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IDP Spotlight: Marlin Jackson (Group 3) (1 Viewer)

Aaron Rudnicki

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2008 IDP Spotlight Series

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Thread Topic: Marlin Jackson, CB, Indianapolis Colts

Player Page Link: Marlin Jackson Player Page

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Jackson is entering his fourth season and has improved his production every year. I don't like that he is a candidate for special teams. But it does show the faith that the coaches have in his tackling ability. He doesn't get a lot of big plays. The fact that he remains a top fantasy CB even without the big plays says a lot about his tackling ability and consistency throughout the season. He covers a lot of ground and has a nose for the ball. A few big plays here and there and he could easily be a top-5 CB.

70 tackles

20 assists

2 FFs

4 INTs

:wub:

 
Many, including me, have pimped Jackson hard year after year. He's yet to top 70 solos or grab more than one INT. He's never had more than five passes defended in a season. Still, he's a consensus top ten corner in the FBG redraft rankings. Does he really belong in the discussion with the other stud Cover-2 corners?

 
Go for LCB over RCB b/c the NFL is right-hand QB dominant. Hayden all the way. Jackson did play OLB in the dime last year but he was wearing down so they played more nickel as the year progressed.

 
Go for LCB over RCB b/c the NFL is right-hand QB dominant. Hayden all the way. Jackson did play OLB in the dime last year but he was wearing down so they played more nickel as the year progressed.
Not a big fan of Ronde Barber or Cedric Griffin's stats in recent seasons, then? :thumbup: Ah, you know I hate defaults DF, but the above statement's not really fair. Griffin may be a one year wonder and Antoine Winfield is more likely to be consistent. And Barber got a lot of extra tackle opps playing the slot and cheating on run downs anyway.

Probably just worth pointing out that not all LCBs are run-stopping forces.

 
Many, including me, have pimped Jackson hard year after year. He's yet to top 70 solos or grab more than one INT. He's never had more than five passes defended in a season. Still, he's a consensus top ten corner in the FBG redraft rankings. Does he really belong in the discussion with the other stud Cover-2 corners?
The PDs are what really separates him from the other CBs and I think are why he doesn't get many INTs. The ratio is about right compared to other CBs (1 INT for every 4-5 PDs if that even matters).I think the reason we don't see more big plays from Jackson, or Hayden for that matter, is because teams just don't pass much against Indy. They were ranked top 3 in pass defense every year Jackson has been there. Attempts per year are always low. I don't think it's that Jackson isn't capable of more PDs and more INTs, he just doesn't get the opportunities.Obviously, you can run all day on Indy, hence Jackson has a lot of opportunities to make tackles downfield.
 
Jene Bramel said:
DonFue said:
Go for LCB over RCB b/c the NFL is right-hand QB dominant. Hayden all the way. Jackson did play OLB in the dime last year but he was wearing down so they played more nickel as the year progressed.
Not a big fan of Ronde Barber or Cedric Griffin's stats in recent seasons, then? :thumbup: Ah, you know I hate defaults DF, but the above statement's not really fair. Griffin may be a one year wonder and Antoine Winfield is more likely to be consistent. And Barber got a lot of extra tackle opps playing the slot and cheating on run downs anyway.

Probably just worth pointing out that not all LCBs are run-stopping forces.
Ronde is a playmaking anomaly (see Mo Lewis at SLB). But Griffin DID play LCB when Winfield was out. I was speaking more about passing plays than running plays. Run the numbers and come to the dark side of DEFAULTS!!
 
Jene Bramel said:
DonFue said:
Go for LCB over RCB b/c the NFL is right-hand QB dominant. Hayden all the way. Jackson did play OLB in the dime last year but he was wearing down so they played more nickel as the year progressed.
Not a big fan of Ronde Barber or Cedric Griffin's stats in recent seasons, then? :kicksrock: Ah, you know I hate defaults DF, but the above statement's not really fair. Griffin may be a one year wonder and Antoine Winfield is more likely to be consistent. And Barber got a lot of extra tackle opps playing the slot and cheating on run downs anyway.

Probably just worth pointing out that not all LCBs are run-stopping forces.
Ronde is a playmaking anomaly (see Mo Lewis at SLB). But Griffin DID play LCB when Winfield was out. I was speaking more about passing plays than running plays. Run the numbers and come to the dark side of DEFAULTS!!
Surely will. :P But first, Cedric Griffin with Winfield vs Cedric Griffin without Winfield last year:

Griffin with Winfield (RCB): 5.0 solos/gm (proj 80 solos)

Griffin without Winfield (presumably LCB though the unreliable Gamebooks suggest otherwise): 5.33 solos/gm (proj 85 solos)

Back to the RCB vs LCB debate:

RCBs in FBG scoring over last three seasons

2007 -- 2 of Top 5 // 3 of Top 10 // 5 of Top 15

2006 -- 2 of Top 5 // 3 of Top 10 // 6 of Top 15

2005 -- 2 of Top 5 // 4 of Top 10 // 6 of Top 15

RCBs in Solo Tackle rankings over last three seasons

2007 -- 2 of Top 5 // 3 of Top 10 // 5 of Top 15

2006 -- 3 of Top 5 // 4 of Top 10 // 6 of Top 15

2005 -- 2 of Top 5 // 5 of Top 10 // 8 of Top 15

To be sure, the LCB should get the bulk of the tackle opportunity as the playside corner and facing the WR to whom a right-handed QB is most likely to feel comfortable throwing. But the numbers show that 30-40% of the top tier of scoring and tackling corners are RCBs. That's plenty significant a minority to question a LCB>RCB default. And it's hard to feel comfortable with a default that dismisses the most consistent corner of the past decade as a playmaking anomaly. I think it's worth considering talent, skill set, supporting cast and scheme as well.

I'm never coming to the darkside, DF. Never!!!! :)

 
I sit corrected! I don't want to be the poster boy for defaults, but I do have another FF term to add to my jargon! Nice debate.

 
I sit corrected! I don't want to be the poster boy for defaults, but I do have another FF term to add to my jargon! Nice debate.
:) Absolutely, DF, you're one of my favorite posters because you're always challenging. Glad it comes off as debate and not argumentative.
 
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Steady improvment each of the previous years bodes well for Marlin Jackson in '08.

His tackles numbers are more then respectable, but his ball skills leave a lot to be desired.

Value flucuates greatley between tackle heavy leagues and big play leagues.

Tackles: 81

Assists: 16

Sacks: 0

Ints: 2

Pass D's: 7

TDs: 0

 

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