What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Accountability (1 Viewer)

bigmiiiiike

Footballguy
I'm very loyal to footballguys and almost exclusively get my fantasy info through this site. Just for kicks, I went into the 2007 archived articles to see if my loyalty was "worth it." I wanted to see if some of the specific predictions made by the staff were accurate, and if followed by me, would've helped me win my league. I started with Dodds' Perfect Draft - 12 team article, and some of his calls at this time last year make me want to refer to him as The Oracle. Here is a review of his main tenets from that article, with my commentary added:

QBs:

"In the seventh round, grab Young, Romo or Kitna when it's your time to draft."

- One out of three isn't the greatest, but he sure did hit a home run with the one. At the same time, even if you blew your 7th rounder on Young or Kitna, it was only a 7th rounder, and his overall strategy is to build RB/WR depth in rounds 1-6, so you could still survive if you didn't end up with Romo in the 7th.

"If Young, Romo and Kitna are gone by the time you draft in the seventh round, look to grab Ben Roethlisberger, Pit in the eighth round."

- GREAT CALL DD!!!

"I would target these values later in the draft for added depth:

Brett Favre, GB (Value = 94, ADP = 108) with pick 9.05 or later.

Alex Smith, SF (Value = 98, ADP = 117) with pick 9.12 or later.

Rex Grossman, Chi (Value = 101, ADP = 150) with pick 11.06 or later.

Byron Leftwich, Jac (Value = 133, ADP = 165) with pick 13.05 or later "

- Again, one out of four isn't the greatest, but these are late "flier" type picks, so cut him some slack. If you got Favre from his advice here, you were a happy camper.

RBs:

"Simply select a RB in the first round regardless of draft slot."

and

"I count eighteen backs this year that do not appear to be in RBBC situations. They are:

LaDainian Tomlinson, SD

Steven Jackson, StL

Larry Johnson, KC

Frank Gore, SF

Willie Parker, Pit

Brian Westbrook, Phi

Travis Henry, Den

Joseph Addai, Ind (Team ran RBBC last season and has hinted that they still want to do it, but no one has emerged)

Rudi Johnson, Cin

Laurence Maroney, NE (Team ran RBBC last season, but Corey Dillon retired)

Shaun Alexander, Sea

Ronnie Brown, Mia

Willis McGahee, Bal

Cedric Benson, Chi

Edgerrin James, Ari

Cadillac Williams, TB

Jamal Lewis, Cle

Ahman Green, Hou

A few more backs are in unclear situations:

Clinton Portis, Was (Emergence of Betts and Portis injuries may create a RBBC)

Brandon Jacobs, NYG (Untested as a feature back) "

- As always, there are some busts in this list, but I think there were more happy GMs than not that selected RBs from this list in the early rounds.

"This is NOT the year to open RB-RB-RB."

and

"Additionally I would keep my eye on these RBs throughout the draft. They all should represent great value against their ADP:

Fred Taylor (value = 56, ADP = 71) with pick 6.04 or later.

Tatum Bell (value = 59, ADP = 73) with pick 6.05 or later

DeShaun Foster (value = 55, ADP = 102) with pick 6.08 or later

LenDale White (value = 70, ADP = 104) with pick 7.10 or later

Leon Washington (value = 80, ADP = 144) with pick 9.01 or later

Brian Leonard (value = 148, ADP = 198) with pick 14.01 or later "

- DD recognizing the trend of RBBC, so the strategy of get non-RBBC guys if you can early, and then there are plenty of RBBC value guys later is spot on. The Fred Taylor and Lendale White calls were impressive. Brian Leonard was also a good call given the SJax injury, especially in the 14th round.

WRs:

"Grab 3 receivers in rounds 2 through 6 and then wait for exceptional value to emerge at WR because it always does."

Guys he targets fairly early are (I'll paraphrase because this is a long section):

- Housh at 3.01 or later

- Javon Walker at 3.04 or later

- Driver at 4.02 or later

- Plax at 4.08 or later

- Santana Moss at 5.03 or later

- Calvin Johnson at 5.05 or later

- Braylon at 5.09 or later

- Deion Branch at 5.10 or later

- Cotchery at 7.05 or later

- Santonio at 8.02 or later

- This is an EXHAUSTIVE list of all recommended WRs by DD through round 8. He NAILED the Housh, Plax, Braylon, and Santonio picks. The Cotchery pick was solid. The Walker, Driver, Moss, CJ, and Branch picks fizzled out. Overall, this is an pretty incredible success rate for WRs that were far from clearcut studs heading into last season.

- DD also called Roddy White at 16.01 or later

TEs:

"So ultimately, once you get past the big TEs, you're really debating over a point or two per week (which is why it is wise to just wait until the later rounds to select a TE).

The tight end that I will be targeting in most of my drafts this year is Jason Witten (Value = 106, ADP = 105) with pick 10.01 or later. He isn't overpriced, but has been steadily increasing his ADP all summer. It's not a sexy pick, but I expect he will be solid all year long. He only scored 1 TD last season, but managed 6 in each of the previous two years. This lack of TD production translated into his fantasy value sliding to 12th overall (from 6th in 2005 and 3rd in 2004). But the fact that his targets increased from 2005 to 2006 (from 89 to 93) indicates the TD decline could have been a fluke. He is being drafted as TE9 which to me represents his floor. He could easily yield top 5 production for a fraction of what a Todd Heap costs."

- HE CALLED WITTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Here are the other TEs that I believe will have exceptional value in the draft:

Ben Watson, NE (value = 109, ADP = 111) with pick 10.05 or later. He is getting absolutely no love since the Patriots acquired Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth and Wes Welker in the offseason. Last year, I saw many instances where Watson was being double-covered. I even remember some games where he had a spy watching him (I laughed pretty hard at that). Teams feared his run after the catch abilities and absolutely feared none of the New England receivers. I expect the additions of deep-threats Moss and Stallworth will actually open up the Watson routes. So before leaving him for dead, understand that Watson has a great opportunity to have his best year yet. Against single coverage, he could rise to the elite status many of us thought he would achiev in 2006.

Bo Scaife, Ten (value = 189, ADP = 253) with pick 18.01 or later. He is running with the first team and Tennessee has bad WRs. He could be among the league leaders at the position and comes at a bargain basement price. "

- Scaife was a zero, but we're talking about pick 18.01, the Watson call was SPOT ON.

DD deserves a pat on the back. Everyone is always willing to dish out praise for in depth research in the preseason, but rarely does anyone go back and see if that research payed off. This investigation has reaffirmed my faith in fantasy football this site and fantasy football research in general. This proves to me that you really can create a pretty nice edge for yourself by doing your homework.

 
big mike,if you look back at the article and pretend you're holding Dodds feet to the fire, how'd he do?Maybe it's just how you presented it or it's simply too early for me- 18 RBs not in RBBC and also look for 7 more, that's 25.Which did he say to grab? I disagree on the praise for the WRs-as you presented it(again probably too big a list)

He NAILED the Housh, Plax, Braylon, and Santonio picks. The Cotchery pick was solid. The Walker, Driver, Moss, CJ, and Branch picks fizzled out. Overall, this is an pretty incredible success rate for WRs that were far from clearcut studs heading into last season.
some were studs heading in and 5 right 5 "off" is incredible success rate?TEs-far fewer, understand praise for Witten...it makes sense for me when it's fewer.I like Dodds work too, can you narrow this down some?
 
Bri,

He didn't say exactly who to grab at RB like he did at QB. He lays out his top 11 in order: 1. Tomlinson, 2. Jackson, 3. Johnson, 4. Gore, 5. Parker, 6. Westbrook, 7. Henry, 8. Addai, 9. Johnson, 10. Maroney, 11. Alexander. Then he says "In the second round and beyond, I would draft any of the elite eleven listed above without hesitation. But I wouldn't expect these picks to last too long into the second round. No reason to panic though as this RBBC situation has extended the pool of decent RBs that can be taken later. And that's exactly how I would approach things. If the value isn't there, I would select a WR and let the draft come to me." I'd say that LJ, Gore, Parker, Henry, Rudi, Maroney, and Alexander were all busts. So yes, his "elite 11," which you would expect a high success rate, produced only 4 non-busts, and if you wound up with two of the 7 busts with your first two picks, there was a good chance that you couldn't recover. HOWEVER, I don't think DD was special in his rankings of these RBs. I bet every list out there was similar, and DD actually was making the point that the elite RBs are limited, and you shouldn't reach at RB if one isn't there in the 2nd/3rd rounds.

Here is the whole list of guys he says to grab outside of the top 11:

Ronnie Brown, Mia (value = 15, ADP = 19) with pick 2.05 or later

Reggie Bush, NO (value = 16, ADP = 10) with pick 2.05 or later

Maurice Jones-Drew, Jac (value = 21, ADP = 18) with pick 2.09 or later

Clinton Portis, Was (value = 23, ADP = 20) with pick 2.11 or later

Willis McGahee, Bal (value = 26, ADP = 16) with pick 3.02 or later

Cedric Benson, Chi (value = 27, ADP = 26) with pick 3.03 or later

Edgerrin James, Ari (value = 29, ADP = 23) with pick 3.05 or later

Brandon Jacobs, NYG (value = 31, ADP = 40) with pick 3.11 or later

Cadillac Williams, TB (value = 34, ADP = 42) with pick 4.02 or later

Adrian Peterson, Min (value = 37, ADP = 48) with pick 4.04 or later

Thomas Jones, NYJ (value = 40, ADP = 27) with pick 4.04 or later

Deuce McAllister, NO (value = 43, ADP = 39) with pick 4.07 or later

Ahman Green, Hou (value = 46, ADP = 49) with pick 4.11 or later

Jamal Lewis, Cle (value = 47, ADP = 55) with pick 5.03 or later

Jerious Norwood, Atl (value = 49, ADP = 54) with pick 5.04 or later

Of these 15, I'd say Portis, McGahee, Jacobs, AP, and JLew were great calls for where DD says to take them, and Ronnie Brown was a stud until he went down after 7 weeks. I'd say that MJD, Edge, TJ, and Bush were average for where DD says to take them. I'd say Benson, Caddy, Deuce, Ahman, and Norwood either underperformed or were complete busts. 5 or 6 home runs, 4 average calls, and 5 busts doesn't seem like anything to get TOO excited about, but I doubt you could find another writer with a better success rate.

I disagree that DD didn't nail his WR section. The list I put in my previous post was exhaustive. He didn't throw out 40 names where of course he's bound to hit a home run on a few. Only Housh, who he says to take at 3.01, was a quasi-certifiable "stud" headiing into last year's draft. Plax was a recommended pick at 4.08, so his season is about what you'd expect from Boldin/Holmes this year, so it's not that unexpected, true. However, he also targeted Braylon, Cotchery, and Santonio all fairly late. Other guys who were going in the mid rounds last year were guys like Reggie Brown, Hines Ward, Santana Moss, Coles, Mark Clayton and Chambers, so there was plenty of room for failure.

 
I have a feeling there will be some differences between what he put out in the FBG mag and the last edition that typically posts the week before opening season.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
I disagree that DD didn't nail his WR section. The list I put in my previous post was exhaustive. He didn't throw out 40 names where of course he's bound to hit a home run on a few. Only Housh, who he says to take at 3.01, was a quasi-certifiable "stud" headiing into last year's draft. Plax was a recommended pick at 4.08, so his season is about what you'd expect from Boldin/Holmes this year, so it's not that unexpected, true. However, he also targeted Braylon, Cotchery, and Santonio all fairly late. Other guys who were going in the mid rounds last year were guys like Reggie Brown, Hines Ward, Santana Moss, Coles, Mark Clayton and Chambers, so there was plenty of room for failure.
the previous list was 5 for 5 againstColes, Chambers, and Ward were amidst failures?I think we just disagree in general, not sure it has anything to do with DD.no worries, it's nice to hear a differing opinion
 
I agree this was GREAT work by Dodds. Problem is, defining what "great" means is a monumental task. What is it? A 55% hit rate? 40%? 70%?

 
Most of this stuff was conventional wisdom, not "oracle" worthy. To wit:

"If Young, Romo and Kitna are gone by the time you draft in the seventh round, look to grab Ben Roethlisberger, Pit in the eighth round."- GREAT CALL DD!!!
I don't see why anyone would praise Dodds for this. The conventional wisdom was obviously not to select Young, Romo, Kitna or Roethlisberger in the top 3-4 rounds. Also, the conventional wisdom was not to select them in the 14th round (because they would be gone). He's saying to take them at about where they were being drafted. Big deal. Now, had he said "Ben Roethilisberger is your primary QB target in the draft because he's a great sleeper for 08", that would be an oracle-like statement. Or had he said "take Tom Brady, even if its a little early, because with Moss he will explode for a career year and carry you to a title." that would be an oracle-like statement. But he's just saying to pick a few guys by their ADP, and its hit-n-miss. We praise this? Really?
"I would target these values later in the draft for added depth:Brett Favre, GB (Value = 94, ADP = 108) with pick 9.05 or later. Alex Smith, SF (Value = 98, ADP = 117) with pick 9.12 or later. Rex Grossman, Chi (Value = 101, ADP = 150) with pick 11.06 or later. Byron Leftwich, Jac (Value = 133, ADP = 165) with pick 13.05 or later "- Again, one out of four isn't the greatest, but these are late "flier" type picks, so cut him some slack. If you got Favre from his advice here, you were a happy camper.
But again, he's just telling you to pick guys where everyone had them slotted.
"Additionally I would keep my eye on these RBs throughout the draft. They all should represent great value against their ADP:Fred Taylor (value = 56, ADP = 71) with pick 6.04 or later. Tatum Bell (value = 59, ADP = 73) with pick 6.05 or later DeShaun Foster (value = 55, ADP = 102) with pick 6.08 or later LenDale White (value = 70, ADP = 104) with pick 7.10 or later Leon Washington (value = 80, ADP = 144) with pick 9.01 or later Brian Leonard (value = 148, ADP = 198) with pick 14.01 or later "- DD recognizing the trend of RBBC, so the strategy of get non-RBBC guys if you can early, and then there are plenty of RBBC value guys later is spot on. The Fred Taylor and Lendale White calls were impressive. Brian Leonard was also a good call given the SJax injury, especially in the 14th round.
The idea of selecting non-RBBC guys ahead of RBBC guys is a fine one. But Dodds didn't think of it first. In fact, everyone does this every year.
TEs:"So ultimately, once you get past the big TEs, you're really debating over a point or two per week (which is why it is wise to just wait until the later rounds to select a TE).The tight end that I will be targeting in most of my drafts this year is Jason Witten (Value = 106, ADP = 105) with pick 10.01 or later. He isn't overpriced, but has been steadily increasing his ADP all summer. It's not a sexy pick, but I expect he will be solid all year long. He only scored 1 TD last season, but managed 6 in each of the previous two years. This lack of TD production translated into his fantasy value sliding to 12th overall (from 6th in 2005 and 3rd in 2004). But the fact that his targets increased from 2005 to 2006 (from 89 to 93) indicates the TD decline could have been a fluke. He is being drafted as TE9 which to me represents his floor. He could easily yield top 5 production for a fraction of what a Todd Heap costs."- HE CALLED WITTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A lot of people liked Witten last year prior to the season. That's why his ADP was rising...
"Here are the other TEs that I believe will have exceptional value in the draft:Ben Watson, NE (value = 109, ADP = 111) with pick 10.05 or later. He is getting absolutely no love since the Patriots acquired Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth and Wes Welker in the offseason. Last year, I saw many instances where Watson was being double-covered. I even remember some games where he had a spy watching him (I laughed pretty hard at that). Teams feared his run after the catch abilities and absolutely feared none of the New England receivers. I expect the additions of deep-threats Moss and Stallworth will actually open up the Watson routes. So before leaving him for dead, understand that Watson has a great opportunity to have his best year yet. Against single coverage, he could rise to the elite status many of us thought he would achiev in 2006.Bo Scaife, Ten (value = 189, ADP = 253) with pick 18.01 or later. He is running with the first team and Tennessee has bad WRs. He could be among the league leaders at the position and comes at a bargain basement price. "- Scaife was a zero, but we're talking about pick 18.01, the Watson call was SPOT ON.
Watson was ok. Its probably his best call out of the group, because he actually went against conventional wisdom and found someone who produced to some degree. altho 389/6 isn't anywhere close to "elite".When I think of an "oracle" it should be someone who defies conventional wisdom and names people who aren't much thought of. Instead, this perfect draft article just regurgitates the conventional wisdom of the day on a few players.
 
Most of this stuff was conventional wisdom, not "oracle" worthy. To wit:

"If Young, Romo and Kitna are gone by the time you draft in the seventh round, look to grab Ben Roethlisberger, Pit in the eighth round."- GREAT CALL DD!!!
I don't see why anyone would praise Dodds for this. The conventional wisdom was obviously not to select Young, Romo, Kitna or Roethlisberger in the top 3-4 rounds. Also, the conventional wisdom was not to select them in the 14th round (because they would be gone). He's saying to take them at about where they were being drafted. Big deal.
Wow, you have completely missed the point of the Perfect Draft article....
 
"In the seventh round, grab Young, Romo or Kitna when it's your time to draft."- One out of three isn't the greatest, but he sure did hit a home run with the one. At the same time, even if you blew your 7th rounder on Young or Kitna, it was only a 7th rounder, and his overall strategy is to build RB/WR depth in rounds 1-6, so you could still survive if you didn't end up with Romo in the 7th."If Young, Romo and Kitna are gone by the time you draft in the seventh round, look to grab Ben Roethlisberger, Pit in the eighth round."- GREAT CALL DD!!!
Really? Great call? No, not really... this was conventional thinking last season. If he was really going to make a call, he may have targeted Romo and Roeth and said, grab them in round 6, before the 2nd QB run starts in round 7, or something of that sort.
"I count eighteen backs this year that do not appear to be in RBBC situations. They are:LaDainian Tomlinson, SD Steven Jackson, StL Larry Johnson, KC Frank Gore, SF Willie Parker, Pit Brian Westbrook, Phi Travis Henry, Den Joseph Addai, Ind (Team ran RBBC last season and has hinted that they still want to do it, but no one has emerged) Rudi Johnson, Cin Laurence Maroney, NE (Team ran RBBC last season, but Corey Dillon retired) Shaun Alexander, Sea Ronnie Brown, Mia Willis McGahee, Bal Cedric Benson, Chi Edgerrin James, Ari Cadillac Williams, TB Jamal Lewis, Cle Ahman Green, Hou
Some of these were just horrible calls... Maroney was still RBBC, so was DEN, Benson just sucked, so did Caddy and we knew he had issues going into the season, Ahman Green - I had him on my DND list last year.
Clinton Portis, Was (Emergence of Betts and Portis injuries may create a RBBC) Brandon Jacobs, NYG (Untested as a feature back) "
Off on both these guys.
The Fred Taylor and Lendale White calls were impressive.
Disagree - especially with all the hype that MJD gets on these boards, Taylor's ADP was way way way too low in the first place. Lendale didn't have much competition.I didn't even go further than this... I like Dodds, but most of the stuff you are praising him for was common sense last year, and he had some significant misses. :(Honestly, projections aren't why I cone to this place anyway...
 
Dodd's misses on a lot of articles/predictions..He is one of the weaker FBG's prognosticators..

Witten was on EVERYONE's hit-list last season..Romo in the 4th? oooh..wow..jeez, I didn't even read his article, yet I wound up with Romo in the 4th round..

I guess, just like with Nostradamus, if you keep making thousands of predictions, something is going to come true, eventually..

:rant:

and the guy who started this thread keeps saying 'one in three isn't bad..one in four isn't bad...'

um,last I checked, it's a measely 2 out of 7 predictions that have worked out.. :rolleyes:

 
It is what it is.

I could tell you that I followed the VBD system and the 10-team perfect draft article from last year and had the worst draft of my life and you might believe me or you might not.

I could tell you that after the draft was over with my scoring system and FBG's predictions loaded into DD my team strength overall and starters were the tops after the draft and I still came in last place.

Stuff happens. I just picked the wrong guys. You can recover from a couple of busts in the first 6 rounds or so. You can't recover with (4), especially when you either can't trade them away or keep waiting expecting a turn around at some point.

I just picked the wrong guys. Wasn't the articles fault, or the information on the sites fault.

 
It is what it is.

I could tell you that I followed the VBD system and the 10-team perfect draft article from last year and had the worst draft of my life and you might believe me or you might not.

I could tell you that after the draft was over with my scoring system and FBG's predictions loaded into DD my team strength overall and starters were the tops after the draft and I still came in last place.

Stuff happens. I just picked the wrong guys. You can recover from a couple of busts in the first 6 rounds or so. You can't recover with (4), especially when you either can't trade them away or keep waiting expecting a turn around at some point.

I just picked the wrong guys. Wasn't the articles fault, or the information on the sites fault.
But you picked them because of flawed projections. Sure you picked them, but it was based on advice from FBGs. If you want to shoulder all the blame yourself, well that's fair, since you decided to use their work instead of doing your own.
 
Dodd's misses on a lot of articles/predictions..He is one of the weaker FBG's prognosticators..Witten was on EVERYONE's hit-list last season..Romo in the 4th? oooh..wow..jeez, I didn't even read his article, yet I wound up with Romo in the 4th round..I guess, just like with Nostradamus, if you keep making thousands of predictions, something is going to come true, eventually.. :excited: and the guy who started this thread keeps saying 'one in three isn't bad..one in four isn't bad...'um,last I checked, it's a measely 2 out of 7 predictions that have worked out.. :yes:
In your opinion, who's better (on FBG or otherwise)? Do you post predictions anywhere? It sounds like your list must have been pretty solid - who are the guys on your (or EVERYONE's) list this year? I got Romo last year at 9.05 (QB10) in a competitive 10 team league. I got Ben at 11.05 (QB12) and Witten at 13.05 (TE13). Clearly these guys weren't on EVERYONE's hit-list. But they were on DD's. And mine.
 
Dodd's misses on a lot of articles/predictions..He is one of the weaker FBG's prognosticators..Witten was on EVERYONE's hit-list last season..Romo in the 4th? oooh..wow..jeez, I didn't even read his article, yet I wound up with Romo in the 4th round..I guess, just like with Nostradamus, if you keep making thousands of predictions, something is going to come true, eventually.. :mellow: and the guy who started this thread keeps saying 'one in three isn't bad..one in four isn't bad...'um,last I checked, it's a measely 2 out of 7 predictions that have worked out.. :bow:
Dodds didn't suggest drafting Romo in the 4th.Is there a particular reason you drafted Romo that high?
 
It is what it is.

I could tell you that I followed the VBD system and the 10-team perfect draft article from last year and had the worst draft of my life and you might believe me or you might not.

I could tell you that after the draft was over with my scoring system and FBG's predictions loaded into DD my team strength overall and starters were the tops after the draft and I still came in last place.

Stuff happens. I just picked the wrong guys. You can recover from a couple of busts in the first 6 rounds or so. You can't recover with (4), especially when you either can't trade them away or keep waiting expecting a turn around at some point.

I just picked the wrong guys. Wasn't the articles fault, or the information on the sites fault.
But you picked them because of flawed projections. Sure you picked them, but it was based on advice from FBGs. If you want to shoulder all the blame yourself, well that's fair, since you decided to use their work instead of doing your own.
It would be unfair to say it was their projections. Although I don't do my own I do figure out who to avoid and who not to avoid in the draft. I also figure out who I hope I don't have to make a decision on. As I remember it the draft went so well I did not have any hard decisions. I got exactly who I planned for, and exactly who FBG's told me would be available at my picks. I didn't reach, and I thought I was getting value each time.It still ended up a disaster.

At this point you want to know who I picked I suppose. (it's about a 50/50 league, no PPR).

1. Willie Parker

2. Travis Henry

3. Terrell Owens

4. Roy Williams

5. Brandon Jacobs

6. Cadillac Williams

7. Vernon Davis

8. Jon Kitna

9. Big Ben

10. Santonio Holmes

11. Isaac Bruce

12. Matt Stover

13. Mark Clayton

14. Pittsburgh

I went 4-10. I spend a gob on free agents trying to patch the holes as they occurred. I was able to make one trade, Big Ben for Kellen Winslow Jr. (traded the wrong QB). That was about week 3 or 4.

That on paper and on draft night was a very nice draft. By the time the season got rolling it was a disaster.

 
I read this article the day of one of my larger dollar fantasy leagues. It reinforced a lot of what I was already thinking, in that I targeted Witten in all of my drafts and ended up with Romo and Ben in just about all my leagues.

The other player I got not from this article was Brandon Marshall, who Bloom was really high on. I think it was round 13 or so a couple times and he obviously paid huge dividends.

I too like to look back on these types of things and thought he did well last year.

 
Dodd's misses on a lot of articles/predictions..He is one of the weaker FBG's prognosticators..Witten was on EVERYONE's hit-list last season..Romo in the 4th? oooh..wow..jeez, I didn't even read his article, yet I wound up with Romo in the 4th round..I guess, just like with Nostradamus, if you keep making thousands of predictions, something is going to come true, eventually.. :shrug: and the guy who started this thread keeps saying 'one in three isn't bad..one in four isn't bad...'um,last I checked, it's a measely 2 out of 7 predictions that have worked out.. :lmao:
In your opinion, who's better (on FBG or otherwise)? Do you post predictions anywhere? It sounds like your list must have been pretty solid - who are the guys on your (or EVERYONE's) list this year? I got Romo last year at 9.05 (QB10) in a competitive 10 team league. I got Ben at 11.05 (QB12) and Witten at 13.05 (TE13). Clearly these guys weren't on EVERYONE's hit-list. But they were on DD's. And mine.
Exactly. Not everyone singled out J. Witten as a value; I remember most having him as more like TE #8 wiht a hodge podge of other preospects, certainly not close to #4 or 5 TE. QB Roethlisberger was very low in demand after a miserable 2006, hell, I drafted him **after** Matt Leinart in my 12 team redraft league in '07
 
I don't know, I always find the perfect draft article interesting, but it's always a bit too vague and casts such a wide net that you can't really scrutinize one way or the other after the fact.

Now, if you write an article this year that says something like:

-This is the year to grab a Romo or Brees early in the late-2nd early 3rd

-Steal Marvin Harrison in the 5th as your WR2

-Willie Parker will produce top tier RB2 numbers and can be had in the 4th

And then Romo ends up QB1, Harrison WR4 and Parker RB10, now I'll call you an Oracle. Those kinds of specific insights of a defined set of "value" players to target and when to take them would impress me more.

Obviously, however, Dodds drafts this article (pun intended) with the intent of it being a ecumenical guide that can be applied across most leagues regardless of size & scoring system.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Dodd's misses on a lot of articles/predictions..He is one of the weaker FBG's prognosticators..

Witten was on EVERYONE's hit-list last season..Romo in the 4th? oooh..wow..jeez, I didn't even read his article, yet I wound up with Romo in the 4th round..

I guess, just like with Nostradamus, if you keep making thousands of predictions, something is going to come true, eventually..

:confused:

and the guy who started this thread keeps saying 'one in three isn't bad..one in four isn't bad...'

um,last I checked, it's a measely 2 out of 7 predictions that have worked out.. :thumbup:
:wall: He's only "Mr. Football", guy.

 
I don't know, I always find the perfect draft article interesting, but it's always a bit too vague and casts such a wide net that you can't really scrutinize one way or the other after the fact.

Now, if you write an article this year that says something like:

-This is the year to grab a Romo or Brees early in the late-2nd early 3rd

-Steal Marvin Harrison in the 5th as your WR2

-Willie Parker will produce top tier RB2 numbers and can be had in the 4th

And then Romo ends up QB1, Harrison WR4 and Parker RB10, now I'll call you an Oracle. Those kinds of specific insights of a defined set of "value" players to target and when to take them would impress me more.

Obviously, however, Dodds drafts this article (pun intended) with the intent of it being a ecumenical guide that can be applied across most leagues regardless of size & scoring system.
how can someone use this wordin a ffl thread yet not put AN instead of A in front of it. Love me some footyball!!
 
I'm very loyal to footballguys and almost exclusively get my fantasy info through this site. Just for kicks, I went into the 2007 archived articles to see if my loyalty was "worth it." I wanted to see if some of the specific predictions made by the staff were accurate, and if followed by me, would've helped me win my league. I started with Dodds' Perfect Draft - 12 team article, and some of his calls at this time last year make me want to refer to him as The Oracle. Here is a review of his main tenets from that article, with my commentary added:

QBs:

"In the seventh round, grab Young, Romo or Kitna when it's your time to draft."

- One out of three isn't the greatest, but he sure did hit a home run with the one. At the same time, even if you blew your 7th rounder on Young or Kitna, it was only a 7th rounder, and his overall strategy is to build RB/WR depth in rounds 1-6, so you could still survive if you didn't end up with Romo in the 7th.

The following picks are from one of my drafts. Young was picked 6.11; Romo - 6.07; Kitna - 6.01

"If Young, Romo and Kitna are gone by the time you draft in the seventh round, look to grab Ben Roethlisberger, Pit in the eighth round."

- GREAT CALL DD!!! Roethlsberger - 7.08

"I would target these values later in the draft for added depth:

Brett Favre, GB (Value = 94, ADP = 108) with pick 9.05 or later. Picked 9.04

Alex Smith, SF (Value = 98, ADP = 117) with pick 9.12 or later. Picked 10.12

Rex Grossman, Chi (Value = 101, ADP = 150) with pick 11.06 or later. Picked 11.08

Byron Leftwich, Jac (Value = 133, ADP = 165) with pick 13.05 or later " Not drafted

- Again, one out of four isn't the greatest, but these are late "flier" type picks, so cut him some slack. If you got Favre from his advice here, you were a happy camper.

As a result, if you followed the guidance in my league, you ended up with Alex Smith, Rex Grossman and Leftwich. Obviously a total miss if you followed the guidance.

RBs:

"Simply select a RB in the first round regardless of draft slot."

and

"I count eighteen backs this year that do not appear to be in RBBC situations. They are:

LaDainian Tomlinson, SD

Steven Jackson, StL

Larry Johnson, KC

Frank Gore, SF

Willie Parker, Pit

Brian Westbrook, Phi

Travis Henry, Den

Joseph Addai, Ind (Team ran RBBC last season and has hinted that they still want to do it, but no one has emerged)

Rudi Johnson, Cin

Laurence Maroney, NE (Team ran RBBC last season, but Corey Dillon retired)

Shaun Alexander, Sea

Ronnie Brown, Mia

Willis McGahee, Bal

Cedric Benson, Chi

Edgerrin James, Ari

Cadillac Williams, TB

Jamal Lewis, Cle

Ahman Green, Hou

A few more backs are in unclear situations:

Clinton Portis, Was (Emergence of Betts and Portis injuries may create a RBBC)

Brandon Jacobs, NYG (Untested as a feature back) "

- As always, there are some busts in this list, but I think there were more happy GMs than not that selected RBs from this list in the early rounds.

This list does not look so good to me as the number of misses on the list is rather high. If you drafted 2 names on the list, your chance of busting was rather high. Most people would have been better off taking WRs than a second back off of the list in rounds 2 and 3.

"This is NOT the year to open RB-RB-RB."

and

"Additionally I would keep my eye on these RBs throughout the draft. They all should represent great value against their ADP:

Fred Taylor (value = 56, ADP = 71) with pick 6.04 or later. Picked 9.01

Tatum Bell (value = 59, ADP = 73) with pick 6.05 or later Picked 6.05

DeShaun Foster (value = 55, ADP = 102) with pick 6.08 or later Picked 8.08

LenDale White (value = 70, ADP = 104) with pick 7.10 or later Picked 8.11

Leon Washington (value = 80, ADP = 144) with pick 9.01 or later Picked 11.02

Brian Leonard (value = 148, ADP = 198) with pick 14.01 or later " Picked 15.07

- DD recognizing the trend of RBBC, so the strategy of get non-RBBC guys if you can early, and then there are plenty of RBBC value guys later is spot on. The Fred Taylor and Lendale White calls were impressive. Brian Leonard was also a good call given the SJax injury, especially in the 14th round.

Taylor and White were good picks. However, the rest were duds and if combined with a dud in the top 18, you could only hope you did well on the waiver wire.

WRs:

"Grab 3 receivers in rounds 2 through 6 and then wait for exceptional value to emerge at WR because it always does."

Guys he targets fairly early are (I'll paraphrase because this is a long section):

- Housh at 3.01 or later Picked 3.02

- Javon Walker at 3.04 or later Picked 3.06

- Driver at 4.02 or later Picked 3.08

- Plax at 4.08 or later Picked 3.11

- Santana Moss at 5.03 or later Picked 5.06

- Calvin Johnson at 5.05 or later Picked 4.11

- Braylon at 5.09 or later Picked 5.01

- Deion Branch at 5.10 or later Picked 5.07

- Cotchery at 7.05 or later Picked 5.08

- Santonio at 8.02 or later Picked 6.12

- This is an EXHAUSTIVE list of all recommended WRs by DD through round 8. He NAILED the Housh, Plax, Braylon, and Santonio picks. The Cotchery pick was solid. The Walker, Driver, Moss, CJ, and Branch picks fizzled out. Overall, this is an pretty incredible success rate for WRs that were far from clearcut studs heading into last season.

- DD also called Roddy White at 16.01 or later

Therefore, the only WRs available at the spot recommended were Housh, Javon Walker, Santana Moss. Since this is a No TE league, one would have also ended up with Branch if TEs had been drafted as TEs. When we are talking two 3rd rounders and two 5th rounders, 1 out of 4 is not good.

TEs:

"So ultimately, once you get past the big TEs, you're really debating over a point or two per week (which is why it is wise to just wait until the later rounds to select a TE).

The tight end that I will be targeting in most of my drafts this year is Jason Witten (Value = 106, ADP = 105) with pick 10.01 or later. He isn't overpriced, but has been steadily increasing his ADP all summer. It's not a sexy pick, but I expect he will be solid all year long. He only scored 1 TD last season, but managed 6 in each of the previous two years. This lack of TD production translated into his fantasy value sliding to 12th overall (from 6th in 2005 and 3rd in 2004). But the fact that his targets increased from 2005 to 2006 (from 89 to 93) indicates the TD decline could have been a fluke. He is being drafted as TE9 which to me represents his floor. He could easily yield top 5 production for a fraction of what a Todd Heap costs."

- HE CALLED WITTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Here are the other TEs that I believe will have exceptional value in the draft:

Ben Watson, NE (value = 109, ADP = 111) with pick 10.05 or later. He is getting absolutely no love since the Patriots acquired Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth and Wes Welker in the offseason. Last year, I saw many instances where Watson was being double-covered. I even remember some games where he had a spy watching him (I laughed pretty hard at that). Teams feared his run after the catch abilities and absolutely feared none of the New England receivers. I expect the additions of deep-threats Moss and Stallworth will actually open up the Watson routes. So before leaving him for dead, understand that Watson has a great opportunity to have his best year yet. Against single coverage, he could rise to the elite status many of us thought he would achiev in 2006.

Bo Scaife, Ten (value = 189, ADP = 253) with pick 18.01 or later. He is running with the first team and Tennessee has bad WRs. He could be among the league leaders at the position and comes at a bargain basement price. "

- Scaife was a zero, but we're talking about pick 18.01, the Watson call was SPOT ON.

In my league that uses TEs, both Witten and Watson were long gone at this point. Therefore, this was no help

DD deserves a pat on the back. Everyone is always willing to dish out praise for in depth research in the preseason, but rarely does anyone go back and see if that research payed off. This investigation has reaffirmed my faith in fantasy football this site and fantasy football research in general. This proves to me that you really can create a pretty nice edge for yourself by doing your homework.
The end result is that I generally enjoy reading this article each year as it gives me a different viewpoint from how I typically draft. However, I do not find it helpful as most of the decent players are picked way before the recommended spot and the ones that aren't, you do not want.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top