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Player Spotlight: Brandon Jacobs (1 Viewer)

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Jason Wood

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I will base this on Jacobs starting 12 games...last year he was healthy enough to start 9.

240 carries, 1,080 yds 8TDs

24 catches 200 yds

1,280 total yds and 8 TDs

Bradshaw will get his looks too especially out of the backfield.

 
Brandon Jacobs represents some solid value this season IMO. A lot of people will be scared off by the emergence of Derrick Ward and Ahmad Bradshaw. I see Jacobs getting the majority of the work, with Bradshaw being the change of pace back. I predict around a 70-30 split between the two, with Ward playing the back up role to Jacobs. He was fed the ball 18 times a game last year when healthy so we know that the coaching staff trusts him to be the primary ball carrier for this team. Hes a bruising runner, with very deceptive speed. He should get all the goal line work as he is a great short yardage guy. I would be happy with Jacobs as a RB2.

288/1325/9 28/266/0

 
B. Jacobs

Assuming he playes a full season ...

Number of Rushes 300, Number of yrds 1,350, Rushing TDs 8, Number of receptions 25, reception yrds 212, reception TD 1.

 
Jacobs had an opportunity to earn the full-time feature RB role for the Giants last season and he failed. Let’s look at the primary reasons why, then determine what type of role he’ll have going forward:

“Somebody call a doctor...again”

FACT: Jacobs missed five complete games and failed to complete several others. He had knee issues, hamstring issues, shoulder issues, and even had his wrist operated on in the off-season. He couldn’t even make it through the previous season without getting hurt and he had fewer than a hundred carries that year. Jacobs is not an injury risk, he is an injury guarantee.

“Clocks have better hands”

FACT: Jacobs was the leader in dropped passes for the Giants. In fact, he ranked 9th in the entire league in drops, but the even more shocking thing about that statistic is that he had so few targets compared to his peers for that category.

Here are the top RB's in the NFL for Dropped Passes:

1 Reggie Bush - 10 drops on 98 targets

2 Brian Westbrook - 9 drops on 120 targets

3 Brandon Jacobs - 8 drops on 38 targets

You read that correctly…Jacobs dropped over 20% of the passes thrown to him. Not coincidentally, Derrick Ward set the pace for the Giants’ RB corps in receptions and yardage, despite only eight games played.

“When the going gets tough, give it to Bradshaw”

FACT: In the playoffs, Bradshaw averaged a full yard per carry more than Jacobs, and outperformed him rushing against the toughest opponents the Giants faced.

Game 1 -- Bradshaw 17 carries for 66 yds (3.9 ypc) > Jacobs 13 carries for 34 yards (2.6 ypc)

Game 2 -- Bradshaw 6 carries for 34 yds (5.7 ypc) > Jacobs 14 carries for 54 (3.9 ypc)

Game 3 -- Bradshaw 16 carries for 63 yds (3.9 ypc) > Jacobs 21 carries for 67 yards (3.2 ypc)

Game 4 -- Bradshaw 9 carries for 45 yds (5.0 ypc) > Jacobs 14 carries for 42 yards (3.0 ypc)

Four game totals in the playoffs -

Bradshaw: 48 carries, 208 yds for 4.3 YPC

Jacobs: 62 carries, 197 yds for 3.2 YPC

The most important thing not shown in those stats is that the Giants were going with Bradshaw at the end of those playoff games, particularly against the Bucs and Packers. (Also, Bradshaw had a much better YPC than Jacobs in the regular season, albeit a limited sample size. However, when the two backs played against the same competition, Bradshaw drastically outperformed Jacobs.)

“There must be an end zone around here somewhere”

FACT: Jacobs was routinely pulled at the stripe in favor of Reuben Droughns last year, and it was Droughns who set the pace for the Giants as the leading TD scorer on the ground. Even worse, Jacobs 2006 rushing total of nine plummeted to a mere four last season.

CONCLUSION:

Knowing that Bradshaw will be getting a much larger share of the work (see playoffs), Ward will be healthy (excellent COP back and primary reception option), and Droughns is still under contract (goal line vulture), there isn’t much left for Jacobs even if he does manage to stay healthy (unlikely based on his past history).

144 carries for 605 yards (4.2 YPC) and 3 TD’s

9 receptions for 68 yards and 0 TD

 
As a Jacobs owner I would love to see him return to the previous roll he played as Tiki's compliment. Personally I think Bradshaw showing up on the scene could be the best thing that happened to Jacobs since Tiki. With Bradshaw playing more of a roll, Jacobs stands a much better chance of not getting hurt. Jacobs is a huge man, and he gets worn out too quickly trying to move that massive body of his. He was pulled quite often due to long runs that took his wind as well. If Jacobs were fresh and healthy I think Droughns would have been sitting on the pine.

The Giants did change things up and threw Bradshaw out there in the playoffs. Did he do well because he was flat better or because teams didn't (1)gameplan much for him? (2) he was healthy? (3) he had fresher legs? There are many factors we would need to consider before crowning Bradshaw the next great Giants RB.

I would put Jacobs more in the MBIII roll (run people over) than the roll he was in last year trying to avoid hits in the open field. Jacobs is a masher, and that lends itself to more injury and a shorter RB life in the NFL especially if the Giants try to make him something he isn't.

With a healthy body and fresh legs inside the 20 again...I'd hate to be a linebacker or DB between him and the goal-line when he busts through the line of scrimmage. Here is to Jacobs returning to his 40 yards with 2 TD/goal-line monster/6 points per TD stealing ways.

225 carries/900 yards/10 TD's

5 passes /10 yards/1 TD :excited:

Great RB2 #'s

 
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I'm a little surprised by the lack of man-love thus far for Jacobs. While he is certainly not without his question marks that revolve in large part around durability - when he was on the field last season, he was an out-and-out beast.

H.K. brings up a good point. Jacobs missed time in 3 games that he played; Dallas, Atlanta, Detroit. Those are the games that frustrate you the most. When you know a guy is going to miss a game, at least you plan for it. So, you do have to question Jacobs toughness a bit. However, when you have/had depth at the RB position like the Giants do/did...you can be a little cautious in marching key guys out there who are nicked up. That said, you want a guy like Jacobs, as big as he is, to not take no for an answer.

If you look at what Jacobs did in 9.75 games last year, he was dominant.

1183 Total Yards & 6 TD's

Broken down over a 16 game season...

1941 Total Yards & 10 TD's

Let's also take these factors into account:

1) 2007 was Jacobs first year as the bell cow. At this time last year, there were questions as to whether he could be effective in this role. I think he answered those questions when he was on the field.

2) As such, it's certainly possible that Jacobs did suffer from stamina issues once the play-offs rolled around because his performance was underwhelming.

3) Jacobs carries projected over a 16 game season would have been 331. Ward, Droughns and Bradshaw were tremendous in filling in for Jacobs when he was hurt. But when Jacobs played, he was the man.

4) Droughns, who was the primary TD vulture in NY in 2007, is questionable to make the team since in the discussions with the Falcons about DeAngelo Hall, the Giants balked at including Danny Ware in the deal. It may have been them just blowing smoke, but even without that info tidbit, Droughns place on the Giants with Bradshaw's emergence is tenuous. Perhaps Ward becomes that player - but I think Jacobs will see more chances by the goal line.

I do think the Giants will be a little more diverse in their rushing attack this year, but not at an inordinate expense to Jacobs. I also see that Jacobs became a bigger threat in the passing game as the year wore on (140 receiving yards & 2 TD's in last 5 regular season games) so he's not just a battering ram. While Bradshaw particularly will find himself a nice niche with the Giants, I'll venture to say, that I expect a bit more durability out of Jacobs this year and a solid progression in his game.

Prediction: 254 carries 1174 Rushing Yards 10 TD's, 26 receptions 201 Receiving Yards, 1 TD.

 
His running style is very rugged and hard on his body, which will shorten his career and also cause him to miss games in virtually every season he plays. Staying with my policy, however, of not predicting injuries in my projections, my 16-game projections are:

290/1305/11

30/210/1

I just don't think he's going to play 16 games though. I also think he's going to lose some carries to Bradshaw and Ward in an effort to keep him intact.

 
Since Tom Coughlin has been coach, the Giants have averaged around 450 runs per year. I predict Jacobs to get about 50% of the carries, mostly on 1st and 2nd down and between the 20's. So....

220 carries 990 yards 4 TDs

15 recs 150 yards 1 TD

 
css2373 said:
Since Tom Coughlin has been coach, the Giants have averaged around 450 runs per year. I predict Jacobs to get about 50% of the carries, mostly on 1st and 2nd down and between the 20's. So....220 carries 990 yards 4 TDs15 recs 150 yards 1 TD
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Between the 20's or inside the 20's? I just don't see Jacobs dropping to 4 rushing TD's OR losing goal-line carries.
 
Scooby1974 said:
css2373 said:
Since Tom Coughlin has been coach, the Giants have averaged around 450 runs per year. I predict Jacobs to get about 50% of the carries, mostly on 1st and 2nd down and between the 20's. So....220 carries 990 yards 4 TDs15 recs 150 yards 1 TD
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Between the 20's or inside the 20's? I just don't see Jacobs dropping to 4 rushing TD's OR losing goal-line carries.
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Last year, he was about even in red zone looks with Derrick Ward and Rueben Droughns and Droughns had the majority of goal line carries.
 
css2373 said:
Scooby1974 said:
css2373 said:
Since Tom Coughlin has been coach, the Giants have averaged around 450 runs per year. I predict Jacobs to get about 50% of the carries, mostly on 1st and 2nd down and between the 20's. So....220 carries 990 yards 4 TDs15 recs 150 yards 1 TD
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Between the 20's or inside the 20's? I just don't see Jacobs dropping to 4 rushing TD's OR losing goal-line carries.
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Last year, he was about even in red zone looks with Derrick Ward and Rueben Droughns and Droughns had the majority of goal line carries.
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Last year he missed 3 total games, large parts of 2 other games, and carried the load so he was worn out by the time he got to the red zone. I see the Giants going back to a 60/30/10 split for Jacobs/Bradshaw/rest of the clowns to take some beating off Jacobs. He will still get the majority of carries.just my $.02
 
css2373 said:
Scooby1974 said:
css2373 said:
Since Tom Coughlin has been coach, the Giants have averaged around 450 runs per year. I predict Jacobs to get about 50% of the carries, mostly on 1st and 2nd down and between the 20's. So....

220 carries 990 yards 4 TDs

15 recs 150 yards 1 TD
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Between the 20's or inside the 20's? I just don't see Jacobs dropping to 4 rushing TD's OR losing goal-line carries.
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Last year, he was about even in red zone looks with Derrick Ward and Rueben Droughns and Droughns had the majority of goal line carries.
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:goodposting: According to FBG, this was the 2007 Goal Line carry distribution:

1 Reuben Droughns - 14 carries 6 TD

2 Brandon Jacobs - 3 carries 1 TD

3 Derrick Ward - 2 carries 1 TD

 
H.K. said:
Jacobs had an opportunity to earn the full-time feature RB role for the Giants last season and he failed. Let’s look at the primary reasons why, then determine what type of role he’ll have going forward:

“Somebody call a doctor...again”

FACT: Jacobs missed five complete games and failed to complete several others. He had knee issues, hamstring issues, shoulder issues, and even had his wrist operated on in the off-season. He couldn’t even make it through the previous season without getting hurt and he had fewer than a hundred carries that year. Jacobs is not an injury risk, he is an injury guarantee.

“Clocks have better hands”

FACT: Jacobs was the leader in dropped passes for the Giants. In fact, he ranked 9th in the entire league in drops, but the even more shocking thing about that statistic is that he had so few targets compared to his peers for that category.

Here are the top RB's in the NFL for Dropped Passes:

1 Reggie Bush - 10 drops on 98 targets

2 Brian Westbrook - 9 drops on 120 targets

3 Brandon Jacobs - 8 drops on 38 targets

You read that correctly…Jacobs dropped over 20% of the passes thrown to him. Not coincidentally, Derrick Ward set the pace for the Giants’ RB corps in receptions and yardage, despite only eight games played.

“When the going gets tough, give it to Bradshaw”

FACT: In the playoffs, Bradshaw averaged a full yard per carry more than Jacobs, and outperformed him rushing against the toughest opponents the Giants faced.

Game 1 -- Bradshaw 17 carries for 66 yds (3.9 ypc) > Jacobs 13 carries for 34 yards (2.6 ypc)

Game 2 -- Bradshaw 6 carries for 34 yds (5.7 ypc) > Jacobs 14 carries for 54 (3.9 ypc)

Game 3 -- Bradshaw 16 carries for 63 yds (3.9 ypc) > Jacobs 21 carries for 67 yards (3.2 ypc)

Game 4 -- Bradshaw 9 carries for 45 yds (5.0 ypc) > Jacobs 14 carries for 42 yards (3.0 ypc)

Four game totals in the playoffs -

Bradshaw: 48 carries, 208 yds for 4.3 YPC

Jacobs: 62 carries, 197 yds for 3.2 YPC

The most important thing not shown in those stats is that the Giants were going with Bradshaw at the end of those playoff games, particularly against the Bucs and Packers. (Also, Bradshaw had a much better YPC than Jacobs in the regular season, albeit a limited sample size. However, when the two backs played against the same competition, Bradshaw drastically outperformed Jacobs.)

“There must be an end zone around here somewhere”

FACT: Jacobs was routinely pulled at the stripe in favor of Reuben Droughns last year, and it was Droughns who set the pace for the Giants as the leading TD scorer on the ground. Even worse, Jacobs 2006 rushing total of nine plummeted to a mere four last season.

CONCLUSION:

Knowing that Bradshaw will be getting a much larger share of the work (see playoffs), Ward will be healthy (excellent COP back and primary reception option), and Droughns is still under contract (goal line vulture), there isn’t much left for Jacobs even if he does manage to stay healthy (unlikely based on his past history).

144 carries for 605 yards (4.2 YPC) and 3 TD’s

9 receptions for 68 yards and 0 TD
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Nice writeup. Wasn't he one of your CHUG keepers?Maybe you should trade for one of Randy Moss, Romo, or Michael Turner this year.

 
One of the hardest RBs to bring down for 4 quarters, in the NFL. One of the hardest RBs for a team to keep healthy.

His game is bowling people over and using his large frame which seems even bigger than it is at times. I remember Osi being quoted saying guys didn't want to tackle him in practice.

Ward is big too and Reuben Droughns is a fairly good size as well. The Giants can really really pound a defense. Running the very same plays against the very same D, their backs seem ordinary in the first Q and great in the 4th because the D is worn down. They have another weapon in Ahmad Bradshaw. Ahmad Bradshaw's speed was too much for tired Ds in the playoffs last year.

It's a great system for using the RBs to wear down a D. It's not very good for FF. It's not about average YPC, it's about dishing out some hard hits and controlling the 4th Q.

Brandon will probably get 1000 yards again, miss a handful of starts, and maybe score 6-7 TDs. While he's a terrific goalline back that almost seems like he could probably score a TD a week, that's not his role. He's just "laying the wood".

It's completely different than some runningback with pretty moves that runs all around a D each week.

 
I was definitely more impressed with Jacobs last year than I expected to be. He falls outside of the typical height/weight range of NFL RBs, but man, he was really good when he got the ball 20+ times last year. 5.0 YPC is really impressive for a power RB.

I think that Bradshaw showed enough in 2007 to warrant some touches in 2008, but he will likely be a clear COP as long as Jacobs is healthy (which is the big ?, I know). The fact that Droughns received the goal line carries last year is a red flag, but Jacobs was effective at the stripe in 2005/2006, so it isn't too disturbing.

I'll project a slight uptick in touches for Jacobs, and also think he'll be used more at the goal line this year.

225 carries for 1080 yards, 25 catches for 200 yards, and 9 total TDs

 
H.K. said:
Jacobs had an opportunity to earn the full-time feature RB role for the Giants last season and he failed. Let’s look at the primary reasons why, then determine what type of role he’ll have going forward:

“Somebody call a doctor...again”

FACT: Jacobs missed five complete games and failed to complete several others. He had knee issues, hamstring issues, shoulder issues, and even had his wrist operated on in the off-season. He couldn’t even make it through the previous season without getting hurt and he had fewer than a hundred carries that year. Jacobs is not an injury risk, he is an injury guarantee.

“Clocks have better hands”

FACT: Jacobs was the leader in dropped passes for the Giants. In fact, he ranked 9th in the entire league in drops, but the even more shocking thing about that statistic is that he had so few targets compared to his peers for that category.

Here are the top RB's in the NFL for Dropped Passes:

1 Reggie Bush - 10 drops on 98 targets

2 Brian Westbrook - 9 drops on 120 targets

3 Brandon Jacobs - 8 drops on 38 targets

You read that correctly…Jacobs dropped over 20% of the passes thrown to him. Not coincidentally, Derrick Ward set the pace for the Giants’ RB corps in receptions and yardage, despite only eight games played.

“When the going gets tough, give it to Bradshaw”

FACT: In the playoffs, Bradshaw averaged a full yard per carry more than Jacobs, and outperformed him rushing against the toughest opponents the Giants faced.

Game 1 -- Bradshaw 17 carries for 66 yds (3.9 ypc) > Jacobs 13 carries for 34 yards (2.6 ypc)

Game 2 -- Bradshaw 6 carries for 34 yds (5.7 ypc) > Jacobs 14 carries for 54 (3.9 ypc)

Game 3 -- Bradshaw 16 carries for 63 yds (3.9 ypc) > Jacobs 21 carries for 67 yards (3.2 ypc)

Game 4 -- Bradshaw 9 carries for 45 yds (5.0 ypc) > Jacobs 14 carries for 42 yards (3.0 ypc)

Four game totals in the playoffs -

Bradshaw: 48 carries, 208 yds for 4.3 YPC

Jacobs: 62 carries, 197 yds for 3.2 YPC

The most important thing not shown in those stats is that the Giants were going with Bradshaw at the end of those playoff games, particularly against the Bucs and Packers. (Also, Bradshaw had a much better YPC than Jacobs in the regular season, albeit a limited sample size. However, when the two backs played against the same competition, Bradshaw drastically outperformed Jacobs.)

“There must be an end zone around here somewhere”

FACT: Jacobs was routinely pulled at the stripe in favor of Reuben Droughns last year, and it was Droughns who set the pace for the Giants as the leading TD scorer on the ground. Even worse, Jacobs 2006 rushing total of nine plummeted to a mere four last season.

CONCLUSION:

Knowing that Bradshaw will be getting a much larger share of the work (see playoffs), Ward will be healthy (excellent COP back and primary reception option), and Droughns is still under contract (goal line vulture), there isn’t much left for Jacobs even if he does manage to stay healthy (unlikely based on his past history).

144 carries for 605 yards (4.2 YPC) and 3 TD’s

9 receptions for 68 yards and 0 TD
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what a great well thought out post, you've convinced me GB
 
Jacobs is injury prone, but the damage was limited because Jacobs was clearly out in the games he missed, and produced at least RB2 numbers in the games he played, except the first game of the season. If you were able to get Ward on the WW in week 2, you basically got RB1 numbers from the duo all year, and clarity on who was starting in any given week (except the minnesota game, which both missed, but who wants to start RBs vs MIN?). This year the picture is a little cloudier with Bradshaw probably playing a bigger role than Ward, but still there's no denying that if you plugged Jacobs in when you knew he was playing, he definitely justified his ADP last year, so he should this year. Another plus is that Droughns is probably not going to make it as the 4th RBs, so Jacobs *should* get the GL work, like he did in the playoffs.

 
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Sigmund Bloom said:
Jacobs is injury prone, but the damage was limited because Jacobs was clearly out in the games he missed, and produced at least RB2 numbers in the games he played, except the first game of the season. If you were able to get Ward on the WW in week 2, you basically got RB1 numbers from the duo all year, and clarity on who was starting in any given week (except the minnesota game, which both missed, but who wants to start RBs vs MIN?). This year the picture is a little cloudier with Bradshaw probably playing a bigger role than Ward, but still there's no denying that if you plugged Jacobs in when you knew he was playing, he definitely justified his ADP last year, so he should this year. Another plus is that Droughns is probably not going to make it as the 4th RBs, so Jacobs *should* get the GL work, like he did in the playoffs.
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i was anticipating a big year from jacobs this year. i know he was hurt for most of last season, but is he really injury prone? i really haven't looked into his past... does he have a history of injuries?
 
burd said:
Sigmund Bloom said:
Jacobs is injury prone, but the damage was limited because Jacobs was clearly out in the games he missed, and produced at least RB2 numbers in the games he played, except the first game of the season. If you were able to get Ward on the WW in week 2, you basically got RB1 numbers from the duo all year, and clarity on who was starting in any given week (except the minnesota game, which both missed, but who wants to start RBs vs MIN?). This year the picture is a little cloudier with Bradshaw probably playing a bigger role than Ward, but still there's no denying that if you plugged Jacobs in when you knew he was playing, he definitely justified his ADP last year, so he should this year. Another plus is that Droughns is probably not going to make it as the 4th RBs, so Jacobs *should* get the GL work, like he did in the playoffs.
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i was anticipating a big year from jacobs this year. i know he was hurt for most of last season, but is he really injury prone? i really haven't looked into his past... does he have a history of injuries?
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He doesn't have a history of missing many games aside from last year, but he tends to get nicked up and be hindered by injuries. Given that he runs to contact in a way reminiscent of Eddie George and Christian Okoye, that's not really surprising. The NFL life of such a RB is not a very long one.
 
burd said:
Sigmund Bloom said:
Jacobs is injury prone, but the damage was limited because Jacobs was clearly out in the games he missed, and produced at least RB2 numbers in the games he played, except the first game of the season. If you were able to get Ward on the WW in week 2, you basically got RB1 numbers from the duo all year, and clarity on who was starting in any given week (except the minnesota game, which both missed, but who wants to start RBs vs MIN?). This year the picture is a little cloudier with Bradshaw probably playing a bigger role than Ward, but still there's no denying that if you plugged Jacobs in when you knew he was playing, he definitely justified his ADP last year, so he should this year. Another plus is that Droughns is probably not going to make it as the 4th RBs, so Jacobs *should* get the GL work, like he did in the playoffs.
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i was anticipating a big year from jacobs this year. i know he was hurt for most of last season, but is he really injury prone? i really haven't looked into his past... does he have a history of injuries?
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He was injury prone last year - Jacobs runs violently and inflicts a lot of damage, but there's a lot to hit. Still, if it goes like last year, and Bradshaw ends up being something resembling a primary backup, you can take Jacobs in the 3rd/4th and Bradshaw in the 8th/9th and get RB1 production.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Another plus is that Droughns is probably not going to make it as the 4th RBs, so Jacobs *should* get the GL work, like he did in the playoffs.
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Any chance Droughns sticks around as a FB? They had him working there last year before they picked up Hedgecock.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
burd said:
Sigmund Bloom said:
Jacobs is injury prone, but the damage was limited because Jacobs was clearly out in the games he missed, and produced at least RB2 numbers in the games he played, except the first game of the season. If you were able to get Ward on the WW in week 2, you basically got RB1 numbers from the duo all year, and clarity on who was starting in any given week (except the minnesota game, which both missed, but who wants to start RBs vs MIN?). This year the picture is a little cloudier with Bradshaw probably playing a bigger role than Ward, but still there's no denying that if you plugged Jacobs in when you knew he was playing, he definitely justified his ADP last year, so he should this year. Another plus is that Droughns is probably not going to make it as the 4th RBs, so Jacobs *should* get the GL work, like he did in the playoffs.
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i was anticipating a big year from jacobs this year. i know he was hurt for most of last season, but is he really injury prone? i really haven't looked into his past... does he have a history of injuries?
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He was injury prone last year - Jacobs runs violently and inflicts a lot of damage, but there's a lot to hit. Still, if it goes like last year, and Bradshaw ends up being something resembling a primary backup, you can take Jacobs in the 3rd/4th and Bradshaw in the 8th/9th and get RB1 production.
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You must have missed the part about Jacobs not finishing some games. So, are you going to start Bradshaw and Jacobs each week to get that RB1 production?
 
Boone22 said:
Sigmund Bloom said:
Another plus is that Droughns is probably not going to make it as the 4th RBs, so Jacobs *should* get the GL work, like he did in the playoffs.
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Any chance Droughns sticks around as a FB? They had him working there last year before they picked up Hedgecock.
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1 mil to a backup fullback seems like a lot, and Droughns isnt even a true fullback. If they carry a 4th RB, I think it'll be Ware, not Droughns, and if they want a backup fullback, i think they can get one a lot cheaper and better suited for lead blocking.
 
Brandon Jacobs is a tough player to project. To me, it's clear he's the best running back on the team and when he's healthy, he makes a huge impact on the game. I remember in week 17 vs. the Patriots when he would get to the edge and square up his shoulders and take on Patriot defenders, those guys were not happy to have to meet this guy. The earlier you get to Jacobs in the play, the better. I'm projecting a big year for Jacobs, he has the talent just needs to play 16 games.

1200 yards rushing, 7 td's, 30 receptions and 2 td's

 
I know that Brandon Jacobs has a punishing running style but I wouldn't say that he's injury-prone. The most serious injury happened when someone rolled up on his knee in the first game of the season. That can happen to anybody.

I'm more concerned about how many carriers he'll receive opposed to Bradshaw and Ward especially on the goal-line. If he gets most of those he could have a big year but I just don't know.

290/1305/4-12

30/250/1

I don't there's any question that if healthy he's going to get his yards. The question is will he be able to get the touchdowns.

 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Brandon Jacobs is a tough player to project. To me, it's clear he's the best running back on the team and when he's healthy, he makes a huge impact on the game. I remember in week 17 vs. the Patriots when he would get to the edge and square up his shoulders and take on Patriot defenders, those guys were not happy to have to meet this guy. The earlier you get to Jacobs in the play, the better. I'm projecting a big year for Jacobs, he has the talent just needs to play 16 games.1200 yards rushing, 7 td's, 30 receptions and 2 td's
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:thumbup:1284 rushing7 TD23 catches184 yards1 TD
 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Brandon Jacobs is a tough player to project. To me, it's clear he's the best running back on the team and when he's healthy, he makes a huge impact on the game. I remember in week 17 vs. the Patriots when he would get to the edge and square up his shoulders and take on Patriot defenders, those guys were not happy to have to meet this guy. The earlier you get to Jacobs in the play, the better. I'm projecting a big year for Jacobs, he has the talent just needs to play 16 games.

1200 yards rushing, 7 td's, 30 receptions and 2 td's
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No doubt he's extremely talented, but Im not so sure that Bradshaw isnt the better back. I think he'll be extremely limited in the passing game this year and be somewhere in the 35-55% of carries range, depending on injuries. However, he'll offset these negatives with returning to the goaline role he enjoyed in years past. Overall, I see the value of the Giants running game being split between him and Bradshaw, with neither regularly being RB1 contributors.
 
got this email from KFFL

KFFL Breaking NewsGiants to use running back by committeeNew York Giants running backs coach Jerald Ingram said the team will use a running back by committee as best they can to try and keep players healthy and other teams off balance. Ingram said all the running backs have something to give because they all contribute in their own way. He said the game plan in trying to figure out what they can do depends on who they are playing. Offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride said the player who has the hot hand and is ready to play will earn the carries. Ingram said they are not worried about who starts because the opportunities will be there. They want to keep a good balance and keep players as fresh as possible.
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fsufan said:
got this email from KFFL

KFFL Breaking NewsGiants to use running back by committeeNew York Giants running backs coach Jerald Ingram said the team will use a running back by committee as best they can to try and keep players healthy and other teams off balance. Ingram said all the running backs have something to give because they all contribute in their own way. He said the game plan in trying to figure out what they can do depends on who they are playing. Offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride said the player who has the hot hand and is ready to play will earn the carries. Ingram said they are not worried about who starts because the opportunities will be there. They want to keep a good balance and keep players as fresh as possible.
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I don't think this is any new information. It isn't like anyone was projecting Jacobs to get the ball 20+ times a game.
 
TheDirtyWord said:
I'm a little surprised by the lack of man-love thus far for Jacobs. While he is certainly not without his question marks that revolve in large part around durability - when he was on the field last season, he was an out-and-out beast.

H.K. brings up a good point. Jacobs missed time in 3 games that he played; Dallas, Atlanta, Detroit. Those are the games that frustrate you the most. When you know a guy is going to miss a game, at least you plan for it. So, you do have to question Jacobs toughness a bit. However, when you have/had depth at the RB position like the Giants do/did...you can be a little cautious in marching key guys out there who are nicked up. That said, you want a guy like Jacobs, as big as he is, to not take no for an answer.

If you look at what Jacobs did in 9.75 games last year, he was dominant.

1183 Total Yards & 6 TD's

Broken down over a 16 game season...

1941 Total Yards & 10 TD's

Let's also take these factors into account:

1) 2007 was Jacobs first year as the bell cow. At this time last year, there were questions as to whether he could be effective in this role. I think he answered those questions when he was on the field.

2) As such, it's certainly possible that Jacobs did suffer from stamina issues once the play-offs rolled around because his performance was underwhelming.

3) Jacobs carries projected over a 16 game season would have been 331. Ward, Droughns and Bradshaw were tremendous in filling in for Jacobs when he was hurt. But when Jacobs played, he was the man.

4) Droughns, who was the primary TD vulture in NY in 2007, is questionable to make the team since in the discussions with the Falcons about DeAngelo Hall, the Giants balked at including Danny Ware in the deal. It may have been them just blowing smoke, but even without that info tidbit, Droughns place on the Giants with Bradshaw's emergence is tenuous. Perhaps Ward becomes that player - but I think Jacobs will see more chances by the goal line.

I do think the Giants will be a little more diverse in their rushing attack this year, but not at an inordinate expense to Jacobs. I also see that Jacobs became a bigger threat in the passing game as the year wore on (140 receiving yards & 2 TD's in last 5 regular season games) so he's not just a battering ram. While Bradshaw particularly will find himself a nice niche with the Giants, I'll venture to say, that I expect a bit more durability out of Jacobs this year and a solid progression in his game.

Prediction: 254 carries 1174 Rushing Yards 10 TD's, 26 receptions 201 Receiving Yards, 1 TD.
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:goodposting: 250 carries 1150 yards 8 TD's 15 receptions 160 yards 1 TD

 
fsufan said:
got this email from KFFL

KFFL Breaking NewsGiants to use running back by committeeNew York Giants running backs coach Jerald Ingram said the team will use a running back by committee as best they can to try and keep players healthy and other teams off balance. Ingram said all the running backs have something to give because they all contribute in their own way. He said the game plan in trying to figure out what they can do depends on who they are playing. Offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride said the player who has the hot hand and is ready to play will earn the carries. Ingram said they are not worried about who starts because the opportunities will be there. They want to keep a good balance and keep players as fresh as possible.
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:coffee:
 
Tatum Bell said:
burd said:
i was anticipating a big year from jacobs this year. i know he was hurt for most of last season, but is he really injury prone? i really haven't looked into his past... does he have a history of injuries?
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He doesn't have a history of missing many games aside from last year, but he tends to get nicked up and be hindered by injuries. Given that he runs to contact in a way reminiscent of Eddie George and Christian Okoye, that's not really surprising. The NFL life of such a RB is not a very long one.
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Um, I don't think Eddie George ran to contact, he just ran too slow and upright to avoid it.Okoye on the other hand....

 
3nOut said:
So what are the latest thoughts on Jacobs? Worthy RB2? Who is his handcuff, Ward or Bradshaw?
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I took a flyer on Ward without having Jacobs. Nothing more than a cheap value bet that Jacobs gets hurt. I think Ward presents a better complete back than Bradshaw. As long as Jacobs is healthy, Bradshaw will score more than Ward. But if Jacobs gets hurt, I think Ward scores more than Bradshaw. Ward can do more than both Jacobs and Bradshaw can as individuals but can't do more than they both can do when combined.
 
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