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I can certainly see why "they" call you "The Nostradamus of FF."
thanks Chachi
Yes, it's a valid question. As far as I know, what happens in season could be something that the commish takes another look at.J
I wouldn't go that far. But I can't see how Goodell decided on the punishment without taking into account that he could be found guilty. And if he did do this without telling everyone that the punishment could be increased the union should shut the league down.
Huh?Somehow I thought one was considered innocent until proven guilty.Solid question, as this is indeed a situation reguarding draft status.
As well as continuations prior to court date.(There is still hope)
You guys haven't really been paying attention have you? Goodell has made it very clear with other players' suspensions that convictions don't matter.
Not in the NFL. I think of it this way: If Goodell doesn't have to wait for a conviction to throw down a suspension, then why should the verdict affect his decision? Of course, the suspensions don't seem to have any consistency anyway (see: M. Lynch) so anything's possible.
You're right because Chris Henry was a household name...
And even when he has considered them in that past, they were recognized as part of his initial penalty. As an example, Goodell initially suspended Pacman for ten games but stated that the suspension could be extended depending on the outcome of the legal proceedings in Las Vegas. When Pacman cut a deal, Goodell extended the suspension through the end of the season.I did not see any similar statement by Goodell with respect to Marshall and the DUI.Verbal Kint said:
I believe DUI is personal conduct (hence Lance Briggs "leaving" his 3 day old lamborghini after crashing it at 4:00 am last year - instead of hanging around, waiting to be nailed for DUI - which would elad to a possible suspension - which also leads me to believe that Marshall's could be longer as well.)FFdork said:
Wouldn't this be leaving the scene of an accident, though, too?
doubtful. most state statutes only require you to give your information to the person or persons who were also involved in the accident before leaving the scene. in a one-car accident, there really isn't a reason for you to stick around unless you damaged someone's private property.
flooredyas said:
Ding Ding - Commissioner Goodell couldn't punish him for the DUI before the fact - he might be found innocent or (like Marshawn Lynch) get the charge pled down to a minor traffic infraction somehow or another.On the other hand, if he is convicted of DUI then the Commissioner is compelled to revisit the need for further suspension, IMO.My .02.
I believe that you are correct, that the DUI is a substance abuse issue and seperate from personal conduct policy, although the fact of sobriety or drunken-ness (intoxication of some king) could be a mitigating or aggravating factor in a personal conduct issue, I would think.There is a gray area...FFdork said:
Your conclusions are very interesting given the article you posted. It clearly addresses what a poster asked previously, the DUI "could not have factored into the commissioner's ruling because it didn't fall under the personal conduct policy that would allow for suspension." Therefore, it must fall under the substance abuse policy. And any future action against Marshall must follow the substance abuse guidelines not Goodell's discretionary powers.flooredyas said:Ding Ding - Commissioner Goodell couldn't punish him for the DUI before the fact - he might be found innocent or (like Marshawn Lynch) get the charge pled down to a minor traffic infraction somehow or another.On the other hand, if he is convicted of DUI then the Commissioner is compelled to revisit the need for further suspension, IMO.
According to an AP article published at the time, the DUI is a seperate issue - Marshall was suspended this time in connection with
My .02.
As I noted in my second post, there appears to be a gray area. Part of the reason that the possible ramifications of Marshall's pending DUI outcome are an unknown is that the NFL doesn't comment on the details of drug-related suspensions as a rule (and a player's status in the drug/substance abuse program isn't public knowledge until a suspension is mandated - see Jimmy Smith for an example of how that can shake out). The most recent case I recall where a DUI led to a suspension after an arrest was when Antonio Bryant was suspended for 4 games at the end of 2006.Also, in a case with multiple drug violations involved, Buccaneer Jerramy Stevens was suspended 1 game at the end of 2007 and then the commissioner tacked on a 2 game suspension (and an additional game check fine) in June of this year to be served at the beginning of the 2008 season.Your conclusions are very interesting given the article you posted. It clearly addresses what a poster asked previously, the DUI "could not have factored into the commissioner's ruling because it didn't fall under the personal conduct policy that would allow for suspension." Therefore, it must fall under the substance abuse policy. And any future action against Marshall must follow the substance abuse guidelines not Goodell's discretionary powers.flooredyas said:Ding Ding - Commissioner Goodell couldn't punish him for the DUI before the fact - he might be found innocent or (like Marshawn Lynch) get the charge pled down to a minor traffic infraction somehow or another.On the other hand, if he is convicted of DUI then the Commissioner is compelled to revisit the need for further suspension, IMO.
According to an AP article published at the time, the DUI is a seperate issue - Marshall was suspended this time in connection with
My .02.
or at least until week 14-15... I mean these guys do hire lawyers...And what's up with the played Union. Donald fehr would never stand for this.
Good summary. Is anyone aware of previous substance use-related incidents for Marshall? Wikipedia only lists the one incident (it's always 100% correct, right
). I know the NFL tries to keep stuff in this program in-house, but any leaks or rumors from the last year or two? That's what is most likely to cost him additional games, whether it's this year or next year.
