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The Magical 110: Analyzing WR Targets (1 Viewer)

JGalligan

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To be honest, I’ve never really paid much attention to targets. Don’t ask me why, I just didn’t. I knew about them, but I never really tried to put them in context -- probably because I was too lazy. When you do think about them though, the more targets a player gets, the more his chance is to succeed. The better his chance to succeed, the more points he’ll likely put up for your fantasy squad. It’s not that hard of a concept to wrap your mind around. If I can do it...

With the help of the Game Log Dominator (to which I have officially become addicted) I compiled a list of the top WR targets from 2002-2007 and separated them by year. After studying the list and getting a decent handle on the fluxations from year to year, I tried to find a mark off point. One hour and two slices of pizza later, I found one. At least, I think I found one.

That cut off point was 110 targets per year. Not knowing quite where I was going but too intrigued to stop, I calculated the minimum and maximum average receptions, yards and TD’s from 2002-2007 combined. I dropped the highest and lowest each year to get a more realistic sampling. I’m not entirely sure if that was mathematically correct, but it made sense at the time. So I did it.

Out of all the players who had at least 110 targets from 2002-2007, the minimum average was:

62 receptions, 790 receiving yards and 3 TD’s

A fair amount of 1 and 2 TD performances bogged the minimum down a bit, but it’s still an impressive line none-the-less. On the positive end, the maximum average was:

104 receptions, 1,444 receiving yards and 13 TD’s

I think I speak for everyone when I say I’d take that! The summation I eventually came to was that if you could predict the WR’s who had a good shot at getting at least 110 targets then you have a great shot at having that player produce a pretty respectable season, at worst.

But I didn’t stop there. On average over the 6 years, 27 WR’s managed to be targeted at least 110 times. In the interests of seeing the amount of players who broke into that list on average each year, I continued upon my statistical, math-complimented quest. Without even a calculator, mind you! If only my third grade teacher could see me now..

Two hours and two cigarettes later, I came up with the average of 10 players over the past six years who broke into or back onto that top 27/110 targets list each year. To get to the point of the purpose for the post, here are the 10 players who I don’t think will manage to acquire the 110 targets that they saw in 2007:

Derrick Mason (BAL) - With Steve McNair gone and rookie Ray Rice wowing the crowds, the Ravens very well may run a lot more than they will pass this year. Especially with either Troy Smith or Kyle Boller at QB.

Lee Evans (BUF) - Marshawn Lynch proved last year he could be a workhorse back and rookie WR James Hardy gives Trent Edwards another actual option besides Evans to throw to.

Reggie Brown (PHI) - King of RB targets, Brian Westbrook, will still see a massive amount of targets for a RB. DeSean Jackson will in turn steal some more targets away from Brown.

Marques Colston (NO) - Pass catching TE Jeremy Shockey should see his fair share of targets in 2008. The emergence of rookie WR Robert Meachem should as well.

Bobby Engram (SEA) - You can’t get targets if your not on the field.

Chris Chambers (SD) - This may be a long shot, but if Gates can return soon then he’ll resume his hoarding of the targets. LaDainian Tomlinson and Vincent Jackson won’t help Chambers totals either.

Shaun McDonald (DET) - No Mike Martz system? No targets.

Bernard Berrian (CHI) - I don’t think I need to go on a limb and say that the Vikings may run a lot this year. The more they run, the less targets Berrian will get.

Donald Driver (GB) - Aaron Rodgers has plenty of weapons to spread the targets around. Driver will get some, but not 110.

Hines Ward (PIT) - Santonio Holmes? Willie Parker? Rashard Mendenhall? Heath Miller? All will get targets that Hines Ward will not.

Who will the ten be that fill the vacancies you say? Ask and you shall receive! The 2007 target totals are in parentheses:

Anquan Boldin (99) (ARI) - Should get at least 110 targets no matter who ends up being the starting QB.

Calvin Johnson (95) (DET) - He’s going to get more and more targets as the years go by.

Santonio Holmes (85) (PIT) - With Hines Ward on the decline, Holmes will benefit from increased targets.

Ten Ginn Jr. (71) (MIA)- Ginn’s likely targets got a huge boost with the arrival of Chad Pennington.

Muhsin Muhammad (81) (CAR) - Muhammed should see a lot of targets in Steve Smith’s two-game absence and even some when he returns. He’ll get more if Jake Delhomme can stay healthy.

Andre Johnson (86) (HOU) - The only reason Johnson didn’t total 110 last year was because he was injured for 7 games.

Jerry Porter (103) (JAX) - Porter should be a favorite target of Jaguars QB David Garrard.

Roy Williams (104) (DET) - With Mike Martz now gone, the Lions will have to throw to their top two WR’s a whole lot just like the normal teams.

Patrick Crayton (81) (DAL) - Someone has to get Terry Glenn’s targets and with Crayton now the WR2, he very likely will.

Laveranues Coles (89) - Maybe that Brett Favre character will have an effect on Coles' numbers?

 
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Damn fine analysis :thumbup:

Although I think Colston is a no-brainer to get his 110+. He's certainly Brees favorite target and that aint going to change anytime soon.

 
Marques Colston(NO) - Pass catching TE Jeremy Shockey should see his fair share of targets in 2008. The emergence of rookie WR Robert Meachem should as well.
Last year, TE's Eric Johnson and Billy Miler combined for 75 receptions and nearly 700 yards. I don't expect Brees to throw much more to his TE than he did last year except in the red zone. Meachem's "emergence" is being a little over-hyped too. He's got a chance to do good things but let's not get carried away. The Saints have lots of weapons, sure, but they hope to to be in fewer shoot-outs than last year. With the depth at running back and improvements to the defense, they want to stake themselves to a lead and grind it out.
 
To be honest, I’ve never really paid much attention to targets. Don’t ask me why, I just didn’t. I knew about them, but I never really tried to put them in context -- probably because I was too lazy. When you do think about them though, the more targets a player gets, the more his chance is to succeed. To the better his chance to succeed, the more points he’ll likely put up for your fantasy squad. It’s not that hard of a concept to wrap your mind around.

With the help of the Game Log Dominator (to which I have officially become addicted) I compiled a list of the top WR targets from 2002-2007 and separated them by year. After studying the list and getting a decent handle on the fluxations from year to year, I tried to find a mark off point. One hour and two slices of pizza later, I found one. Well, at least I think I found one.

That cut off point was 110 targets per year. Not knowing quite where I was going but too intrigued to stop, I calculated the minimum and maximum average receptions, yards and TD’s from 2002-2007 combined. I dropped the highest and lowest each year to get a more realistic sampling. I’m not entirely sure if that was mathematically correct, but it made sense at the time. So I did it.

Out of all the players who had at least 110 targets from 2002-2007, the minimum average was:

62 receptions, 790 receiving yards and 3 TD’s

A fair amount of 1 and 2 TD performances bogged the minimum down a bit, but it’s still an impressive line none-the-less. On the positive end, the maximum average was:

104 receptions, 1,444 receiving yards and 13 TD’s

I think I speak for everyone when I say I’d take that! The summation I eventually came to was that if you could predict the WR’s who had a good shot at getting at least 110 targets then you had a great shot at having that player have a pretty respectable season, at worst.

But I didn’t stop there. On average over the 6 years, 27 WR’s managed to be targeted at least 110 times. In the interests of seeing the amount of players who broke into that list on average each year, I continued upon my statistical, math-complimented quest. Without even a calculator, mind you! If only my third grade teacher could see me now..

Two hours and two cigarettes later, I came up with the average of 10 players over the past six years who broke into or back onto that top 27/at least 110 targets list each year. To get to the point of the purpose for the post, here are the 10 players who I don’t think will manage the acquire 110 targets that they saw in 2007:

Derrick Mason (BAL) - With Steve McNair gone and rookie Ray Rice wowing the crowds, the Ravens very well may run a lot more than they will pass this year. Especially with either Troy Smith or Kyle Boller at QB.

Lee Evans (BUF) - Marshawn Lynch proved last year he could be a workhorse back and rookie WR James Hardy gives Trent Edwards another actual option besides Evans to throw to.

Reggie Brown (PHI) - King of RB targets, Brian Westbrook, will still see a massive amount of targets for a RB. DeSean Jackson will in turn steal some more targets away from Brown.

Marques Colston(NO) - Pass catching TE Jeremy Shockey should see his fair share of targets in 2008. The emergence of rookie WR Robert Meachem should as well.

Bobby Engram (SEA) - You can’t get targets if your not on the field.

Chris Chambers (SD) - This may be a long shot, but if Gates can return soon then he’ll resume his hoarding of the targets. LaDainian Tomlinson and Vincent Jackson won’t help Chambers totals either.

Shaun McDonald (DET) - No Mike Martz system? No targets.

Bernard Berrian (CHI) - I don’t think I need to go on a limb and say that the Vikings may run a lot this year. The more they run, the less targets Berrian will get.

Donald Driver (GB) - Aaron Rodgers has plenty of weapons to spread the targets around. Driver will get some, but not 110.

Hines Ward (PIT) - Santonio Holmes? Willie Parker? Rashard Mendenhall? Heath Miller? All will get targets that Hines Ward will not.

Who will the ten be that fill the vacancies you say? Ask and you shall receive! The 2007 target totals are in parentheses:

Anquan Boldin (99) (ARI) - Should get at least 110 targets no matter who ends up being the starting QB.

Calvin Johnson (95) (DET) - He’s going to get more and more targets as the years go by.

Santonio Holmes (85) (PIT) - With Hines Ward on the decline, Holmes will benefit from increased targets.

Ten Ginn Jr. (71) (MIA)- Ginn’s likely targets got a huge boost with the arrival of Chad Pennington.

Muhsin Muhammad (81) (CAR) - Muhammed should see a lot of targets in Steve Smith’s two-game absence and even some when he returns. He’ll get more if Jake Delhomme can stay healthy.

Andre Johnson (86) (HOU) - The only reason Johnson didn’t total 110 last year was because he was injured for 7 games.

Jerry Porter (103) (JAX) - Porter should be a favorite target of Jaguars QB David Garrard.

Roy Williams (104) (DET) - With Mike Martz now gone, the Lions will have to throw to their top two WR’s a whole lot just like the normal teams.

Patrick Crayton (81) (DAL) - Someone has to get Terry Glenn’s targets and with Crayton now the WR2, he very likely will.

Laveranues Coles (89) - Maybe that Brett Favre character will have an effect on Coles' targets?
nerd
 
To be honest, I’ve never really paid much attention to targets. Don’t ask me why, I just didn’t. I knew about them, but I never really tried to put them in context -- probably because I was too lazy. When you do think about them though, the more targets a player gets, the more his chance is to succeed. To the better his chance to succeed, the more points he’ll likely put up for your fantasy squad. It’s not that hard of a concept to wrap your mind around.

With the help of the Game Log Dominator (to which I have officially become addicted) I compiled a list of the top WR targets from 2002-2007 and separated them by year. After studying the list and getting a decent handle on the fluxations from year to year, I tried to find a mark off point. One hour and two slices of pizza later, I found one. Well, at least I think I found one.

That cut off point was 110 targets per year. Not knowing quite where I was going but too intrigued to stop, I calculated the minimum and maximum average receptions, yards and TD’s from 2002-2007 combined. I dropped the highest and lowest each year to get a more realistic sampling. I’m not entirely sure if that was mathematically correct, but it made sense at the time. So I did it.

Out of all the players who had at least 110 targets from 2002-2007, the minimum average was:

62 receptions, 790 receiving yards and 3 TD’s

A fair amount of 1 and 2 TD performances bogged the minimum down a bit, but it’s still an impressive line none-the-less. On the positive end, the maximum average was:

104 receptions, 1,444 receiving yards and 13 TD’s

I think I speak for everyone when I say I’d take that! The summation I eventually came to was that if you could predict the WR’s who had a good shot at getting at least 110 targets then you had a great shot at having that player have a pretty respectable season, at worst.

But I didn’t stop there. On average over the 6 years, 27 WR’s managed to be targeted at least 110 times. In the interests of seeing the amount of players who broke into that list on average each year, I continued upon my statistical, math-complimented quest. Without even a calculator, mind you! If only my third grade teacher could see me now..

Two hours and two cigarettes later, I came up with the average of 10 players over the past six years who broke into or back onto that top 27/at least 110 targets list each year. To get to the point of the purpose for the post, here are the 10 players who I don’t think will manage the acquire 110 targets that they saw in 2007:

Derrick Mason (BAL) - With Steve McNair gone and rookie Ray Rice wowing the crowds, the Ravens very well may run a lot more than they will pass this year. Especially with either Troy Smith or Kyle Boller at QB.

Lee Evans (BUF) - Marshawn Lynch proved last year he could be a workhorse back and rookie WR James Hardy gives Trent Edwards another actual option besides Evans to throw to.

Reggie Brown (PHI) - King of RB targets, Brian Westbrook, will still see a massive amount of targets for a RB. DeSean Jackson will in turn steal some more targets away from Brown.

Marques Colston(NO) - Pass catching TE Jeremy Shockey should see his fair share of targets in 2008. The emergence of rookie WR Robert Meachem should as well.

Bobby Engram (SEA) - You can’t get targets if your not on the field.

Chris Chambers (SD) - This may be a long shot, but if Gates can return soon then he’ll resume his hoarding of the targets. LaDainian Tomlinson and Vincent Jackson won’t help Chambers totals either.

Shaun McDonald (DET) - No Mike Martz system? No targets.

Bernard Berrian (CHI) - I don’t think I need to go on a limb and say that the Vikings may run a lot this year. The more they run, the less targets Berrian will get.

Donald Driver (GB) - Aaron Rodgers has plenty of weapons to spread the targets around. Driver will get some, but not 110.

Hines Ward (PIT) - Santonio Holmes? Willie Parker? Rashard Mendenhall? Heath Miller? All will get targets that Hines Ward will not.

Who will the ten be that fill the vacancies you say? Ask and you shall receive! The 2007 target totals are in parentheses:

Anquan Boldin (99) (ARI) - Should get at least 110 targets no matter who ends up being the starting QB.

Calvin Johnson (95) (DET) - He’s going to get more and more targets as the years go by.

Santonio Holmes (85) (PIT) - With Hines Ward on the decline, Holmes will benefit from increased targets.

Ten Ginn Jr. (71) (MIA)- Ginn’s likely targets got a huge boost with the arrival of Chad Pennington.

Muhsin Muhammad (81) (CAR) - Muhammed should see a lot of targets in Steve Smith’s two-game absence and even some when he returns. He’ll get more if Jake Delhomme can stay healthy.

Andre Johnson (86) (HOU) - The only reason Johnson didn’t total 110 last year was because he was injured for 7 games.

Jerry Porter (103) (JAX) - Porter should be a favorite target of Jaguars QB David Garrard.

Roy Williams (104) (DET) - With Mike Martz now gone, the Lions will have to throw to their top two WR’s a whole lot just like the normal teams.

Patrick Crayton (81) (DAL) - Someone has to get Terry Glenn’s targets and with Crayton now the WR2, he very likely will.

Laveranues Coles (89) - Maybe that Brett Favre character will have an effect on Coles' targets?
nerd
What gave it away? :shrug:
 
Can I subscribe to your blog? :lmao: :shrug: :cry: :mellow: :mellow:
:unsure:

While i don't agree with whom u think will hit 110 targets, that was a great post. Thanks.
Damn fine analysis :lmao:

Although I think Colston is a no-brainer to get his 110+. He's certainly Brees favorite target and that aint going to change anytime soon.
Marques Colston(NO) - Pass catching TE Jeremy Shockey should see his fair share of targets in 2008. The emergence of rookie WR Robert Meachem should as well.
Last year, TE's Eric Johnson and Billy Miler combined for 75 receptions and nearly 700 yards. I don't expect Brees to throw much more to his TE than he did last year except in the red zone. Meachem's "emergence" is being a little over-hyped too. He's got a chance to do good things but let's not get carried away. The Saints have lots of weapons, sure, but they hope to to be in fewer shoot-outs than last year. With the depth at running back and improvements to the defense, they want to stake themselves to a lead and grind it out.
Nice post JGalligan - great data capture and analysis. :lmao:
Thank you! As for Colston, yeah he still has a good shot at 110 targets.. but if Deuce is healthy they'll have him, Reggie, Shockey, Meachem and Henderson (every 4th game or so) to take away some targets from Colston last year. Too bad one handed catches don't count for more targets..I didn't know about Johnson and Miler though. Fair point.

 
While I thank you for the effort...

Im simply not sure that this does me any good whatsoever.

It doesnt seem to change my rankings or draft positioning on any players.

 
I tend to really look at targets especially toward the beginning of the season as I'm combing the waiver for nugets of glory. Nice Post. Thanks for your insight. Targets are one of those sort of hidden statistics that really can show something the numbers can't such as chemistry and situation.

 
The only way Colston would fall below 110 is injury.

And how do you figure Crayton is going to pick up Glenn's targets? Glenn didn't even play in 2007.

 
yeah i don't get Colston at all, but other than that nice post
I dunno, I guess I see a more balanced Saints attack in 2008. The whole purpose was for people to customize there own 10. It's the same thing with everything else in regards to rankings.
 
The only way Colston would fall below 110 is injury. And how do you figure Crayton is going to pick up Glenn's targets? Glenn didn't even play in 2007.
Look back to 2006. Terry Glenn had exactly 110 targets.
2006? You said:
Patrick Crayton (81) (DAL) - Someone has to get Terry Glenn’s targets and with Crayton now the WR2, he very likely will.
...but Crayton was WR2 all last year. What has changed?
 
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The only way Colston would fall below 110 is injury. And how do you figure Crayton is going to pick up Glenn's targets? Glenn didn't even play in 2007.
Look back to 2006. Terry Glenn had exactly 110 targets.
2006? You said:
Patrick Crayton (81) (DAL) - Someone has to get Terry Glenn’s targets and with Crayton now the WR2, he very likely will.
...but Crayton was WR2 all last year. What has changed?
Experience? He's gotten progressively better ever year he's played.
 
The only way Colston would fall below 110 is injury. And how do you figure Crayton is going to pick up Glenn's targets? Glenn didn't even play in 2007.
Look back to 2006. Terry Glenn had exactly 110 targets.
2006? You said:
Patrick Crayton (81) (DAL) - Someone has to get Terry Glenn’s targets and with Crayton now the WR2, he very likely will.
...but Crayton was WR2 all last year. What has changed?
Experience? He's gotten progressively better ever year he's played.
Crayton's stats:2004: 12 rec, 162 yards, 1 TD2005: 22 rec, 341 yards, 2 TD's2006: 36 rec, 516 yards, 4 TD's2007: 50 rec, 697 yards, 7 TD's
 
The only way Colston would fall below 110 is injury. And how do you figure Crayton is going to pick up Glenn's targets? Glenn didn't even play in 2007.
Look back to 2006. Terry Glenn had exactly 110 targets.
2006? You said:
Patrick Crayton (81) (DAL) - Someone has to get Terry Glenn’s targets and with Crayton now the WR2, he very likely will.
...but Crayton was WR2 all last year. What has changed?
Experience? He's gotten progressively better ever year he's played.
Crayton's stats:2004: 12 rec, 162 yards, 1 TD2005: 22 rec, 341 yards, 2 TD's2006: 36 rec, 516 yards, 4 TD's2007: 50 rec, 697 yards, 7 TD's
I don't see how a 14 reception uptick after becoming a starting receiver points toward him jumping into the top 25 in targets, but ok. And if you want to know who took (and will continue to get) Glenn's targets, look no further than #82.
 
The only way Colston would fall below 110 is injury. And how do you figure Crayton is going to pick up Glenn's targets? Glenn didn't even play in 2007.
Look back to 2006. Terry Glenn had exactly 110 targets.
2006? You said:
Patrick Crayton (81) (DAL) - Someone has to get Terry Glenn’s targets and with Crayton now the WR2, he very likely will.
...but Crayton was WR2 all last year. What has changed?
Experience? He's gotten progressively better ever year he's played.
Crayton's stats:2004: 12 rec, 162 yards, 1 TD2005: 22 rec, 341 yards, 2 TD's2006: 36 rec, 516 yards, 4 TD's2007: 50 rec, 697 yards, 7 TD's
I don't see how a 14 reception uptick after becoming a starting receiver points toward him jumping into the top 25 in targets, but ok. And if you want to know who took (and will continue to get) Glenn's targets, look no further than #82.
Call me crazy, but sometimes I except players to have breakout seasons. Weird I know, but still..And in that offense, any increase in receptions at all is worth noting. At least, that's what I think. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again. I'll also be the first person to PM you a congratulations if you're right about this.
 
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very good post with excellent research

I almost disagree on some of your not likely list, then again 110 is alot. I think people are a shade too premature on the impending doom of Driver and Ward's career. My guess is 2009, not 2008 for them.

Reggie Wayne getting a ton of targets seems like a given to me. I'd add him to the other list.

 
The only way Colston would fall below 110 is injury. And how do you figure Crayton is going to pick up Glenn's targets? Glenn didn't even play in 2007.
Look back to 2006. Terry Glenn had exactly 110 targets.
2006? You said:
Patrick Crayton (81) (DAL) - Someone has to get Terry Glenn’s targets and with Crayton now the WR2, he very likely will.
...but Crayton was WR2 all last year. What has changed?
Experience? He's gotten progressively better ever year he's played.
Crayton's stats:2004: 12 rec, 162 yards, 1 TD2005: 22 rec, 341 yards, 2 TD's2006: 36 rec, 516 yards, 4 TD's2007: 50 rec, 697 yards, 7 TD's
I think Felix Jones is going to be a part of what prevents Crayton from seeing that big of an increase in targets.I'm with the others on Colston. He should be closer to 150 than 110. Great post regardless. :lmao:
 
Solid all around, but for these guys . . .

Derrick Mason (BAL) - With Steve McNair gone and rookie Ray Rice wowing the crowds, the Ravens very well may run a lot more than they will pass this year. Especially with either Troy Smith or Kyle Boller at QB.

I agree that Mason's targets will likely go down, but not for the reasons you've indicated. Last I heard, the new scheme was going to feature a base offense with 3 WRs on the field most of the time and a plan of getting more vertical beacuse the offense was stale and predictable the last few years.

Marques Colston (NO) - Pass catching TE Jeremy Shockey should see his fair share of targets in 2008. The emergence of rookie WR Robert Meachem should as well.

With New Orleans putting the ball in the air 600+ times, I still see Colston doing just fine. He's their #1 and best option and won't suffer much if at all.

Chris Chambers (SD) - This may be a long shot, but if Gates can return soon then he’ll resume his hoarding of the targets. LaDainian Tomlinson and Vincent Jackson won’t help Chambers totals either.

Coming in cold off the street, Chambers was on pace for 101 targets in his time in SD. One would think with a full off season of being in the system his targets will go up as the team's #1 receiver.

Donald Driver (GB) - Aaron Rodgers has plenty of weapons to spread the targets around. Driver will get some, but not 110.

If you've watched the Pack's preseason games, you would have seen that Driver is a frequent Rodgers target. IMO, Driver's targets will go up this year (he had 170+ the season before).

Hines Ward (PIT) - Santonio Holmes? Willie Parker? Rashard Mendenhall? Heath Miller? All will get targets that Hines Ward will not.

Ward had 113 targets last year missing 3 games. I don't see him falling that far back target wise. I don't love Ward's chances for a big season, but it's his production that concerns me not his targets.

Anquan Boldin (99) (ARI) - Should get at least 110 targets no matter who ends up being the starting QB.

He's been one of the most targeted WR in the league since he suited up, not sure you bothered including him on the list.

Muhsin Muhammad (81) (CAR) - Muhammed should see a lot of targets in Steve Smith’s two-game absence and even some when he returns. He’ll get more if Jake Delhomme can stay healthy.

Nor really going out on a limbe considering he had 5 years in a row of 100_ targets including 3 in Carolina.

Andre Johnson (86) (HOU) - The only reason Johnson didn’t total 110 last year was because he was injured for 7 games.

Again, stating the obvious.

Jerry Porter (103) (JAX) - Porter should be a favorite target of Jaguars QB David Garrard.

Based on what? THe Jags have a ton of reciving options but don't pass much. He's also been banged up and the team runs the ball a ton. I doubt Porter gets that many targets.

Patrick Crayton (81) (DAL) - Someone has to get Terry Glenn’s targets and with Crayton now the WR2, he very likely will.

Terry Glenn had . . . 1 target in 2007. I guess Crayton will get 82 now.

 
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JGalligan - you've quickly become one of my favorite posters. :lmao:

Glad to see that you've highlighted the importance of WR targets. An under-rated statistic that can & should be used for many purposes. I traded for TJ Housh a few years back after noticing that he received at least as many targets as CJ....

Anyway, what I *hoped* to see in this thread before opening it.....was a closer look at: a) guys who have consistently ranked in the top X for targets each year, b) guys who had consistently been top X but dropped out last yr due to a 1-yr blip, c) guys who have consistently ranked top X who you expect to drop out next year, etc.

What you have is certainly close to that - but it seems that despite looking at 6 years data, you then defaulted to using 2007 targets for your writeup. My question: why? You had a great thing going, so stick with it!!

Either way, keep up the great work. Anytime you can SP folks thinking during the hours 12pm - 6am, you've done a great deed. :thumbup:

 
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Solid all around, but for these guys . . .

Derrick Mason (BAL) - With Steve McNair gone and rookie Ray Rice wowing the crowds, the Ravens very well may run a lot more than they will pass this year. Especially with either Troy Smith or Kyle Boller at QB.

I agree that Mason's targets will likely go down, but not for the reasons you've indicated. Last I heard, the new scheme was going to feature a base offense with 3 WRs on the field most of the time and a plan of getting more vertical beacuse the offense was stale and predictable the last few years.
The 3 WR set is looking more & more like a pipe dream to me - at least, it is as a base set. There's a couple of reasons I think this:1. They signed Lo Neal, which tells me they're not going single-back that often. So, if they're starting a FB & 3 WRs, that leaves no room for a TE & I don't see that happening. Are they gonna bench Heap?

2. The O-line is makeshift right now with the injuries & doesn't look good at all. If they only keep 5 to block, they're going to have all of their QBs in the hospital by October. They'll need to max-protect, which means at least one TE & probably a FB kept in to block on passing downs. They could go 3-WR but they'd have no half-back in the game.

3. Until Demetrius Williams gets healthy, they don't have a good enough WR #3 to offset the disadvantages listed above.

Anyway, sorry for the hijack. Good thread.

 
Out of all the players who had at least 110 targets from 2002-2007, the minimum average was: 62 receptions, 790 receiving yards and 3 TD’s A fair amount of 1 and 2 TD performances bogged the minimum down a bit, but it’s still an impressive line none-the-less. On the positive end, the maximum average was: 104 receptions, 1,444 receiving yards and 13 TD’s
First of all, my appreciation for your research and thoughtful post. That was a nice read.Could you clarify something for me though, from a mathematical standpoint? What, exactly, is a "minimum" and "maximum" average? I think you are taking the min and max for each year from 2002-2007 and averaging across the years, but I wanted to make sure.Anyways, I disagree with some of the players you targeted, but not the concept. We can always argue about players! :thumbup:
 
Just another great post by JG.

I would invite the board to really have an open mind about the upcoming season. I see a lot of posts with replies that would indicate they either are dynasty owners and disagreement about one of their stars...or they are thrilled when they read about a potential breakout season, or you have posters that seem very set on what they are going to do no matter what they come across or read...possibly they already had their redraft and are feeling buyer's remorse or something.

Just an observation.

Do I agree with everything I just read? Of course not, but it was well thought out, I like the stat comparisons, and some of the guy he has targeteed for breakout seasons I have as well. I think Crayton will take the next step this season. Witten may see just a slight drop in his numbers...maybe 70-80 catches. I see Crayton getting somewhere in the 60-70 range, maybe 1,000 yds, and 6-8 TD.

 
if preseason is any indication, Santonio Holmes could finish the year as a top 5 WR..he looks unstoppable..85 targets might be too low..the Pitt offense looks more dynamic, more wide-opened thus far..if thats the way the team will look come opening day, Holmes is in for a very big year! :goodposting:

until Mason retires, he's going to be money in the bank as a #3/#4 WR..Cameron's offenses generally focus on the RB and TE positions, with the occasional pass to the WR's. Mason is, hand-down, the best receiving option the Ravens have..he's the most consistent, and he never gets hurt ( Heap is a walking injury compared to Mason)..While Rice and/or McGahee have decent hands and will get their fair share of receptions, Mason will once again be the security blanket for Boller/Smith/Flacco, esp if Heap is hurt again..

Mason won't catch 100+ balls, but 80-85 isn't a stretch... :thumbup:

 
JGalligan - you've quickly become one of my favorite posters. :fishing:

Glad to see that you've highlighted the importance of WR targets. An under-rated statistic that can & should be used for many purposes. I traded for TJ Housh a few years back after noticing that he received at least as many targets as CJ....

Anyway, what I *hoped* to see in this thread before opening it.....was a closer look at: a) guys who have consistently ranked in the top X for targets each year, b) guys who had consistently been top X but dropped out last yr due to a 1-yr blip, c) guys who have consistently ranked top X who you expect to drop out next year, etc.

What you have is certainly close to that - but it seems that despite looking at 6 years data, you then defaulted to using 2007 targets for your writeup. My question: why? You had a great thing going, so stick with it!!

Either way, keep up the great work. Anytime you can SP folks thinking during the hours 12pm - 6am, you've done a great deed. :shrug:
Thanks. There's a ton of different directions target anaylsis can go but I'm actually going to do something along the lines of the a and b ones that you've suggested. Gotta love the Game Log Dominator!
Out of all the players who had at least 110 targets from 2002-2007, the minimum average was:

62 receptions, 790 receiving yards and 3 TD’s

A fair amount of 1 and 2 TD performances bogged the minimum down a bit, but it’s still an impressive line none-the-less. On the positive end, the maximum average was:

104 receptions, 1,444 receiving yards and 13 TD’s
First of all, my appreciation for your research and thoughtful post. That was a nice read.Could you clarify something for me though, from a mathematical standpoint? What, exactly, is a "minimum" and "maximum" average? I think you are taking the min and max for each year from 2002-2007 and averaging across the years, but I wanted to make sure.

Anyways, I disagree with some of the players you targeted, but not the concept. We can always argue about players! :lmao:
Your right, I took out the minimum and maximum for each given year (Eg: Randy Moss TD's for 2007) for each category (rec, yards, TD's). Then I calculated the average using the second highest stat. There was really no rhyme or reason to it, mathematically but I thought it would give the averages a more realistic flavor.Someone just tried to explain standard deviation to me and I'm trying to grasp the whole concept. I've never been a big fan of math but now that I can apply it to football I might just finally understand a lot more of the advanced concepts.

 
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yeah i don't get Colston at all, but other than that nice post
I dunno, I guess I see a more balanced Saints attack in 2008.

The whole purpose was for people to customize there own 10. It's the same thing with everything else in regards to rankings.
that is a different argument than simply saying shockey, meachem, et al will cut into colston's numbers though. i do believe that the saints will aim for more balance offensively. brees led the league with 652 pass attempts last year, which was 75 more attempts than next guy. some of that was borne out of necessity giving the inconsistency of the running game. payton will likely seek more balance because they know they can run the ball. they're hoping they can apply a bit of ball control once they stake themselves to a lead. this likely means more rushing attempt, regardless of who the RB actually is. brees had almost 100 fewer attempts in 2006 than he did last year. does anyone know how many times brees targeted colston that year? i think shockey will absorb the Johnson/Miller stats but with more TDs. meachem will be cutting into patten and reggie numbers, if he does anything meaningful this year at all. henderson won't see the field, i think, unless there is injury or multiple WR sets. the fans, coaches and front office have no faith in him. there was even some talk about him as a camp cut because he's on a 1-yr contract.

 
The only part I have a problem with is that you only had 2 slices of pizza and 2 cigarettes in 3+ hours of digging through these stats. That has to be an understatement.

Excellent post. I'm starting to take a shine to Ted Ginn, and this post gave me another little nugget to consider on draft day.

 
I think Evans will likely hit 110 again, simply because the Bills will be passing a whole helluva lot more than last year (and actually moving the ball too).

Edit: Poor aggy

 
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yeah i don't get Colston at all, but other than that nice post
I dunno, I guess I see a more balanced Saints attack in 2008. The whole purpose was for people to customize there own 10. It's the same thing with everything else in regards to rankings.
that is a different argument than simply saying shockey, meachem, et al will cut into colston's numbers though. i do believe that the saints will aim for more balance offensively. brees led the league with 652 pass attempts last year, which was 75 more attempts than next guy. some of that was borne out of necessity giving the inconsistency of the running game. payton will likely seek more balance because they know they can run the ball. they're hoping they can apply a bit of ball control once they stake themselves to a lead. this likely means more rushing attempt, regardless of who the RB actually is. brees had almost 100 fewer attempts in 2006 than he did last year. does anyone know how many times brees targeted colston that year? i think shockey will absorb the Johnson/Miller stats but with more TDs. meachem will be cutting into patten and reggie numbers, if he does anything meaningful this year at all. henderson won't see the field, i think, unless there is injury or multiple WR sets. the fans, coaches and front office have no faith in him. there was even some talk about him as a camp cut because he's on a 1-yr contract.
Colston had 115 targets in 2006, but keep in mind he lost 3 games to injury and sat out week 17 with a playoff berth locked up (he had 1 target in week 17). So he had 114 targets in the 12 regular season games he played healthy - almost 10 per game. I agree with the consensus that he is a lock for 110 targets, if he (and Brees) remains healthy
 
First off, good post JGalligan.

here are the 10 players who I don’t think will manage to acquire the 110 targets that they saw in 2007:

Derrick Mason (BAL) - With Steve McNair gone and rookie Ray Rice wowing the crowds, the Ravens very well may run a lot more than they will pass this year. Especially with either Troy Smith or Kyle Boller at QB.

Lee Evans (BUF) - Marshawn Lynch proved last year he could be a workhorse back and rookie WR James Hardy gives Trent Edwards another actual option besides Evans to throw to.

Reggie Brown (PHI) - King of RB targets, Brian Westbrook, will still see a massive amount of targets for a RB. DeSean Jackson will in turn steal some more targets away from Brown.

Marques Colston (NO) - Pass catching TE Jeremy Shockey should see his fair share of targets in 2008. The emergence of rookie WR Robert Meachem should as well.

Bobby Engram (SEA) - You can’t get targets if your not on the field.

Chris Chambers (SD) - This may be a long shot, but if Gates can return soon then he’ll resume his hoarding of the targets. LaDainian Tomlinson and Vincent Jackson won’t help Chambers totals either.

Shaun McDonald (DET) - No Mike Martz system? No targets.

Bernard Berrian (CHI) - I don’t think I need to go on a limb and say that the Vikings may run a lot this year. The more they run, the less targets Berrian will get.

Donald Driver (GB) - Aaron Rodgers has plenty of weapons to spread the targets around. Driver will get some, but not 110.

Hines Ward (PIT) - Santonio Holmes? Willie Parker? Rashard Mendenhall? Heath Miller? All will get targets that Hines Ward will not.
Disagree with these, assuming these players are healthy:Evans - Has been over 110 the past 2 seasons, is their #1 receiving option, and the Bills should pass more this year.

Colston - It's been covered in this thread, plus see my previous post.

Chambers - He had at least 85 targets last season (I say at least because FBG shows him with 0 targets in the last playoff game, but he had 7 catches) in 13 games with San Diego (counting postseason obviously); that scales to 105. On the one hand, he benefited from Gates being slowed by injury... but then, as of right now, it appears he may get a similar benefit this season. Plus, he had to move across country and learn a new offense (one he had some prior familiarity with, but still new) while accumulating those targets. Can't see him below 110 this year if he and Rivers stay healthy.

Driver - This one might be close, but Driver hasn't been below 122 targets since 2003, and he is still the vet possession WR in Green Bay; Rodgers will need him.

Ward - Has been below 113 targets only 1 time in past 7 seasons - in 2004, when Pittsburgh attempted only 358 passes (last in the NFL)... last year they attempted 442, and I see no reason they will throw significantly less this year.

One of the issues with this particular projection is that I would assume it is likely that a number of those (on average) 10 players who don't repeat their 110 targets fail to do so because of injuries (to themselves or others) or major situational changes (e.g., holdout, new coaching staff with more conservative offense, rookie QB, etc.).

Who will the ten be that fill the vacancies you say? Ask and you shall receive! The 2007 target totals are in parentheses:

Anquan Boldin (99) (ARI) - Should get at least 110 targets no matter who ends up being the starting QB.

Calvin Johnson (95) (DET) - He’s going to get more and more targets as the years go by.

Santonio Holmes (85) (PIT) - With Hines Ward on the decline, Holmes will benefit from increased targets.

Ten Ginn Jr. (71) (MIA)- Ginn’s likely targets got a huge boost with the arrival of Chad Pennington.

Muhsin Muhammad (81) (CAR) - Muhammed should see a lot of targets in Steve Smith’s two-game absence and even some when he returns. He’ll get more if Jake Delhomme can stay healthy.

Andre Johnson (86) (HOU) - The only reason Johnson didn’t total 110 last year was because he was injured for 7 games.

Jerry Porter (103) (JAX) - Porter should be a favorite target of Jaguars QB David Garrard.

Roy Williams (104) (DET) - With Mike Martz now gone, the Lions will have to throw to their top two WR’s a whole lot just like the normal teams.

Patrick Crayton (81) (DAL) - Someone has to get Terry Glenn’s targets and with Crayton now the WR2, he very likely will.

Laveranues Coles (89) - Maybe that Brett Favre character will have an effect on Coles' numbers?
I really only disagree with Muhammad, Porter, and Crayton from this list, but another one or two of these guys will likely get hurt and keep them from making it. Plus, this year could of course be a year with more than the average 27 guys who get 110+ targets.I do agree with the previous poster who mentioned that this is just another reason to think Ginn will offer value this year. More targets to go along with a better QB, his second half improvement last year, and expected normal improvement over rookie year...

 
The only way Colston would fall below 110 is injury. And how do you figure Crayton is going to pick up Glenn's targets? Glenn didn't even play in 2007.
Look back to 2006. Terry Glenn had exactly 110 targets.
2006? You said:
Patrick Crayton (81) (DAL) - Someone has to get Terry Glenn’s targets and with Crayton now the WR2, he very likely will.
...but Crayton was WR2 all last year. What has changed?
Experience? He's gotten progressively better ever year he's played.
Crayton's stats:2004: 12 rec, 162 yards, 1 TD2005: 22 rec, 341 yards, 2 TD's2006: 36 rec, 516 yards, 4 TD's2007: 50 rec, 697 yards, 7 TD's
How did his targets change during these years?
 
I have no doubt that both Colston and Mason could get tons of targets this year. But just so everyone could see where I was coming from picking Colston and Mason, here is the list of 19 players after I excluded everyone else. Out of these 19, I thought Colston and Mason were the bottom two to get targets:

Brandon Marshall

T.J. Houshmandzadeh

Larry Fitzgerald

Derrick Mason

Chad Johnson

Randy Moss

Reggie Wayne

Braylon Edwards

Torry Holt

Steve Smith

Wes Welker

Marques Colston

Terrell Owens

Plaxico Burress

Roddy White

Kevin Curtis

Jerricho Cotchery

Dwayne Bowe

Santana Moss

Which two would you all have picked? It's a tough list. They'll probably all get 110 targets and the average this year will be over 27, but in the interests of sticking with the formula, let's hear it!

 
I have no doubt that both Colston and Mason could get tons of targets this year. But just so everyone could see where I was coming from picking Colston and Mason, here is the list of 19 players after I excluded everyone else. Out of these 19, I thought Colston and Mason were the bottom two to get targets:

Brandon Marshall

T.J. Houshmandzadeh

Larry Fitzgerald

Derrick Mason

Chad Johnson

Randy Moss

Reggie Wayne

Braylon Edwards

Torry Holt

Steve Smith

Wes Welker

Marques Colston

Terrell Owens

Plaxico Burress

Roddy White

Kevin Curtis

Jerricho Cotchery

Dwayne Bowe

Santana Moss

Which two would you all have picked? It's a tough list. They'll probably all get 110 targets and the average this year will be over 27, but in the interests of sticking with the formula, let's hear it!
If I have to pick two, I'd go Curtis and Mason, possibly S.Moss. Colston is a mortal lock compared to those guys.
 
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I have no doubt that both Colston and Mason could get tons of targets this year. But just so everyone could see where I was coming from picking Colston and Mason, here is the list of 19 players after I excluded everyone else. Out of these 19, I thought Colston and Mason were the bottom two to get targets:Brandon Marshall T.J. Houshmandzadeh Larry Fitzgerald Derrick Mason Chad Johnson Randy Moss Reggie Wayne Braylon Edwards Torry Holt Steve Smith Wes Welker Marques Colston Terrell Owens Plaxico Burress Roddy White Kevin Curtis Jerricho Cotchery Dwayne Bowe Santana Moss Which two would you all have picked? It's a tough list. They'll probably all get 110 targets and the average this year will be over 27, but in the interests of sticking with the formula, let's hear it!
Curtis and Bowe/S. Moss
 
I have no doubt that both Colston and Mason could get tons of targets this year. But just so everyone could see where I was coming from picking Colston and Mason, here is the list of 19 players after I excluded everyone else. Out of these 19, I thought Colston and Mason were the bottom two to get targets:

Brandon Marshall

T.J. Houshmandzadeh

Larry Fitzgerald

Derrick Mason

Chad Johnson

Randy Moss

Reggie Wayne

Braylon Edwards

Torry Holt

Steve Smith

Wes Welker

Marques Colston

Terrell Owens

Plaxico Burress

Roddy White

Kevin Curtis

Jerricho Cotchery

Dwayne Bowe

Santana Moss

Which two would you all have picked? It's a tough list. They'll probably all get 110 targets and the average this year will be over 27, but in the interests of sticking with the formula, let's hear it!
If I have to pick two, I'd go Curtis and Mason, possibly S.Moss. Colston is a mortal lock compared to those guys.
Yeah I'll give everyone Colston. In retrospect, I definitely shouldn't have excluded him.
 
Roddy White

Kevin Curtis

Jerricho Cotchery

Dwayne Bowe

Santana Moss

Which two would you all have picked? It's a tough list. They'll probably all get 110 targets and the average this year will be over 27, but in the interests of sticking with the formula, let's hear it!
These come to mind.White - The Falcons will run more consistently and effectively. Someone else emerging at WR2 - Jenkins maybe? - will cut into his numbers too.

Cotchery - He stepped up, especially when Coles went down to injury. I think his production trails off because they want to limit Favre's pass attempts.

Moss - While i think Campbell's number improve under Zorn, I don't think it comes with the mercurial Moss. Redskins have lots of options in the passing game. Moss seems to be on the decline.

 
I have no doubt that both Colston and Mason could get tons of targets this year. But just so everyone could see where I was coming from picking Colston and Mason, here is the list of 19 players after I excluded everyone else. Out of these 19, I thought Colston and Mason were the bottom two to get targets:Brandon Marshall T.J. Houshmandzadeh Larry Fitzgerald Derrick Mason Chad Johnson Randy Moss Reggie Wayne Braylon Edwards Torry Holt Steve Smith Wes Welker Marques Colston Terrell Owens Plaxico Burress Roddy White Kevin Curtis Jerricho Cotchery Dwayne Bowe Santana Moss Which two would you all have picked? It's a tough list. They'll probably all get 110 targets and the average this year will be over 27, but in the interests of sticking with the formula, let's hear it!
odds are, unfortunately, that at least two guys on that list will get hurt and be the ones to missout on 110 targets....
 

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