the opportunity as he operated the first-team offense for the majority of the snaps.”

Coach Harbaugh further said, "Troy is a leader. Anytime you've won the Heisman Trophy, anytime you've been in a national championship game, you obviously know how to lead an offense and lead a team."

I think we will see Troy Smith at QB this year. The Ravens are still stung by the Boller fiasco. Ozzie will have Flacco sit for at least a half a season IMHO. The reports from camp say Troy Smith is looking sharp. The veterans on the team say he has command of the huddle. His reputation is that no one will out-prepare him.

I like the kid!!

 
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I have a feeling we will see Troy Smith as the starter this year. Flacco won't be ready and we all know Boller sucks. Smith is a great gamble pick and wouldn't be shocked if he was the future QB for the Ravens. Flacco will bust.
No doubt Boller sucks, but you might be surprised to see lots of posts on the local newspapers supporting him. FUGGETABOUTIT!
 
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He took first team snaps in the mini this past week and several guys I know close to the Ravens believe he's got as good a shot to win the job in camp as Boller; the team doesn't want Flacco in there at the start of the season. I certainly wouldn't rule him out.

 
I think that the Ravens wasted a first round pick this year. Smith is good enough to lead that team and run that offense.
The decision to draft Flacco and Smith's ability to run that offense aren't mutually exclusive. Even Smith's supporters aren't arguing that he's capable of being the long-term answer at the position. Given his height and draft position, it would be something almost historic for that to happen. But I don't disagree with you that Smith COULD be a serviceable place holder for a time.
 
I think that the Ravens wasted a first round pick this year. Smith is good enough to lead that team and run that offense.
The decision to draft Flacco and Smith's ability to run that offense aren't mutually exclusive. Even Smith's supporters aren't arguing that he's capable of being the long-term answer at the position. Given his height and draft position, it would be something almost historic for that to happen. But I don't disagree with you that Smith COULD be a serviceable place holder for a time.
Garcia's about the only comparable success story that comes to mind.
 
I think that the Ravens wasted a first round pick this year. Smith is good enough to lead that team and run that offense.
The decision to draft Flacco and Smith's ability to run that offense aren't mutually exclusive. Even Smith's supporters aren't arguing that he's capable of being the long-term answer at the position. Given his height and draft position, it would be something almost historic for that to happen. But I don't disagree with you that Smith COULD be a serviceable place holder for a time.
Garcia's about the only comparable success story that comes to mind.
Brady and Montana are two QBs with low draft position that went on to do pretty well for themselves. I thought when Flutie first returned from CFL he was playing pretty good football. He led the team to the Bills into the playoffs before being benched in favor of Rob Johnson. Despite his height, Flutie commanded that offense and was the true leader in the mind of his teammates.
 
I think that the Ravens wasted a first round pick this year. Smith is good enough to lead that team and run that offense.
The decision to draft Flacco and Smith's ability to run that offense aren't mutually exclusive. Even Smith's supporters aren't arguing that he's capable of being the long-term answer at the position. Given his height and draft position, it would be something almost historic for that to happen. But I don't disagree with you that Smith COULD be a serviceable place holder for a time.
It's unfair, GB, to penalize Smith for being short if you're also going to penalize him for being a low draft pick. He was a low draft pick because he is short.
 
I think that the Ravens wasted a first round pick this year. Smith is good enough to lead that team and run that offense.
The decision to draft Flacco and Smith's ability to run that offense aren't mutually exclusive. Even Smith's supporters aren't arguing that he's capable of being the long-term answer at the position. Given his height and draft position, it would be something almost historic for that to happen. But I don't disagree with you that Smith COULD be a serviceable place holder for a time.
It's unfair, GB, to penalize Smith for being short if you're also going to penalize him for being a low draft pick. He was a low draft pick because he is short.
That being said, for trivia purposes, here are the best QBs in NFL history that were drafted lower than 150th and were shorter than 6'2 (Smith was the 174th pick and is 6'0):Jim HartJeff GarciaDave KriegBart StarrBrian SipeJeff BlakeDoug FlutieJack KempErik KramerTom FloresMike TomczakLooking just 6'0 or shorter QBs, regardless of draft status, here are the best guys:TarkentonJergusonDawsonTittleBreesTheismanKilmerLuckmanFlutieBill NelsonVickObviously not a lot of recent guys (just Vick and Brees were drafted in the last 20 years), but there haven't been many 72" QBs to even be drafted in the NFL. But once Smith made it here, he's got as good of a chance to succeed, IMO, as any other 5th round QB.
 
I think that the Ravens wasted a first round pick this year. Smith is good enough to lead that team and run that offense.
The decision to draft Flacco and Smith's ability to run that offense aren't mutually exclusive. Even Smith's supporters aren't arguing that he's capable of being the long-term answer at the position. Given his height and draft position, it would be something almost historic for that to happen. But I don't disagree with you that Smith COULD be a serviceable place holder for a time.
Garcia's about the only comparable success story that comes to mind.
Brady and Montana are two QBs with low draft position that went on to do pretty well for themselves. I thought when Flutie first returned from CFL he was playing pretty good football. He led the team to the Bills into the playoffs before being benched in favor of Rob Johnson. Despite his height, Flutie commanded that offense and was the true leader in the mind of his teammates.
You're missing the point; Brady was easily the biggest draft mistake at the QB position in decades, if not ever. And he's 6'4", 225 pounds. Montana was 6'2", 205 pounds and was a 3rd rounder. Perhaps most importantly, neither had their respective teams use a 1st round draft pick on another QB following their first few NFL starts. Neither Brady or Montana are germane to the conversation.
I think that the Ravens wasted a first round pick this year. Smith is good enough to lead that team and run that offense.
The decision to draft Flacco and Smith's ability to run that offense aren't mutually exclusive. Even Smith's supporters aren't arguing that he's capable of being the long-term answer at the position. Given his height and draft position, it would be something almost historic for that to happen. But I don't disagree with you that Smith COULD be a serviceable place holder for a time.
It's unfair, GB, to penalize Smith for being short if you're also going to penalize him for being a low draft pick. He was a low draft pick because he is short.
You answered your own question good buddy, he's not short, he's TOO short.
 
I think that the Ravens wasted a first round pick this year. Smith is good enough to lead that team and run that offense.
The decision to draft Flacco and Smith's ability to run that offense aren't mutually exclusive. Even Smith's supporters aren't arguing that he's capable of being the long-term answer at the position. Given his height and draft position, it would be something almost historic for that to happen. But I don't disagree with you that Smith COULD be a serviceable place holder for a time.
Garcia's about the only comparable success story that comes to mind.
Brady and Montana are two QBs with low draft position that went on to do pretty well for themselves. I thought when Flutie first returned from CFL he was playing pretty good football. He led the team to the Bills into the playoffs before being benched in favor of Rob Johnson. Despite his height, Flutie commanded that offense and was the true leader in the mind of his teammates.
Yeah, I was basing my comparison more on height + low draft position, not just draft position. And as Chase's handy research shows, Garcia is about the only reasonable success story you can hold him up against (undrafted and 6'1" standing on his wallet.)
 
I think that the Ravens wasted a first round pick this year. Smith is good enough to lead that team and run that offense.
The Ravens may have wasted a pick, because the guy they drafted may be no good, but I disagree about Smith. I don't think he's good enough to lead the team. I don't think he's very accurate when throwing the ball. I don't think he's a disaster but I don't see him leading anybody into the playoffs.
 
I think that the Ravens wasted a first round pick this year. Smith is good enough to lead that team and run that offense.
The decision to draft Flacco and Smith's ability to run that offense aren't mutually exclusive. Even Smith's supporters aren't arguing that he's capable of being the long-term answer at the position. Given his height and draft position, it would be something almost historic for that to happen. But I don't disagree with you that Smith COULD be a serviceable place holder for a time.
Garcia's about the only comparable success story that comes to mind.
Brady and Montana are two QBs with low draft position that went on to do pretty well for themselves. I thought when Flutie first returned from CFL he was playing pretty good football. He led the team to the Bills into the playoffs before being benched in favor of Rob Johnson. Despite his height, Flutie commanded that offense and was the true leader in the mind of his teammates.
Yeah, I was basing my comparison more on height + low draft position, not just draft position. And as Chase's handy research shows, Garcia is about the only reasonable success story you can hold him up against (undrafted and 6'1" standing on his wallet.)
Brian Sipe won an MVP award. Jim Hart was very good.Once again, I think it's unfair to combine height and the low draft position. It's not like if Troy Smith was 6'5 and a 6th round pick then his outlook would be different. The sample becomes really, really small if we look at late drafted QBs that were 6'0 or shorter.
 
Being an Ohio native and huge Buckeye fan, I saw plenty of him throughout his college career.

He always had poise and the ability to make the big play. Having played in so many big games at Ohio State, I don't think the "big stage" bothers him at all.

He can get the ball downfield and find the open receiver. Hard to argue that he didn't have a hand in both Ginn and Gonzalez going in the first round last year. Sure, they're both pretty good, but Smith is the one who got the ball to them on a regular basis. As far as his height goes, those lines in the Big Ten aren't much smaller than NFL lines, if at all. I don't think height proves to hold much merit at all, especially with a mobile quarterback who can move well enough to find open passing lanes.

Obviously, I'm a fan, and would love to see him get a shot. I truly think he could surprise. With an improved OL and McGahee, it's not like he has to do it all himself. Dangerous red-zone QB too. He also possesses a strong enough arm.

 
I think that the Ravens wasted a first round pick this year. Smith is good enough to lead that team and run that offense.
The decision to draft Flacco and Smith's ability to run that offense aren't mutually exclusive. Even Smith's supporters aren't arguing that he's capable of being the long-term answer at the position. Given his height and draft position, it would be something almost historic for that to happen. But I don't disagree with you that Smith COULD be a serviceable place holder for a time.
Garcia's about the only comparable success story that comes to mind.
Brady and Montana are two QBs with low draft position that went on to do pretty well for themselves. I thought when Flutie first returned from CFL he was playing pretty good football. He led the team to the Bills into the playoffs before being benched in favor of Rob Johnson. Despite his height, Flutie commanded that offense and was the true leader in the mind of his teammates.
You're missing the point; Brady was easily the biggest draft mistake at the QB position in decades, if not ever. And he's 6'4", 225 pounds. Montana was 6'2", 205 pounds and was a 3rd rounder. Perhaps most importantly, neither had their respective teams use a 1st round draft pick on another QB following their first few NFL starts. Neither Brady or Montana are germane to the conversation.
I think that the Ravens wasted a first round pick this year. Smith is good enough to lead that team and run that offense.
The decision to draft Flacco and Smith's ability to run that offense aren't mutually exclusive. Even Smith's supporters aren't arguing that he's capable of being the long-term answer at the position. Given his height and draft position, it would be something almost historic for that to happen. But I don't disagree with you that Smith COULD be a serviceable place holder for a time.
It's unfair, GB, to penalize Smith for being short if you're also going to penalize him for being a low draft pick. He was a low draft pick because he is short.
You answered your own question good buddy, he's not short, he's TOO short.
no i get your point .. i just couldn't think of any low drafted short QBs that went onto acquiring a starting job except for flutie. i threw brady and montana in because they too were low draft picks and they've had a lot more nfl success than flutie. i guess my beef is w/ the use of the word "historic". i mean, would Smith winning and holding onto the starting job be a major accomplishment requiring a lot of dedication and hard work? yes. Would this be historic? no... "and the god dahmn Germans ain't got nothing to do with it". sorry, i felt compelled to through in that line from SATB :confused:
 
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At this point, looks like Smith will be the starter opening day unless 2 things occur (outside of injuries):

1. Coaching staff gains a ton of confidence in OL (LT and RT are not set at this point with middle looking like Grubbs, Brown and Yanda - appears that they would like to see Gaither step up at LT, major maturity issues, and Cousins at RT)

AND

2. Flacco is clearly superior to Smith

All that I have heard indicates vets have more confidence in Smith over Boller, who hasn't looked very crisp during the most recent camp, which Flacco was unable to attend due to UD schedule.

 
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I think that the Ravens wasted a first round pick this year. Smith is good enough to lead that team and run that offense.
The decision to draft Flacco and Smith's ability to run that offense aren't mutually exclusive. Even Smith's supporters aren't arguing that he's capable of being the long-term answer at the position. Given his height and draft position, it would be something almost historic for that to happen. But I don't disagree with you that Smith COULD be a serviceable place holder for a time.
It's unfair, GB, to penalize Smith for being short if you're also going to penalize him for being a low draft pick. He was a low draft pick because he is short.
And because he has a bad past with the booster incident and the law.
 
From Adam Schefter of NFL Network, posted minutes ago-

See if this sounds familiar.

At this time last year, desperate to solidify their quarterback position for years to come, the Cleveland Browns packaged picks to move up in the draft and select Brady Quinn.

Cleveland firmly believed it had drafted its quarterback of the future -– until the lightly regarded backup Derek Anderson came off the bench and out of nowhere to start the final 15 games of the season.

One year later, desperate to solidify their quarterback position for years to come, the Baltimore Ravens packaged picks to move up in the draft and select Joe Flacco.

Baltimore firmly believed it had drafted its quarterback of the future. And maybe it has. But this spring, Baltimore’s backup quarterback, Troy Smith, the former Heisman Trophy winner from Ohio State, has done his best Derek Anderson impression, surprising coaches while vying for the starting job.

There are those in Baltimore who now believe Smith has a legitimate chance to beat out Kyle Boller and Flacco to win the starting job.

Boller has been running the Ravens' first-string offense throughout Organized Team Activities, however Smith has gotten his reps with the unit and has impressed during his work.

Ravens officials said Smith has learned and assimilated the Ravens' new offense quickly. He has demonstrated the necessary leadership abilities. He has acted like he should be –- and will be –- the starting quarterback, which wouldn’t be that unusual.

Smith started the Ravens' last two games last season, losing in Seattle and beating Pittsburgh at home. During his rookie year, Smith completed 40-of-76 passes for 452 yards, two touchdowns and no interceptions. His 79.5 quarterback rating was better than other notable rookie campaigns.

Eli Manning’s quarterback rating his rookie year in 2004 was 55.4, Byron Leftwich’s in 2003 a 73.0, Donovan McNabb’s in 1999 a 60.1. Clearly, Smith is capable.

The Ravens had been told that Smith would grow on them, just as he did on the Ohio State Buckeyes. So far what they heard has been what they’ve seen. Smith has grown on them. He will have the chance to continue growing, and competing, this summer.

Once, Baltimore had and cut Derek Anderson. Now it hopes it has this year’s version of him.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story;jsessi...mp;confirm=true

I'm telling you now, watch out for Troy Smith this year.

 
I hope the Ravens cut Troy since he is in our division, but I too think the Ravens wasted a pick on Flacco. His best talent is field presence. He makes great decisions and has good accuracy. He's got the jets but was mature enough to learn that he is a QB first and a runner second. He learned this in College! College! Many NFL QB's with quick feet never learn this! He also corrects his flaws when they are pointed out to him. He's better than Flutie in my opinion, and Flutie could have had a heck of a career with the Ravens current roster.

 
NO!

If they are going to start a rookie (Smith is essentially a rookie), why not start Flacco so he can get experience?

Flacco is extremely smart (he's already got their play book DOWN), he has the size and arm strength to play in the NFL, the one thing he's lacking is the experience with the speed of the NFL. He won't get that sitting on the sideline watching Smith lose games for them.

 
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Flacco is extremely smart (he's already got their play book DOWN
That's funny.He hasn't even been able to practice with them due to NFL/NCAA school regulations. Don't be silly. You're kidding nobody but yourself. Flacco in no way will be ready this year. The Ravens have no real choice but to ride with Troy Smith if they want to win this year. Open your eyes.

 
I tried to tell people not to count Troy out from having a good NFL career. What role that will be???? Who knows???? , BUT I do know 1 thing about Troy Smith, he has a lot of heart and talent to go with that heart. Size????? I still don't understand this reasoning, OSU o-line are some big boys and have been all 4 years Troy was at OSU and Troy sat in that pocket and hit wr's all over the field. Troy's whole senior season was about pocket presence and throwing the ball. I can't remember hin running a lot that year.Troy's Junior year was his running season and he did a lot of that, but after his senior year I was a believer. I think he performed well last year, however they went and got Flacco for a reason. My guess is Troy will get his shot and shine enough to be traded or will be the next Matt Schaub. A great back up with potential to be a starter when given the chance some where else.
We're on the same page osubuckeyeman. There will be lessons learned in trying to defend Troy Smith this year. All he needs is the opportunity. As you have pointed out, the skills are there.
 
Smith looks great vs Boller. Wow. Too bad everyone forgets how Flacco looked in his only team encounter so far and how much more impressive he was than Smith those few days. Get him in camp and I think they have a hard time holding him backAnd Reminder

By Sean Leahy, USA TODAYOWINGS MILLS, Md. — After the Baltimore Ravens traded up to select Joe Flacco with the 18th pick in the NFL draft, it's no surprise the team expects him to be the leader of the team's offense.Part of the journey to that position began Friday at Ravens minicamp when Flacco, on his first day in an NFL uniform, got tested — on the field and off — by the franchise's real leader, linebacker Ray Lewis."I'm a fan of Joe Flacco," said Lewis, a two-time Defensive Player of the Year entering his 13th season. "But if you've met him, and I've been playing with him and messing around with him, his personality is incredible."MINICAMP BRAWL: Tempers flare at Ravens' practicePHOTOS: NFL minicamp seasonLewis, who slipped away from the final minutes of the afternoon practice for some quality time with the quarterbacks, has a vested interest in the success of whoever lines up under center this season, be it Flacco, second-year player Troy Smith or veteran Kyle Boller. One of them will be charged with mounting an offense to support the Ravens defense that has ranked no worse than sixth in the NFL in the past five seasons.So what did the "messing around" entail?"Just joking around," Flacco said of Lewis, "telling me he's going to get a pick off me eventually."First impressions for the Delaware product chosen were strong around the rainy field the Ravens used Friday afternoon. His highlight was a deep strike of not-quite 50 yards to Mark Clayton that sent a raucous cheer around the team's practice facility.Twelve-year veteran receiver Derrick Mason said the rookie's composure was especially impressive. "The way he commanded the huddle with the team that was in there, I think that speaks volumes of him," the receiver said."He's just got to continue to do that."Flacco, playing the role of respectful rookie, wasn't wowed — at least outwardly — by the connection with Clayton."The last thing I'm thinking about is the play I just completed," he said. "Because I know that this is a new offense for me and I'm worried about the next play."With Steve McNair retired, the starting quarterback job is wide open in Baltimore. But Flacco, who studied the offense new head coach John Harbaugh is installing in the time since the draft with quarterbacks coach Hue Jackson, has a high bar to meet if he's going to beat out either Boller or Smith for the No. 1 role.Harbaugh said he was holding nothing back from the signal caller who played last season in Division I-AA with the Blue Hens. "No spoon feeding," the coach said. "We throw it all at him, and he handled it well."Flacco's arm strength and size (6-6, 235) jumped out when he showed them off in person, and more than one Ravens teammate came away impressed.Mason and tight end Todd Heap, both former Pro Bowlers who stand to benefit if Flacco catches on comfortably as the starter, offered glowing reviews of his makeup."From first glance," Mason said, "the guy is what they thought he was going to be. He's big, can throw the ball and can put it on target."A solid first day. But still, there's sure to be more "messing around" from Lewis to test him."We'll find out, sooner or later," the linebacker said, "how good he's going to be."
 
From Adam Schefter of NFL Network, posted minutes ago-See if this sounds familiar.At this time last year, desperate to solidify their quarterback position for years to come, the Cleveland Browns packaged picks to move up in the draft and select Brady Quinn.
It happened with Brees too but Smith is no Brees. Or Derek Anderson. He's no Brady Quinn either. Quinn played very well moving the team last pre season. What has Smith done? Sure give him his shot but pick the best player.Get a grip man. Smith will have a role, but not at QB.
 
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It happened with Brees too but Smith is no Brees. Or Derek Anderson. He's no Brady Quinn either. Quinn played very well moving the team last pre season. What has Smith done? Sure give him his shot but pick the best player.
You mean what has Smith done other than post a QB rating of nearly 80 with 2 tds and no picks, moving the ball well in REGULAR season and beating Pittsburgh in the season finale? Nothing, I guess.And why is Smith no Brees? Other than that Brees didn't win the Heisman?

Get a grip man. Smith will have a role, but not at QB.
You say that with such conviction.
 
Flacco is extremely smart (he's already got their play book DOWN
That's funny.He hasn't even been able to practice with them due to NFL/NCAA school regulations. Don't be silly. You're kidding nobody but yourself. Flacco in no way will be ready this year. The Ravens have no real choice but to ride with Troy Smith if they want to win this year. Open your eyes.
That is funny. I wasn't aware that you need to "practice" to memorize the playbook. He may not have had the chance to get on the field yet to practice but he has memorized the playbook, WHICH HE IS ALOUD TO DO UNDER NCAA REGULATIONS. There is nothing under NCAA reg's that say he can't look at their playbook and commit it to memory, which he has done. THATS ALL I SAID. You read way too much into my post.The one knock on Flacco is that he wouldn't be able to handle the speed of the NFL. He's not gonna be able to learn that on the bench. You can hang your hat on Troy Smith, all I'm saying is that in my opinion if they start him this year they will miss the playoffs which constitutes a losing season in my book. If that's what happens, why not start Flacco? ESPECIALLY SINCE HE HAS MEMORIZED THE PLAYBOOK ALREADY!

 
Flacco is extremely smart (he's already got their play book DOWN
That's funny.He hasn't even been able to practice with them due to NFL/NCAA school regulations. Don't be silly. You're kidding nobody but yourself. Flacco in no way will be ready this year. The Ravens have no real choice but to ride with Troy Smith if they want to win this year. Open your eyes.
That is funny. I wasn't aware that you need to "practice" to memorize the playbook. He may not have had the chance to get on the field yet to practice but he has memorized the playbook, WHICH HE IS ALOUD TO DO UNDER NCAA REGULATIONS. There is nothing under NCAA reg's that say he can't look at their playbook and commit it to memory, which he has done. THATS ALL I SAID. You read way too much into my post.The one knock on Flacco is that he wouldn't be able to handle the speed of the NFL. He's not gonna be able to learn that on the bench. You can hang your hat on Troy Smith, all I'm saying is that in my opinion if they start him this year they will miss the playoffs which constitutes a losing season in my book. If that's what happens, why not start Flacco? ESPECIALLY SINCE HE HAS MEMORIZED THE PLAYBOOK ALREADY!
I believe you wanted to use the word 'allowed' instead of the bolded one. You seem very sure of Flacco's current ability to remember the playbook. Do you have any specific knowledge of the situation?

 
This is a difficult situation for the Ravens who believe, at least publicly, that they still have the talent to win this year. I have my doubts that this is a reality with the unproven and underachieving stable of QBs on the roster. I believe they are are leery about starting Flacco right from the git go, since there is a history in the league of rookie QBs being damaged permanently when thrown into the fire right away.

My feeling is that Troy gets the shot if the team shows a spark with him at the helm. After all, better to mess up the late round pick than the first rounder getting millions guaranteed, especially if there is little appreciable difference in initial performance.

 
msommer said:
North said:
ESPECIALLY SINCE HE HAS MEMORIZED THE PLAYBOOK ALREADY!
I believe you wanted to use the word 'allowed' instead of the bolded one. You seem very sure of Flacco's current ability to remember the playbook. Do you have any specific knowledge of the situation?
While there's several stories out there that discuss Flacco and Cameron's new playbook, there isn't one that uses the word memorized. So, I'm doubtful of North's source, but also interested in a link.Some stuff gleaned from the articles: All three QBs agree the new playbook is thick. Flacco took it home and has been able to study it for about six weeks. He uses family members as teammates and practices the plays, but admits this is a far cry from being able to run them with the Ravens. In the first set of practices they threw everything at him, he played well, but there were no reports that he had some unusual total recall of the playbook. For the second OTA...

Cameron said that he has simplified the plays for Flacco, tailoring schemes to mirror what he ran in college to ease his transition to the NFL.

"We’ve always done that with young quarterbacks so they really don’t have to perform and learn at the same time so much," Cameron said. "A lot of the stuff he’s doing he should be able to perform at a high level because it’s stuff he’s done in college. Once he gets his feet on the ground and starts to learn NFL defenses, then we start demanding more in terms of what we want to do different than what he did in college."
So they've simplified things for him. There's no indication that he has the playbook down. Fwiw, I too am a long time Troy Smith fan. I have no idea who is going to win the starting job to open the season, and by all accounts it is an open competition. I doubt they go with Boller again unless both Smith and Flacco are nowhere near him. I find that scenario highly unlikely. If it's close between another and Boller the other will probably get the nod just because they know Boller and need change. All three of them are new to the playbook, so this a situation where a rookie has a little better shot than usual. But my guess is they decide to coddle the first round rookie, and throw the second day sophomore to the wolves early. Just guessing, but I feel like it's about 60% Smith starts, 30% Flacco, 10% Boller.

The Ravens went 5-11 last year. Looking at the schedule, I expect similar results. If I'm right, then Smith gets yanked for the rook at some point. If Smith starts the season he first gets the other three division opponents and @Houston (with Pitt also a road game). It's not brutal. It's not easy. It's a good test. He has to keep them in solid playoff contention through the bye week (week 10) to keep the job. Ten, Ind, Mia, Oak, Cle get them to the bye. Again, not easy. Not brutal. Still as much as I like Smith, I think he falters, and Flacco gets his chance at some point. If it's after the bye Flacco will be truly thrown to the wolves. The last seven games include the entire NFC east, Jax and Pitt.

I don't worry about Troy Smith's height. He is more mobile than Brees and has similar if not better arm strength (accuracy and correct reads will be the deciding factor). I think they are pretty similar players. They both have tremendous poise, confidence and leadership ability. But I also think this is probably happening too soon for Smith. Brees had two full seasons to struggle after his rookie year and before Rivers arrived. In his fourth season he barely won the job from Rivers who held out through part of preseason. Brees had a great year that salvaged/launched his career. Smith won't have two seasons to flounder. He'll have between 4 and 9 games depending on results. If they hit the bye week in the hunt, he'll have every opportunity to close the season.

The carts way ahead of the horses here. To me it's one of the most interesting situations out there, imo.

:shrug:

 
For every Boller there is a Big Ben. Not sure what the best method for a QB is these days.

 
Personally, I think it would be in the Ravens best interest to give Troy Smith his opportunity, groom Flacco while at QB3, and keep Boller at QB2.

Regardless of Smith's height issue, he's a decent QB and a playmaker. I think he can provide the spark they desperately need.

He also adds a dimension to the offense with his mobility.

In the little time he got to see the field at the end of last season (as a rookie), I thought he played pretty well.

Week 16- 16/33 199 yrds. 1 TD 0 Ints 6 rushes, 25 yrds. (at Seattle)

Week 17- 16/27 171 yrds. 1 TD 0 Ints 5 rushes, 23 yrds. (vs. Pittsburgh)

For his first two starts, this doesn't look so bad to me.

I'm not even a Ravens fan, but even I have seen more than enough of Boller. He just plain stinks.
Two games and he didn't break the 200 yard mark? That's good? Sure, he didn't throw any picks which is great, but still these games don't look all that impressive to me...
 
Personally, I think it would be in the Ravens best interest to give Troy Smith his opportunity, groom Flacco while at QB3, and keep Boller at QB2.

Regardless of Smith's height issue, he's a decent QB and a playmaker. I think he can provide the spark they desperately need.

He also adds a dimension to the offense with his mobility.

In the little time he got to see the field at the end of last season (as a rookie), I thought he played pretty well.

Week 16- 16/33 199 yrds. 1 TD 0 Ints 6 rushes, 25 yrds. (at Seattle)

Week 17- 16/27 171 yrds. 1 TD 0 Ints 5 rushes, 23 yrds. (vs. Pittsburgh)

For his first two starts, this doesn't look so bad to me.

I'm not even a Ravens fan, but even I have seen more than enough of Boller. He just plain stinks.
Two games and he didn't break the 200 yard mark? That's good? Sure, he didn't throw any picks which is great, but still these games don't look all that impressive to me...
Phil Rivers and Jay Cutler (for a couple of examples) each had more than two games with similar stats.
 
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Personally, I think it would be in the Ravens best interest to give Troy Smith his opportunity, groom Flacco while at QB3, and keep Boller at QB2.

Regardless of Smith's height issue, he's a decent QB and a playmaker. I think he can provide the spark they desperately need.

He also adds a dimension to the offense with his mobility.

In the little time he got to see the field at the end of last season (as a rookie), I thought he played pretty well.

Week 16- 16/33 199 yrds. 1 TD 0 Ints 6 rushes, 25 yrds. (at Seattle)

Week 17- 16/27 171 yrds. 1 TD 0 Ints 5 rushes, 23 yrds. (vs. Pittsburgh)

For his first two starts, this doesn't look so bad to me.

I'm not even a Ravens fan, but even I have seen more than enough of Boller. He just plain stinks.
Two games and he didn't break the 200 yard mark? That's good? Sure, he didn't throw any picks which is great, but still these games don't look all that impressive to me...
Those are perfect numbers to win games in Baltimore. The QB doesn't need to win games. He just doesn't want to be the guy that loses them. If you want a QB to throw for 400 yards, then blow up the offense and start over. I'll stick to the QB that makes good decisions and doesn't hand the ball to the other team. I've got a good running game and good defense. My QB just needs to keep the other team honest.
 
TheFanatic said:
Personally, I think it would be in the Ravens best interest to give Troy Smith his opportunity, groom Flacco while at QB3, and keep Boller at QB2.

Regardless of Smith's height issue, he's a decent QB and a playmaker. I think he can provide the spark they desperately need.

He also adds a dimension to the offense with his mobility.

In the little time he got to see the field at the end of last season (as a rookie), I thought he played pretty well.

Week 16- 16/33 199 yrds. 1 TD 0 Ints 6 rushes, 25 yrds. (at Seattle)

Week 17- 16/27 171 yrds. 1 TD 0 Ints 5 rushes, 23 yrds. (vs. Pittsburgh)

For his first two starts, this doesn't look so bad to me.

I'm not even a Ravens fan, but even I have seen more than enough of Boller. He just plain stinks.
Two games and he didn't break the 200 yard mark? That's good? Sure, he didn't throw any picks which is great, but still these games don't look all that impressive to me...
Those are perfect numbers to win games in Baltimore. The QB doesn't need to win games. He just doesn't want to be the guy that loses them. If you want a QB to throw for 400 yards, then blow up the offense and start over. I'll stick to the QB that makes good decisions and doesn't hand the ball to the other team. I've got a good running game and good defense. My QB just needs to keep the other team honest.
Where is the good defense?
 
ESPECIALLY SINCE HE HAS MEMORIZED THE PLAYBOOK ALREADY!
I believe you wanted to use the word 'allowed' instead of the bolded one. You seem very sure of Flacco's current ability to remember the playbook. Do you have any specific knowledge of the situation?
While there's several stories out there that discuss Flacco and Cameron's new playbook, there isn't one that uses the word memorized. So, I'm doubtful of North's source, but also interested in a link.Some stuff gleaned from the articles: All three QBs agree the new playbook is thick. Flacco took it home and has been able to study it for about six weeks. He uses family members as teammates and practices the plays, but admits this is a far cry from being able to run them with the Ravens. In the first set of practices they threw everything at him, he played well, but there were no reports that he had some unusual total recall of the playbook. For the second OTA...

Cameron said that he has simplified the plays for Flacco, tailoring schemes to mirror what he ran in college to ease his transition to the NFL.

"We’ve always done that with young quarterbacks so they really don’t have to perform and learn at the same time so much," Cameron said. "A lot of the stuff he’s doing he should be able to perform at a high level because it’s stuff he’s done in college. Once he gets his feet on the ground and starts to learn NFL defenses, then we start demanding more in terms of what we want to do different than what he did in college."
So they've simplified things for him. There's no indication that he has the playbook down. Fwiw, I too am a long time Troy Smith fan. I have no idea who is going to win the starting job to open the season, and by all accounts it is an open competition. I doubt they go with Boller again unless both Smith and Flacco are nowhere near him. I find that scenario highly unlikely. If it's close between another and Boller the other will probably get the nod just because they know Boller and need change. All three of them are new to the playbook, so this a situation where a rookie has a little better shot than usual. But my guess is they decide to coddle the first round rookie, and throw the second day sophomore to the wolves early. Just guessing, but I feel like it's about 60% Smith starts, 30% Flacco, 10% Boller.

The Ravens went 5-11 last year. Looking at the schedule, I expect similar results. If I'm right, then Smith gets yanked for the rook at some point. If Smith starts the season he first gets the other three division opponents and @Houston (with Pitt also a road game). It's not brutal. It's not easy. It's a good test. He has to keep them in solid playoff contention through the bye week (week 10) to keep the job. Ten, Ind, Mia, Oak, Cle get them to the bye. Again, not easy. Not brutal. Still as much as I like Smith, I think he falters, and Flacco gets his chance at some point. If it's after the bye Flacco will be truly thrown to the wolves. The last seven games include the entire NFC east, Jax and Pitt.

I don't worry about Troy Smith's height. He is more mobile than Brees and has similar if not better arm strength (accuracy and correct reads will be the deciding factor). I think they are pretty similar players. They both have tremendous poise, confidence and leadership ability. But I also think this is probably happening too soon for Smith. Brees had two full seasons to struggle after his rookie year and before Rivers arrived. In his fourth season he barely won the job from Rivers who held out through part of preseason. Brees had a great year that salvaged/launched his career. Smith won't have two seasons to flounder. He'll have between 4 and 9 games depending on results. If they hit the bye week in the hunt, he'll have every opportunity to close the season.

The carts way ahead of the horses here. To me it's one of the most interesting situations out there, imo.

:thumbup:
Good stuff, Chaos. And this right here is one of the reasons I started this topic.
 
TheFanatic said:
Personally, I think it would be in the Ravens best interest to give Troy Smith his opportunity, groom Flacco while at QB3, and keep Boller at QB2.

Regardless of Smith's height issue, he's a decent QB and a playmaker. I think he can provide the spark they desperately need.

He also adds a dimension to the offense with his mobility.

In the little time he got to see the field at the end of last season (as a rookie), I thought he played pretty well.

Week 16- 16/33 199 yrds. 1 TD 0 Ints 6 rushes, 25 yrds. (at Seattle)

Week 17- 16/27 171 yrds. 1 TD 0 Ints 5 rushes, 23 yrds. (vs. Pittsburgh)

For his first two starts, this doesn't look so bad to me.

I'm not even a Ravens fan, but even I have seen more than enough of Boller. He just plain stinks.
Two games and he didn't break the 200 yard mark? That's good? Sure, he didn't throw any picks which is great, but still these games don't look all that impressive to me...
Those are perfect numbers to win games in Baltimore. The QB doesn't need to win games. He just doesn't want to be the guy that loses them. If you want a QB to throw for 400 yards, then blow up the offense and start over. I'll stick to the QB that makes good decisions and doesn't hand the ball to the other team. I've got a good running game and good defense. My QB just needs to keep the other team honest.
Where is the good defense?
They may be aging and not what they once were, but they are plenty good enough to win football games. They look worse than they are because the offense is inept and the only reason the running game is inept is because everyone knows that if they stuff the box the Ravens will do something stupid in the passing game.I know your stats guy chase but I know your also one of the first guys to say that numbers are mis-leading.

 
TheFanatic said:
Personally, I think it would be in the Ravens best interest to give Troy Smith his opportunity, groom Flacco while at QB3, and keep Boller at QB2.

Regardless of Smith's height issue, he's a decent QB and a playmaker. I think he can provide the spark they desperately need.

He also adds a dimension to the offense with his mobility.

In the little time he got to see the field at the end of last season (as a rookie), I thought he played pretty well.

Week 16- 16/33 199 yrds. 1 TD 0 Ints 6 rushes, 25 yrds. (at Seattle)

Week 17- 16/27 171 yrds. 1 TD 0 Ints 5 rushes, 23 yrds. (vs. Pittsburgh)

For his first two starts, this doesn't look so bad to me.

I'm not even a Ravens fan, but even I have seen more than enough of Boller. He just plain stinks.
Two games and he didn't break the 200 yard mark? That's good? Sure, he didn't throw any picks which is great, but still these games don't look all that impressive to me...
Those are perfect numbers to win games in Baltimore. The QB doesn't need to win games. He just doesn't want to be the guy that loses them. If you want a QB to throw for 400 yards, then blow up the offense and start over. I'll stick to the QB that makes good decisions and doesn't hand the ball to the other team. I've got a good running game and good defense. My QB just needs to keep the other team honest.
Where is the good defense?
They may be aging and not what they once were, but they are plenty good enough to win football games. They look worse than they are because the offense is inept and the only reason the running game is inept is because everyone knows that if they stuff the box the Ravens will do something stupid in the passing game.I know your stats guy chase but I know your also one of the first guys to say that numbers are mis-leading.
I'm not too concerned with what the stats say, the Ravens pass D is one of the very worst in the league, the rush defense is mediocre, and outside of Suggs (who was bad last year), they have no pass rush. If Rolle and McAllister were at full strength, sure, but are they? Is Lewis anywhere near what he used to be?The D was a liability last year, and it may be this year, too.

 
I do believe that Troy will get the start week 1 unless he is outplayed in the preseason by Flacco. Do I think it is the right thing for the team to do considering they probably won't make the playoffs? Yes and No, but they might as well give Smith a shot especially with an inexperienced offensive line.

My point was that in my opinion the biggest flaw of Flaccos game is that coming from Div. II he will take time to adjust to NFL speed. He won't get that adjustment in practice or watching from the bench, only from live game situations. If they are going to miss the playoffs (my opinion regardless of who starts at QB) why not give Flacco a shot so he can get use to the speed? I do see Smith starting but hopefully Flacco will make more starts this season than any other QB on the roster.

I won't reveal my previous source concerning the playbook, but my friend who works for the team has told me that they are very impressed with Flaccos ability grasp the new playbook (faster then the other QB's). Flaccos above average wonderlic scores along with his effortless deep ball and running speed sold the Ravens, who will give him every chance to be the franchise QB.

 
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Personally, I think it would be in the Ravens best interest to give Troy Smith his opportunity, groom Flacco while at QB3, and keep Boller at QB2.

Regardless of Smith's height issue, he's a decent QB and a playmaker. I think he can provide the spark they desperately need.

He also adds a dimension to the offense with his mobility.

In the little time he got to see the field at the end of last season (as a rookie), I thought he played pretty well.

Week 16- 16/33 199 yrds. 1 TD 0 Ints 6 rushes, 25 yrds. (at Seattle)

Week 17- 16/27 171 yrds. 1 TD 0 Ints 5 rushes, 23 yrds. (vs. Pittsburgh)

For his first two starts, this doesn't look so bad to me.

I'm not even a Ravens fan, but even I have seen more than enough of Boller. He just plain stinks.
Two games and he didn't break the 200 yard mark? That's good? Sure, he didn't throw any picks which is great, but still these games don't look all that impressive to me...
Those are perfect numbers to win games in Baltimore. The QB doesn't need to win games. He just doesn't want to be the guy that loses them. If you want a QB to throw for 400 yards, then blow up the offense and start over. I'll stick to the QB that makes good decisions and doesn't hand the ball to the other team. I've got a good running game and good defense. My QB just needs to keep the other team honest.
Where is the good defense?
They may be aging and not what they once were, but they are plenty good enough to win football games. They look worse than they are because the offense is inept and the only reason the running game is inept is because everyone knows that if they stuff the box the Ravens will do something stupid in the passing game.I know your stats guy chase but I know your also one of the first guys to say that numbers are mis-leading.
I'm not too concerned with what the stats say, the Ravens pass D is one of the very worst in the league, the rush defense is mediocre, and outside of Suggs (who was bad last year), they have no pass rush. If Rolle and McAllister were at full strength, sure, but are they? Is Lewis anywhere near what he used to be?The D was a liability last year, and it may be this year, too.
Lewis I think is pretty much done, but I haven't written off the DB's yet. Maybe that's why our opinions differ. I don't think the Ravens Def is elite anymore, but I do still think they are above average. It's hard to grade the pass rush when every WR is open at the snap of the ball. I still think that the Ravens are a solid QB away from respectability.
 
Troy Smith will be the starting QB next year and Baltimore will realize they wasted a pick on Flacco. We all know Boller isn't good.

Troy Smith has that extra ability that will make him succeed in the NFL. Flacco just has a strong arm.

He is a great buy low candidate and a nice QB to stash on your bench in case of bye week problems.

 
Troy Smith will be the starting QB next year and Baltimore will realize they wasted a pick on Flacco. We all know Boller isn't good. Troy Smith has that extra ability that will make him succeed in the NFL. Flacco just has a strong arm.He is a great buy low candidate and a nice QB to stash on your bench in case of bye week problems.
Yep, and the Ravens "bye" isn't until week 10, so there will be plenty of opportunities if he's on the waiver wire.
 
And here he comes-

Second-year Baltimore Ravens QB Troy Smith has made such huge strides this spring that he has passed up Kyle Boller as the odds-on favorite to be the Ravens opening-day starter. Smith has excited Ravens brass with his rapid development after starting the final two games of 2007, and it's understood that there will be no competition between him and Boller in camp. OC Cam Cameron has Smith moving around and throwing on the run, in part to better utilize his athleticism and minimize the problems the 6-foot Smith has in finding clear throwing lanes. Rookie QB Joe Flacco seems to be Smith's only competition for the Week 1 starting job.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writ...7/ravens/2.html

 

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