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Calvin Johnson vs Santonio Holmes (1 Viewer)

whodeywhodey

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I'm running into this dilemma in just about every draft that I have been in. It seems that these 2 are always available when I am picking and no matter who I pick the other one is gone about 2-4 picks later.

So who would you rather have for 2008? I'm just not sold that Kitna will put up 20+ TDs this year whereas I would be shocked if Big Ben didn't put up 24+ TDs. I think that Holmes is the choice here but its very close.

Now put CJ2 on the Steelers and its a no brainer, imo.

 
I think you've captured it nicely. Calvin is the superior talent, but Santonio has the superior situation so you would be safe in picking him. But as a Lions homer, I would go with Calvin. He has the talent to transcend a poor situation.

 
whodeywhodey said:
I'm running into this dilemma in just about every draft that I have been in. It seems that these 2 are always available when I am picking and no matter who I pick the other one is gone about 2-4 picks later.

So who would you rather have for 2008? I'm just not sold that Kitna will put up 20+ TDs this year whereas I would be shocked if Big Ben didn't put up 24+ TDs. I think that Holmes is the choice here but its very close.

Now put CJ2 on the Steelers and its a no brainer, imo.
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All boils down to risk. Holmes seems like the safer pick, but Calvin has huge upside. Count me in the minority that thinks the Lions passing game will improve with Martz gone. I think I would personally take Calvin.

BTW, what pick/round are you looking at these guys?

 
Johnson has been huge so far in the pre-season. I agree with most the comments already posted. There really does seem to be a chunk of wr's available in the late 3rd/4th round that really are hard to nail down.

Holmes

C. Johnson

Steve Smith (suspension)

Marshall (suspension)

Boldin

Roy Williams

Holt (at times I have seen him fall to late 3rd)

I don't feel really sure about any of these guys. Holmes has been solid but is he a #1 wr. Smith has had his problems lately, as with Marshall.

 
I'm also a little worried about the Lions running game.

I think the Steelers will have a better offense overall than the Lions. And Holmes is the WR1 there now whereas there is basically a WRBC in Detroit.

This is a close one.

 
jurrassic said:
Johnson has been huge so far in the pre-season. I agree with most the comments already posted. There really does seem to be a chunk of wr's available in the late 3rd/4th round that really are hard to nail down.

Holmes

C. Johnson

Steve Smith (suspension)

Marshall (suspension)

Boldin

Roy Williams

Holt (at times I have seen him fall to late 3rd)

I don't feel really sure about any of these guys. Holmes has been solid but is he a #1 wr. Smith has had his problems lately, as with Marshall.
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I think he is being grossly undervalued in some of the mocks I've done. I think Holmes and Johnson is a talent v. situation - but I think that Holmes is pretty talented also. I also think Johnson is going to be better than last year. I think I'd take CJ right now, although it is very, very close.

 
jurrassic said:
Johnson has been huge so far in the pre-season. I agree with most the comments already posted. There really does seem to be a chunk of wr's available in the late 3rd/4th round that really are hard to nail down.

Holmes

C. Johnson

Steve Smith (suspension)

Marshall (suspension)

Boldin

Roy Williams

Holt (at times I have seen him fall to late 3rd)

I don't feel really sure about any of these guys. Holmes has been solid but is he a #1 wr. Smith has had his problems lately, as with Marshall.
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O.K., this is something I'm continuing to see, and that is seeing Roy Williams being ranked higher than Calvin Johnson. Don't mean to hijack this thread, just looking for answer rather than posting a topic for a solitary question?How is Williams ranking higher than Johnson? I just don't see it that way at all.

 
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Calvin by a lot. Holmes can become a 1,000-1,200 yard/6-8 TD type of WR.

Calvin WILL be a 1,300-1,600 yard/10-16 TD type as soon as this season. His downside this year barring injury is Holme's upside.

Some of the gupps are biting on the Holmes chum, let em do it and enjoy CJ's breakout.

 
FBGPoker said:
Calvin by a lot. Holmes can become a 1,000-1,200 yard/6-8 TD type of WR.Calvin WILL be a 1,300-1,600 yard/10-16 TD type as soon as this season. His downside this year barring injury is Holme's upside.Some of the gupps are biting on the Holmes chum, let em do it and enjoy CJ's breakout.
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Whoa. Hold on a second. There is no way that the Lions have that kind of season on offense. I'm just not seeing it this year. And I think you are not giving Holmes the credit he deserves.
 
FBGPoker said:
Calvin by a lot. Holmes can become a 1,000-1,200 yard/6-8 TD type of WR.Calvin WILL be a 1,300-1,600 yard/10-16 TD type as soon as this season. His downside this year barring injury is Holme's upside.Some of the gupps are biting on the Holmes chum, let em do it and enjoy CJ's breakout.
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That's where I'm comin' from.This guy is a special talent. Imagine if he was in a "good" offense.
 
FBGPoker said:
Calvin by a lot. Holmes can become a 1,000-1,200 yard/6-8 TD type of WR.Calvin WILL be a 1,300-1,600 yard/10-16 TD type as soon as this season. His downside this year barring injury is Holme's upside.Some of the gupps are biting on the Holmes chum, let em do it and enjoy CJ's breakout.
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How many TD's did Kitna throw last year?Have the Lions gone forward or backward this year? :)
 
whodeywhodey said:
FBGPoker said:
Calvin by a lot. Holmes can become a 1,000-1,200 yard/6-8 TD type of WR.Calvin WILL be a 1,300-1,600 yard/10-16 TD type as soon as this season. His downside this year barring injury is Holme's upside.Some of the gupps are biting on the Holmes chum, let em do it and enjoy CJ's breakout.
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Whoa. Hold on a second. There is no way that the Lions have that kind of season on offense. I'm just not seeing it this year. And I think you are not giving Holmes the credit he deserves.
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The Lions will have a good enough offense where the most talented WR outside of Randy Moss will be able to put up 1,300-1,500/10-16 TD's.This guy is extremely special, don't ever take a solid yet unspectacular talent like Holmes over CJ unless the situation with the far superior player is downright atrocious, which CJ's isn't.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
How many TD's did Kitna throw last year?Have the Lions gone forward or backward this year? :popcorn:
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1. 18 (20 ints)2. As far as passing goes I think they have gone backwards with the "loss" of MartzSo let's say that CJ2 gets the average of your projection (about 13) and Roy gets about 9 TDs. That already puts Kitna at 22 TDs. So in all likelihood that would put Kitna at or above the 30 total TD mark. Not gonna happen.
 
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FBGPoker said:
Calvin by a lot. Holmes can become a 1,000-1,200 yard/6-8 TD type of WR.Calvin WILL be a 1,300-1,600 yard/10-16 TD type as soon as this season. His downside this year barring injury is Holme's upside.Some of the gupps are biting on the Holmes chum, let em do it and enjoy CJ's breakout.
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How many TD's did Kitna throw last year?Have the Lions gone forward or backward this year? :popcorn:
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It's irrelevant how many TD's Kitna had last year when looking at CJ. CJ was an injured rookie last year, he will be so much better this year it's gonna be frightening.CJ has gone so far forward this year that even if the Lions as a whole have gone backward he'll still produce like a super star.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
FBGPoker said:
Calvin by a lot. Holmes can become a 1,000-1,200 yard/6-8 TD type of WR.Calvin WILL be a 1,300-1,600 yard/10-16 TD type as soon as this season. His downside this year barring injury is Holme's upside.Some of the gupps are biting on the Holmes chum, let em do it and enjoy CJ's breakout.
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How many TD's did Kitna throw last year?Have the Lions gone forward or backward this year? :popcorn:
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Martz leaving is a good thing for Calvin and Roy both. The slot guys had more combined targets than Calvin and Roy last year. That will not be the case this year. The passing game looked great against the Giants. The shorter drops by Kitna lessens the number of sacks and combined with more bootlegs, it gives Kitna more chances to get the ball to the playmakers (Calvin and Roy). Calvin has had a great camp and an even better 10 minutes in last weeks preseason game. He looks uncoverable right now.
 
whodeywhodey said:
ScoobyDoo said:
How many TD's did Kitna throw last year?Have the Lions gone forward or backward this year? :popcorn:
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1. 18 (20 ints)2. As far as passing goes I think they have gone backwards with the "loss" of Martz
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Roy and CJ were hurt last season, plus CJ was a rookie, so even though Det will have less pass attempts then last season those attempts will be thrown to CJ and ROY and not to no-name/no-talent #1, no-name/no-talent #2, etc
 
This is a good thread because I have been asking myself this as well.

Holmes is the safer pick, but CJ could become a top 5 WR this year.

If I have a solid number 1 such as reggie wayne....I would be more likely to take a chance on CJ, and then just make sure to land a quality vetran WR a few rounds later like Santana Moss or Joey Galloway.

If you look at targets/per game:

S.Holmes 6.5

C.Johnson 6.3

They roughly had about the same amount of targets per game...Frankly I would be happy with either one of them.

 
I would be happy with either - as noted more potential riask/reward with Calvin

Holmes has the better offense and QB, and OC Arians likes to throw it

I think Holmes will get a lot of targets on the deep routes as well, so I will follow my usual MO and take the player I feel is in a better situation when it is this close

I take Holmes

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FBGPoker said:
ScoobyDoo said:
FBGPoker said:
Calvin by a lot. Holmes can become a 1,000-1,200 yard/6-8 TD type of WR.Calvin WILL be a 1,300-1,600 yard/10-16 TD type as soon as this season. His downside this year barring injury is Holme's upside.Some of the gupps are biting on the Holmes chum, let em do it and enjoy CJ's breakout.
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How many TD's did Kitna throw last year?Have the Lions gone forward or backward this year? :lmao:
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It's irrelevant how many TD's Kitna had last year when looking at CJ. CJ was an injured rookie last year, he will be so much better this year it's gonna be frightening.CJ has gone so far forward this year that even if the Lions as a whole have gone backward he'll still produce like a super star.
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I'm right there with ya.He's "today's" prototype receiver.
 
FBGPoker said:
ScoobyDoo said:
FBGPoker said:
Calvin by a lot. Holmes can become a 1,000-1,200 yard/6-8 TD type of WR.Calvin WILL be a 1,300-1,600 yard/10-16 TD type as soon as this season. His downside this year barring injury is Holme's upside.Some of the gupps are biting on the Holmes chum, let em do it and enjoy CJ's breakout.
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How many TD's did Kitna throw last year?Have the Lions gone forward or backward this year? :lmao:
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It's irrelevant how many TD's Kitna had last year when looking at CJ. CJ was an injured rookie last year, he will be so much better this year it's gonna be frightening.CJ has gone so far forward this year that even if the Lions as a whole have gone backward he'll still produce like a super star.
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Irrelevant?Ok. It's irrelevant.Who CJ is playing with is irrelevant folks. Draft him as if he was playing for the Patriots this year.
 
I agree with a lot that has been said here. I think Calvin is the superior talent but that Holmes is in the better situation. The only thing with Holmes is that he doesn't get a whole lot of red zone targets. He does have the speed to break lose for a long one though. I still think I like Calvin better. In fact, I just finished my first auction draft in which we have to start 4 WR's(TE's count as WR's). The league is a keeper in which we can keep 3 players for 3 years.

Going into the draft I was targeting both Calvin and Holmes as my WR2. Ended up I got both of them for $20 and $16 respectively. I also got Randy Moss for my #1 WR. Combined with Lynch and Lewis at RB and my team is pretty solid. I like both Calvin and Holmes. Holmes may outproduce him fantasy wise this year but I think Calvin will be better over the next few years. They are very close in all the projections/rankings I have seen from different sites.

 
RBM said:
FBGPoker said:
Anthony Borbely said:
He looks uncoverable right now.
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He doesn't just look uncoverable, he is. Outside of Randy Moss there isn't a WR who is going to wreck havoc on a defenses secondary like CJ will.
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Ha, you are the same guy that just predicted Chris Johnson would run for over 2000 yards this year. No offense, but how old are you?
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The Chris Johnson thing was a little bit over the top, but the stuff about Calvin is true, the guy is basically flawless as a WR.Speed? CheckSize? CheckRoute Running? CheckDeep ball tracking? CheckPersonality/Work Ethic? CheckHands? Check, although last year he did have some trouble his hands are usually a strength, not a weakness. But i guess someone could argue that his hands aren't all world like the rest of his skillsBottom line is that this is the PERFECT WR. You could go in a lab and not create a WR as perfect.
 
Holmes, without a doubt. He's extremely talented and in a much better offense. If we're talking dynasty then I'd probably be alot slower to decide, but for 2008 I like Holmes

 
I'm so confident in CJ2 this year I traded Colston for him in my contract league. I had 1 year (this one) left on Colston, CJ2 had an open contract meaning I can max him out. CJ is the type of talent I will overpay for. After this year CJ2 will be very hard to get IMO. So pay now are pay even more later.........BTW, I have Holmes too.

 
I was a Holmes owner last year, and while he was a great asset to the roster, especially as a WR3, he was a bit inconsistent. That may be based on how he was used (downfield threat), or the stage of his development (still improving in short route space awareness). That said, as a WR2 that he is being drafted as, I won't tolerate that inconsistency. He may improve on it this year, which he certainly is capable of, but if you look at the 2007 stat line, he had seven games of 60 yards or less. Another thing to consider is that Hines was hurt during a few of Santonio's big games (week 3 - 128/2, week 17 - 98/1). With Ward back in the mix, I see a little downturn to be considered (eta to add that people are putting Ward out to pasture way too soon).

All of this, of course, may very well be offset by Holmes improvement and experience. The question is how much you believe in one or the other. I believe he is still a solid value as a WR2...no question. But there are enough considerations that diminish his upside.

I see Calvin as the better selection, but only be a c-hair, and based on the fact that I believe he will be more consistent - since he is a more complete player.

 
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-jb- said:
I was a Holmes owner last year, and while he was a great asset to the roster, especially as a WR3, he was a bit inconsistent. That may be based on how he was used (downfield threat), or the stage of his development (still improving in short route space awareness). That said, as a WR2 that he is being drafted as, I won't tolerate that inconsistency. He may improve on it this year, which he certainly is capable of, but if you look at the 2007 stat line, he had seven games of 60 yards or less. Another thing to consider is that Hines was hurt during a few of Santonio's big games (week 3 - 128/2, week 17 - 98/1). With Ward back in the mix, I see a little downturn to be considered (eta to add that people are putting Ward out to pasture way too soon).All of this, of course, may very well be offset by Holmes improvement and experience. The question is how much you believe in one or the other. I believe he is still a solid value as a WR2...no question. But there are enough considerations that diminish his upside.I see Calvin as the better selection, but only be a c-hair, and based on the fact that I believe he will be more consistent - since he is a more complete player.
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Except for the inconsistent argument, which I never buy into for WRs (by nature of long receptions and the position, inconsistency happens for nearly everyone at one year or another--it's variance), this is a good post.Remember, Roy Williams has had one good season in the league. Hines Ward is a mainstay. Calvin has much more of a chance to be the guy than Holmes this year, and he's more talented. The Lions will throw the ball, don't worry. Their running game is terrible, and so is their defense, so they'll be behind a lot.Yes, Big Ben is much better than Kitna, but this is the only disadvantage here.
 
whodeywhodey said:
Keys Myaths said:
Their running game is terrible, and so is their defense, so they'll be behind a lot so defenses will be even more likely to key on the WRs.
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Fixed for you perhaps?
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Not at all, but thanks for the attempt. :excited: I'm not drafting Mike Furrey here. Defenses are pretty much going to key on Calvin Johnson anyway. They're stupid not to.

All my post indicates is that he'll have more opportunities, and therefore, more fantasy points.

 
Keys Myaths said:
-jb- said:
I was a Holmes owner last year, and while he was a great asset to the roster, especially as a WR3, he was a bit inconsistent. That may be based on how he was used (downfield threat), or the stage of his development (still improving in short route space awareness). That said, as a WR2 that he is being drafted as, I won't tolerate that inconsistency. He may improve on it this year, which he certainly is capable of, but if you look at the 2007 stat line, he had seven games of 60 yards or less. Another thing to consider is that Hines was hurt during a few of Santonio's big games (week 3 - 128/2, week 17 - 98/1). With Ward back in the mix, I see a little downturn to be considered (eta to add that people are putting Ward out to pasture way too soon).All of this, of course, may very well be offset by Holmes improvement and experience. The question is how much you believe in one or the other. I believe he is still a solid value as a WR2...no question. But there are enough considerations that diminish his upside.I see Calvin as the better selection, but only be a c-hair, and based on the fact that I believe he will be more consistent - since he is a more complete player.
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Except for the inconsistent argument, which I never buy into for WRs (by nature of long receptions and the position, inconsistency happens for nearly everyone at one year or another--it's variance), this is a good post.Remember, Roy Williams has had one good season in the league. Hines Ward is a mainstay. Calvin has much more of a chance to be the guy than Holmes this year, and he's more talented. The Lions will throw the ball, don't worry. Their running game is terrible, and so is their defense, so they'll be behind a lot.Yes, Big Ben is much better than Kitna, but this is the only disadvantage here.
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Understood on the inconsistency, and I tend to agree to an extent. I suppose it was exacerbated by the three games he missed - putting him 10 games below 60 yards. Granted, you have the option of starting someone else if you know he is out.
 
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I know Calvin has all of the measurables as far as size, speed, and vertical. My question on Johnson for those who had a chance to see him play often, is how fluid is he as a receiver? The limited number of times I had a chance to watch him, he doesn't look quick, although I know he does have straight line speed. Also, he goes up and makes some nice catches but he does it in a way that doesn't allow him to get yards after the catch. No doubt, he's big and fast, but he just doesn't seem as smooth and athletic as a Randy Moss or Owens.

I could be way off, just asking, because I haven't really had a chance to see him play much.

 
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HolmesC. JohnsonSteve Smith (suspension)Marshall (suspension)BoldinRoy WilliamsHolt (at times I have seen him fall to late 3rd)
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These are the 3rd and 4th rounders. I'd rank them as follows:Redraft1.Smith2.Marshall3.Roy4.Holt5.Calvin6.Boldin7.HolmesKeeper1.Marshall2.Smith3.Roy4.Calvin5.Boldin6.Holmes7.HoltEither way Calvin>Holmes.
 
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Understood on the inconsistency, and I tend to agree to an extent. I suppose it was exacerbated by the three games he missed - putting him 10 games below 60 yards. Granted, you have the option of starting someone else if you know he is out.
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Thanks for ripping off the scab I have from when Holmes gashed me by getting hurt in pre-game warmups during a key week last season. I love Holmes, but that pissed me off to no end. :thumbdown:
 
bumpman said:
-jb- said:
Understood on the inconsistency, and I tend to agree to an extent. I suppose it was exacerbated by the three games he missed - putting him 10 games below 60 yards. Granted, you have the option of starting someone else if you know he is out.
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Thanks for ripping off the scab I have from when Holmes gashed me by getting hurt in pre-game warmups during a key week last season. I love Holmes, but that pissed me off to no end. :thumbdown:
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FBGPoker said:
Calvin by a lot. Holmes can become a 1,000-1,200 yard/6-8 TD type of WR.Some of the gupps are biting on the Holmes chum, let em do it and enjoy CJ's breakout.
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As a rookie, Holmes played in 16 games and put up 49rec. 824yds 2TDs with a very banged up Big Ben at QB.Last year, Ben was healthy, but Holmes got injured and only played in 13 games. He still put up 52rec. 942yds and 8TDs.Holmes already accomplished in 13 games what you said he "can become". Take your Johnson man-love glasses off and you'll realize that Holmes is an excellent talent also.
 
FBGPoker said:
Calvin by a lot. Holmes can become a 1,000-1,200 yard/6-8 TD type of WR.Calvin WILL be a 1,300-1,600 yard/10-16 TD type as soon as this season. His downside this year barring injury is Holme's upside.Some of the gupps are biting on the Holmes chum, let em do it and enjoy CJ's breakout.
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where is he ranked on your big board? after R.Moss and nobody else? do you take him as your 2nd round pick? your WR1?IMO, I think CJ is going to take a little longer to post those stats. Two things need to happen:-Lions get a franchise QB (no offense to my boy Kitna)-ROY needs to be playing for someone else (he's too talented in his own right to have his cohort posting such garish #'s)
 
Steel Dillo said:
FBGPoker said:
Calvin by a lot. Holmes can become a 1,000-1,200 yard/6-8 TD type of WR.Some of the gupps are biting on the Holmes chum, let em do it and enjoy CJ's breakout.
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As a rookie, Holmes played in 16 games and put up 49rec. 824yds 2TDs with a very banged up Big Ben at QB.Last year, Ben was healthy, but Holmes got injured and only played in 13 games. He still put up 52rec. 942yds and 8TDs.Holmes already accomplished in 13 games what you said he "can become". Take your Johnson man-love glasses off and you'll realize that Holmes is an excellent talent also.
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:hot: This entire thread is nothing but a CJ love fest. There are going to be a lot of let down Johnson owners yet again this year. Holmes is the best WR on his team in a great offense and is a better NFL WR than Johnson right now. Johnson is the 2nd best WR on his team in a poor offense.
 
jurb26 said:
Steel Dillo said:
FBGPoker said:
Calvin by a lot. Holmes can become a 1,000-1,200 yard/6-8 TD type of WR.Some of the gupps are biting on the Holmes chum, let em do it and enjoy CJ's breakout.
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As a rookie, Holmes played in 16 games and put up 49rec. 824yds 2TDs with a very banged up Big Ben at QB.Last year, Ben was healthy, but Holmes got injured and only played in 13 games. He still put up 52rec. 942yds and 8TDs.Holmes already accomplished in 13 games what you said he "can become". Take your Johnson man-love glasses off and you'll realize that Holmes is an excellent talent also.
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:lmao: This entire thread is nothing but a CJ love fest. There are going to be a lot of let down Johnson owners yet again this year. Holmes is the best WR on his team in a great offense and is a better NFL WR than Johnson right now. Johnson is the 2nd best WR on his team in a poor offense.
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:hot: Basically my thoughts when I picked Holmes just ahead of CJ2.
 
FBGPoker said:
RBM said:
FBGPoker said:
Anthony Borbely said:
He looks uncoverable right now.
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He doesn't just look uncoverable, he is. Outside of Randy Moss there isn't a WR who is going to wreck havoc on a defenses secondary like CJ will.
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Ha, you are the same guy that just predicted Chris Johnson would run for over 2000 yards this year. No offense, but how old are you?
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The Chris Johnson thing was a little bit over the top, but the stuff about Calvin is true, the guy is basically flawless as a WR.Speed? CheckSize? CheckRoute Running? CheckDeep ball tracking? CheckPersonality/Work Ethic? CheckHands? Check, although last year he did have some trouble his hands are usually a strength, not a weakness. But i guess someone could argue that his hands aren't all world like the rest of his skillsBottom line is that this is the PERFECT WR. You could go in a lab and not create a WR as perfect.
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Awful OL - checkLousy QB - checkNo established RB - checkTop option at other WR spot - checkNew OC geared toward running the ball - checkI'll take the steady Holmes over the hype of CJ2
 
FBGPoker said:
RBM said:
FBGPoker said:
Anthony Borbely said:
He looks uncoverable right now.
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He doesn't just look uncoverable, he is. Outside of Randy Moss there isn't a WR who is going to wreck havoc on a defenses secondary like CJ will.
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Ha, you are the same guy that just predicted Chris Johnson would run for over 2000 yards this year. No offense, but how old are you?
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The Chris Johnson thing was a little bit over the top, but the stuff about Calvin is true, the guy is basically flawless as a WR.Speed? CheckSize? CheckRoute Running? CheckDeep ball tracking? CheckPersonality/Work Ethic? CheckHands? Check, although last year he did have some trouble his hands are usually a strength, not a weakness. But i guess someone could argue that his hands aren't all world like the rest of his skillsBottom line is that this is the PERFECT WR. You could go in a lab and not create a WR as perfect.
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Maybe you missed Randy Moss last year. 1493/23?or Jerry Rice at 25 years old in a strike shortened 1987 (12 games) putting up 1078/22or Jerry Rice at 33 years old putting up 1848/15Calvin has talent no doubt. But he showed questionable hands last year, and is FAR from the "perfect" WR. Lets see him produce some records before we anoint him....
 
Keys Myaths said:
-jb- said:
I was a Holmes owner last year, and while he was a great asset to the roster, especially as a WR3, he was a bit inconsistent. That may be based on how he was used (downfield threat), or the stage of his development (still improving in short route space awareness). That said, as a WR2 that he is being drafted as, I won't tolerate that inconsistency. He may improve on it this year, which he certainly is capable of, but if you look at the 2007 stat line, he had seven games of 60 yards or less. Another thing to consider is that Hines was hurt during a few of Santonio's big games (week 3 - 128/2, week 17 - 98/1). With Ward back in the mix, I see a little downturn to be considered (eta to add that people are putting Ward out to pasture way too soon).All of this, of course, may very well be offset by Holmes improvement and experience. The question is how much you believe in one or the other. I believe he is still a solid value as a WR2...no question. But there are enough considerations that diminish his upside.I see Calvin as the better selection, but only be a c-hair, and based on the fact that I believe he will be more consistent - since he is a more complete player.
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Except for the inconsistent argument, which I never buy into for WRs (by nature of long receptions and the position, inconsistency happens for nearly everyone at one year or another--it's variance), this is a good post.Remember, Roy Williams has had one good season in the league. Hines Ward is a mainstay. Calvin has much more of a chance to be the guy than Holmes this year, and he's more talented. The Lions will throw the ball, don't worry. Their running game is terrible, and so is their defense, so they'll be behind a lot.Yes, Big Ben is much better than Kitna, but this is the only disadvantage here.
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1310/7 in 06 and 838/5 in 12 games in 07 is only one good season in the league? Williams is in the prime of his career and is at a minimum an above-average NFL wideout. As for Ward, his numbers have been in steady decline since 05 (particularly YPC, which I think is revealing for an aging WR) and is coming off of knee surgery. Moreover, Big Ben is a better QB than Kitna, as you've pointed out.Finally, while I don't deny Calvin's obvious physical gifts, what about his performance last year inspires this confidence? The 52% catch rate, which is Chris Chambers-in-Miami-esque?
 
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