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Andre Johnson groin injury (1 Viewer)

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This gem in the news yesterday (apologies for a honda if it is, my search turned up nothing and no mention of this in the Houston thread, hopefully because it really is nothing):

Johnson’s groin provides big scare (courtesy of FBG news blog)

Gist of the article is that he pulled up after a deep pass and left the field to be safe. So far there doesn't seem to be a tear or anything, but we won't know if he's good to go until practice on Monday. Here's to hoping for the best, he's absolutely a fantasy stud, but I'm still not sure if he's fully recovered from the knee surgery and now this. Stay tuned, I'm assuming coolnerd will have updates on this.

If you're like me you kept Andre Johnson after his injury in week 2 and hoped that he'd be back right away based on the news, or the lack thereof, about his injury. He came back... well further than a couple of weeks. With that went my season, I didn't bother making a move for another playmaker at the WR spot until too late in the fantasy season.

 
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If the groin continues to bother him and that's an area that takes time to heal you gotta drop Schaub a little I would think. I'd bump up Owen Daniels though. Walter,Andre Davis and JacobyJones may be serviceable but no of them would jump out to put up AJ like numbers.

 
I see AJ going in the late 2nd round as a #1 WR in 10 team mock drafts I've been in. I would be too nervous to take him at that spot.

 
Yet another guy I consider overrated having issues too early ie potentially knocking his value down :lol: Let this stuff happen in season #@$ it

 
AJ needs to have a long talk with Bruce or Muhammad because they're the two guys I can think of who have had similar issues but have found a way to solve them for at least a season or two.

 
Yesterday I drafted him in a 10 team (in-person) live draft as my WR1 at 3.05. I saw the headline on NFL.com about the groin tweak during the draft, but still took him ahead of Chad Johnson, TJ, Plexico, Colston or Steve Smith.

If you snag 3 or 4 WRs in your first 7 picks, your team should have enough depth to handle any missed games by AJ. When he plays, his PPG #s dominate and will win you games. I don't want to just put together another playoff team, I want a championship, so give me AJ every day after Moss/Owens/Wayne/Fitzgerald/Braylon are off the board.

 
wow..there's a SHOCKER..AJ is hurt, AGAIN?!?! didn't see that coming... :rolleyes:

between AJ and Steve Smith , the pundits who ranked them as top 10 WR's are kicking themselves.. :lmao:

neither can stay healthy, and one has anger management problems..

 
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Tanner9919 said:
wow..there's a SHOCKER..AJ is hurt, AGAIN?!?! didn't see that coming... :mellow:
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Why do people think AJ is so injury prone?Before last season, he played all 16 games in three of his four seasons. Its not like he missed games last year due to multiple injuries. He has had two injuries in his 5 year career.

Here is a list of WR's who have had just as many or more inuries over the last 5 years.

Randy Moss, has only played 16 games twice in his last four seasons.

Larry Fitzgerald has only played 16 games in two of his four seasons.

Housh has missed games in 3 of his 6 seasons.

Boldin has only played 16 games twice in 5 seasons.

Burress has only played 16 games in 2 of his last 4 seasons.

Roy Williams has only played 16 games in 1 of his 4 seasons.

Only 3 WR's ranked in the top 20 with more than 3 seasons played have stayed relatively healthy are Owens, CJ, and Wayne.

 
AJ plays, but he is always banged up, and it shows. He's a monster when healthy, but that seems to be something like 4-5 times a season.

 
Jimmy James said:
AJ plays, but he is always banged up, and it shows. He's a monster when healthy, but that seems to be something like 4-5 times a season.
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It didnt show last year when he played. The guy averaged more points per game than every WR besides Moss. It wasnt being bangd up that hurt him in previous years, it was having Carr throwing to him.
 
AJ's 100 yard games last year came in weeks 1 and 2 and then in weeks 11 and 13 immediately after he came back from injury. It's actually interesting because those games are around 120 yards and the last 4 are around 80 yards. That's quite a pronounced difference.

 
Jimmy James said:
AJ's 100 yard games last year came in weeks 1 and 2 and then in weeks 11 and 13 immediately after he came back from injury. It's actually interesting because those games are around 120 yards and the last 4 are around 80 yards. That's quite a pronounced difference.
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His last 4 games projected over a full season works out to be 112 rec, 1264 yards and 12 TD's. If those are his numbers when he is "banged up" i cant wait to see what he does when he is 100%.
 
Burning Sensation said:
Jimmy James said:
AJ's 100 yard games last year came in weeks 1 and 2 and then in weeks 11 and 13 immediately after he came back from injury. It's actually interesting because those games are around 120 yards and the last 4 are around 80 yards. That's quite a pronounced difference.
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His last 4 games projected over a full season works out to be 112 rec, 1264 yards and 12 TD's. If those are his numbers when he is "banged up" i cant wait to see what he does when he is 100%.
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I can't, either because he never seems to make it more than a week or two at 100% or even close enough to 100% that he's not on the injury report. 1200 is nice (and more than he has ever posted), but AJ gets taken in my leagues early enough that he's not exceeding expectations with that sort of number.

 
Jimmy James said:
Burning Sensation said:
Jimmy James said:
AJ's 100 yard games last year came in weeks 1 and 2 and then in weeks 11 and 13 immediately after he came back from injury. It's actually interesting because those games are around 120 yards and the last 4 are around 80 yards. That's quite a pronounced difference.
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His last 4 games projected over a full season works out to be 112 rec, 1264 yards and 12 TD's. If those are his numbers when he is "banged up" i cant wait to see what he does when he is 100%.
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I can't, either because he never seems to make it more than a week or two at 100% or even close enough to 100% that he's not on the injury report. 1200 is nice (and more than he has ever posted), but AJ gets taken in my leagues early enough that he's not exceeding expectations with that sort of number.
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Other than the 7 games he missed last year with the same injury, how many games has he been on the injury report over his 5 year career? If Reggie Wayne misses 7 games in 2008, is he going to get an injury prone label in 2009?

 
Jimmy James said:
AJ needs to have a long talk with Bruce or Muhammad because they're the two guys I can think of who have had similar issues but have found a way to solve them for at least a season or two.
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The Rams training staff outfitted Bruce with special shoes that helped correct his trouble.
 
Burning Sensation said:
Jimmy James said:
Burning Sensation said:
Jimmy James said:
AJ's 100 yard games last year came in weeks 1 and 2 and then in weeks 11 and 13 immediately after he came back from injury. It's actually interesting because those games are around 120 yards and the last 4 are around 80 yards. That's quite a pronounced difference.
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His last 4 games projected over a full season works out to be 112 rec, 1264 yards and 12 TD's. If those are his numbers when he is "banged up" i cant wait to see what he does when he is 100%.
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I can't, either because he never seems to make it more than a week or two at 100% or even close enough to 100% that he's not on the injury report. 1200 is nice (and more than he has ever posted), but AJ gets taken in my leagues early enough that he's not exceeding expectations with that sort of number.
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Other than the 7 games he missed last year with the same injury, how many games has he been on the injury report over his 5 year career? If Reggie Wayne misses 7 games in 2008, is he going to get an injury prone label in 2009?
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You want to rethink that comparison. Wayne has started every game for 5 years and has played every game since his rookie year.
 
Jimmy James said:
Burning Sensation said:
Jimmy James said:
Burning Sensation said:
Jimmy James said:
AJ's 100 yard games last year came in weeks 1 and 2 and then in weeks 11 and 13 immediately after he came back from injury. It's actually interesting because those games are around 120 yards and the last 4 are around 80 yards. That's quite a pronounced difference.
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His last 4 games projected over a full season works out to be 112 rec, 1264 yards and 12 TD's. If those are his numbers when he is "banged up" i cant wait to see what he does when he is 100%.
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I can't, either because he never seems to make it more than a week or two at 100% or even close enough to 100% that he's not on the injury report. 1200 is nice (and more than he has ever posted), but AJ gets taken in my leagues early enough that he's not exceeding expectations with that sort of number.
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Other than the 7 games he missed last year with the same injury, how many games has he been on the injury report over his 5 year career? If Reggie Wayne misses 7 games in 2008, is he going to get an injury prone label in 2009?
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You want to rethink that comparison. Wayne has started every game for 5 years and has played every game since his rookie year.
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Andre Johnson played 61 of 64 games in his career before last season. Care to find another top 20 WR with a better % than that other than Wayne or Chad Johnson?
 
Yeah, that 61 of 64 is now 70 out of 80. That's not so great. He's missed a substantial fraction of a season out of 5.

Again, more troubling than that is the way his numbers spike and then fall when he's banged up. People are buying thinking he's going to put the 1500 yard season together. It hasn't happened yet.

 
Jimmy James said:
Yeah, that 61 of 64 is now 70 out of 80. That's not so great. He's missed a substantial fraction of a season out of 5.

Again, more troubling than that is the way his numbers spike and then fall when he's banged up. People are buying thinking he's going to put the 1500 yard season together. It hasn't happened yet.
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:)
 
Pigskin Fanatic said:
This gem in the news yesterday (apologies for a honda if it is, my search turned up nothing and no mention of this in the Houston thread, hopefully because it really is nothing):
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No hard feelings, but: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...p;#entry8983930

:rolleyes:

Johnson is 27, he really wants to play, and he walked around on his own shortly after coming up lame. He played at a high level after returning from injury last year.

Drafting him is not for the faint of heart, but if this episode drops him any further in the draft, then there might be some value there if you can stomach the risk. If you trust your ability to draft well deep in the draft, then the risk might be worth it. I don't think handcuffing a WR is ever a priority, but Andre Davis might be one to look at very late if you take Johnson early.

 
didn't see that on the Houston camp thread Flea.

update from camp today:

Notes:@ WR Andre Johnson skipped the morning practice after suffering a minor groin injury on Saturday. "We're very fortunate with Andre," Kubiak said. "But we're going to take the cautious approach." Kubiak said he would decide later in the week whether to play Johnson on Saturday. ...
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Linkedit: changed the title of the thread, i had read "pulled up lame" as "pulled a hammy" for some reason when i read that article the first time.

 
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Pigskin Fanatic said:
didn't see that on the Houston camp thread Flea.

update from camp today:

Notes:@ WR Andre Johnson skipped the morning practice after suffering a minor groin injury on Saturday. "We're very fortunate with Andre," Kubiak said. "But we're going to take the cautious approach." Kubiak said he would decide later in the week whether to play Johnson on Saturday. ...
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Linkedit: changed the title of the thread, i had read "pulled up lame" as "pulled a hammy" for some reason when i read that article the first time.
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Have any information if he did any "work" today (afternoon)? Routes or anything to do with least excercising the legs? I'm about OTC and have to decide between AJ and Fitzgerald. AJ is a beast on the field but scares me to use 1st round pick on guy who gets knicked up after comes back from knee surgery.
 
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Burning Sensation said:
Tanner9919 said:
wow..there's a SHOCKER..AJ is hurt, AGAIN?!?! didn't see that coming... :thumbdown:
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Why do people think AJ is so injury prone?Before last season, he played all 16 games in three of his four seasons. Its not like he missed games last year due to multiple injuries. He has had two injuries in his 5 year career.

Here is a list of WR's who have had just as many or more inuries over the last 5 years.

Randy Moss, has only played 16 games twice in his last four seasons.

Larry Fitzgerald has only played 16 games in two of his four seasons.

Housh has missed games in 3 of his 6 seasons.

Boldin has only played 16 games twice in 5 seasons.

Burress has only played 16 games in 2 of his last 4 seasons.

Roy Williams has only played 16 games in 1 of his 4 seasons.

Only 3 WR's ranked in the top 20 with more than 3 seasons played have stayed relatively healthy are Owens, CJ, and Wayne.
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Please don't try to bring facts into threads filled with people's perceptions!
 
Buckna said:
Burning Sensation said:
Tanner9919 said:
wow..there's a SHOCKER..AJ is hurt, AGAIN?!?! didn't see that coming... :thumbdown:
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Why do people think AJ is so injury prone?Before last season, he played all 16 games in three of his four seasons. Its not like he missed games last year due to multiple injuries. He has had two injuries in his 5 year career.

Here is a list of WR's who have had just as many or more inuries over the last 5 years.

Randy Moss, has only played 16 games twice in his last four seasons.

Larry Fitzgerald has only played 16 games in two of his four seasons.

Housh has missed games in 3 of his 6 seasons.

Boldin has only played 16 games twice in 5 seasons.

Burress has only played 16 games in 2 of his last 4 seasons.

Roy Williams has only played 16 games in 1 of his 4 seasons.

Only 3 WR's ranked in the top 20 with more than 3 seasons played have stayed relatively healthy are Owens, CJ, and Wayne.
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Please don't try to bring facts into threads filled with people's perceptions!
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Actually, I lied about Owens, he only played 1 full season in the last 6.
 
From the FBG news blog:

August 7, 2008, 14:43

Texans :: WR

Texans WR Johnson Not Expected To Play Saturday

Houston Chronicle - [Full Article]

Houston Texans WR Andre Johnson wull most likely be stuck on the sidelines when his team takes on the Denver Broncos Saturday. Since suffering a groin injury last week, he has been running on the side during practices. The doctors don't want to rush him back and take a chance on aggravating the injury. "He's better, but as of now, there's a very slim chance that he'll play," coach Gary Kubiak said. "If we were playing a regular-season game, we'd be pushing him."
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Link to full articleI am officially pimping Andre Davis as the best sleeper receiver on the boards in 2008. Weeks 3-7 with the other Andre out of the lineup, Davis put up: 4/70/0, 5/117/1, 4/79/0, 3/30/0, 4/88/1. I don't know where his ADP is but that's better than value, that's a solid WR3 numbers there in the most shallowest of leagues. Of course take this with a grain of salt, it is entirely possible AJ will be fine come the season opener. Something to keep an eye on if you have a late draft like I do.

 
Season Team Receiving Rushing Fumbles

___________________GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost

2007 Houston Texans 9 9 60 851 14.2 77T 8 -- -- -- -- -- 1 1

2006 Houston Texans 16 16 103 1,147 11.1 53 5 3 14 4.7 18 0 1 0

2005 Houston Texans 13 13 63 688 10.9 53T 2 6 10 1.7 5 0 1 1

2004 Houston Texans 16 16 79 1,142 14.5 54T 6 4 12 3.0 14 0 1 1

2003 Houston Texans 16 16 66 976 14.8 46T 4 5 -10 -2.0 11 0 -- --

I'm just not seeing where he is as big an injury risk as he is made out to be.

What do you say?

 
The quad/hammy in 05 was no big deal. The knee from last year worries me a bit; especially since it flared up again this off-season. I'll still draft him expecting 16 games, but if he misses time, I have no one to blame but myself.

 
I'm going to have to pick between AJ and Calvin Johnson.

I shouldn't be..... but I am considering Cal.

AJ's knee and now groin worry me.

 
Knee still bothering him from last year, needing scoping 4 months ago? Check.

Tweaked groin still bothering him enough to keep him off the field? Check.

Groins and Hammy's are two HUGE red flags for WRs.... buyer beware. Does that mean they're not just being careful and he'll be 100% and go 16 games? Possibly. That said the odds are not in his favor given his RECENT history (last 4 months).

 
This is the AJ thread I should have bumped...his injury history is blown out of proportion but the guy has already tweaked his groin in the preseason? Could easily be nothing considering he's a vet they don't need to push anything...but coming off last season it's not promising.

 
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/JohnAn02-2.php

WR23

WR22

WR47

WR18

WR22

In his three "healthy" years, he's finished between WR18 and WR23. This year, despite missing a chunk of last season and still rehabbing (after another procedure this summer), he's going WR6. That BAFFLES me.

Show me another player where people are so willing to bet on an unprecedented fantasy finish. Johnson has been in the league for 5 years, and has been a top-20 fantasy wideout ONCE, and hasn't sniffed the top-10. Yet he's going WR6!??!!? I'm not touching him with a 10-foot pole.

 
Jason Wood said:
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/JohnAn02-2.php

WR23

WR22

WR47

WR18

WR22

In his three "healthy" years, he's finished between WR18 and WR23. This year, despite missing a chunk of last season and still rehabbing (after another procedure this summer), he's going WR6. That BAFFLES me.

Show me another player where people are so willing to bet on an unprecedented fantasy finish. Johnson has been in the league for 5 years, and has been a top-20 fantasy wideout ONCE, and hasn't sniffed the top-10. Yet he's going WR6!??!!? I'm not touching him with a 10-foot pole.
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Some people draft based on future production, not past production. If the injury scares you, then by all means dont draft him, but in his first year without Carr, he was on pace to finish as the #2 WR. If you dont think David Carr had anything to do with his lack of fantasy production, ask Steve Smith. :lmao:
 
Jason Wood said:
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/JohnAn02-2.php

WR23

WR22

WR47

WR18

WR22

In his three "healthy" years, he's finished between WR18 and WR23. This year, despite missing a chunk of last season and still rehabbing (after another procedure this summer), he's going WR6. That BAFFLES me.

Show me another player where people are so willing to bet on an unprecedented fantasy finish. Johnson has been in the league for 5 years, and has been a top-20 fantasy wideout ONCE, and hasn't sniffed the top-10. Yet he's going WR6!??!!? I'm not touching him with a 10-foot pole.
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I see you have Roy Williams as your #12 WR. In four seasons, he has finished better than WR29 ONCE.
 
Burning Sensation said:
Jason Wood said:
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/JohnAn02-2.php

WR23

WR22

WR47

WR18

WR22

In his three "healthy" years, he's finished between WR18 and WR23. This year, despite missing a chunk of last season and still rehabbing (after another procedure this summer), he's going WR6. That BAFFLES me.

Show me another player where people are so willing to bet on an unprecedented fantasy finish. Johnson has been in the league for 5 years, and has been a top-20 fantasy wideout ONCE, and hasn't sniffed the top-10. Yet he's going WR6!??!!? I'm not touching him with a 10-foot pole.
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Some people draft based on future production, not past production. If the injury scares you, then by all means dont draft him, but in his first year without Carr, he was on pace to finish as the #2 WR. If you dont think David Carr had anything to do with his lack of fantasy production, ask Steve Smith. ;)
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:P
 
Burning Sensation said:
Jason Wood said:
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/JohnAn02-2.php

WR23

WR22

WR47

WR18

WR22

In his three "healthy" years, he's finished between WR18 and WR23. This year, despite missing a chunk of last season and still rehabbing (after another procedure this summer), he's going WR6. That BAFFLES me.

Show me another player where people are so willing to bet on an unprecedented fantasy finish. Johnson has been in the league for 5 years, and has been a top-20 fantasy wideout ONCE, and hasn't sniffed the top-10. Yet he's going WR6!??!!? I'm not touching him with a 10-foot pole.
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I see you have Roy Williams as your #12 WR. In four seasons, he has finished better than WR29 ONCE.
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:goodposting: too
 
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