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*Official* 6th pick thread (1 Viewer)

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I assume there will be a pinned thread this year with links to all of the individual threads discussing particular picks...thought I'd start one on the least desirable in the eyes of most this year...#6. (Although I love being in the middle of every round.)

I'm going to discuss a 10-team redraft specifically. Feel free to open it up to other draft types.

So the "Big 5" go first...and you are looking at one of the following, according to the latest VBD app: Clinton Portis, Marion Barber, Frank Gore, Tom Brady, Randy Moss

From there, here is generally what we'll be looking at in round 2: Willis McGahee, MJD, Ryan Grant, TO, Reggie Wayne, Peyton Manning

Round 3 you'll see something like: Brandon Jacobs, Reggie Bush, Edgerrin James, Steve Smith, Housh, Andre Johnson, BenRoth, Carson Palmer

Round 4: Earnest Graham, Willie Parker, L Maroney, Plaxico Burress, Torry Holt, Anquan Boldin, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Jay Cutler

Round 5: Thomas Jones, Darren McFadden, Jonathan Stewart, Calvin Johnson, Greg Jennings, Wes Welker, Cutler, Manning, Mcnabb

So what strategy are you generally thinking going in? No doubt RB in the first, then best value of RB and WR for the next few rounds?

Do you go in a different direction from the start, with QB or WR?

Do you take Manning in the 2nd, and pile up RBs and WRs after that?

From my mocks, RB/WR/WR/RB/RB seems to work out best in my eyes, with someone like Garrard later. I like the WRs in the 2nd and 3rd more than the RBs...and it seems you can get good value at RB in the 4th and 5th.

Thoughts?

 
:lmao:

Is the 6 hole really the worst this year? I'm not sure if I agree, I'd rather have that than the eight or nine...

 
skycriesmary said:
:lmao: Is the 6 hole really the worst this year? I'm not sure if I agree, I'd rather have that than the eight or nine...
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I'm beginning to warm to it. Love picking in the middle...and I'm also thinking one of the top 5 backs may fall to me when someone else takes Brady. Even if not, I like the options at 6/15 better than 8/13 or 9/12...I think anyway.
 
It all depends on your league rules and scoring. Many pick up a magazine or print a sheet out blindly picking the "big 5". The big 5 is totally different in my league, so picking at the 6 spot is cool because all it takes is one person to go with a generic RB heavy cheatsheet and I'm golden.

 
The one player that could slip into the 1st round category is Joseph Addai. More often than not, he won't be there but he's certainly not a top 5 lock in 100 percent of the leagues.

In a PPR league, I drafted 6th today in a 12 team redraft and chose Gore. The guy after me took Portis at 1.07 and at 1.08 Randy Moss went. I wasn't really considering Portis over Gore but I did think about Moss.

Ultimately, I chose Gore because he should be in line for 50 to 60 catches, 1200 plus yards and 8 to 10 Td's. All of those numbers if healthy except for the TD's are actually on the lower side. Frank Gore who's already rushed for 1500 yards in his career could do just that again, something I don't see Joseph Addai doing as he's just cracked 1000 his last two seasons.

If you think Moss is going to get 15 td's and 1500 yards with 90 receptions, it's hard to justify not choosing him there as well.

 
Starters - 1QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/1FLEX (RB,WR,TE)/1K/1DEF

1/20 passing

1/10 rush & receiving

All tds = 6

No PPR

This was a survivor draft, so I ended up avoiding guys with weeks 1-5 byes.

Here's how it went for me for rounds 1-6:

1. Portis

2. Fitzgerald

3. Colston

4. Gates

5. Gonzalez (TE)

6. Cutler

 
Based on who the OP suggests would be available at 6, I don't think it looks bad. Ending up with Brady/MJD/Edge/Burress/Welker wouldn't be all that bad (for example).

 
gump said:
Andy Dufresne said:
1. Portis2. Fitzgerald3. Colston4. Gates5. Gonzalez (TE)6. Cutler
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Be interested to see how your RB corp ends up...but love the value of WR in the 2nd/3rd...goes back to what I said I was leaning to.
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That ended up being the weak spot. Portis, Clinton Williams, Ricky Norwood, Jerious Thomas, Pierre Hightower, Tim I would have tried harder to fix it were it not a survivor draft, but I think Ricky will be good enough for weeks 1-5.
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2 TEs in a row? is it 2 PPR for TEs or something?
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There were a couple of things with this. One, I forgot about Gates' toe injury, so I wanted to make up for it with Gonzalez. Plus, one TE spot is mandatory and the flex spot included TE's. So I figured I couldn't go wrong with two of the top 3-5 TE's in the game.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
gump said:
Andy Dufresne said:
1. Portis2. Fitzgerald3. Colston4. Gates5. Gonzalez (TE)6. Cutler
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Be interested to see how your RB corp ends up...but love the value of WR in the 2nd/3rd...goes back to what I said I was leaning to.
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That ended up being the weak spot. Portis, Clinton Williams, Ricky Norwood, Jerious Thomas, Pierre Hightower, Tim I would have tried harder to fix it were it not a survivor draft, but I think Ricky will be good enough for weeks 1-5.
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2 TEs in a row? is it 2 PPR for TEs or something?
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There were a couple of things with this. One, I forgot about Gates' toe injury, so I wanted to make up for it with Gonzalez. Plus, one TE spot is mandatory and the flex spot included TE's. So I figured I couldn't go wrong with two of the top 3-5 TE's in the game.
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What RBs were available for you in Rounds 4 and 5?
 
dapunisher said:
What RBs were available for you in Rounds 4 and 5?
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I'll take a look when I get home. I forget and I can't get on MFL from work.I think there were guys like Earnest Graham, Jonathan Stewart, Kevin Smith, etc. at that point. If I had remembered about Gates' toe, I'd have gone RB with the 4th pick and been much happier.
 
I'm sitting on the 6 spot in one of the IDP survivor leagues as well. I took Gore with my 1st pick. I'll update it as I go as well.

1.06 Gore

2.07 Fitz

3.06 B. Marshall

4.07 R. Brown

5.06 Garrard

6.07 Shockey

7.06 Ray Lewis

 
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Colin Dowling said:
Based on who the OP suggests would be available at 6, I don't think it looks bad. Ending up with Brady/MJD/Edge/Burress/Welker wouldn't be all that bad (for example).
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It won't be so good when Brady throws 30 TD's. Taking a QB that early is a mistake. I hate cliches, but "if you don't learn from history, you're bound to repeat it".
 
gump said:
I assume there will be a pinned thread this year with links to all of the individual threads discussing particular picks...thought I'd start one on the least desirable in the eyes of most this year...#6. (Although I love being in the middle of every round.)

I'm going to discuss a 10-team redraft specifically. Feel free to open it up to other draft types.

So the "Big 5" go first...and you are looking at one of the following, according to the latest VBD app: Clinton Portis, Marion Barber, Frank Gore, Tom Brady, Randy Moss

From there, here is generally what we'll be looking at in round 2: Willis McGahee, MJD, Ryan Grant, TO, Reggie Wayne, Peyton Manning

Round 3 you'll see something like: Brandon Jacobs, Reggie Bush, Edgerrin James, Steve Smith, Housh, Andre Johnson, BenRoth, Carson Palmer

Round 4: Earnest Graham, Willie Parker, L Maroney, Plaxico Burress, Torry Holt, Anquan Boldin, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Jay Cutler

Round 5: Thomas Jones, Darren McFadden, Jonathan Stewart, Calvin Johnson, Greg Jennings, Wes Welker, Cutler, Manning, Mcnabb

So what strategy are you generally thinking going in? No doubt RB in the first, then best value of RB and WR for the next few rounds?

Do you go in a different direction from the start, with QB or WR?

Do you take Manning in the 2nd, and pile up RBs and WRs after that?

From my mocks, RB/WR/WR/RB/RB seems to work out best in my eyes, with someone like Garrard later. I like the WRs in the 2nd and 3rd more than the RBs...and it seems you can get good value at RB in the 4th and 5th.

Thoughts?
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10 Teamers aren't that bad for the 6 spot. You want a challenge? 12 Teamers. 12 Teamer leagues... the 6th spot, along with 5-8, is looking very tough. Flexibility and changing strategy on the fly is crucial. Having 10 picks(assuming 6 spot in a 12 teamer) increases the incredible amount of uncertainty at your next pick. Drafting at the end caps of snake drafts minimizes the possibility of your next target player from disappearing.

One thing is for certain, RB-RB is out of the question. RB-WR is the likely value play. Lynch, JamLew, Willis McGahee, MJD, Ryan Grant, TO, Reggie Wayne, Peyton Manning none of these guys fell to me in the mocks i have been in. I would be glad to take any except manning. I am not taking Rbrown, Edge or Brandon Jacobs in the second. Probably in the 3rd, should they make it that far...and again they haven't...maybe Jacobs.

So RB-WR-WR is the common trend i have seen. The draft i linked above is a great example. Check out the other options. VBD holds true for the most part. Unless Graham or Dmc are up for grabs in the 4th. Graham shouldn't make it. Dmc is debateable and went in the 5th for the link above.

4th round is where it gets very tricky. RB-WR-TE(witten, Gates, KWII)? Will you be taking your 2nd or 3rd RB? 2nd or 3rd wr?

Anyhoot...its tough...im getting tired thinking about it.

rb-wr-wr-wr-te/rb is very likely

rb-wr-rb-wr

rb-rb unlikely off the bat. Would be great though. Would love to get that last big time RB on the board.

rb-qb...yuck.

 
6th spot isn't bad at all...much rather have that than 7

You'll have the choice between whoever falls from this group:

ADP (not likely)

LT (not likely)

S. Jackson

Addai

Westbrook

Brady

I like those choices.

 
g5jamz said:
6th spot isn't bad at all...much rather have that than 7

You'll have the choice between whoever falls from this group:

ADP (not likely)

LT (not likely)

S. Jackson

Addai

Westbrook

Brady

I like those choices.
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:fixed:any league that has any of those 'struck' players available in the 6 hole is simply not worth playing in

I'm not a "QB early" guy, unless you're talking "start 2"....I'd be debating Addai/Gore from the 6, leaning toward Gore in a PPR senario

 
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ravnzfan said:
g5jamz said:
6th spot isn't bad at all...much rather have that than 7

You'll have the choice between whoever falls from this group:

ADP (not likely)

LT (not likely)

S. Jackson

Addai

Westbrook

Brady

I like those choices.
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:fixed:any league that has any of those 'struck' players available in the 6 hole is simply not worth playing in

I'm not a "QB early" guy, unless you're talking "start 2"....I'd be debating Addai/Gore from the 6, leaning toward Gore in a PPR senario
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I'm actually on the clock right now in the FBG IBL league and drafting at the 6 hole. There are trades available, passing Td's are 4, PPR and 6 point Td''s for rushing/catching. It is a Must start 1 RB, 2 WR 1 TE with 2 Flex spots. You can start max 2 rb's and TE and a MAX 4 WR. So, there's a little premium on WR's as you could go 1 RB and 4 Wr's in a given week. If you end up going with 2 TE's to start, you're probably struggling, probably.

Anyway, I took Gore at No. 6. Debated between him and Moss. Moss ended up going at 8.....then a couple more RB's but then a BIG RUN on WR's before I picked in the 2nd round. I wasn't going WR there.....so I had to pick between Willis McGahee and MJD, I went with MJD with McGahee going right after I selected.

I am now on the clock and both Romo and Brees are on the board at 3.6 I also have B. Marshall, Buress and Welker on the board. I don't want to go QB here and take my first WR in round 4 in pretty much a must start 3, not good. I am leaning towards Welker. I like to see Bob Harris who selected at 6 is thinking the same way. I was surprised he actually picked Welker over Chad Johnson, he went late 2nd in my draft.

 
Reading this thread yesterday convinced me to do a mock last night from the #6 slot.

LT, ADP, Jackson, Westbrook, and Addai went 1-5. I thought about Portis. I thought about Brady, and then I pulled the trigger on Randy Moss. Here's how my team played out:

1.6 Moss

2.7 McGahee

3.6 E. Graham (didn't love this pick, but chose him over these available: Turner, FWP, Edge, Ronnie Brown)

4.7 Winslow - the top WRs had been taken, and I thought about Roy Williams, but I view Winslow almost as a WR2

5.6 Selvin Young - trying to create a two-headed beast at RB2

6.7 Hasselbeck - Leaned towards grabbing a WR, but a cluster (Driver, Curtis, R. White) of equivalent tier guys were available so I hoped one would fall to me. And the QBs were almost gone.

7.6 Kevin Curtis - Grabbed my WR2 while I could.

8.7 Bulger - Considered this an upside play and value late.

9.6 Reggie Williams. Tried to add depth and at that point I had realized it was a start 3 WR roster league.

10.7 Chris Brown. RB4 flyer

11.6 Justin Gage. He is the WR1, so he could be a nice spot starter.

12.7 Shaun McDonald. WR depth grab.

13.6 Favre. Worth a late shot.

14.7 Titans

15.6 Chad Jackson. Late flyer.

16.7 Kicker

I'm OK with this squad, but I don't think it scares anyone. A lot has to break the right way for the team to be a real contender. The 6 slot is tough.

 
Going off the original posters comments.. I entered a 10-team redraft with no computer picks and here are the results....For the record, I didn't try new things I drafted as if it would be my team for the year.

(1) J. Addai (someone grabbed Brady before me at 5)

(2) B. Edwards

(3) L. Maroney (a little bit of a homer pick could have grabbed B. Jacobs or J. Lewis)

(4) R. Bush

(5) D. Bowe (passed on Gates here, not sure if was the right move)

(6) H. Ward (perfect #3WR, IMO)

(7) D. Anderson (QB-WR combo should be nice)

(8) F. Taylor

(9) L. Coles

(10) J. Cutler

(11) T. Sheffler (another nice QB-TE combo..option to play matchups)

(12) Giants D (passed on Jags D??)

(13) Kevin Jones

(14) N. Folk

(15) Isaac Bruce

 
brady2moss said:
(1) J. Addai (someone grabbed Brady before me at 5)

(2) B. Edwards

(3) L. Maroney (a little bit of a homer pick could have grabbed B. Jacobs or J. Lewis)

(4) R. Bush

(5) D. Bowe (passed on Gates here, not sure if was the right move)

(6) H. Ward (perfect #3WR, IMO)

(7) D. Anderson (QB-WR combo should be nice)

(8) F. Taylor

(9) L. Coles

(10) J. Cutler

(11) T. Sheffler (another nice QB-TE combo..option to play matchups)

(12) Giants D (passed on Jags D??)

(13) Kevin Jones

(14) N. Folk

(15) Isaac Bruce
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Anderson, CutlerAddai, Maroney, Bush, FT

Edwards, Bowe, Ward, Coles

Looks pretty solid. What WR were there in the 3rd? I would likely have gone with Housh/AJ if there...then have been very happy with Bush falling in the 4th. What RBs were there in the 5th?

 
gump said:
brady2moss said:
(1) J. Addai (someone grabbed Brady before me at 5)

(2) B. Edwards

(3) L. Maroney (a little bit of a homer pick could have grabbed B. Jacobs or J. Lewis)

(4) R. Bush

(5) D. Bowe (passed on Gates here, not sure if was the right move)

(6) H. Ward (perfect #3WR, IMO)

(7) D. Anderson (QB-WR combo should be nice)

(8) F. Taylor

(9) L. Coles

(10) J. Cutler

(11) T. Sheffler (another nice QB-TE combo..option to play matchups)

(12) Giants D (passed on Jags D??)

(13) Kevin Jones

(14) N. Folk

(15) Isaac Bruce
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Anderson, CutlerAddai, Maroney, Bush, FT

Edwards, Bowe, Ward, Coles

Looks pretty solid. What WR were there in the 3rd? I would likely have gone with Housh/AJ if there...then have been very happy with Bush falling in the 4th. What RBs were there in the 5th?
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AJ went right after Edwards in the 2nd. Chad Johnson and Plaxico Burress were there in the 3rd
 
I've entered several mocks and run both the mymock and dd a few times...and the best results I've come up with based on VBD is:

RB (usually Addai)

QB (Manning)

WR (Fitz of CJ)

WR (Holt or Boldin)

RB (Graham, White, or Parker)

WR (Bowe or Jennings)

That has the highest value consistently based on Dodd's app. There were a few tiimes where I went RB-WR-WR and ended up close, but the RB-QB start has been my most consistent top value draft.

Anyone go RB-QB yet?

 
gump said:
I've entered several mocks and run both the mymock and dd a few times...and the best results I've come up with based on VBD is:RB (usually Addai)QB (Manning) WR (Fitz of CJ)WR (Holt or Boldin)RB (Graham, White, or Parker)WR (Bowe or Jennings)That has the highest value consistently based on Dodd's app. There were a few tiimes where I went RB-WR-WR and ended up close, but the RB-QB start has been my most consistent top value draft.Anyone go RB-QB yet?
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I've been mocking from 6 the last couple of days and have gotten:Addai or GoreFitzBushAfter that is when it gets tough. I've taken Roethlisberger a couple of times in the 4th (after the big 4 are gone), then the best WR (usually Cotchery is around there). I tried RB-RB but the results haven't been that good. I can't see Fitz being available at 3.06 in my league.
 
Jello_Biafra said:
gump said:
I've entered several mocks and run both the mymock and dd a few times...and the best results I've come up with based on VBD is:RB (usually Addai)QB (Manning) WR (Fitz of CJ)WR (Holt or Boldin)RB (Graham, White, or Parker)WR (Bowe or Jennings)That has the highest value consistently based on Dodd's app. There were a few tiimes where I went RB-WR-WR and ended up close, but the RB-QB start has been my most consistent top value draft.Anyone go RB-QB yet?
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I've been mocking from 6 the last couple of days and have gotten:Addai or GoreFitzBushAfter that is when it gets tough. I've taken Roethlisberger a couple of times in the 4th (after the big 4 are gone), then the best WR (usually Cotchery is around there). I tried RB-RB but the results haven't been that good. I can't see Fitz being available at 3.06 in my league.
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If I do go RB-WR...I think WR will be my 3rd. I'm consistently seeing better value (by my rankings) at WR than RB in the 3rd. And the RB available in the 4th is virtually the same as the one available in the 3rd.I may take QB in the 2nd or 3rd. If not there though, it won't be until much later.
 
im in the 6 hole.

i have done several mocks.

most turned out like this.

1. either addai or gore

2. i love the wr pick, but have gone with romo

3. i look for bush or maroney, if both gone a top wr

4.in most cases a top wr holmes or r.williams

5. a rb, rudi , l.white, j.jones something like that.

6. another wr. evens ,chambers ,k.curtis

7 a back up qb, hasselbeck, bulger, or cutler

so thats my look at it. so if things go well he are my top 7

addai

romo

bush

holmes

white

evens

bulger

hope this gives you another way to go.

 
currently in a redraft #6 spot 1/2/3/1/1/1 with a flex and it's PPR

1.06 Addai (Brady at 4 bumped Addai to me)

2.07 Edwards (wanted TO he went one spot earlier)

3.06 Boldin (wanted CJ he went one spot earlier - was thinking on Romo he went one spot later)

4.07 EJames (the others i was thinking on went next 5 Witten, Turner, Winslow, Bowe, Jennings)

5.06 MHarrison (homerun cut, may miss the ball but if i connect...)

will update

 
Lash said:
currently in a redraft #6 spot 1/2/3/1/1/1 with a flex and it's PPR1.06 Addai (Brady at 4 bumped Addai to me)2.07 Edwards (wanted TO he went one spot earlier)3.06 Boldin (wanted CJ he went one spot earlier - was thinking on Romo he went one spot later)4.07 EJames (the others i was thinking on went next 5 Witten, Turner, Winslow, Bowe, Jennings)5.06 MHarrison (homerun cut, may miss the ball but if i connect...)will update
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I think Boldin at 3.6 is a little early, not crazy early but slightly.
 
Anyone try WR/WR yet? I landed Moss And Andre Johnson starting w/1.06 (mock - no computer picks). I picked up Grant and Maroney in the 3rd and 4th respectively. Here are the rest of the results. Does this actually happen in a real draft?

Non PPR (QB/2RB/3WR/TE/PK/TD)

5.06 - Winslow

6.08 - C.Chambers

7.06 - Cutler

8.08 - S.Young

9.06 - A.Gonzalez

10.08 - Rivers

11.06 - V.Jackson

12.08 - Torain (Young handcuff)

13.06 - Titans

14.08 - Bironas

Thoughts?

 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Lash said:
currently in a redraft #6 spot 1/2/3/1/1/1 with a flex and it's PPR1.06 Addai (Brady at 4 bumped Addai to me)2.07 Edwards (wanted TO he went one spot earlier)3.06 Boldin (wanted CJ he went one spot earlier - was thinking on Romo he went one spot later)4.07 EJames (the others i was thinking on went next 5 Witten, Turner, Winslow, Bowe, Jennings)5.06 MHarrison (homerun cut, may miss the ball but if i connect...)will update
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I think Boldin at 3.6 is a little early, not crazy early but slightly.
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Yeah, from the 6th spot, I've been getting Boldin in the 4th consistently in my mocks. Romo in the 3rd is good value IMO.
 
Txns8 said:
Anyone try WR/WR yet? I landed Moss And Andre Johnson starting w/1.06 (mock - no computer picks). I picked up Grant and Maroney in the 3rd and 4th respectively. Here are the rest of the results. Does this actually happen in a real draft?Non PPR (QB/2RB/3WR/TE/PK/TD)5.06 - Winslow6.08 - C.Chambers7.06 - Cutler8.08 - S.Young9.06 - A.Gonzalez10.08 - Rivers11.06 - V.Jackson12.08 - Torain (Young handcuff)13.06 - Titans14.08 - BironasThoughts?
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I have yet to see Grant fall to the 3rd in the many mocks I have done. Usually is gone by the end of the 2nd.
 
I got the 7th pick and I think I'm gonna do the WR/WR/RB/RB/RB/WR/QB strategy. I just don't think its worth taking a RB after the top 5 go and you are better off with 2 top notch WR's.

Here is what I am hoping for (PPR league - hence Bush)

1-Moss

2-Andre Johnson/Fitz/Colston

3-Bush/R.Brown

4-TJones/McFadden

5-E.Graham/JStewart/EJAmes/JJones/LWhite

6-Engram

7-Garrard/Bulger

Obviously, I'll alter strategy depending on who is left at each spot.

That would make my lineup like this:

QB Garrard

RB: Bush

RB: TJones

WR: Moss

WR: AJohnson

TE: LJ Smith or Owen Daniels (10-11th round)

Flex: Engram or EGraham.

 
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brady2moss said:
Going off the original posters comments.. I entered a 10-team redraft with no computer picks and here are the results....For the record, I didn't try new things I drafted as if it would be my team for the year.

(1) J. Addai (someone grabbed Brady before me at 5)

(2) B. Edwards

(3) L. Maroney (a little bit of a homer pick could have grabbed B. Jacobs or J. Lewis)

(4) R. Bush

(5) D. Bowe (passed on Gates here, not sure if was the right move)

(6) H. Ward (perfect #3WR, IMO)

(7) D. Anderson (QB-WR combo should be nice)

(8) F. Taylor

(9) L. Coles

(10) J. Cutler

(11) T. Sheffler (another nice QB-TE combo..option to play matchups)

(12) Giants D (passed on Jags D??)

(13) Kevin Jones

(14) N. Folk

(15) Isaac Bruce
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Pretty bad when your best pick after 2.08 is your kicker. Wow - hope that was a mock for you, simply really, really awful guy. Take a look at Dodds picks if you want to see what can be done at 6th. (Edit - not 6th - 11th spot - may apologies).
 
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Binky The Doormat said:
brady2moss said:
Going off the original posters comments.. I entered a 10-team redraft with no computer picks and here are the results....For the record, I didn't try new things I drafted as if it would be my team for the year.

(1) J. Addai (someone grabbed Brady before me at 5)

(2) B. Edwards

(3) L. Maroney (a little bit of a homer pick could have grabbed B. Jacobs or J. Lewis)

(4) R. Bush

(5) D. Bowe (passed on Gates here, not sure if was the right move)

(6) H. Ward (perfect #3WR, IMO)

(7) D. Anderson (QB-WR combo should be nice)

(8) F. Taylor

(9) L. Coles

(10) J. Cutler

(11) T. Sheffler (another nice QB-TE combo..option to play matchups)

(12) Giants D (passed on Jags D??)

(13) Kevin Jones

(14) N. Folk

(15) Isaac Bruce
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Pretty bad when your best pick after 2.08 is your kicker. Wow - hope that was a mock for you, simply really, really awful guy. Take a look at Dodds picks if you want to see what can be done at 6th.
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Are you joking?Addai, Bush, Maroney, Taylor.

Edwards, Bowe, Ward, Coles

Cutler/Anderson

You'd pretty much have to be a complete ####### not to get that team into the playoffs.

 
greyone said:
gump said:
I assume there will be a pinned thread this year with links to all of the individual threads discussing particular picks...thought I'd start one on the least desirable in the eyes of most this year...#6. (Although I love being in the middle of every round.)

I'm going to discuss a 10-team redraft specifically. Feel free to open it up to other draft types.

So the "Big 5" go first...and you are looking at one of the following, according to the latest VBD app: Clinton Portis, Marion Barber, Frank Gore, Tom Brady, Randy Moss

From there, here is generally what we'll be looking at in round 2: Willis McGahee, MJD, Ryan Grant, TO, Reggie Wayne, Peyton Manning

Round 3 you'll see something like: Brandon Jacobs, Reggie Bush, Edgerrin James, Steve Smith, Housh, Andre Johnson, BenRoth, Carson Palmer

Round 4: Earnest Graham, Willie Parker, L Maroney, Plaxico Burress, Torry Holt, Anquan Boldin, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Jay Cutler

Round 5: Thomas Jones, Darren McFadden, Jonathan Stewart, Calvin Johnson, Greg Jennings, Wes Welker, Cutler, Manning, Mcnabb

So what strategy are you generally thinking going in? No doubt RB in the first, then best value of RB and WR for the next few rounds?

Do you go in a different direction from the start, with QB or WR?

Do you take Manning in the 2nd, and pile up RBs and WRs after that?

From my mocks, RB/WR/WR/RB/RB seems to work out best in my eyes, with someone like Garrard later. I like the WRs in the 2nd and 3rd more than the RBs...and it seems you can get good value at RB in the 4th and 5th.

Thoughts?
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10 Teamers aren't that bad for the 6 spot. You want a challenge? 12 Teamers. 12 Teamer leagues... the 6th spot, along with 5-8, is looking very tough. Flexibility and changing strategy on the fly is crucial. Having 10 picks(assuming 6 spot in a 12 teamer) increases the incredible amount of uncertainty at your next pick. Drafting at the end caps of snake drafts minimizes the possibility of your next target player from disappearing.

One thing is for certain, RB-RB is out of the question. RB-WR is the likely value play. Lynch, JamLew, Willis McGahee, MJD, Ryan Grant, TO, Reggie Wayne, Peyton Manning none of these guys fell to me in the mocks i have been in. I would be glad to take any except manning. I am not taking Rbrown, Edge or Brandon Jacobs in the second. Probably in the 3rd, should they make it that far...and again they haven't...maybe Jacobs.

So RB-WR-WR is the common trend i have seen. The draft i linked above is a great example. Check out the other options. VBD holds true for the most part. Unless Graham or Dmc are up for grabs in the 4th. Graham shouldn't make it. Dmc is debateable and went in the 5th for the link above.

4th round is where it gets very tricky. RB-WR-TE(witten, Gates, KWII)? Will you be taking your 2nd or 3rd RB? 2nd or 3rd wr?

Anyhoot...its tough...im getting tired thinking about it.

rb-wr-wr-wr-te/rb is very likely

rb-wr-rb-wr

rb-rb unlikely off the bat. Would be great though. Would love to get that last big time RB on the board.

rb-qb...yuck.
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This is the strategy I am looking at right now. I have always been a firm believer in RB, RB with my 1st 2 picks. Now, with all the RB committees, I think the better play is to pick 1RB, and 2WR with the 1st 3 picks.
 
ravnzfan said:
g5jamz said:
6th spot isn't bad at all...much rather have that than 7

You'll have the choice between whoever falls from this group:

ADP (not likely)

LT (not likely)

S. Jackson

Addai

Westbrook

Brady

I like those choices.
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:fixed:any league that has any of those 'struck' players available in the 6 hole is simply not worth playing in
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So any league where the drafting doesn't match your top 4 isn't worth playing in? :shrug: :lmao:
 
teamroc said:
Binky The Doormat said:
brady2moss said:
Going off the original posters comments.. I entered a 10-team redraft with no computer picks and here are the results....For the record, I didn't try new things I drafted as if it would be my team for the year.

(1) J. Addai (someone grabbed Brady before me at 5)

(2) B. Edwards

(3) L. Maroney (a little bit of a homer pick could have grabbed B. Jacobs or J. Lewis)

(4) R. Bush

(5) D. Bowe (passed on Gates here, not sure if was the right move)

(6) H. Ward (perfect #3WR, IMO)

(7) D. Anderson (QB-WR combo should be nice)

(8) F. Taylor

(9) L. Coles

(10) J. Cutler

(11) T. Sheffler (another nice QB-TE combo..option to play matchups)

(12) Giants D (passed on Jags D??)

(13) Kevin Jones

(14) N. Folk

(15) Isaac Bruce
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Pretty bad when your best pick after 2.08 is your kicker. Wow - hope that was a mock for you, simply really, really awful guy. Take a look at Dodds picks if you want to see what can be done at 6th.
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Are you joking?Addai, Bush, Maroney, Taylor.

Edwards, Bowe, Ward, Coles

Cutler/Anderson

You'd pretty much have to be a complete ####### not to get that team into the playoffs.
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If this is 1pt PPR it is slightly passable at best.
 
CASS101 said:
Txns8 said:
Anyone try WR/WR yet? I landed Moss And Andre Johnson starting w/1.06 (mock - no computer picks). I picked up Grant and Maroney in the 3rd and 4th respectively. Here are the rest of the results. Does this actually happen in a real draft?Non PPR (QB/2RB/3WR/TE/PK/TD)5.06 - Winslow6.08 - C.Chambers7.06 - Cutler8.08 - S.Young9.06 - A.Gonzalez10.08 - Rivers11.06 - V.Jackson12.08 - Torain (Young handcuff)13.06 - Titans14.08 - BironasThoughts?
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I have yet to see Grant fall to the 3rd in the many mocks I have done. Usually is gone by the end of the 2nd.
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Just ran through another one (yes, I'm addicted) with the same results in the first 4. The remainder went as follows:5.06 - FWP6.08 - McNabb7.06 - Heap8.08 - A.Gonzalez9.06 - Forte10.08 - V.Jackson11.06 - Crumpler12.08 - Titans13.06 - Leinart14.08 - RackersI think there is something to this WR/WR/RB/RB option...
 
Txns8 said:
CASS101 said:
Txns8 said:
Anyone try WR/WR yet? I landed Moss And Andre Johnson starting w/1.06 (mock - no computer picks). I picked up Grant and Maroney in the 3rd and 4th respectively. Here are the rest of the results. Does this actually happen in a real draft?Non PPR (QB/2RB/3WR/TE/PK/TD)5.06 - Winslow6.08 - C.Chambers7.06 - Cutler8.08 - S.Young9.06 - A.Gonzalez10.08 - Rivers11.06 - V.Jackson12.08 - Torain (Young handcuff)13.06 - Titans14.08 - BironasThoughts?
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I have yet to see Grant fall to the 3rd in the many mocks I have done. Usually is gone by the end of the 2nd.
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Just ran through another one (yes, I'm addicted) with the same results in the first 4. The remainder went as follows:5.06 - FWP6.08 - McNabb7.06 - Heap8.08 - A.Gonzalez9.06 - Forte10.08 - V.Jackson11.06 - Crumpler12.08 - Titans13.06 - Leinart14.08 - RackersI think there is something to this WR/WR/RB/RB option...
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I don't think Forte will be available in any draft here in the states in the 9th. On-line with Saheeb, Chu and Sven ...apparently so.
 
After numerous mocks, I'm starting to move away from my original plan of starting RB-WR. It seems to me that the guys IN FRONT of me are getting a better RB in the 1st than me, then getting the same WR in the 2nd as me. The guys BEHIND me are getting the same RB in the 1st as me, then getting a better WR in the 2nd than me.

So I am now feeling I need to get out in front by drafting either Moss or Brady in the first.

a) Moss - I get the best WR, then a 6-10 RB.

b) Brady - I get the best QB, then either a top 5 WR or a 6-10 RB.

I am consistently getting a higher VBD going with either a or b over any RB-WR combo I've tried.

I also over the years have been good at getting late value at WR and RB...which makes me feel better about waiting on either.

 
Drafted from the 6 spot today.

QBs get 6 pts/TD -- other than that pretty standard scoring.

Lineup: 1 QB; 2 RB; 2 WR; 1 RB/WR; 1 TE; 1 K; 1 DST.

1.06 R. Moss (Brady was gone and I was confident in my ability to pick up decent RBs in the 2-4 rounds)

2.07 L. Johnson (Steal if he can stay healthy)

3.06 M. Turner (May be a reach?)

4. 07 A. Gates (My #1 TE -- hope he starts week 1)

5.06 D. McNabb

6.07 B. Berrian (IF Favre goes to Minny, this could turn out really nice)

7.06 F. Taylor (Pretty good value here IMO)

8.07 C. Chambers

9.06 Chris Johnson

10.07 Ricky Williams

11.06 Reggie Brown (McNabb-Brown connection)

12.07 Jerry Porter (Need him to get healthy -- could be a decent WR2 by mid-season though)

13.06 Buffalo DST

14.07 Josh Scobee

 
Dolfan said:
Drafted from the 6 spot today.

QBs get 6 pts/TD -- other than that pretty standard scoring.

Lineup: 1 QB; 2 RB; 2 WR; 1 RB/WR; 1 TE; 1 K; 1 DST.

1.06 R. Moss (Brady was gone and I was confident in my ability to pick up decent RBs in the 2-4 rounds)

2.07 L. Johnson (Steal if he can stay healthy)

3.06 M. Turner (May be a reach?)

4. 07 A. Gates (My #1 TE -- hope he starts week 1)

5.06 D. McNabb

6.07 B. Berrian (IF Favre goes to Minny, this could turn out really nice)

7.06 F. Taylor (Pretty good value here IMO)

8.07 C. Chambers

9.06 Chris Johnson

10.07 Ricky Williams

11.06 Reggie Brown (McNabb-Brown connection)

12.07 Jerry Porter (Need him to get healthy -- could be a decent WR2 by mid-season though)

13.06 Buffalo DST

14.07 Josh Scobee
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Interesting team. Who else was there when you took Turner? What about QB's left when you took McNabb in the 5th? I've had him available for me in the 6th which usually means a stronger #2 than Berrian.
 
gump said:
After numerous mocks, I'm starting to move away from my original plan of starting RB-WR. It seems to me that the guys IN FRONT of me are getting a better RB in the 1st than me, then getting the same WR in the 2nd as me. The guys BEHIND me are getting the same RB in the 1st as me, then getting a better WR in the 2nd than me.So I am now feeling I need to get out in front by drafting either Moss or Brady in the first.a) Moss - I get the best WR, then a 6-10 RB.b) Brady - I get the best QB, then either a top 5 WR or a 6-10 RB.I am consistently getting a higher VBD going with either a or b over any RB-WR combo I've tried.I also over the years have been good at getting late value at WR and RB...which makes me feel better about waiting on either.
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I'm with you on option A. I will take Moss if the top 5 guys (LT, AP, Westy, SJax, Addai) are gone when it gets to me. I've even been experimenting with WR/WR as my last few drafts have had Grant and Maroney as my picks in the 4th and 5th. I'll keep playing with the mock drafts.
 
Txns8 said:
Dolfan said:
Drafted from the 6 spot today.

QBs get 6 pts/TD -- other than that pretty standard scoring.

Lineup: 1 QB; 2 RB; 2 WR; 1 RB/WR; 1 TE; 1 K; 1 DST.

1.06 R. Moss (Brady was gone and I was confident in my ability to pick up decent RBs in the 2-4 rounds)

2.07 L. Johnson (Steal if he can stay healthy)

3.06 M. Turner (May be a reach?)

4. 07 A. Gates (My #1 TE -- hope he starts week 1)

5.06 D. McNabb

6.07 B. Berrian (IF Favre goes to Minny, this could turn out really nice)

7.06 F. Taylor (Pretty good value here IMO)

8.07 C. Chambers

9.06 Chris Johnson

10.07 Ricky Williams

11.06 Reggie Brown (McNabb-Brown connection)

12.07 Jerry Porter (Need him to get healthy -- could be a decent WR2 by mid-season though)

13.06 Buffalo DST

14.07 Josh Scobee
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Interesting team. Who else was there when you took Turner? What about QB's left when you took McNabb in the 5th? I've had him available for me in the 6th which usually means a stronger #2 than Berrian.
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L. Maroney, R. Johnson, and E. Graham were all there when I took Turner. I know a lot of people on this board probably had all 3 of those guys ahead of Turner :shrug: Hasselbeck, Bulger, and Cutler were the next 3 QBs to go after I took McNabb..

Like I said, I bumped Berrian up just a bit on the idea that there's a chance Brett Favre ends up in Minnesota. If that happens, I really think Berrian could be a top-12 receiver this year...

 
Txns8 said:
gump said:
After numerous mocks, I'm starting to move away from my original plan of starting RB-WR. It seems to me that the guys IN FRONT of me are getting a better RB in the 1st than me, then getting the same WR in the 2nd as me. The guys BEHIND me are getting the same RB in the 1st as me, then getting a better WR in the 2nd than me.So I am now feeling I need to get out in front by drafting either Moss or Brady in the first.a) Moss - I get the best WR, then a 6-10 RB.b) Brady - I get the best QB, then either a top 5 WR or a 6-10 RB.I am consistently getting a higher VBD going with either a or b over any RB-WR combo I've tried.I also over the years have been good at getting late value at WR and RB...which makes me feel better about waiting on either.
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I'm with you on option A. I will take Moss if the top 5 guys (LT, AP, Westy, SJax, Addai) are gone when it gets to me. I've even been experimenting with WR/WR as my last few drafts have had Grant and Maroney as my picks in the 4th and 5th. I'll keep playing with the mock drafts.
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I think you will be mightily disappointed with your plan for Grant in the 4th and Maroney in the 5th (though he is dropping to mid-lat 3rd). Just sayin'
 
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