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*OFFICIAL* Planning Thread: WIS XI (1 Viewer)

Doug B

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A good time to start a new sim league thread -- this forum will probably be at its busiest during the MLB playoffs.

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As a man who works 12 hour days in his new position, my participation in this will be an impossibility.

Gllllll

 
IN

I can't find any more information on the new schedule formats. Those might be an option depending on how much interest there is.

 
Updated the sign-up sheet in the OP. Welcome back, GSTH!

Mr. Phoenix, if you change your mind, we'll be here.

 
IN!

also, aren't there new schedules where you can have fewer teams? We might want to look into those as an option...

 
Doug B said:
Mr. Phoenix, if you change your mind, we'll be here.
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Believe me, I'd love to. I love nothing more than to express my baseball nerdery with other baseball nerds. I just feel that devoting time to a historical baseball draft where numbers will need to be crunched in addition to my duties as basically THE news department for this small town I'm in will probably lead to an early death by anyeurism.
 
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Giantseasonticketholder said:
:unsure:I haven't been in one of these in a LONG time.
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Wait, wait... we're not really letting this guy in are we?
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Seriously. As soon as "ThisGuy" pays me $55 + 2 yrs interest, I'll play with him again. Until then, consider me out if he's in.
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I have to agree with RnR here...A lot of people here likely have no idea of the backstory involved...This Guy played in a college football fantasy league three years ago that RnR ran. Jag won, but This Guy never paid, despite numerous assurances that he would. He then disappeared from the site for a long stretch, returning under a different name. RnR had to pay Jag out of his own pocket to cover the $$ This Guy never sent.
 
Here are the theme-planning posts from the other threads, so we can pick up discussion here:

by Doug B

Early thoughts on WIS XI? Just throwing some ideas out:

1) based on real-life franchises -- one team could be all Yankees, another all Dodgers, etc. To make it more fair, all-time uber-teams like the Yankees could be split among two owners. Either that, or we could come up with the best 12 all-time squads, and have two owners draft from each of the 12 -- then split up the teams among the NL and PL.

2) AL-only and NL-only 12-team leagues, going from the birth of the Al (1901) to the present day. Two concurrent drafts.

3) We never did a strictly 1980s draft, did we?
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by Koya

2) sounds both interesting and fair
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by Eephus

While the real-life teams idea is interesting on paper, I think it would be almost impossible to rig it to have equitable talent distribution. It would be pretty clear where the depth was midway through the draft and epic whinedowns would ensue.

After the all-time league with dice rolls, I'm in favor of a simple short-era draft like SIM IX. Pick 5 years from the 80s or 7 years from the 60s and start drafting.
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by Koya

How about a short-era draft split AL / NL, simultaneous drafts? Something old, something new... and as noted, actually fair.
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by Eephus

While the real-life teams idea is interesting on paper, I think it would be almost impossible to rig it to have equitable talent distribution. It would be pretty clear where the depth was midway through the draft and epic whinedowns would ensue.

After the all-time league with dice rolls, I'm in favor of a simple short-era draft like SIM IX. Pick 5 years from the 80s or 7 years from the 60s and start drafting.
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by Sammy3469 :goodposting:

I'd skip the strike year though.
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by Koya

So long as 3 fools let Brett slip to me at #4, Im down with the 80's

:coffee:
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by Hoos First

How about the last 20 years, and you are allowed only 1 player per MLB team.
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by Hoos First

How about the last 20 years, and you are allowed only 1 player per MLB team.
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by Doug B :goodposting:

This is a dam good idea for something different. Lots o' different kinds of draft strategy to employ.
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by Hoos First

How about the last 20 years, and you are allowed only 1 player per MLB team.
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by EephusI like the one player per team idea but I'm not a big fan of drafting the steroid era players again.
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by Frostillicus

Really like the one player per team.
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by Spartans Rule

I like the one player per team idea a lot too, but it only works in eras we've done to death. I wouldn't fight it if that's the consensus first choice though.

My #1 preference is still for a short-period 50s or 60s draft.
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by Eephus

I'm pretty much in sync w/ Spartans here.

I enjoyed the Disco Era even though it was my worst sim ever in terms of wins of losses. It was good to delve a little deeper into the player pool.
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by Doug B

After 10 sims, there are no more uncharted eras, really. Except for WWII and pre-1900.

Maybe a compromise idea could be essentially "the 60s", going from 1961 (first year of the Twins and second Senators), and ending in 1968 (a year before the Pilots, Royals, Expos, and Padres started up). Then have a rule in which everybody had to draft at least one player from each of the 18 MLB teams of that era.

We could also do something similar with the 1930s & 1940s. Same 16 teams in the same cities during those 20 years.
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by Sammy3496

I have a feeling anything pre-1960 would get very Yankee-centric, but maybe I'm wrong.

62-68 would have 20 teams though I'd leave out 68 since its so ridiculous.

The one problem with taking one guy per team pre-68 in a super short period is that it may be hard for everyone to fill out a full team if we don't allow clones (ie a 06 and 07 Pujols). I actually think it would have to be post 68 to work without clones. One thing we haven't done is post-steriod (05-07).
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by Eephus

I think short era and one player per team are an either/or proposition. If we're doing 62-67, 83-87, 47-52 or whatever, I think the one player per team rule gets deferred until Sim XII.

If we want to do one team per player, we could do 1977 (the year teams #25 & #26 came into MLB) through the present.
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by Koya

I also vote MEH on any steroid era inclusion unless its an all time league.

You know, we could do a 50-80 league... post war, pre strike baseball.

Baseball our various group probably grew up with and grew up hearing about. And if you grew up in the 90's, you dont deserve an opinion (yes, that mean's you Champ - 1890's in your case).

I dont know if I like the one player per team thing to be honest... dont mind something, but also dont want too much constriction.
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by Doug B

Maybe a compromise idea could be essentially "the 60s", going from 1961 (first year of the Twins and second Senators), and ending in 1968 (a year before the Pilots, Royals, Expos, and Padres started up). Then have a rule in which everybody had to draft at least one player from each of the 18 MLB teams of that era.
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by Spartans RuleThis might not be bad. I'd stop it at 1967 though. Leave the craziness of 68 out of it.
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by Eephus

We should probably expect a pretty similarly sized player pool for 1961-67 as what we had for the Disco Era. The number of (teams X seasons) for 61-67 works out to 126 (7x18=126). This is almost identical to Sim IX which had 128 team seasons ((5 years X 26 teams)-2 (for 1976 sans Toronto & Seattle)=128).

Does the one player per team add anything other than complexity to a short-era draft?
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by Eephus

Does the one player per team add anything other than complexity to a short-era draft?
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by Doug BNope ... just complexity :goodposting:

Also, some teams could get semi-screwed -- if you end up consistenntly missing out on the few good scraps from the 1960s cellar dwellars, you might field a team that's only 19-20 players deep.

But then, I like the strategic decision of "reaching" for the Best Angel Available in the thrid round just because of scarcity. So it's not all that cut and dried for me.

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I'd suggest adding in 1960 (or even 1959-60 ... or heck, a full decade: 1958-1967) if we're going to cut out 1968. IMHO, the player pool for the Disco Era was just a tad small. A few more seasons would loosen it up to a nice level.
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by Eephus

Adding the extra years won't help with the one player per team scarcity for the expansion teams. Picking the 25th best Senator will be worse than a political thread in the FFA.
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Did the Disco Era have a Salary Cap?
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by EephusA cap in a short era sim is pretty redundant. All a cap does is deplete the bench and tail end of the bullpen.

The salary cap sim wasn't very much fun. Everybody filled their rosters with cheapo role players so nobody had depth to trade or alter their lineups. If we want more realistic rosters, short eras is a better way to do it than salary caps.
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by Mr. Phoenix

What about Hoosfirst's idea, only using the years 1965-1985?
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by EephusI could go along with this, although would rather do it without 1968

ETA: A sim without Guidry '78 would be a nice change of pace
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by Doug B

I'd suggest adding in 1960 (or even 1959-60 ... or heck, a full decade: 1958-1967) if we're going to cut out 1968. IMHO, the player pool for the Disco Era was just a tad small. A few more seasons would loosen it up to a nice level.
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by Spartans RuleI know I'm always on the extreme end of this discussion, but I thought 5 was plenty and 4 would've worked. I'd like to keep it down to 7.
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by Eephus

I think 120 team-seasons in the draft pool is about the minimum I'd support
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by Mr. Phoenix

Have we done a strictly Golden Era sim? I know we did a hybrid Golden Era/Steroid Era WIS a while back (which was the one I was involved in besides WIS I and this one), but I'm not sure we did a sim for the Golden Era.
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by Doug B

I had changed lanes without signalling -- I was proposing going to a full decade without having the "one per team" restriction.

As much as I'm intrigued by "one per team", I think we need a longer period of time to make that work.
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by Sammy3469

I personally like the idea of having to draft a Mendoza line SS. I'd rather have a "real-life" team as opposed to Walter Johnson pitching every third day.
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by Eephus

I used Freddie Patek as an every day starter in Sim IX. You may like the concept of drafting a Mendoza line SS but the novelty wears off quickly.
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by Spartans Rule

Just saw this at WIS...

Added the Alternate WIS Format D & E schedule formats for theme league play. The schedules are 12 and 16 team leagues geared towards LIVE play that include interleague play for more matchup variety during the season.
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:goodposting: :coffee: :coffee: I need more details, but this could make our dream of an all-live league come true.
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by larry_boy_44

if we can do a 12 or 16 team league... does that mean we can get another one off the ground here soon?

It has to be easier to get 12 guys or 16 guys than 24...
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Eephus said:
ScottNorwood said:
I haven't played in a while. Is Eephus still old?
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I'm the oldest defending champion
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Not just defending WIS champion. This includes the 90 and over bridge club in Boca, too.Must say though, EEphus may have vaulted into best SIM owner of the FBG crew with his victory. Before, he didnt have the ring, now he has the ring along with three additional WS appearances and playoffs most every time.
 
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Eephus said:
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I haven't played in a while. Is Eephus still old?
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I'm the oldest defending champion
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Not just defending WIS champion. This includes the 90 and over bridge club in Boca, too.Must say though, EEphus may have vaulted into best SIM owner of the FBG crew with his victory. Before, he didnt have the ring, now he has the ring along with three additional WS appearances and playoffs most every time.
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Thanks Koya, that's high praise. :hifive: I'd write you into my will if you weren't Jewish.
 
I looked into the schedule formats a little more.

The 12 team has 6 in each league and playoffs include just the World Series.

The 16 team has two divisions of four in each league with an LCS. I'd like it better without the divisions (8-team pennant races like the good old days!), but oh well.

They also have any format that MLB has ever used, but most don't include interleague play and I dunno if I wanna play the same seven teams over and over.

I am intrigued by the concept of a 12-team, single-season league, using maybe 1986, but that would probably leave interested people out. This could also be done as an all-live side project.

I don't have any great ideas for 16 teams, but if interest is low it might be better to go with 16 than wait/beg for more.

 
Tremendous Upside said:
You know what would be great? What if we roll for which year we get? :excited:
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In time, we'll look back fondly at the great dice roll experiment. It had some good things going for it:The draft was interesting until the final roundThere was more trading than usualBench players and pitching depth was more important than the typical long-era leagueThe SimLive league worked pretty wellIn spite of the seemingly arbitrary nature of the format, the usual owners were successfulIt largely took the freak season guys out of playI learned something new about baseball history. I gained a new appreciation for players who consistently strung together a high number of quality seasons. I finally wonI'd definitely consider rolling the dice again. With some minor tweaking, it could be even better. But it's too soon for Sim XI.
 
Eephus said:
Tremendous Upside said:
You know what would be great? What if we roll for which year we get? :fro:
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In time, we'll look back fondly at the great dice roll experiment. It had some good things going for it:The draft was interesting until the final roundThere was more trading than usualBench players and pitching depth was more important than the typical long-era leagueThe SimLive league worked pretty wellIn spite of the seemingly arbitrary nature of the format, the usual owners were successfulIt largely took the freak season guys out of playI learned something new about baseball history. I gained a new appreciation for players who consistently strung together a high number of quality seasons. I finally wonI'd definitely consider rolling the dice again. With some minor tweaking, it could be even better. But it's too soon for Sim XI.
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I think incorporating dice rolls is gthe way to go... I just think we need to figure out a way to vary the # of sides the dice have in some way so we have a bit better control over the quality of seasons we get from specific players at specific spots. For instance, I think doing it where we get 6 rolls at 4 sides, 6 rolls at 5 sides, 7 rolls at 6 sides, and 6 rolls at 7 sides would work better, we'd be less likely to get horrible seasons for our stud players and it would still raise the value of consistent performers.Another option is to just a number of sides (say 100 or 125) and you have to roll that many sides through the draft combined. Then you make a maximum (say 10) and minimum (say 2) number of sides for each individual player and go from there... This should, in theory, raise the value of players who have a very large number of quality seasons a lot... Although the problem with this is that you can just load the backend of your draft with guys you dont' want to use for 10 seasons each...Either way, I think in the end, some form of dice roll or randomization of quality of players is the best way to go with this...
 
Eephus said:
Koya said:
Eephus said:
ScottNorwood said:
I haven't played in a while. Is Eephus still old?
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I'm the oldest defending champion
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Not just defending WIS champion. This includes the 90 and over bridge club in Boca, too.Must say though, EEphus may have vaulted into best SIM owner of the FBG crew with his victory. Before, he didnt have the ring, now he has the ring along with three additional WS appearances and playoffs most every time.
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Thanks Koya, that's high praise. :thumbup: I'd write you into my will if you weren't Jewish.
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That's ok. Ill usurp some power and take the money before then anyway. :(
 
Ok, lets get this ####er started. What we doing, how many teams? Lets aim for 16 and then go waiting list to see if it gets to 24 in a reasonable period.

 
I still see Doctor Detroit posting around here ... he was saying he couldn't play again until November because he's moving. If we can fire this up within two weeks, I wonder if he could jump in?

 
Doug B it might be helpful to cut and paste some of the basic info about WIS from the Sim X thread into post #1. Some visitors here may know as much about WIS as I do about Werewolf.
 
Just wanted to let everyone know that in an effort to get this thing going, I'm willing to back off my demands. I'll settle for $55 with no interest from ThisGuy. I'll even take it in a monthly payment plan. 5 low monthly payments of $11. 3 years, same as cash! F'n #####.

 
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Doug B said:
I still see Doctor Detroit posting around here ... he was saying he couldn't play again until November because he's moving. If we can fire this up within two weeks, I wonder if he could jump in?
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I actually have access to this forum at work so it's doable but I'm really busy until after the first week of November. If I knew format and years I could dig now and get ready and probably be able to play. But I can't start anything until after the Presidential election.
 
Doctor Detroit said:
Doug B said:
I still see Doctor Detroit posting around here ... he was saying he couldn't play again until November because he's moving. If we can fire this up within two weeks, I wonder if he could jump in?
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I actually have access to this forum at work so it's doable but I'm really busy until after the first week of November. If I knew format and years I could dig now and get ready and probably be able to play. But I can't start anything until after the Presidential election.
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At the rate we're moving, I think we should consider Dr. D to be IN.
 
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