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Pierre Thomas #2 in NO? (1 Viewer)
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Deuce'sWild
Footballguy
Deuce is still recovering I believe, but Thomas looked very good.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Not really news to me.
But you may want to let afro samurai know.
But you may want to let afro samurai know.
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Afro Samurai
Footballguy
BigSteel, you are being very juvenile lately. If you have some sort of problem with me, take it up through private message and stop being an ### all over the boards.
Having said that, Rotoworld has no idea why Deuce was held out, all they're doing is making an observation based on what they can see from one single game. If we're going to make observations based on one game, then Michael Turner is on pace to run for 3000 yards this year and Carson Palmer is the worst QB in the league.
Having said that, Rotoworld has no idea why Deuce was held out, all they're doing is making an observation based on what they can see from one single game. If we're going to make observations based on one game, then Michael Turner is on pace to run for 3000 yards this year and Carson Palmer is the worst QB in the league.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
I was just having some fun hackin' on you.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
He plays on one of the best offenses in the league and got 12 touches yesterday. He did well with those 12 touches against a tough defense as well. I don't know if he has been handed the goal line duties though. Didn't see that situation yesterday as far as I know. If he is the goal line back his upside may be 2006 Deuce.
If anything happens to Bush this year, Thomas could be gold. For right now though, decent RB3.
If anything happens to Bush this year, Thomas could be gold. For right now though, decent RB3.
ATC1
Footballguy
Meachem was inactive. Deuce and Mike Mekenzie did not start despite all three looking good during the preseason.
Very strange to me that they would not be playing against the defending South division champions. There was not report of a digression in their rehab at all from what I see.
Very strange to me that they would not be playing against the defending South division champions. There was not report of a digression in their rehab at all from what I see.
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TheArchitect
Footballguy
Who do you think is in a better situation: Thomas or Ray Rice?
Afro Samurai
Footballguy
Seems like this is becoming a pattern with you, but by all means, have your fun.I've never been stalked before (well, at least not in the SP). Should be interesting.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
I'm a big fan of both situations and players.I dont think Bush could ever be displaced in the NO offense - not so sure about McGahee.Who do you think is in a better situation: Thomas or Ray Rice?
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
In the Deuce/Thomas thread... you directed conversation at me initially.Seems like this is becoming a pattern with you, but by all means, have your fun.I've never been stalked before (well, at least not in the SP). Should be interesting.
TheArchitect
Footballguy
How much of a threat is LaRon MacClain to Ray Rice's status as the heir apparent to McGahee? Regardless, seems like Pierre already has both Bush and Stecker (goal line) to contend with, even if Deuce is done. Do you think Rice will have value even if McGahee returns?
16-team IDP Re-draft league
PaTDs, RuTDs, ReTDs = 6pts
25 PaYds = 1pt (3pt bonus @ 300yds)
10 RuYds = 1pt (3pt bonus @ 100yds)
15 ReYds = 1pt (3pt bonus @ 100yds)
PPR = 0.5pt
TK = 1.5pts
SACK = 4pts
INT = 4pts
QB - Hasselbeck, Bulger
RB - AP, MJD, Jon Stewart, Ray Rice
WR - Bowe, Burleson, Chambers, Reggie Brown
TE - Gates, Daniels
K - Folk
DST - Jags
DL - Dumervil, Lawrence Jackson
LB - David Harris, Mike Peterson, Channing Crowder, David Thornton
DB - Sean Jones, Roman Harper, Yeremiah Bell
16-team IDP Re-draft league
PaTDs, RuTDs, ReTDs = 6pts
25 PaYds = 1pt (3pt bonus @ 300yds)
10 RuYds = 1pt (3pt bonus @ 100yds)
15 ReYds = 1pt (3pt bonus @ 100yds)
PPR = 0.5pt
TK = 1.5pts
SACK = 4pts
INT = 4pts
QB - Hasselbeck, Bulger
RB - AP, MJD, Jon Stewart, Ray Rice
WR - Bowe, Burleson, Chambers, Reggie Brown
TE - Gates, Daniels
K - Folk
DST - Jags
DL - Dumervil, Lawrence Jackson
LB - David Harris, Mike Peterson, Channing Crowder, David Thornton
DB - Sean Jones, Roman Harper, Yeremiah Bell
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
McClain serves a serious purpose because of Rice diminuitive size.But... if they decide to go with Rice at some point, it behooves them to have another capable running back in the fold, because McGahee may become an issue and then dealt/cut. So McClain is a positive sign for Rice in my estimation, provided Rice doesnt falter.
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saintfool
Dead sexy
According to some of the comments from the T-P writers, they're just being really cautious with both Deuce and McKenzie. They said something to the effect that "deuce didn't have a good week in practice". fair enough.I don't think the fans could have handled Deuce going into the game - against the hated Bucs - and him re-injuring himself on the very first game of the year. It would have felt like last year - too deflating, demoralizing - all over again.Deuce will be itching to play next week. I expect him to get some playing time against a less imposing team.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Saints RB Thomas Injured In Week 1 Game
NewOrleansSaints.com - [Full Article]
New Orleans Saints running back Pierre Thomas sustained an unspecified injury during the team's Week 1 game. No additional information is currently available.
Anyone have the info on this?
NewOrleansSaints.com - [Full Article]
New Orleans Saints running back Pierre Thomas sustained an unspecified injury during the team's Week 1 game. No additional information is currently available.
Anyone have the info on this?
per rotoworld.com
Coach Sean Payton revealed that Pierre Thomas came out of the Saints' Week 1 game with a few small injuries, but shouldn't miss any practice time.
Payton said Thomas' ankle was dinged, but he should play extensively again at Washington. Perhaps he'll be probable on the injury report. Thomas appears to have emerged as the team's No. 2 back, ahead of Deuce McAllister.
Coach Sean Payton revealed that Pierre Thomas came out of the Saints' Week 1 game with a few small injuries, but shouldn't miss any practice time.
Payton said Thomas' ankle was dinged, but he should play extensively again at Washington. Perhaps he'll be probable on the injury report. Thomas appears to have emerged as the team's No. 2 back, ahead of Deuce McAllister.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Would you rather have Thomas or Duece at this point?
Thomas and its not even close - from my vantage point.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
Don't know what is so funny, it was a serious question. I know Duece didn't play this week, but what about next and the rest of the year ?Would you rather have Thomas or Duece at this point?Thomas and its not even close - from my vantage point.
Black
Footballguy
Is MacClain the FB?
saintfool
Dead sexy
because sean payton is a poor man's belichek?
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Sorry about that sherriff, its an "inside" joke on this very subject. With me and afro.And I thought it was very funny that it got brought up again, with me and afro around...Don't know what is so funny, it was a serious question. I know Duece didn't play this week, but what about next and the rest of the year ?Would you rather have Thomas or Duece at this point?
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...51&hl=Deuce
And on topic, I think its quite possible that Deuce will be given a fair shot to perform.
He has earned his stripes and his keep. He is bigger then the others and more experienced.
He has performed at rushing levels previously that the other have not...
but I think he is done for the most part. I compared him to Rudi Johnson in the other thread.
I also think Pierre is a talented runner who will perform when given the opprotunity. Like yesterday.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
No problem, thank BSTSorry about that sherriff, its an "inside" joke on this very subject. With me and afro.And I thought it was very funny that it got brought up again, with me and afro around...Don't know what is so funny, it was a serious question. I know Duece didn't play this week, but what about next and the rest of the year ?Would you rather have Thomas or Duece at this point?
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...51&hl=Deuce
And on topic, I think its quite possible that Deuce will be given a fair shot to perform.
He has earned his stripes and his keep. He is bigger then the others and more experienced.
He has performed at rushing levels previously that the other have not...
but I think he is done for the most part. I compared him to Rudi Johnson in the other thread.
I also think Pierre is a talented runner who will perform when given the opprotunity. Like yesterday.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Several people had Pierre above Deuce. The majority may have had it the other way, but I think they were "being safe" and just looking at a depth chart or coach speak... and not the situation and circumstances.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
yesnoHe can play both, apparently.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
I have Deuce as my 6th RB, don't know if I should ccut him and pickup Thomas
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Keeper-Dynasty? Assuredly.I have Deuce as my 6th RB, don't know if I should ccut him and pickup Thomas
Sheriff66
Footballguy
It is a keeper leagueKeeper-Dynasty? Assuredly.I have Deuce as my 6th RB, don't know if I should cut him and pickup Thomas
IM666
Footballguy
Not sure if it helps you at all, but I have a situation somewhat similar to yours. I picked up McAllister last year after his injury forced an owner to cut him. I always have an extra roster space for another RB.While deciding if I should keep him on my roster this year, I read a comment by Jeff Haseley suggesting to grab these two RBs and wait it out. One would provide a nice RB3 once the season wore on. So, I have McAllister, Thomas, and Stecker as my RB7, RB8, and RB9. If you have the space, pick Thomas off and see what happens. I don’t know what I am doing, but Jeff certainly does.I have Deuce as my 6th RB, don't know if I should ccut him and pickup Thomas
Sheriff66
Footballguy
Not sure if it helps you at all, but I have a situation somewhat similar to yours. I picked up McAllister last year after his injury forced an owner to cut him. I always have an extra roster space for another RB.While deciding if I should keep him on my roster this year, I read a comment by Jeff Haseley suggesting to grab these two RBs and wait it out. One would provide a nice RB3 once the season wore on. So, I have McAllister, Thomas, and Stecker as my RB7, RB8, and RB9. If you have the space, pick Thomas off and see what happens. I don’t know what I am doing, but Jeff certainly does.I have Deuce as my 6th RB, don't know if I should ccut him and pickup Thomas
Thanks for the info
az_prof
Footballguy
This is a very fluid situation and difficult to predict. Thomas has played well in two games now. Deuce has done some great things but is getting old and obviously is not over his injury yet. Truly, the fact that he even made it back and played in preseason is surprising given his age and previous knee injuries. I suspect though that this season Deuce will be given another chance to win his job back when he is fully healthy, whether that is week 2 or week 4. I think when he gets his chance Deuce will do well. How long Deuce can stay healthy again is my biggest concern. My gut feeling is not long. I wouldn't trade Pierre for Deuce in a dynasty; in a redraft, it's a toss up.
LessThanZero
Footballguy
Deuce will probably get his chance. Personally, I don't think he'll do well enough to keep the job long; if he does, you still have to be concerned how long he stays healthy. I'd be very surprised if he's getting more than a few carries a game past week 8-10. Given that even if he stays healthy, and if he can still perform well, he's still up there in age and splitting carries with Bush; his keeper/dynasty value is very very low right now.Thomas is definitely worth a flier, particularly in dynasty. He's a little small for a RB, but not out of reasonable range. He's performed very well thus far in the #2 spot. Being the complementary back to Reggie Bush on a pass-first Saints offense doesn't have the highest of upside, but he could end up as a very nice flex/bye-week filler. My main concern with Thomas is that if he does hold off Deuce, do they consider drafting a blue chip, bruising goal-line back in the draft next year? It's not unheard of for teams to trust in diamond-in-the-rough RBs (Ryan Grant, Earnest Graham), but since he isn't quite as complementary to Bush's style as Deuce was, I'm still not counting on him to be worth much past this year unless he continues to produce as well as he has in the two games we've seen him.
gianmarco
Footballguy
5'11 and 215 looks good to me (not to mention he looks a little bigger to me than last year and wouldn't be surprised if he's really closer to 220)
Thomas is definitely worth a flier, particularly in dynasty. He's a little small for a RB, but not out of reasonable range. He's performed very well thus far in the #2 spot. Being the complementary back to Reggie Bush on a pass-first Saints offense doesn't have the highest of upside, but he could end up as a very nice flex/bye-week filler. My main concern with Thomas is that if he does hold off Deuce, do they consider drafting a blue chip, bruising goal-line back in the draft next year? It's not unheard of for teams to trust in diamond-in-the-rough RBs (Ryan Grant, Earnest Graham), but since he isn't quite as complementary to Bush's style as Deuce was, I'm still not counting on him to be worth much past this year unless he continues to produce as well as he has in the two games we've seen him.
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the spanker
Footballguy
I agree. I have no idea what this other guy is talking about.gianmarco said:5'11 and 215 looks good to me (not to mention he looks a little bigger to me than last year and wouldn't be surprised if he's really closer to 220)LessThanZero said:Deuce will probably get his chance. Personally, I don't think he'll do well enough to keep the job long; if he does, you still have to be concerned how long he stays healthy. I'd be very surprised if he's getting more than a few carries a game past week 8-10. Given that even if he stays healthy, and if he can still perform well, he's still up there in age and splitting carries with Bush; his keeper/dynasty value is very very low right now.
Thomas is definitely worth a flier, particularly in dynasty. He's a little small for a RB, but not out of reasonable range. He's performed very well thus far in the #2 spot. Being the complementary back to Reggie Bush on a pass-first Saints offense doesn't have the highest of upside, but he could end up as a very nice flex/bye-week filler. My main concern with Thomas is that if he does hold off Deuce, do they consider drafting a blue chip, bruising goal-line back in the draft next year? It's not unheard of for teams to trust in diamond-in-the-rough RBs (Ryan Grant, Earnest Graham), but since he isn't quite as complementary to Bush's style as Deuce was, I'm still not counting on him to be worth much past this year unless he continues to produce as well as he has in the two games we've seen him.
gianmarco
Footballguy
fixed. And the answer is yes.
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Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
Thomas got a lot of time week 1 mostly because Stecker's injury. Thomas is a good player and probably should get more playing time, but I'd guess Steck will play more than him for the upcoming weeks.
Afro Samurai
Footballguy
This is a good point. Stecker is a solid runner and is much more dependable when it comes to the the little things (blitz pickup and so on) than either Thomas or Bush.If Deuce can't play much this season, you'll probably see Stecker/Thomas splitting those carries 60/40.
LessThanZero
Footballguy
I said a little small. I wasn't calling him Warrick Dunn or anything. It was also in the context of being a complementary back to Bush, ala Deuce, which was a pairing that really worked well for them. I don't see how that's remotely controversial.VVV
Exactly. I'm not bashing him either. I picked him up as a flier, and have liked him for awhile now.Afro Samurai said:
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Afro Samurai
Footballguy
^
Pierre is certainly not what I would call a big back. He may be 215 but he's not built like it. Dude has some serious chicken legs.
That's not to bash him, because he runs like he's bigger than he actually is.
Pierre is certainly not what I would call a big back. He may be 215 but he's not built like it. Dude has some serious chicken legs.
That's not to bash him, because he runs like he's bigger than he actually is.
Resident A
Footballguy
I own Thomas as my 5th RB, & I think he could end up a decent RB2. That's assuming Deuce either gets hurt or stays on the bench, which I'd say is a near certainty. Stecker will not take PT away from Thomas. Deuce may, but he'll be ineffective and/or get hurt, so it won't last long.
By Week 5, a lot of fantasy teams will starting Pierre Thomas at RB2 or Flex.
Also- I was rummaging through the Saints message board & Pierre Thomas' sister posts there. She said he's fine & will be good to go for Week 2. He actually came back on the field for the last few kneel-down plays.
By Week 5, a lot of fantasy teams will starting Pierre Thomas at RB2 or Flex.
Also- I was rummaging through the Saints message board & Pierre Thomas' sister posts there. She said he's fine & will be good to go for Week 2. He actually came back on the field for the last few kneel-down plays.
Really?? I never got the impression that Stecker was ahead of Thomas in the depth charts. Is there any link, or homer to verify this.
Urinal Mint
Footballguy
I think this is more of a wait-and-see situation than a knee-jerk situation.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Deuce is absolutely done. He may trudge out there for a bit, but he's toast. Thomas over Deuce in any format.
Afro Samurai
Footballguy
Just going by what we saw during preseason. Stecker got a lot of his snaps with the first team offense while Pierre didn't come in until the second half. Also like I said, Stecker is excellent at pass pro, and that's kind of important when you're throwing it 40 times a game.HoTnickZ said:
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Thomas is still listed 4th on the depth chart at both NFL.com and the Saints website. Although NFL.com has Deuce as the RB1 and the Saints have Bush...Voice Of Reason said:
packersfan
Footballguy
This could just be Payton trying to keep Deuce happy and content or it could be an indication he honestly believes McAllister will regain a key role on the team, making Thomas' value potentially short-lived. But here's something from ESPN's NFC South blog:
Posted by ESPN.com's Pat Yasinskas
The most important call Sean Payton made Sunday might have come about six hours after his Saints defeated the Buccaneers.
That's when Payton called veteran running back Deuce McAllister. Smart move on Payton's part. McAllister didn't play a down against the Bucs. In fact, he never even put his helmet on as he stood on the sidelines. Not exactly a stellar day for one of the best players in franchise history.
But Payton wanted to make it clear to McAllister why things played out the way they did. More importantly, the coach wanted McAllister to know he still factors into the team's plans and the Saints are going to need him.
Payton is being cautious with McAllister, who is coming off the second major knee injury of his career. The Saints believe McAllister is making progress, but he still isn't back to 100 percent.
With Reggie Bush, who was spectacular Sunday, and Pierre Thomas, who was solid, there's no need to rush McAllister. The veteran said he understood Payton's logic. It's a long season and before it's said and done McAllister will play a big role for the Saints.
Posted by ESPN.com's Pat Yasinskas
The most important call Sean Payton made Sunday might have come about six hours after his Saints defeated the Buccaneers.
That's when Payton called veteran running back Deuce McAllister. Smart move on Payton's part. McAllister didn't play a down against the Bucs. In fact, he never even put his helmet on as he stood on the sidelines. Not exactly a stellar day for one of the best players in franchise history.
But Payton wanted to make it clear to McAllister why things played out the way they did. More importantly, the coach wanted McAllister to know he still factors into the team's plans and the Saints are going to need him.
Payton is being cautious with McAllister, who is coming off the second major knee injury of his career. The Saints believe McAllister is making progress, but he still isn't back to 100 percent.
With Reggie Bush, who was spectacular Sunday, and Pierre Thomas, who was solid, there's no need to rush McAllister. The veteran said he understood Payton's logic. It's a long season and before it's said and done McAllister will play a big role for the Saints.
moleculo
Footballguy
So he looks smaller than he really is, but plays bigger than he looks? I guess he plays about what one would expect someone of his weight to then.
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