Vince Young out 2-4 Weeks (1 Viewer)

Andy Herron said:

Big deal. They're better off with Kerry Collins in there anyway.

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Andy Herron said:

Big deal. They're better off with Kerry Collins in there anyway.

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Avery said:

Andy Herron said:

Big deal. They're better off with Kerry Collins in there anyway.

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This isn't a Titans fan site but a fantasy football website after all so although I doubt many were staking their season on Young, it is important information to many here.

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Mimo said:

This will help the running game even more

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Andy Herron said:

Avery said:

Andy Herron said:

Big deal. They're better off with Kerry Collins in there anyway.

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This isn't a Titans fan site but a fantasy football website after all so although I doubt many were staking their season on Young, it is important information to many here.

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Ya, exactly. They'll now have a passing game to go along with their running game.

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Mimo said:

This will help the running game even more

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FavreCo said:

Mimo said:

This will help the running game even more

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It helps everything about this team offensively. WR's are actually worth something in FF. Collins will throw some bad passes but he still infinately better than Mr. INT Vinnie Young.

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massraider said:

Mimo said:

This will help the running game even more

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Really?

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Mimo said:

massraider said:

Mimo said:

This will help the running game even more

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Really?

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Yep......VY was and is inept as a QB. Collins being back there will open things up offensively. You will now see more deep balls and play action will actually work now. That offense was probably seeing 8 in the box quite often.

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Andy Herron said:

FavreCo said:

Mimo said:

This will help the running game even more

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It helps everything about this team offensively. WR's are actually worth something in FF. Collins will throw some bad passes but he still infinately better than Mr. INT Vinnie Young.

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OMG, while I'm sure there will be people jumping all over me, but this could very well be the beginning of the end for Vince Young in Tennessee...or anywhere else for that matter. Kerry Collins at least has the ability to connect with his receivers downfield. ANY receivers. When Young is ready to come back, his futility will be that much more evident. Mark my words.

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Sideline incident raises more concerns about Young

Went to a football game on Sunday and a soap opera broke out.

Welcome to Titans ’08. If the game is dull, just focus on the sideline. That’s where the real drama unfolds.

It took only one game — a victory over Jacksonville, no less — for the season to take a strange turn. This team has issues at quarterback, be it a tight hamstring, a sprained knee, a bruised ego, a bad attitude or all of the above.

Frankly, it’s hard to see the Titans taking flight if Vince Young doesn’t get his act together — physically and emotionally. Playing great defense is one thing; having to constantly defend your quarterback is another.

By now you know the score: For whatever reason, Young appeared unwilling to take the field midway through the fourth quarter on Sunday afternoon following his second interception and a resulting cascade of boos from the fans at LP Field.

Eventually, he re-entered the game, only to suffer a knee injury four plays later. His day was done. But the real story was just beginning.

We’ll never know exactly what happened. Titans Coach Jeff Fisher immediately shifted into damage control. Young’s teammates were guarded in their answers to questions about the quarterback.

As for Young, he was observed in the locker room on crutches more than an hour after game’s end but left without speaking to reporters.

Mum’s the word.

But there was no hiding the chaos when Young failed to join the rest of the offense on the field with 5:57 remaining and the Titans clinging to a 10-7 lead.

As we piece the story together, it appears that Young began to experience some tightness in his hamstring after a short pass to his right was intercepted by Jacksonville defensive end Derrick Harvey.

Proper sideline protocol is for the player to notify a trainer about an injury, no matter if it’s a tight hamstring or a severed limb. That way, he can get immediate treatment and the coaches are made aware of the situation and can prepare accordingly.

But after throwing the interception and being roundly booed, Young went to the bench and sat down. No medical personnel were summoned.

When the defense forced a punt three plays later and the offense returned to the field, Young was AWOL.

That’s when things grew frantic. It’s hard to run a play without a quarterback.

“I came on the field and 10 wasn’t in the huddle,” said center Kevin Mawae. “I didn’t know what the situation was.”

Fisher then made a beeline to Young, standing several yards away.

After the game, Fisher recalled that his conversation with Young centered solely on the quarterback’s hamstring.

“He said, ‘It’s tight,’ and I said, ‘If it’s tight, we’ll go with Kerry,’ and try to talk him back into it and he felt good,” Fisher said.

But considering how animated Fisher appeared as he talked with Young, it’s hard to believe some other matters weren’t discussed. From the outside looking in, Fisher seemed to all but throw Young back onto the field.

But it’s no surprise that Fisher soft-pedaled this in the post-game interview. In two seasons, he always has been overly protective of his quarterback. It doesn’t appear things are changing in Year 3.

It’s time to get with the program. Young has to grow out of this. Sulking is no longer an option.

This is the toughest part of the learning curve for Young. At the University of Texas, he could do no wrong. The NFL is a different matter.

Titans safety Michael Griffin, who was Young’s teammate at Texas, gets it.

“Hey, fans are going to be fans. Boos are going to happen,” Griffin said. “Everybody has their opinions.”

Yes they do. And opinions are beginning to change where Vince Young is concerned. He made believers when he was NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year in 2006. Despite some slippage last season, he quarterbacked the Titans to the playoffs.

But with a lousy preseason and the ugly residue of the season-opener, Young now has some catching-up to do. His teammates still voice their support in interviews but you can sense some concerns creeping into the locker room.

“Part of playing quarterback in this league is the ups and downs,” said Kerry Collins, who finished what Young started. “For a young guy, it’s a hard thing to learn sometimes. It’s not easy.

“There are times when you’re going to get booed. There are times when things aren’t going the way you want it to go. You’ve got to fight through it, and I believe he will. It’s just part of the whole process. No quarterback has ever been immune to it.”

Sounds like the real drama is just beginning.

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falconeyed said:

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You. I want to hear from you. After that Rose Bowl a few years ago, you had Vince Young as basically re-writing all of the records books.

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Memphis Foundry said:

Interesting story in The Tennessean basically saying that Young and Jeff Fisher got into it on the sidelines after VY tried to take himself out of the game. This was a few plays before he was injured.

Sideline incident raises more concerns about Young

Went to a football game on Sunday and a soap opera broke out.

Welcome to Titans ’08. If the game is dull, just focus on the sideline. That’s where the real drama unfolds.

It took only one game — a victory over Jacksonville, no less — for the season to take a strange turn. This team has issues at quarterback, be it a tight hamstring, a sprained knee, a bruised ego, a bad attitude or all of the above.

Frankly, it’s hard to see the Titans taking flight if Vince Young doesn’t get his act together — physically and emotionally. Playing great defense is one thing; having to constantly defend your quarterback is another.

By now you know the score: For whatever reason, Young appeared unwilling to take the field midway through the fourth quarter on Sunday afternoon following his second interception and a resulting cascade of boos from the fans at LP Field.

Eventually, he re-entered the game, only to suffer a knee injury four plays later. His day was done. But the real story was just beginning.

We’ll never know exactly what happened. Titans Coach Jeff Fisher immediately shifted into damage control. Young’s teammates were guarded in their answers to questions about the quarterback.

As for Young, he was observed in the locker room on crutches more than an hour after game’s end but left without speaking to reporters.

Mum’s the word.

But there was no hiding the chaos when Young failed to join the rest of the offense on the field with 5:57 remaining and the Titans clinging to a 10-7 lead.

As we piece the story together, it appears that Young began to experience some tightness in his hamstring after a short pass to his right was intercepted by Jacksonville defensive end Derrick Harvey.

Proper sideline protocol is for the player to notify a trainer about an injury, no matter if it’s a tight hamstring or a severed limb. That way, he can get immediate treatment and the coaches are made aware of the situation and can prepare accordingly.

But after throwing the interception and being roundly booed, Young went to the bench and sat down. No medical personnel were summoned.

When the defense forced a punt three plays later and the offense returned to the field, Young was AWOL.

That’s when things grew frantic. It’s hard to run a play without a quarterback.

“I came on the field and 10 wasn’t in the huddle,” said center Kevin Mawae. “I didn’t know what the situation was.”

Fisher then made a beeline to Young, standing several yards away.

After the game, Fisher recalled that his conversation with Young centered solely on the quarterback’s hamstring.

“He said, ‘It’s tight,’ and I said, ‘If it’s tight, we’ll go with Kerry,’ and try to talk him back into it and he felt good,” Fisher said.

But considering how animated Fisher appeared as he talked with Young, it’s hard to believe some other matters weren’t discussed. From the outside looking in, Fisher seemed to all but throw Young back onto the field.

But it’s no surprise that Fisher soft-pedaled this in the post-game interview. In two seasons, he always has been overly protective of his quarterback. It doesn’t appear things are changing in Year 3.

It’s time to get with the program. Young has to grow out of this. Sulking is no longer an option.

This is the toughest part of the learning curve for Young. At the University of Texas, he could do no wrong. The NFL is a different matter.

Titans safety Michael Griffin, who was Young’s teammate at Texas, gets it.

“Hey, fans are going to be fans. Boos are going to happen,” Griffin said. “Everybody has their opinions.”

Yes they do. And opinions are beginning to change where Vince Young is concerned. He made believers when he was NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year in 2006. Despite some slippage last season, he quarterbacked the Titans to the playoffs.

But with a lousy preseason and the ugly residue of the season-opener, Young now has some catching-up to do. His teammates still voice their support in interviews but you can sense some concerns creeping into the locker room.

“Part of playing quarterback in this league is the ups and downs,” said Kerry Collins, who finished what Young started. “For a young guy, it’s a hard thing to learn sometimes. It’s not easy.

“There are times when you’re going to get booed. There are times when things aren’t going the way you want it to go. You’ve got to fight through it, and I believe he will. It’s just part of the whole process. No quarterback has ever been immune to it.”

Sounds like the real drama is just beginning.

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Link:http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...2/80907012/1027

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the hairy scotsman said:

falconeyed said:

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You. I want to hear from you. After that Rose Bowl a few years ago, you had Vince Young as basically re-writing all of the records books.

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Ahhh...really?Care to quote me on that?

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There's nary an animal alive that can outrun a greased Vince Young!

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Lehigh98 said:

the hairy scotsman said:

falconeyed said:

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You. I want to hear from you. After that Rose Bowl a few years ago, you had Vince Young as basically re-writing all of the records books.

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Ahhh...really?Care to quote me on that?

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There's nary an animal alive that can outrun a greased Vince Young!

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the hairy scotsman said:

falconeyed said:

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You. I want to hear from you. After that Rose Bowl a few years ago, you had Vince Young as basically re-writing all of the records books.

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Ahhh...really?Care to quote me on that?

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NorrisB said:

This will go down as the worst bloom call of all time

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Sigmund Bloom said:

NorrisB said:

This will go down as the worst bloom call of all time

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guilty as charged. His ability to will himself and his team to success is contingent on it being something that comes naturally. When he has to get through major adversity, he folds. I completely misread VY spiritually and emotionally.

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Sigmund Bloom said:

NorrisB said:

This will go down as the worst bloom call of all time

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guilty as charged. His ability to will himself and his team to success is contingent on it being something that comes naturally. When he has to get through major adversity, he folds. I completely misread VY spiritually and emotionally.

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I would never have posted this but somehow the media has it so I will confirm it is true. Harsh words between Vince and Heimerdinger over his play and DInger said he'd put Kerry in. Vince said "Go ahead" and took his helmet off. Jeff came over and cursed him out so he went back in. Got hurt a few plays later

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falconeyed said:

the hairy scotsman said:

falconeyed said:

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You. I want to hear from you. After that Rose Bowl a few years ago, you had Vince Young as basically re-writing all of the records books.

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Ahhh...really?Care to quote me on that?

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1 - Post #34 - Implying that Phil Simms is an idiot for not recognizing the obvious greatness that is Vince Young.I see a lot of back and forth about Young there, but nothing akin to "VY will basically re-write all of the records books". Where was that again? BTW, you probably didn't notice in that thread where I said he wasn't ready to start, & needed to be a backup and just learn...or you probably did, but that wouldn't support your idiotic premise.

2 - Post #6 - Implying that drafting VY = Championship team.

LOL. I guess you never bothered to read the articles linked. If you had, you'd probably understand that the reference was to Houston Chronicle sportswriter John McLain maybe not being that over the top because he was cautioning Houston fans not to think the team was necessarily going to draft the guy they wanted them to.

3 - Post #24 - I guess VY is the only QB in history that can allegedly go through all his progressions and then take off running.

OK, you get that from this? " He went through all of his reads unless under a heavy rush, which was rare due to his excellent protection. THEN, if nobody was open he'd go, because he, unlike most other QBs, has that ability."

Seriously? Stretch much? Did you notice the qualifiers in there, like UNLESS and MOST? It's not like I said the guy invented the concept of the mobile qb.

4 - Post #38 - VY = Roger Staubach. An insult to Staubach, the Navy, the Cowboys and Canton.

It was an honest opinion. Too bad if you don't like it. It was just a reflection of his style and the way he'd been used up to that point. His style reminded me of Staubach's. Perhaps you missed the end of the thread, though...

cstu: "I just hope you aren't thinking that VY will light the league on fire in his first couple years.

me: "Nope.

Never said that.

In fact, I hope he's not even in a position to do so. I want him to sit one or two years. Almost any qb who is thrown to the wolves is in for trouble."

I'm a huge fan of Staubach's and was an alternate to attend the USNA. You think I've insulted the Naval Academy or Staubach or Canton with an offhand internet comment? That's pretty stupid.

5 - Post #8 - Your VY NFL love affair is openly commented on by others.

I opened that thread with "I'm not saying he's ready to start. I never say that about any rookie QB. I don't think these guys are saying that either. Every rookie QB has his place...on the pine." It was about some ex-pros' and other analysts' thoughts on VY's readiness for the pros. What does that have to do with "breaking records"? Still looking for that.

6 - Post #54 - OK, so I guess VY isn't in prison.

Still looking.

I could go on. Also, you're damned lucky that Rose Bowl thread didn't survive the purge. I'm willing to give up some of that Rose Bowl thread on the grounds that your blood was up after the game. But come on.

I'm so lucky? Really? Ooooh...Easy there, Francis.

I don't remember a post Rose Bowl thread...honestly. I remember the pre-Rose Bowl thread...the one where everyone was telling me what an idiot I was for daring to even suggest it would be a good game, and that both teams would score a lot of points, which was all I suggested. They told me what an even bigger idiot I was when I told them specifically how Texas would score on USC.

So I ask you again.

You asked me something before?

Funny...I only remember you calling me out with baseless accusations while I minded my own business.

Explain why potential > reality with Vince Young.

Well, gee whiz, since you asked so nicely...obviously VY's not playing well right now, and appears to need some work on his outlook at this point. Anyone can see that. He's learning a new system and has very poor wr talent surrounding him (McCareins...starter...cut by the Jets...dropped a deep ball today that hit him in the hands). Anyone who's being honest can see that. They drop lots of easy balls, don't make plays on balls that most NFL wrs would, and don't consistently adjust their routes on blitzes. Of course he threw some bad balls today, but that first INT was on a blitz, and the safety was able to get under the route because it was not broken off. However, he had a couple of nice deep balls flat out dropped today, and on the play where he hurt his knee Scaife dropped one right in his hands that was a big gainer. He had two people deep between him and a TD.

They aren't playing to his strengths or diminishing his weaknesses, yet, but I think Dinger knows this,and is moving to fix it. Obviously, Young's not a prototype NFL QB, but his game can be very effective if you let him play it. If the field is not opened up with deep threats that can also block downfield when called upon, his effectiveness can be reduced tremendously. If the defense knows that the Titans receiver corps is so bad that the field is always 20 yards deep, they can shut Young down...but couldn't you say that about most qbs?

Sometimes he has an average day and the wrs make it look bad. Sometimes they make his bad day look awful or his good day look average. When, though, have they made a bad day look average, an average day look good, or a good day look great for VY? Indeed, his qbs almost always degrade people's perception of Young's performance, no matter what kind of day he actually had. They take it down another notch, not up. How many qbs in the NFL so rarely get a lift from their receivers?

Sure, I've defended the guy, and he's played great at times (ROY... musta done something right) and badly at times. Obviously, he still has to prove himself at this level, but I think it's easy for a lot of people to forget this is just the 1st game of his third year and that he got only 3 games of pine time before being named the starter. Here's the thing, though...the thing I've never understood...something about this guy pisses off his detractors intensely, even when he was doing well his rookie year. Even in college. I just don't get it.

At any rate, Young got booed at Texas, too, before getting it all turned around. I know one thing. I won't count him out.

Oh yeah, in six the six threads you dug up I never saw that "breaking records" quote either, Captain Hyperbole. If anything, you only disproved your own point.

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benm3218 said:

I honestly think things may be a bit better for now with Collins in there... Also, for all the VY bashing lets notice how badly the favorite JAGS were trounced. Titans could go deep in playoffs with this run game and defense.

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