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Just drew the 3rd pick in a 12 team .5 points per reception league.

Start 1 QB, 1-2 RB's, 3-4 WR's, 1 TE, 1 PK and 1 Team D

Looking at probably Westy, SJax and AP sitting there at #3.

Would like a 2nd RB in either round two or three, but I don't see any value there. Looks more and more like I'll be going WR-WR.

I expect to go Brady here. VBD shows him at 3 in my fanball league and 1st in 2 other leagues.

I see LT and AP at 1 and 2. I am thinking of trying to trade down to 5 and grab Brady.

brettdj said:

I expect to go Brady here. VBD shows him at 3 in my fanball league and 1st in 2 other leagues.I see LT and AP at 1 and 2. I am thinking of trying to trade down to 5 and grab Brady.

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That VBD is predicated on him throwing for 40 TD and 4,200 yards.Think about that long and hard before drafting him.

Payne said:

Just drew the 3rd pick in a 12 team .5 points per reception league.Start 1 QB, 1-2 RB's, 3-4 WR's, 1 TE, 1 PK and 1 Team DLooking at probably Westy, SJax and AP sitting there at #3.Would like a 2nd RB in either round two or three, but I don't see any value there. Looks more and more like I'll be going WR-WR.

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I am drafting #2 and I am in the same situation in wanting a RB in round 2 but seeing none worth drafting. However, I am afraid all the good backs will be gone by the late fourth round when I pick.

Got the 3rd pick also. I already have been assured that #1 will be ADP, and #2 will be LT.

But that's not the point of my post....

Wanted to give this thread a

My strategy pretty much revolves around whetther or not Romo is available. It has been many years since I've had a top end QB, and he makes sense at that spot. If he is gone.... then the WR-WR, WR-RB debate begins!

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TJ-Raider said:

Got the 3rd pick also. I already have been assured that #1 will be ADP, and #2 will be LT.

But that's not the point of my post....

There is some good info in this thread about late 2nd early 3rd round strategies.

Also wanted to give this thread a

My strategy pretty much revolves around whetther or not Romo is available. It has been many years since I've had a top end QB, and he makes sense at that spot. If he is gone.... then the WR-WR, WR-RB debate begins!

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I think you linked the wrong thread.The more research I do, the more I don't like this pick.

I assume LT and AP are going 1 and 2. That leaves me with Westy and Jackson. Neither of them make me real comfortable.

Westy probably should be the pick, but he scares me.

My plan is to take a WR in round 2 unless one of the upper tier RB's make it back. Bush seems to be the only possibility and I highly doubt that.

Round 3 is either going to be a QB (Brees possibly) or another upper tier WR.

Rounds 4 and 5 will either be RB / QB or RB / RB

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brettdj said:

I expect to go Brady here. VBD shows him at 3 in my fanball league and 1st in 2 other leagues.I see LT and AP at 1 and 2. I am thinking of trying to trade down to 5 and grab Brady.

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That VBD is predicated on him throwing for 40 TD and 4,200 yards.Think about that long and hard before drafting him.

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I dropped him down to 35 and VBD still showed #2 for BradyThat being said pick #2 went Brady and I got AP.

Just got done with my re-draft. Had the 3rd pick.

Starting roster: QB; WR; WR; RB; RB; WR/RB; TE; DEF; K

1 PPR

One disclaimer: My computer accidently picked Cooley when I wanted to pick Rudi Johnson (if that had happened, I would really love my draft but oh well). Also, my computer hung and I got the Jake Delhomme pick from yahoo. I am not so upset with that pick since I wanted to pick back to back QBs there anyways; I will take the QBs I landed up with. Lots of QBBC potential with some great situations and talent

Feel free to comment/critique etc....hopefully helps those of u drafting soon with 3rd pick

My team:

QB: Favre; Delhomme; Leinart; Warner (I have a feeling the Warner insurance might be a great move....will see)

RB: Westbrook; Michael Turner; Matt Forte; Ricky Williams; Chris Perry; Andre Hall (Denver)

WR: Andre Johnson; Marques Colston; Marvin Harrison (I am sold on his return & love this trio in PPR); Branch

TE: Chris Cooley (see comment above; could have got Daniels so much later and got Rudi instead; dang)

DEF: Green Bay; Seattle

K: Will pick later once I decide whom to dump from my RB or QB depth

Round Pick Player Position

1. (3) Brian Westbrook RB

2. (22) Andre Johnson WR

3. (27) Marques Colston WR

4. (46) Michael Turner RB

5. (51) Marvin Harrison WR

6. (70) Chris Cooley TE

7. (75) Matt Forte RB

8. (94) Jake Delhomme QB

9. (99) Brett Favre QB

10. (118) Green Bay DEF

11. (123) Ricky Williams RB

12. (142) Deion Branch WR

13. (147) Matt Leinart QB

14. (166) Kurt Warner QB

15. (171) Seattle DEF

16. (190) Chris Perry RB

17. (195) Andre Hall RB

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If u really care about how the entire draft went, here it is:

Round 1

1. LaDainian Tomlinson Abe's Aces

2. Adrian Peterson Portland Pun...

3. Brian Westbrook Da Bearsssss

4. Joseph Addai Les Mouflons

5. Randy Moss Hole in the ...

6. Steven Jackson tOSU preseas...

7. Tom Brady Steel Champs

8. Frank Gore Borilla's Go...

9. Clinton Portis Fumbleroosky

10. Marion Barber seakickers

11. Marshawn Lynch Raider Nation

12. Reggie Wayne Doey's Do Go...

Round 2

1. Peyton Manning Doey's Do Go...

2. Larry Johnson Raider Nation

3. Maurice Jones-Drew seakickers

4. Terrell Owens Fumbleroosky

5. Braylon Edwards Borilla's Go...

6. Willis McGahee Steel Champs

7. Reggie Bush tOSU preseas...

8. Brandon Jacobs Hole in the ...

9. Ronnie Brown Les Mouflons

10. Andre Johnson Da Bearsssss

11. Willie Parker Portland Pun...

12. Larry Fitzgerald Abe's Aces

Round 3

1. Jamal Lewis Abe's Aces

2. Tony Romo Portland Pun...

3. Marques Colston Da Bearsssss

4. Torry Holt Les Mouflons

5. T.J. Houshmandzadeh Hole in the ...

6. Ryan Grant tOSU preseas...

7. Steve Smith Steel Champs

8. Drew Brees Borilla's Go...

9. Plaxico Burress Fumbleroosky

10. Chad Johnson seakickers

11. Roy Williams Raider Nation

12. Wes Welker Doey's Do Go...

Round 4

1. Earnest Graham Doey's Do Go...

2. Carson Palmer Raider Nation

3. Matt Hasselbeck seakickers

4. Derek Anderson Fumbleroosky

5. Antonio Gates Borilla's Go...

6. Julius Jones Steel Champs

7. Jerricho Cotchery tOSU preseas...

8. Laurence Maroney Hole in the ...

9. Darren McFadden Les Mouflons

10. Michael Turner Da Bearsssss

11. Brandon Marshall Portland Pun...

12. Greg Jennings Abe's Aces

Round 5

1. Ben Roethlisberger Abe's Aces

2. Jason Witten Portland Pun...

3. Marvin Harrison Da Bearsssss

4. Anquan Boldin Les Mouflons

5. Kellen Winslow Hole in the ...

6. Santonio Holmes tOSU preseas...

7. Calvin Johnson Steel Champs

8. LenDale White Borilla's Go...

9. Tony Gonzalez Fumbleroosky

10. Dallas Clark seakickers

11. Edgerrin James Raider Nation

12. Selvin Young Doey's Do Go...

Round 6

1. Chicago Doey's Do Go...

2. Jeremy Shockey Raider Nation

3. Minnesota seakickers

4. Thomas Jones Fumbleroosky

5. Lee Evans Borilla's Go...

6. Vernon Davis Steel Champs

7. Donovan McNabb tOSU preseas...

8. Hines Ward Hole in the ...

9. Marc Bulger Les Mouflons

10. Chris Cooley Da Bearsssss

11. Kevin Curtis Portland Pun...

12. Roddy White Abe's Aces

Round 7

1. David Garrard Abe's Aces

2. Jonathan Stewart Portland Pun...

3. Matt Forte Da Bearsssss

4. Laveranues Coles Les Mouflons

5. Eli Manning Hole in the ...

6. San Diego tOSU preseas...

7. Chris Chambers Steel Champs

8. Chester Taylor Borilla's Go...

9. Dwayne Bowe Fumbleroosky

10. Joey Galloway seakickers

11. Rudi Johnson Raider Nation

12. Tony Scheffler Doey's Do Go...

Round 8

1. Santana Moss Doey's Do Go...

2. Donald Driver Raider Nation

3. Nate Burleson seakickers

4. Kevin Smith Fumbleroosky

5. Jay Cutler Borilla's Go...

6. Fred Taylor Steel Champs

7. Todd Heap tOSU preseas...

8. Patrick Crayton Hole in the ...

9. DeAngelo Williams Les Mouflons

10. Jake Delhomme Da Bearsssss

11. Dallas Portland Pun...

12. Felix Jones Abe's Aces

Round 9

1. Bernard Berrian Abe's Aces

2. Derrick Mason Portland Pun...

3. Brett Favre Da Bearsssss

4. Benjamin Watson Les Mouflons

5. Jacksonville Hole in the ...

6. Nick Folk tOSU preseas...

7. New England Steel Champs

8. New York Borilla's Go...

9. Pittsburgh Fumbleroosky

10. Javon Walker seakickers

11. Baltimore Raider Nation

12. Reggie Brown Doey's Do Go...

Round 10

1. Matt Schaub Doey's Do Go...

2. Justin Fargas Raider Nation

3. Ahman Green seakickers

4. Shayne Graham Fumbleroosky

5. Bryant Johnson Borilla's Go...

6. LaMont Jordan Steel Champs

7. D.J. Hackett tOSU preseas...

8. Isaac Bruce Hole in the ...

9. Rashard Mendenhall Les Mouflons

10. Green Bay Da Bearsssss

11. Adam Vinatieri Portland Pun...

12. Anthony Gonzalez Abe's Aces

Round 11

1. Heath Miller Abe's Aces

2. Philip Rivers Portland Pun...

3. Ricky Williams Da Bearsssss

4. Tennessee Les Mouflons

5. Kenny Watson Hole in the ...

6. Owen Daniels tOSU preseas...

7. Jason Campbell Steel Champs

8. Jerry Porter Borilla's Go...

9. Deuce McAllister Fumbleroosky

10. Aaron Rodgers seakickers

11. Jon Kitna Raider Nation

12. Jerious Norwood Doey's Do Go...

Round 12

1. Nate Kaeding Doey's Do Go...

2. Donte' Stallworth Raider Nation

3. Reggie Williams seakickers

4. Alge Crumpler Fumbleroosky

5. Tatum Bell Borilla's Go...

6. Ted Ginn Jr. Steel Champs

7. Ahmad Bradshaw tOSU preseas...

8. Vince Young Hole in the ...

9. Vincent Jackson Les Mouflons

10. Deion Branch Da Bearsssss

11. Donald Lee Portland Pun...

12. Chris Johnson Abe's Aces

Round 13

1. Leon Washington Abe's Aces

2. Kevin Walter Portland Pun...

3. Matt Leinart Da Bearsssss

4. Rob Bironas Les Mouflons

5. Greg Olsen Hole in the ...

6. Drew Bennett tOSU preseas...

7. Ben Utecht Steel Champs

8. L.J. Smith Borilla's Go...

9. Antwaan Randle El Fumbleroosky

10. Sidney Rice seakickers

11. Ronald Curry Raider Nation

12. Chris Baker Doey's Do Go...

Round 14

1. Bobby Engram Doey's Do Go...

2. JaMarcus Russell Raider Nation

3. Chris Brown seakickers

4. Jeff Garcia Fumbleroosky

5. Stephen Gostkowski Borilla's Go...

6. Ryan Torain Steel Champs

7. Josh Scobee tOSU preseas...

8. DeShaun Foster Hole in the ...

9. Kevin Jones Les Mouflons

10. Kurt Warner Da Bearsssss

11. Warrick Dunn Portland Pun...

12. Dominic Rhodes Abe's Aces

Round 15

1. Devin Hester Abe's Aces

2. Justin Gage Portland Pun...

3. Seattle Da Bearsssss

4. Muhsin Muhammad Les Mouflons

5. Amani Toomer Hole in the ...

6. Alex Smith tOSU preseas...

7. Darrell Jackson Steel Champs

8. Phil Dawson Borilla's Go...

9. Neil Rackers Fumbleroosky

10. Josh Brown seakickers

11. David Akers Raider Nation

12. Indianapolis Doey's Do Go...

Round 16

1. Travis Henry Doey's Do Go...

2. Zach Miller Raider Nation

3. Arizona seakickers

4. Houston Fumbleroosky

5. Tampa Bay Borilla's Go...

6. Philadelphia Steel Champs

7. Denver tOSU preseas...

8. Washington Hole in the ...

9. Kevin Boss Les Mouflons

10. Chris Perry Da Bearsssss

11. Ladell Betts Portland Pun...

12. Buffalo Abe's Aces

Round 17

1. Mason Crosby Abe's Aces

2. Detroit Portland Pun...

3. Andre Hall Da Bearsssss

4. Chad Pennington Les Mouflons

5. Robbie Gould Hole in the ...

6. Cedric Benson tOSU preseas...

7. Kris Brown Steel Champs

8. Shaun Alexander Borilla's Go...

9. Mark Clayton Fumbleroosky

10. Jeff Reed seakickers

11. Carolina Raider Nation

12. Ryan Longwell Doey's Do Go...

Thanks. When was this draft held? Can't believe T Jones is still falling to the 6th.

Edit: Nevermind. I see you just finished this draft.

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Thanks. When was this draft held? Can't believe T Jones is still falling to the 6th.Edit: Nevermind. I see you just finished this draft.

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Thomas Jones is not someone a lot of people get excited over. I think the Leon Washington factor comes into play too.

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Payne said:

Thanks. When was this draft held? Can't believe T Jones is still falling to the 6th.Edit: Nevermind. I see you just finished this draft.

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Thomas Jones is not someone a lot of people get excited over. I think the Leon Washington factor comes into play too.

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I'm just saying if I start Westbrook, WR-WR, I'd love for Jones to be there in the 5th or 6th round.I don't see it happening though. Especially with #4 in New York now.

I did a mock from that spot recently. Went Westy-Colston-Brees-L. White-Holmes. A. Johnson was there at 3.3 but his injury history scares me. Best RB available at 3.3 was Jamal Lewis.

So there probably will be viable RB-WR-WR and RB-WR-RB options if you go those routes.

ETA: Jones went at 4.9, one pick before mine. I would have taken him had he lasted.

I am sitting there with the third pick also. I am not comfortable with this slot at all. Westy was excellent last year, but the Iggles traded for LoBook for a reason. They will be limiting Westy's touches somewhat this year. No stinkin' way I'm taking SJax or Gore. I'm a Colts homer and I seriously think Addai's gonna loose carries to Rhodes and he just seems fragile to me. Would love to trade down to the 5th spot and take MBIII there. If that doesn't happen, am I crazy for thinking about taking Barber at 3rd? FWIW, no way I'm taking Brady either.

Probably going WR/WR/RB after that, but who knows. It really depends on who's there. In all of the mocks I've done lately, TJones is long gone buy our 4th round pick. You are looking at Edge, LenDale, Selvin... at that spot.

In a TD-heavy league, I think a case can be made for Barber.

In a conventional or PPR league, I would still take Westy. "We'll give lots of touches to other RBs" is up there with "we won't pass so much this year" on the list of lies that Reid constantly tells. Plus, they didn't give him a new contract with the expectation of reducing his role in the offense.

Booker is Westy insurance. He'll get a few touches a game, and on a few plays be deployed with Westy to confuse the hell out of defenses, but he's no threat to cut into Westy's production significantly.

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I am sitting there with the third pick also. I am not comfortable with this slot at all. Westy was excellent last year, but the Iggles traded for LoBook for a reason. They will be limiting Westy's touches somewhat this year. No stinkin' way I'm taking SJax or Gore. I'm a Colts homer and I seriously think Addai's gonna loose carries to Rhodes and he just seems fragile to me. Would love to trade down to the 5th spot and take MBIII there. If that doesn't happen, am I crazy for thinking about taking Barber at 3rd? FWIW, no way I'm taking Brady either.Probably going WR/WR/RB after that, but who knows. It really depends on who's there. In all of the mocks I've done lately, TJones is long gone buy our 4th round pick. You are looking at Edge, LenDale, Selvin... at that spot.

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I'm thinking the same thing. I'm trying to trade back to the 6 spot in round 1 to take Barber. If I can't work a trade, I'm goin' off the charts and taking MBIII. I'm glad to see someone else thinking the same way as me!!!

I've been working the phones hard to drop back to 6-12. I'm even willing to just swap 1st & 2nd rounders.

Figure I could go Portis, LJ or Moss in round 1 and grab a low tier 1 RB or stud WR in round 2.

Then go WR in round 3. That opens up the possibility of going RB-RB-WR-WR.

Edit: Forgot to mention that nobody is biting at all. This is in a .5 PPR league too.

Looks like I'm going to be "stuck" with Westbrook. Could be worse.

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I've been working the phones hard to drop back to 6-12. I'm even willing to just swap 1st & 2nd rounders.Figure I could go Portis, LJ or Moss in round 1 and grab a low tier 1 RB or stud WR in round 2.Then go WR in round 3. That opens up the possibility of going RB-RB-WR-WR.Edit: Forgot to mention that nobody is biting at all. This is in a .5 PPR league too.Looks like I'm going to be "stuck" with Westbrook. Could be worse.

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I cannot believe you are scared of going with Westy in a PPR league. If he gets injured, he gets injured. Make sure to get Lo Book as insurance late if you must. I did not because Lo Book is still on my WW and our WW is FCFS so I know I can get him since I will be watching Westy's games closely every weekend.I would be much more scared getting the 4th pick with the SJax hold out. Addai is not someone who will win you a league (something Westy will BTW). With Westy, you are guaranteed 15+ points on almost every week in a PPR league. Why would you not want that from your #1 pick?There are so many issues with LJ, Portis, Gore, SJax, Lynch etc that I cannot believe you are fretting over Westy. Also, I would much rather have Westy over Barber. I cannot see Barber staying healthy if he gets a majority of the carries given his bruising style of running. And the guy who mentioned Westy's contract extension - excellent point. They will ride him like every year. Take him, do not look back and then go WR WR RB/WR RB RB and kick some butt.....if my computer had not hung and I had got the chance to get Jones or Rudi in the 6th like I was planning to (instead of Cooley), I would have dominated this draft IMO. At least on paper right now.....like all of us know, they still play the games on Sundays between the lines.

It's a great spot. Be happy about it. You're in the money no matter what. LT AP BW in any order

Fantaholic said:

It's a great spot. Be happy about it. You're in the money no matter what. LT AP BW in any order

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Exactly .... I cannot believe he is fretting over the 3rd spot. In a PPR league, I would actually be more concerned with the 2nd spot because I am not sold on ADP in a PPR league, after his medicore last quarter of the year and with a healthy Chester Taylor there now

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It's a great spot. Be happy about it. You're in the money no matter what. LT AP BW in any order

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I've resigned to this, and I'm in a non PPR 12 team redraft. I can't overthink this pick. With SJax O line and hold out woes there is no decision to make here. I will not take Brady that high. So, I choose whatever one is left to me. I have no problem taking Westbrook here. Booker is nothing more than a backup. Westbrook is the team, and will get every chance to excel. I even believe his TD's go up this year. I see a lot of Tiki in Westbrook - he may be 29 but he's in his prime now.Actually, I think there's a shot that Westy or Brady goes #2 in our league. So I may bet ADP.

OK, huddle up fellow #3's - with SJax back any way you consider him at 3 in a non PPR league? Or is Westbrook still the play? Addai is off my list. He'll win games but not win you championships. He's not the type of back that dominates late in the year either. But SJax is. So for me it's Westbrook vs. SJax (not Brady even in our all TD's 6 point league). Does McNabb having 1 less option with the Curtis injury factor in the Westbrook decision at all?

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OK, huddle up fellow #3's - with SJax back any way you consider him at 3 in a non PPR league? Or is Westbrook still the play? Addai is off my list. He'll win games but not win you championships. He's not the type of back that dominates late in the year either. But SJax is. So for me it's Westbrook vs. SJax (not Brady even in our all TD's 6 point league). Does McNabb having 1 less option with the Curtis injury factor in the Westbrook decision at all?

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I'm in a simliar position, as well. Draftying #3 in a PPR league. Honestly, I think ADP has #1 capabilities, but I also see a bust factor here, this from an owner who drafted him in the 3rd round last year and got ridiculed over it. Combined with the fact defenses will be concentrating on him this year and the lack of an established passing game, I'm worried AP may disappoint owners taking him with the top 3 picks. With SJax reporting to camp, I'm considering taking him. Is the Vikes OL great enough to provide holes for AP even with 8 men in the box?EDIT: I would take LT or Westy before AP or SJax in PPR.

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OK, huddle up fellow #3's - with SJax back any way you consider him at 3 in a non PPR league? Or is Westbrook still the play? Addai is off my list. He'll win games but not win you championships. He's not the type of back that dominates late in the year either. But SJax is. So for me it's Westbrook vs. SJax (not Brady even in our all TD's 6 point league). Does McNabb having 1 less option with the Curtis injury factor in the Westbrook decision at all?

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I am considering SJax now for my 12 team non-PPR draft on Sunday. But StL makes me nervous. Their line isn't as good as PHI's, and Bulger isn't as mobile as McNabb. Plus I think if Bulger gets hurt that team is D-O-N-E (Trent Green?? Really??). Just based on talent alone you have to think about Jackson in non-PPR. If this was a PPR league I'd take Westy to the bank.

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Judge Smails said:

OK, huddle up fellow #3's - with SJax back any way you consider him at 3 in a non PPR league? Or is Westbrook still the play? Addai is off my list. He'll win games but not win you championships. He's not the type of back that dominates late in the year either. But SJax is. So for me it's Westbrook vs. SJax (not Brady even in our all TD's 6 point league). Does McNabb having 1 less option with the Curtis injury factor in the Westbrook decision at all?

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I'm in a simliar position, as well. Draftying #3 in a PPR league. Honestly, I think ADP has #1 capabilities, but I also see a bust factor here, this from an owner who drafted him in the 3rd round last year and got ridiculed over it. Combined with the fact defenses will be concentrating on him this year and the lack of an established passing game, I'm worried AP may disappoint owners taking him with the top 3 picks. With SJax reporting to camp, I'm considering taking him. Is the Vikes OL great enough to provide holes for AP even with 8 men in the box?EDIT: I would take LT or Westy before AP or SJax in PPR.

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The answer to the question is "yes," but I also think a lot of people are going to be surprised by the MN passing game this year. Tavaris has improved significantly, and with Berrian and Rice to throw to he can make teams pay for keying on AP. (I'm a Bears fan people, this is hard stuff to write).

LT / AP

Westy / SJax

Addai / Barber / Gore

wraith5 said:

pfalvey said:

Judge Smails said:

OK, huddle up fellow #3's - with SJax back any way you consider him at 3 in a non PPR league? Or is Westbrook still the play? Addai is off my list. He'll win games but not win you championships. He's not the type of back that dominates late in the year either. But SJax is. So for me it's Westbrook vs. SJax (not Brady even in our all TD's 6 point league). Does McNabb having 1 less option with the Curtis injury factor in the Westbrook decision at all?

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I'm in a simliar position, as well. Draftying #3 in a PPR league. Honestly, I think ADP has #1 capabilities, but I also see a bust factor here, this from an owner who drafted him in the 3rd round last year and got ridiculed over it. Combined with the fact defenses will be concentrating on him this year and the lack of an established passing game, I'm worried AP may disappoint owners taking him with the top 3 picks. With SJax reporting to camp, I'm considering taking him. Is the Vikes OL great enough to provide holes for AP even with 8 men in the box?EDIT: I would take LT or Westy before AP or SJax in PPR.

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The answer to the question is "yes," but I also think a lot of people are going to be surprised by the MN passing game this year. Tavaris has improved significantly, and with Berrian and Rice to throw to he can make teams pay for keying on AP. (I'm a Bears fan people, this is hard stuff to write).

LT / AP

Westy / SJax

Addai / Barber / Gore

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I agree with this. (Though in most leagues I believe Brady will be gone by 5.) So Westy or SJax at 3 in a non PPR?

I've done several mocks from the 3 spot since I draft there this year. We start 3 WR's w/ no flex.

Pretty much every time I go Westbrook and then have Ryan Grant or Brandon Jacobs available in the second, as well as TJ Housh, Chad Johnson and Drew Brees. Half the time, Colston is there. Half the time B-Roth is there in the 5th, but it looks like McNabb is always there in the 6th and, at the time, it seems prudent to grab him at that spot unless someone else falls and then you can wait for Schaub or someone.

eta: Also, it seems Deangelo Williams is available way later than I think he should be, so, really, you could absolutely wait until several rounds in to go RB2 if you can grab the best elsewhere. Owen Daniels always shows up in a good slot, too. I also seem to end up with Jerricho Cotchery a lot, sometimes in round 5 which is great for our start 3 WR league.

Just completed a 10 team, 16 player redraft. Standard scoring start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D/ST

I went ADP then the 3 WRs. I know my TEs have same bye but I liked the value so I took Daniels in the 14th round.

QB McNabb

QB Delhomme

RB A Peterson

RB E Graham

RB S Young

RB K Smith

RB C Taylor

WR R Wayne

WR S Smith (Car)

WR M Colston

WR J Cotchery

WR T Ginn

TE Scheffler

TE Daniels

K Vinatieri

Def Cowboys

The more mocks I do from the 3 spot, the more I hate it.

McBokonon said:

I've done several mocks from the 3 spot since I draft there this year. We start 3 WR's w/ no flex.Pretty much every time I go Westbrook and then have Ryan Grant or Brandon Jacobs available in the second, as well as TJ Housh, Chad Johnson and Drew Brees. Half the time, Colston is there. Half the time B-Roth is there in the 5th, but it looks like McNabb is always there in the 6th and, at the time, it seems prudent to grab him at that spot unless someone else falls and then you can wait for Schaub or someone.eta: Also, it seems Deangelo Williams is available way later than I think he should be, so, really, you could absolutely wait until several rounds in to go RB2 if you can grab the best elsewhere. Owen Daniels always shows up in a good slot, too. I also seem to end up with Jerricho Cotchery a lot, sometimes in round 5 which is great for our start 3 WR league.

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Great observations. Is this a 12 teamer? No PPR? I could be very happy with a team that looked like SJax or Westy, Grant in round 2 and a pretty decent receiver in round 3. Then WR WR McNabb. Or SJax/Westy, Romo/Brees, then WR. Or SJax/Westy, Fitz/AJ type and then best available. I actually think you have lots of options from the 3 hole this year. Maybe not the best slot, but if you get good value in the middle/late rounds you should be able to build a solid squad to make the playoffs with any of those starting scenarios.

I have a trade agreement in principal from the 3rd to 6th spot, and I get his 5th rounder for my 6th rounder. What do you guys think? Is West/Jax that much better than the Gore/Barber/Brady(?) that I'll get in the 6th spot? The trade means that I'll draft three quick times in a row -- late 4th, early 5th, mid 5th -- then nothing in the 6th.

Thanks for your thoughts.

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I have a trade agreement in principal from the 3rd to 6th spot, and I get his 5th rounder for my 6th rounder. What do you guys think? Is West/Jax that much better than the Gore/Barber/Brady(?) that I'll get in the 6th spot? The trade means that I'll draft three quick times in a row -- late 4th, early 5th, mid 5th -- then nothing in the 6th.Thanks for your thoughts.

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I would have had to at least swap 2nd round picks to do this. I think it will make a significant difference in the WR that may be available to you if you were planning to go in that direction.

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I've done several mocks from the 3 spot since I draft there this year. We start 3 WR's w/ no flex.Pretty much every time I go Westbrook and then have Ryan Grant or Brandon Jacobs available in the second, as well as TJ Housh, Chad Johnson and Drew Brees. Half the time, Colston is there. Half the time B-Roth is there in the 5th, but it looks like McNabb is always there in the 6th and, at the time, it seems prudent to grab him at that spot unless someone else falls and then you can wait for Schaub or someone.eta: Also, it seems Deangelo Williams is available way later than I think he should be, so, really, you could absolutely wait until several rounds in to go RB2 if you can grab the best elsewhere. Owen Daniels always shows up in a good slot, too. I also seem to end up with Jerricho Cotchery a lot, sometimes in round 5 which is great for our start 3 WR league.

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Great observations. Is this a 12 teamer? No PPR? I could be very happy with a team that looked like SJax or Westy, Grant in round 2 and a pretty decent receiver in round 3. Then WR WR McNabb. Or SJax/Westy, Romo/Brees, then WR. Or SJax/Westy, Fitz/AJ type and then best available. I actually think you have lots of options from the 3 hole this year. Maybe not the best slot, but if you get good value in the middle/late rounds you should be able to build a solid squad to make the playoffs with any of those starting scenarios.

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Thanks. Yes, 12 teams, no PPR. We drafted today and while it's not as bad as I feared, I'm still not declaring myself a playoff team yet. You can see that a lot of guys I named above ended up where I thought they would. We start 3 WR's, no flex.QB: Ben Rothliesberger (round 5)QB: Jeff Garcia (15)RB: Brian Westbrook (1)RB: Michael Turner (4)RB: Deangelo Williams (7)RB: Justin Fargas (8)RB: Maurice Morris (10)RB: Steve Slaton (13)WR: Marques Colston (2)WR: Chad Johnson (3)WR: Donald Driver (6)WR: Mark Clayton (11)WR: Justin Gage (12)WR: Laurent Robinson (14)TE: Owen Daniels (9)DEF: Titans (16)K: Neil Rackers (17)Hope this helps a little, was a pretty normal draft in the long run.

I have pick #3 and if ADP is there he is certainly my choice. However, I believe LT and ADP will be 1 & 2.

I know Westbrook is the consesus pick here, But I am not a Westbrook fan (how can I like someone who would take a knee at the goal line).

So that leaves a group of about 4 RBs (SJax, Addai, Gore, and MB3). I feel that 3 is too early to take Moss or Brady.

Of the 4 RBs named I believe that Addai and MB3 are surrounded by the best offenses and that is enough for me to pass on SJax and Gore.

I do not believe either Addai or MB3 would be a bust or disappointment at #3. To me MB3 seems to have a greater upside, so he will likely be my choice at #3.

Here is how my draft turned out, I drafted Saturday in a 12 team, PPR and flex league, start 2 RB and 3 WR. The number in ( ) is the round I took the player in.

QB: Cutler (round 6)

QB A.Rodgers (11)

QB T.Jackson (18)

RB: A.Peterson (1)

RB M.Turner (5)

RB Chris Johnson (7)

RB Chester Taylor (9)

RB Fargas (10)

RB Slaton (14)

WR: Colston (2)

WR Housh (3)

WR S.Holmes (4)

WR V.Jackson (8)

WR D.Bennett (12)

WR S.Rice (15)

WR Ch. Henry (16)

WR Randle El (17)

TE: Scheffler (13)

Def: Titans (19)

K: Scobee (20)

Every year we have the previous year's champion grade everybody's draft and my team was 1 of 2 to get an A. I was very happy to get Holmes in the 4th and Turner in the 5th. BTW, the other team that got an A drafted from the 4th slot.

I'm in a 14 team PPR league that favors pass happy QBs.

For weeks I've been resigned to draft whoever's remaining out of the top 3, based on VBD. Either: LT2, Brady or ADP.

With the latest official FBG projections, Westbrook vaulted from #4 overall to #3 overall, overtaking ADP by a wide margin.

Here are the current VBD numbers:

LT2[222]
Westy[201]
Brady[187]
ADP[158]Is Westy really that much better than ADP? It's not even a close margin, nearly 3 points a game. At this point, I'm thinking about trading down to pick #4 and have them make the decision for me.

Based on these new projections is it terrible to draft ADP 3rd overall?

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I'm in a 14 team PPR league that favors pass happy QBs.

For weeks I've been resigned to draft whoever's remaining out of the top 3, based on VBD. Either: LT2, Brady or ADP.

With the latest official FBG projections, Westbrook vaulted from #4 overall to #3 overall, overtaking ADP by a wide margin.

Here are the current VBD numbers:

LT2[222]
Westy[201]
Brady[187]
ADP[158]Is Westy really that much better than ADP? It's not even a close margin, nearly 3 points a game. At this point, I'm thinking about trading down to pick #4 and have them make the decision for me.

Based on these new projections is it terrible to draft ADP 3rd overall?

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In a non-PPR league I would take AP over Westy because of AP's upside. However, in a PPR, I think both backs have the same upside, but Westy is a much more reliable pick to finish in the top 2 or 3. Same upside, less risk, IMO. This coming from an AP owner who missed out on Westy with the 3rd pick in a PPR league (Westy went #2).

Drafted this afternoon, 12 team non-PPR, 2 RB, 3 WR + 1 flex. The guy at 2 took Westy, which gave me AP on a silver platter. Both of my live drafts have gone LT, Westy, AP - but the other league is a PPR, so that made more sense to me. Some surprises as always - only 15 rounds, so the bench is very thin at spots.

McNabb (7)

Young (13)

AP (1)

Jacobs (3)

Edge (4)

Perry (10)

Fitz (2)

Cotchery (6)

Galloway (8)

Mason (9)

Ginn, Jr. (11)

Witten (5)

Scobee (15)

JAX (12)

BUF (14)

There is a ton of TE talent left out there - only 1 team took a back-up.

Had my 14-team draft this evening. Got the #3 spot. PPR, 30yds/pt passing, 10 yds/pt rushing, 15 yds/pt receiving, 25 yds/pt returning. All TDs 6pts, all turnovers -2. Start QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, TE, K, DEF.

In a PPR league, Westy ranks REALLY high. And I'm an Eagles homer to boot. Brady went #1 (to a Pats homer), LT #2. I took Westy over ADP, and got mocked in the chat. Oh well. The draft itself had its ups and downs. This is what I got.

QB: Palmer (4), Garcia (12)

RB: Westy (1), Jacobs (3), S Young (5), Slaton (14)

WR: TJ Hous (2), Burleson (6), Crayton (7), Ginn (9), Hackett (11)

TE: Daniels (8), Z Miller (13)

K: Vinatieri (10)

DEF: Buffalo (15)

Some comments/observation:

- I bumped up returners a rounds from their ADP. Hence the slight reaches for Burleson and Ginn (though it sounds like Walrus is now pulling Burleson from return duties ). Ginn could be huge. DD ranks him WR15 with the return yardage.

- I didn't plan on taking a QB so early. Stud RB in round 1 ... stud WR in round 2 (WRs went early- TJHous was actually the 9th taken). Jacobs seemed to represent better value in the 3rd over the WRs on the board (guys like Plax, Holmes, Cotchery, Jennings) so I took him. Then Palmer fell to late 4th ... and I couldn't stop myself.

- Round 5 I screwed up. I'm almost ashamed to admit what happened. This is a Yahoo draft, and while waiting for your turn you can drag-and-drop available players into a queue. So I my top picks for WR, RB, and TE lined up. I intended to take L Coles as my WR2 ... but somehow ended with Selvin Young After that, there was that horrible 22 pick gap before my next turn. And with it, pretty much every reasonable WR2 (and many WR3's) went off the board. I know ... guppie move on my part.

- At that point, I was trying to salvage my receiving squad (trying to scoop up some return values). Considering where I was picking, I think I was lucky to get guys as good as I did. For example, on either side of my Crayton pick were Javon Walker and Jerry Porter.

- FBG's had Buffalo as DEF6. Do I believe that? I dunno ... but it's a last round pick anyway. Still defenses on the board, and time to switch things around.

WRs went really fast, and RBs stayed on the board a lot longer than I thought they would. From #3, I still like RB/WR to start. I say to don't do what I did ... have your core WRs in place before the long gap after 5.03

Anyway, hope this is of use/interest to anyone out there!

Cutler (7)

McNabb (9)

Westy (1)

Turner (4)

T Jones (5)

Chris Johnson (8)

M Morris (12)

Hall (16)

A Johnson (2)

Colston (3)

Driver (6)

V Jackson (10)

S Rice (13)

Desean Jackson (15)

Z Miller (11)

Dawson (17)

Baltimore(14)

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Cutler (7)McNabb (9)Westy (1)Turner (4)T Jones (5)Chris Johnson (8)M Morris (12)Hall (16)A Johnson (2)Colston (3)Driver (6)V Jackson (10)S Rice (13)Desean Jackson (15)Z Miller (11)Dawson (17)Baltimore(14)

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If this is a 12 teamer, I would be very happy with your draft.

I'm sitting here w/ the #3 in a semi slow draft and I think I know what I want for my 2nd rd pick, but thoughts? Start 1QB/1RB/2WR/1TE/2 flex (RB/WR/TE)

Here's the draft so far (0.5 PPR RBs 1PPR WR/TE):

1.01 1. Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB

1.02 2. Peterson, Adrian MIN RB

1.03 3. Westbrook, Brian PHI RB

1.04 4. Addai, Joseph IND RB

1.05 5. Jackson, Steven STL RB

1.06 6. Brady, Tom NEP QB

1.07 7. Gore, Frank SFO RB

1.08 8. Barber, Marion DAL RB

1.09 9. Moss, Randy NEP WR

1.10 10. Portis, Clinton WAS RB

1.11 11. Wayne, Reggie IND WR

1.12 12. Owens, Terrell DAL WR

2.01 13. Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR

2.02 14. Edwards, Braylon CLE WR

2.03 15. Lynch, Marshawn BUF RB

2.04 16. Johnson, Andre HOU WR

2.05 17. Johnson, Larry KCC RB Mon

2.06 18. Colston, Marques NOS WR

2.07 19. Grant, Ryan GBP RB

2.08 20. Houshmandzadeh, T.J. CIN WR

2.09 21. Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB

Is Reggie Bush the obvious choice? Holt is there but I just can't see any other value here w/ CJ hurt now. Thinking Romo/S Smith/Cal Johnson in 3?

If full PPR, then Bush absolute no brainer there. .5? Still solid - probably the way I'd go with only a 2WR start requirement. Coupled with Westy - pretty strong.

Man, I'm really having to prepare for the worst here and change my thinking. I think that people are feeling real scarcity in QB's right now with Manning's issue (and even Palmer's, as he thins a tier below the big 4, err, 3 now). I have little hope that Romo or Brees makes it back to me in the 2nd round drafting 2.10 (6 point all TD league). Along with QB's, it's apparent that runs on WR's are a certainty. I was hoping the likes of Andre Johnson, Colston etc would fall there, but now not so sure. Smith/Marshall facing suspensions, others like Housh hurting, etc and I'm almost thinking that the value here is going to be in RB. Maybe a Ryan Grant, MJD type, I dunno. One of the above named receivers (suspension or not) will be back around in round 3. I'm not necessarily thrilled with this approach, as I do believe there is some potential RB value later, though lots of risk involved. Words out on McFadden. He won't drop in our league - 3rd/4th for sure.

So, let's focus on 2/3 turn. Assuming you go Westy/SJax, how would you rank your options?

Mine:

1) If Brees is there I'm taking him (Romo long gone). Then will go best value in the 3 spot. Could go RB (I feel confident I can draft 3 startable WR's in rounds 4-6 if I had to).

2) Andre Johnson or Colston level, then most likely another WR in round 3 - draft QB's late in this scenario

3) Grant/MJD then 3 Wr's in rounds 3-5

Only potential change is if I see a big tier with Big Ben and he comes back to him in late 4th/early 5th I may change up #'s 1 and 2 above.

Thoughts on this thinking? (12 team redraft, no PPR, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, K, DST, all TD's 6 points, bonuses at 100/300 yards)

Just drafted from the 3 spot last night in a 12 team $$$ league. 1QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 3 Flex, Def., K (all td's 6 points, standard scoring, non-ppr).

Was ecstatic that Brady was picked 1st, enabling AP to fall to me. Brees was easily the best player on my board at 3.03, with my only other considerations being bad boys Steve Smith and Marshall.

Wasn't planning on taking a TE early, but none had been picked when it came to me at the top of round 5, and Witten was too good of a value to pass up.

Normally don't take a defense that early, but I surmised that the next 3 players I wanted (Ginn, Hall, Hightower) would still be available in rounds 12 - 14, and I have Dallas as my #1 ranked defense, and knew they would soon be gone if I passed on them at 11.03.

1.03 AP

2.10 B. Edwards

3.03 Brees

4.10 Calvin Johnson

5.03 Witten

6.10 Chestor Taylor

7.03 Chris Johnson

8.10 Burleson

9.03 Ray Rice

10.10 Warner

11.03 Dallas Defense

12.10 Ginn

13.03 Andre Hall

14.10 Hightower

15.03 Zach Miller

16.10 Rackers

Judge Smails said:

If full PPR, then Bush absolute no brainer there. .5? Still solid - probably the way I'd go with only a 2WR start requirement. Coupled with Westy - pretty strong.

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Yeah ended up going Bush...then the next 4 picks (2/3 turn) went Holt, Brees, Jacobs. Romo is staring me in the face (5pt pass TD), and only Smith, Plax or Chad J left for WR's. Colston is LONG gone already, so Romo is the choice. Surprised he fell this far, tbh. Oh, and Manning is still on board, but with his knee....Romo me thinks.

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Judge Smails said:

If full PPR, then Bush absolute no brainer there. .5? Still solid - probably the way I'd go with only a 2WR start requirement. Coupled with Westy - pretty strong.

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Yeah ended up going Bush...then the next 4 picks (2/3 turn) went Holt, Brees, Jacobs. Romo is staring me in the face (5pt pass TD), and only Smith, Plax or Chad J left for WR's. Colston is LONG gone already, so Romo is the choice. Surprised he fell this far, tbh. Oh, and Manning is still on board, but with his knee....Romo me thinks.

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Man, maybe stuff will fall in my lap. FE - say ROMO as fast as you can.

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fasteddie_21 said:

Judge Smails said:

If full PPR, then Bush absolute no brainer there. .5? Still solid - probably the way I'd go with only a 2WR start requirement. Coupled with Westy - pretty strong.

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Yeah ended up going Bush...then the next 4 picks (2/3 turn) went Holt, Brees, Jacobs. Romo is staring me in the face (5pt pass TD), and only Smith, Plax or Chad J left for WR's. Colston is LONG gone already, so Romo is the choice. Surprised he fell this far, tbh. Oh, and Manning is still on board, but with his knee....Romo me thinks.

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Man, maybe stuff will fall in my lap. FE - say ROMO as fast as you can.

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Yeah, I did lol. Amazed at how the draft is falling to me thus far. Serious run on WR's but there's good value to be had late, imo.

Didn't see this thread and posted the below in the 4-6, Are you taking SJAX as well thread.

I have a draft next week @ the 3 spot, non PPR and I am seriously looking at SJAX over Westy (Believe LT & ADP will be gone).

My fear is that in a non PPR and bonus for over 100 yds rush/rec, Westy would have to follow up a career year and I just don't see it.

I think he is a great player, but I am just having a very difficult time getting behind him as the #3 OVERALL pick, add in the fact he is gonna be 29 with injury history.

On the other hand, you have SJAX who was the consensus # 2 last year, obviously got injured last year, but closed out the season extremely strong.

We know he is going to get 20+ a game, catches out of the backfield, goal line carries and can simply run dudes over and is only 25.

The offense appears healthy this year, so basically, does anyone have a legit reason why in a non PPR, SJAX should not be drafted over Westy?????

I mean I buy Westy as a top NFL back, but as the # 3 overall FF back, I don't know......

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