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What are the 10 worst OL in football in 2008? (1 Viewer)

Ministry of Pain

Ministry of Pain

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In no particular order...

Kansas City: Gave up 55 sacks last year, and had a 3.3 ypc avg as a unit...how are they any better in 2008? Maybe 2009/2010. I know they drafted a LT but I had heard he was injured for most of camp.

San Francisco: 55 sacks last year, a decent 4.1 ypc but they lose Larry Allen and Justin Smiley, lot of flux on the line.

Detroit Lions: 54 sacks last season, still have stiff Kitna under center. They are a little better at run blocking.

Chicago Bears: 3.1 ypc and 43 sacks form a season ago, plus the rookie they drafted to play LT is likely out for awhile with a heriated disc.

Atlanta Falcons: 47 sacks and a 3.9 ypc avg...Ryan has looked good so far but wait till the season starts and he is running for his almighty life back there.

Seattle Seahawks: There's a reason the RBs don't look good, and this line ain't gettin much of a push right now.

Washington Redskins: 3.8 ypc from a year ago, and they don't look all that promising in the preseason. Skins are a mess right now.

St Louis: 48 sacks and a 3.8 ypc avg last season...not much good to report this year either.

Baltimore: Losing Ogden for good is going to have an impact. Boller likely done so we will have a rookie under center very soon. They gave up 39 sacks last season, good bet to give up 50+ this year.

Arizona: Only 24 sacks a year ago but 3.6 ypc is pitiful on the ground.

Who am I missing? Who shouldn't be on this list? I looked at Pitt, miami, and Oakland too but I think they will narowly stay out of this bottom 10.

 
There is a reason I am doing this so please feel free to post your bottom 10...what I am doing is taking this info and then seeing what teams play these 10 worst the most times...odds are those defenses will be primed for a lot of sacks and turnovers whioch leads to cheap points and defenses you likely can snag in the last 1-2 rounds of most drafts. Forget those teams going in the 1st 5 off the board...most of them have fairly tough schedules and could likely disappoint.

 
Nice list

one other team deserving consideration off the top of my head:

Denver: Rookie at one tackle, Pears who wasn't impress at all at the other, old man Nalen at center, and adequate Guards at best.

 
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As a Packer fan I'm very nervous about the shuffling going on. It seems like they can't settle on the starting middle and from what we've seen so far it may not be easy for the Packers to get any yardage up the middle. Grant (Jackson,Morency) are going to struggle vs the Vikings, Bears, Cowboys, Titans, Jaguars, Panthers, and maybe the Buccaneers as that game is in Tampa.

Last year it took until week 6 or 7 before the line began to gel. I'm not sure if they can do it again..

 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Nice listone other team deserving consideration off the top of my head:Denver: Rookie at one tackle, Pears who wasn't impress at all at the other, old man Nalen at center, and adequate Guards at best.
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Sigmund, you bring up good points but they scheme a lot and can hide some of those issues. I would acually rate Denver in the half of OL..not the elite perhaps it has been in the past, but not terrible either.
 
BLOX said:
As a Packer fan I'm very nervous about the shuffling going on. It seems like they can't settle on the starting middle and from what we've seen so far it may not be easy for the Packers to get any yardage up the middle. Grant (Jackson,Morency) are going to struggle vs the Vikings, Bears, Cowboys, Titans, Jaguars, Panthers, and maybe the Buccaneers as that game is in Tampa.

Last year it took until week 6 or 7 before the line began to gel. I'm not sure if they can do it again..
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4.8 ypc 2nd half of the season and only 19 sacks last year, 5 starters return...not exactly the ideal candidate for bottom 10. Don't look at the preseason too hard.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
There is a reason I am doing this so please feel free to post your bottom 10...what I am doing is taking this info and then seeing what teams play these 10 worst the most times...
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ARI with SFx2, SEAx2, STLx2, and MIA should get out to a pretty good head start here.
 
BLOX said:
As a Packer fan I'm very nervous about the shuffling going on. It seems like they can't settle on the starting middle and from what we've seen so far it may not be easy for the Packers to get any yardage up the middle. Grant (Jackson,Morency) are going to struggle vs the Vikings, Bears, Cowboys, Titans, Jaguars, Panthers, and maybe the Buccaneers as that game is in Tampa.Last year it took until week 6 or 7 before the line began to gel. I'm not sure if they can do it again..
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IMO, the shuffling is happening due to Wells being out.Latest reports are he is expecting to be fine to start the season.I think Colledge will be fine back at LG, Spitz at RG as long as Wells can go.If Wells gets hurt, that is where it worries me.There is some depth...but we would have to then up either the rookie Sitton (who is hurt too) or Barbre or Moll could step in and play RG for Spitz as he would move to center (as Coston just was not working out at center...though, I thought earlier in the year he would end up pushing Colledge for the LG spot).
 
Very nice.

To restate what everyone already knows, the Bears offense will be dreadful. I think anyone playing the Ravens will be good for cheap points, as well.

 
It hasn't taken long to connect the dots. All 4 teams in the NFC West have potential bottom 10 OL...might not end that way but they all have challenges. One of the divisions they face is the NFC East...now I said to forget teams like Dallas, and the Giants are pretty much a trainwreck IMO with no pass rush now, and we know Washington is pretty average at best on defense...that leaves THE PHILADELPHIA EAGLES(Pasquino and Wood please sit down)...let's look at this schedule.

wk1: St Louis: They are at home, should be a nice match up for them.

wk2: @Dallas: Alright, this one is not so good

wk3: Pittsburgh: They are not the world beaters they have been in the past, they lost Faneca...I would say this i sno longer a top10 OL...average at best.

wk4: @Chicago: Great match up

wk5: Washington:Should be a great match up

wk6: @San Fran:Bottom 10 OL

wk7:Bye

wk8: Atlanta:Bottom 10 OL...maybe bottom 5

wk9: @Seattle:Another good match up

wk10:NYGiants: Toughie

wk11:@Cincinnati: Not all that tough, maybe not bottom 10 but not top10 either

wk12:@Baltimore:Another bottom 10 match up

wk13:Arizona: Another bottom 10 match up

wk14:@NYG

wk15:CLE

wk16:@Washington

I think the playoffs are not the best match up but this defense can be had well after the 1st 8-10 come off the board, unless you are drafting in Philly. Keep them on your radar.

 
I actually feel better about the WAS OL than I do about the Houston OL. Last year WAS was pretty nicked up. They should be healthy this year and given that even with the low YPC they still were #12 in YPG should show that they are willing to run the ball behind that line. Perhaps that is more because of the other players involved? Who knows, but I would not put their OL as bottom 10 heading into this year.

Houston seems like they have some OL issues to me. I would probably throw them in, in place of WAS. They also only had 3.8 YPC and only 99 YPG to go with that.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
There is a reason I am doing this so please feel free to post your bottom 10...what I am doing is taking this info and then seeing what teams play these 10 worst the most times...odds are those defenses will be primed for a lot of sacks and turnovers whioch leads to cheap points and defenses you likely can snag in the last 1-2 rounds of most drafts. Forget those teams going in the 1st 5 off the board...most of them have fairly tough schedules and could likely disappoint.
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Well MOP, since the entire NFC West is included I would say any of those D's would be your target since they get 6 games against these suspect lines.
 
I realize it is preseason - but the Seahawks O-line has looked pretty good against some of the more formidable starting defensive fronts (MIN, CHI, SD) in the first quarters of those games. The addition of Wahle and O- line coach Mike Solari gets them out of the bottom 10 IMHO.

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
Atlanta Falcons: 47 sacks and a 3.9 ypc avg...Ryan has looked good so far but wait till the season starts and he is running for his almighty life back there. Washington Redskins: 3.8 ypc from a year ago, and they don't look all that promising in the preseason. Skins are a mess right now. St Louis: 48 sacks and a 3.8 ypc avg last season...not much good to report this year either. Who shouldn't be on this list?
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I would not be judging these three O'lines from last years results.All three of those units suffered unsurmountable injuries to their O'lines & the chances of that type of perfect storm hitting those O'lines two years in a row, is highly unlikely.Also in the case of Atlanta's O'line, besides the injuries, the disastourous O'line scheme Petrino insisted on using, has been scrapped. Their new coach is putting the elements of the O'line scheme that saw the Falcons have the NFL's #1 ranked rushing attack in both rushing yards & ypc for the years 2004, 2005 & 2006, back into play.It also doesn't hurt the Falcons that through the draft, they've added USC's Tackle Sam Baker, to their O'line.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
In no particular order...

Kansas City: Gave up 55 sacks last year, and had a 3.3 ypc avg as a unit...how are they any better in 2008? Maybe 2009/2010. I know they drafted a LT but I had heard he was injured for most of camp.

San Francisco: 55 sacks last year, a decent 4.1 ypc but they lose Larry Allen and Justin Smiley, lot of flux on the line.

Detroit Lions: 54 sacks last season, still have stiff Kitna under center. They are a little better at run blocking.

Chicago Bears: 3.1 ypc and 43 sacks form a season ago, plus the rookie they drafted to play LT is likely out for awhile with a heriated disc.

Atlanta Falcons: 47 sacks and a 3.9 ypc avg...Ryan has looked good so far but wait till the season starts and he is running for his almighty life back there.

Seattle Seahawks: There's a reason the RBs don't look good, and this line ain't gettin much of a push right now.

Washington Redskins: 3.8 ypc from a year ago, and they don't look all that promising in the preseason. Skins are a mess right now.

St Louis: 48 sacks and a 3.8 ypc avg last season...not much good to report this year either.

Baltimore: Losing Ogden for good is going to have an impact. Boller likely done so we will have a rookie under center very soon. They gave up 39 sacks last season, good bet to give up 50+ this year.

Arizona: Only 24 sacks a year ago but 3.6 ypc is pitiful on the ground.

Who am I missing? Who shouldn't be on this list? I looked at Pitt, miami, and Oakland too but I think they will narowly stay out of this bottom 10.
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Keep in mind that Detroit got rid of Mike Martz and his 'leave 5 guys in to block 6 rushers' schemes, and drafted an OL in the first round, so their sack numbers should go down this year. They still may be bottom 10, but probably closer to 22 than 32.For the same reason, I expect the defenses facing SF to rack up the sacks big time next year.

 
1. Lions - based on what I've seen this may be the worst run blocking unit I have seen in a long time, pass blocking's better...but not by much - Kitna's routinely having to run for his life - again

2. Chiefs - I thought they were the worst in the league...then I watched the Lions

3. Bears - St Clair is their starting LT, that is all

4. Ravens - Ogden's best days were long behind him but his replacements have spent more camp time in the training room than on the field

5. Niners - poor line gets worse with losses of Smiley + Allen, as OP said, Staley's key for if this unit's at least average in 08

6. Falcons - can't trust a team with one year experience combined from the left side of the line

7. Steelers - possibly the worst pass blocking unit in the league last year - Big Ben was routinely running for his life - and run blocking was only marginally better

8. Rams - injuries played a big part in a poor 07 and they're already starting to add up again, they're on the list until proven otherwise

9. Vikings - over rated outside of Hutch...they're good enough of a run blocking unit to argue for them to be off the list but their pass blocking is absolutely pathetic - losing McKinnie for 4 games should hurt the run game but it may actually help the passing game

10. Jets - over rated...they were very bad in 07, D'Brickshaw has not lived up to the hype, Faneca is way past his prime, and Woody is not good.

I think Washington will be better than the OP gave them credit for, they were decimated with injuries last year...and, yes, I expect a lot of "you're crazy's" for my units ranked 9th and 10th. I anxiously await. :mellow:

 
Atlanta's oline will be better than last year. Baker is a huge upgrade at LT. Coaching all around is better. Not saying it'll be like Cleveland's turnaround from last year, but I think a lot of people will be surprised at how much improved they are.

 
Washington and Arizona are definitely not bottom 10. They had respectable sack rates(Kurt Warner had the lowest sack rate of his career by a fair margin) and their yards/carry were deflated by plodding RBs who never broke long runs.

 
The following is Chris1969's analysis of this year's Steelers O-line (which he ranks dead last). He ranks them 28th vs. the run and 32nd at pass blocking. His O-line analysis is some of the most detailed I've ever seen so when he talks, I listen. Here's his comments below:

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My comments

Run Imp Pass Imp Cohesion Depth Inj Risk Over 30

-1 -1 3 2 2 1

I seriously don't like any starter on this o-line. I'm a Brown's fan, so I realize I might have a clouded judgement. So I have went over and over each position to make sure my homerism is not effecting my accuracy. I still don't like any starter on this line. Marvel Smith is probably the best lineman, but he's a RT playing LT. He had back issues last year that shortened his season. Kemoeatu is a pretty good run blocker, but wears cement shoes in the passing game. The Steelers were pretty dissappointing with Mahan in the passing game last year, so they went out and got his twin brother in Hartwig. Both guys will get pushed into the backfield by the massive 3-4 NT's in the AFC North. I think Hartwig is a little better run blocker, so I'll give him the nod. The Steelers should seriously think about calling LeCharles Bentley. Kendall Simmons was an average starter that took a step back last season. Max Starks may get his job back this year. Colon wasn't any better and given his alligator arms may be more suited to guard. My Steeler fan friends keep telling me that Faneca was expendable because his pass blocking was going downhill. Faneca would be head and shoulders above anybody else on the current line in pass blocking. Another sad thing to think about… The line was relatively healthy last year.

 
KevT said:
Atlanta's oline will be better than last year. Baker is a huge upgrade at LT. Coaching all around is better. Not saying it'll be like Cleveland's turnaround from last year, but I think a lot of people will be surprised at how much improved they are.
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I find it hard to believe any rookie LT can be considered an upgrade...not now anyway. Not many rookie LT's come into the league and dominate like Joe Thomas, more of them come in and play like D'Brickshaw Ferguson than Joe T. a lot more. He could prove me wrong but the odds are stacked heavily against him.
 
FantasyTrader said:
The following is Chris1969's analysis of this year's Steelers O-line (which he ranks dead last). He ranks them 28th vs. the run and 32nd at pass blocking. His O-line analysis is some of the most detailed I've ever seen so when he talks, I listen. Here's his comments below:---------------------------------------------------------------------------------My comments Run Imp Pass Imp Cohesion Depth Inj Risk Over 30 -1 -1 3 2 2 1I seriously don't like any starter on this o-line. I'm a Brown's fan, so I realize I might have a clouded judgement. So I have went over and over each position to make sure my homerism is not effecting my accuracy. I still don't like any starter on this line. Marvel Smith is probably the best lineman, but he's a RT playing LT. He had back issues last year that shortened his season. Kemoeatu is a pretty good run blocker, but wears cement shoes in the passing game. The Steelers were pretty dissappointing with Mahan in the passing game last year, so they went out and got his twin brother in Hartwig. Both guys will get pushed into the backfield by the massive 3-4 NT's in the AFC North. I think Hartwig is a little better run blocker, so I'll give him the nod. The Steelers should seriously think about calling LeCharles Bentley. Kendall Simmons was an average starter that took a step back last season. Max Starks may get his job back this year. Colon wasn't any better and given his alligator arms may be more suited to guard. My Steeler fan friends keep telling me that Faneca was expendable because his pass blocking was going downhill. Faneca would be head and shoulders above anybody else on the current line in pass blocking. Another sad thing to think about… The line was relatively healthy last year.
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The Steelers o-line is certainly not the team's strong points but I have the following comments to your post:1) The Steelers won the Super Bowl with a Marvel Smith at LT, Simmons at RG and Starks at RT. Starks is backing up Colon so I assume the Steelers caoching staff think he is the better player. I haven't noticed a drop off on Simmons and Smith was battling back injuries last year until he finally went on IR.2) Faneca's may have been the Steelers best lineman but his pass protection WAS going downhill. He was still a great run blocker but overall I am not sure Kemeatou is much of a downgrade at this point of Faneca's career.3) Mahan was a mess at center last year. Hartwig is no Mike Webster but I wouldn't call him Mahan's twin brother. Hartwig is bigger and stronger and has more experience at center than Mahan. This has got to be an upgrade from last year.4) The o-line was not healthy last year, especially at LT. By the end of the season the Steelers were down to their 3rd string LT. Last season the Steelers were 3rd in the NFL in rushing and Roethlisberger had a career year. They certainly aren't an elite offensive line but I am not so sure they belong in the botton 10 either.
 
Godsbrother said:
FantasyTrader said:
The following is Chris1969's analysis of this year's Steelers O-line (which he ranks dead last). He ranks them 28th vs. the run and 32nd at pass blocking. His O-line analysis is some of the most detailed I've ever seen so when he talks, I listen. Here's his comments below:---------------------------------------------------------------------------------My comments Run Imp Pass Imp Cohesion Depth Inj Risk Over 30 -1 -1 3 2 2 1I seriously don't like any starter on this o-line. I'm a Brown's fan, so I realize I might have a clouded judgement. So I have went over and over each position to make sure my homerism is not effecting my accuracy. I still don't like any starter on this line. Marvel Smith is probably the best lineman, but he's a RT playing LT. He had back issues last year that shortened his season. Kemoeatu is a pretty good run blocker, but wears cement shoes in the passing game. The Steelers were pretty dissappointing with Mahan in the passing game last year, so they went out and got his twin brother in Hartwig. Both guys will get pushed into the backfield by the massive 3-4 NT's in the AFC North. I think Hartwig is a little better run blocker, so I'll give him the nod. The Steelers should seriously think about calling LeCharles Bentley. Kendall Simmons was an average starter that took a step back last season. Max Starks may get his job back this year. Colon wasn't any better and given his alligator arms may be more suited to guard. My Steeler fan friends keep telling me that Faneca was expendable because his pass blocking was going downhill. Faneca would be head and shoulders above anybody else on the current line in pass blocking. Another sad thing to think about… The line was relatively healthy last year.
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The Steelers o-line is certainly not the team's strong points but I have the following comments to your post:1) The Steelers won the Super Bowl with a Marvel Smith at LT, Simmons at RG and Starks at RT. Starks is backing up Colon so I assume the Steelers caoching staff think he is the better player. I haven't noticed a drop off on Simmons and Smith was battling back injuries last year until he finally went on IR.2) Faneca's may have been the Steelers best lineman but his pass protection WAS going downhill. He was still a great run blocker but overall I am not sure Kemeatou is much of a downgrade at this point of Faneca's career.3) Mahan was a mess at center last year. Hartwig is no Mike Webster but I wouldn't call him Mahan's twin brother. Hartwig is bigger and stronger and has more experience at center than Mahan. This has got to be an upgrade from last year.4) The o-line was not healthy last year, especially at LT. By the end of the season the Steelers were down to their 3rd string LT. Last season the Steelers were 3rd in the NFL in rushing and Roethlisberger had a career year. They certainly aren't an elite offensive line but I am not so sure they belong in the botton 10 either.
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:confused: Both are good popstings but I still don't see the Steelers OL being worse then last year.
 
[For the same reason, I expect the defenses facing SF to rack up the sacks big time next year.
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I know pre-season doesnt mean anything, but the O-line in SF has only givin up 2 sacks in the 3 games they have played. 1 of those sacks was a coverage sack. Losing Larry Allen does not necessarily have to hurt. His best years behind him, it often times appeared that he didnt really care. Now one thing that will certainly make this line better is the absence of Kwame Harris who was just terrible.
 
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