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Who do you like more at the rb spot in the pros? (1 Viewer)

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I know a lot of this depends on where they end up but who do you like more heading into the draft and why.

I think Wells has the body to be a stud for many years as long as he is in the right offense.

Moreno is more of a typical west coast offense back who can catch the ball and slash out of the backfield.

Who do you like more?

I could see Wells ending up in Cleveland and Moreno in Denver

 
RockHard said:
MAC_32 said:
Moreno may not be in my top 5 among rookie RB's, let alone #1.
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Could you please list your top five.
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Right now?Beanie WellsCJ SpillerLeSean McCoyCharles ScottShonn GreeneI'd slide DeMarco Murray and Stafon Johnson in there between Greene and Moreno too, I haven't begun to consider (m)any of the small school guys either. This list will likely change and won't be confused with my rookie draft rankings, fact is Moreno's probably going to get the opportunity before many of these guys and that's going to be taken into account...after the draft.
 
MAC_32 said:
RockHard said:
MAC_32 said:
Moreno may not be in my top 5 among rookie RB's, let alone #1.
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Could you please list your top five.
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Right now?Beanie WellsCJ SpillerLeSean McCoyCharles ScottShonn GreeneI'd slide DeMarco Murray and Stafon Johnson in there between Greene and Moreno too, I haven't begun to consider (m)any of the small school guys either. This list will likely change and won't be confused with my rookie draft rankings, fact is Moreno's probably going to get the opportunity before many of these guys and that's going to be taken into account...after the draft.
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So, you're saying he WILL be in your top 5
 
MAC_32 said:
RockHard said:
MAC_32 said:
Moreno may not be in my top 5 among rookie RB's, let alone #1.
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Could you please list your top five.
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Right now?Beanie Wells

CJ Spiller

LeSean McCoy

Charles Scott

Shonn Greene

I'd slide DeMarco Murray and Stafon Johnson in there between Greene and Moreno too, I haven't begun to consider (m)any of the small school guys either. This list will likely change and won't be confused with my rookie draft rankings, fact is Moreno's probably going to get the opportunity before many of these guys and that's going to be taken into account...after the draft.
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I do like McCoy but I'd have to say I like Moreno much more than the others' listed. So you would say you like Wells the best than right?I just acquired the #1 or #2 (lottery process) rookie pick in our dynasty league and I'm already looking forward to it.

I really like Wells as well but Moreno is tough.

 
Jon_Moore said:
MAC_32 said:
RockHard said:
MAC_32 said:
Moreno may not be in my top 5 among rookie RB's, let alone #1.
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Could you please list your top five.
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Right now?Beanie WellsCJ SpillerLeSean McCoyCharles ScottShonn GreeneI'd slide DeMarco Murray and Stafon Johnson in there between Greene and Moreno too, I haven't begun to consider (m)any of the small school guys either. This list will likely change and won't be confused with my rookie draft rankings, fact is Moreno's probably going to get the opportunity before many of these guys and that's going to be taken into account...after the draft.
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So, you're saying he WILL be in your top 5
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Depends on the draft, Beanie's #1. How the cards fall thereafter depends who goes where.
 
Sick play. Thanks for sharing. I don't know if Moreno has NFL ability, but just love the guy's heart and intensity. I'm rooting for him big-time, and I'm a UF fan.
 
broncofan13000 said:
MAC_32 said:
Moreno may not be in my top 5 among rookie RB's, let alone #1.
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curious as to why u don't think he'd be a top 5 rb... is it soley because of his predicted slow 40 time?
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There isn't anything special about him, I think there are special qualities about the guys I have ranked above him.I think Moreno will be a good backup/below average starter that I would like my team to have if he fell far enough...but I don't think he's a 1st round talent.
 
Moreno is the first back in a long time to remind me of Barry Sanders. And for that, I have to give the slight edge to him -- at least in regards of my own favoritism. :bye:

 
JGalligan said:
Moreno is the first back in a long time to remind me of Barry Sanders. And for that, I have to give the slight edge to him -- at least in regards of my own favoritism. :lmao:
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He reminds me more of Cadillac Williams than Barry Sanders but that's just me.I liked Caddy coming out of college until he went to Tampa Bay.Again I like Moreno if he goes to a West Coast team.
 
Wells is the second best skill position player in the draft (behind Michael Crabtree) but is certainly the top runner. I like LeSean McCoy quite a bit and think he can make real waves at the next level. Moreno will be solid, but I don't see him as an elite player. Not high on Scott at all ... he doesn't have the top end speed or elusiveness in space to be that good. The more I see of DeMarco Murray the more I like. Spiller I don't know ... at times I think he's great and at times I think he's average. I like his speed, but nothing wows me about him. I may be in the minority, but I think teammate James Davis actually has more NFL upside.

A guy I really like who will get knocked down a few pegs because of his size is Javon Ringer. Kid runs hard, can get out of trouble and isn't afraid to run inside. He's also a good pass catcher and has a real nose for the end zone. Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up having a productive career.

Arian Foster from Tennessee seems to have a lot of the intangibles the pros like ... he can run tough inside, can get away from people once he's through the hole and is a decent pass catcher. He may not be heralded, but I think he'll be pretty good if he latches on with the right team.

The guys at the top are all good, but there isn't a ton of depth after about the first 7-8 backs.

 
evilempire said:
Arian Foster from Tennessee seems to have a lot of the intangibles the pros like ... he can run tough inside, can get away from people once he's through the hole and is a decent pass catcher. He may not be heralded, but I think he'll be pretty good if he latches on with the right team.
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I strongly disagree with everything said above, I think he is terrible.
 
Moreno looks like he has 'it' to me. I'm not a pro scout, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. I have no idea where he ranks compared to the other RB prospects.

In terms of fantasy production, where they end up is such an important part of the equation. Brian Westbrook might have been relegated to being a 3rd down back on a lot of teams in the NFL.

 
I would like to caution everyone to not expect 5,000 RB's in this years draft class to do as well as that amount has this year. I'm not saying that it CAN'T happen again, I'm just saying that its highly unlikely. Thank you.

 
Harvin is going to be a WR in the NFL.

Moreno is a great back and will be one of the first 3 backs selected.

Spiller is average at best. I definitely agree that Davis is a better pro prospect.

Foster is a fumbling fool. Day 2 if he gets drafted at all.

I've only seen Shonn Greene once, but I was very impressed.

 
Not in love with either at this point, but my opinions are subject to change. I certainly think both guys have the potential to become productive NFL starters. The real question is whether or not I like them enough to spend a high pick on them.

Shonn Greene might be my favorite RB in this class right now. He doesn't have a huge upside, but I think his game will translate well to the next level.

 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Spiller is average at best. I definitely agree that Davis is a better pro prospect.
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Chris Johnson is making CJ Spiller a lot of money. I don't think Spiller is a flawless prospect, but he has the best burst and long speed of any of this year's elite RB prospects. He'll be attractive to teams who are looking for a big play threat. He has the Clemson career record for plays of 50+ yards and is dangerous as runner/receiver/returner.Clemson doesn't use Spiller and Davis enough, but from what I've seen Spiller is the better NFL prospect. Davis has pedestrian physical tools and is probably a backup caliber talent at the next level.
 
JGalligan said:
I would like to caution everyone to not expect 5,000 RB's in this years draft class to do as well as that amount has this year. I'm not saying that it CAN'T happen again, I'm just saying that its highly unlikely. Thank you.
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IMO WR is the strong point of this group. CrabtreeMaclinHarvinHeyward-BeyI like all of these guys more than I liked anyone who came out last year. It's a great year to need a WR in PPR dynasty. You're probably going to get a VERY good prospect anywhere in the top 10 because people with early picks will reach for RBs.
 
EBF said:
JGalligan said:
I would like to caution everyone to not expect 5,000 RB's in this years draft class to do as well as that amount has this year. I'm not saying that it CAN'T happen again, I'm just saying that its highly unlikely. Thank you.
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IMO WR is the strong point of this group. CrabtreeMaclinHarvinHeyward-BeyI like all of these guys more than I liked anyone who came out last year. It's a great year to need a WR in PPR dynasty. You're probably going to get a VERY good prospect anywhere in the top 10 because people with early picks will reach for RBs.
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I thought Maclin was only a sophomore, but I'm sure I'm missing something.
 
I'm pretty sure LT never did this in a game, but that wouldn't have stopped me from taking him #1. Don't confuse athletic ability with natural talent. See Vernon Davis.That being said, I do like Wells as the top RB in the class. Also I don't agree with the knock on Ringer's size. Dude is strong as an ox ala MJD. Not saying he'll be as good, just saying size isn't all it's cracked up to be.

 
Jon_Moore said:
EBF said:
JGalligan said:
I would like to caution everyone to not expect 5,000 RB's in this years draft class to do as well as that amount has this year. I'm not saying that it CAN'T happen again, I'm just saying that its highly unlikely. Thank you.
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IMO WR is the strong point of this group. Crabtree

Maclin

Harvin

Heyward-Bey

I like all of these guys more than I liked anyone who came out last year. It's a great year to need a WR in PPR dynasty. You're probably going to get a VERY good prospect anywhere in the top 10 because people with early picks will reach for RBs.
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I thought Maclin was only a sophomore, but I'm sure I'm missing something.
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RS Soph
 
I like Wells a great deal, but his durability is starting to worry me. He seems to get dinged up a lot. People always want to talk about his size and speed which are impressive. However the most impressive thing about Wells is his feet and vision.

I'm not sure why there seems to be a negative buzz going around on Moreno. The guy is a fantastic RB prospect. Maybe not quite as good as Wells, but clearly a 1st round talent in the grade range of M. Lynch.

Here is how I rank the RBs as of now:

Wells

Moreno

McCoy

Murray

Green

Ringer

Spiller

Davis

 
EVERY year people say that ________________ (fill in the blank) will be a STUD in the NFL. How many times that does truly pan out? Althoug the last tree have potential to be long-term studs, many consider the jury still out on Bush and McFadden as studs. How does Beanie compare to Bush, Peterson, and McFadden? The last three studs. Rank them.

 
3nOut said:
EVERY year people say that ________________ (fill in the blank) will be a STUD in the NFL. How many times that does truly pan out? Althoug the last tree have potential to be long-term studs, many consider the jury still out on Bush and McFadden as studs. How does Beanie compare to Bush, Peterson, and McFadden? The last three studs. Rank them.
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The jury is still out on McFadden but that is only because he has played so little this year, his only year. Anyone who is still clinging to the notion that the jury is still out on Bush is grasping at straws IMO. It is more than obvious the guy is a stellar fantasy producer and weapon in the NFL.How exactly do you want these guys ranked? By draft grade at the time they came out? Ranking them with regards to what we know now?
 
jurb26 said:
3nOut said:
EVERY year people say that ________________ (fill in the blank) will be a STUD in the NFL. How many times that does truly pan out? Althoug the last tree have potential to be long-term studs, many consider the jury still out on Bush and McFadden as studs. How does Beanie compare to Bush, Peterson, and McFadden? The last three studs. Rank them.
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The jury is still out on McFadden but that is only because he has played so little this year, his only year. Anyone who is still clinging to the notion that the jury is still out on Bush is grasping at straws IMO. It is more than obvious the guy is a stellar fantasy producer and weapon in the NFL.How exactly do you want these guys ranked? By draft grade at the time they came out? Ranking them with regards to what we know now?
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By FF Stud-o-meter :thumbup:
 
Vision6 said:
LeSean McCoy :wub:
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Word.I don't like either Wells or Moreno much. Wells has NFL talent, but I think he's too stiff and will struggle against NFL defenses (unless, of course, he gets the Peterson gift of going to a team with such a brilliant run-blocking OL). Moreno is just really overrated as a draft prospect and I'd be surprised if he went before the mid-second-round. He is shifty, but he's neither quick or fast, strong or powerful, and I just don't think he's a starting NFL RB. Or a good one, at least.
 
The Jacket said:
Vision6 said:
LeSean McCoy :wub:
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Word.I don't like either Wells or Moreno much. Wells has NFL talent, but I think he's too stiff and will struggle against NFL defenses (unless, of course, he gets the Peterson gift of going to a team with such a brilliant run-blocking OL). Moreno is just really overrated as a draft prospect and I'd be surprised if he went before the mid-second-round. He is shifty, but he's neither quick or fast, strong or powerful, and I just don't think he's a starting NFL RB. Or a good one, at least.
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I'd have to disagree with you view of Moreno. He is extremely quick and reaches top speed in a hurry. He is very sudden. He is also very powerful for his size. The main knock on him however is that he really doesn't have great straight line speed or top end speed and that he isn't as big as he is listed (208 lbs) with a smaller frame that will struggle to build mass. I'm really curious to hear more details from those who think Moreno is overrated.
 
IF Wells comes out early (He's a Jr.) i'd say he ends up in Detroit as the #1 overall.

Wells has what it takes to be a great NFL running back, injuries have hindered him in his college career but he'll play through most of them in the NFL.

Could Wells opt to stay in Ohio State for a shot at a Championship next season? Sure he could, but I doubt he'll pass up the cash.

With the #1 pick in the draft the Detriot Lions take Chris Wells RB Ohio State!

:shrug:

 
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IF Wells comes out early (He's a Jr.) i'd say he ends up in Detroit as the #1 overall. Wells has what it takes to be a great NFL running back, injuries have hindered him in his college career but he'll play through most of them in the NFL.Could Wells opt to stay in Ohio State for a shot at a Championship next season? Sure he could, but I doubt he'll pass up the cash. With the #1 pick in the draft the Detriot Lions take Chris Wells RB Ohio State! :yes:
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as a wells and calvin owner I sure hope as hell NOT...would rather see him in seattle...
 
I'm not the RB prognosticator many here are (see my rookie draft "steal" of Shelton, Eric a few years ago), but I like Moreno a little better. Wells seems to have many of the tools, but something just seems to be missing with him - can't quite put my finger on it. I think Moreno may be a tad more "gimmicky" than Wells, but he does better on my eye-test than Beanie.

 
BUD GRANT said:
IF Wells comes out early (He's a Jr.) i'd say he ends up in Detroit as the #1 overall. Wells has what it takes to be a great NFL running back, injuries have hindered him in his college career but he'll play through most of them in the NFL.Could Wells opt to stay in Ohio State for a shot at a Championship next season? Sure he could, but I doubt he'll pass up the cash. With the #1 pick in the draft the Detriot Lions take Chris Wells RB Ohio State! :thumbup:
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There is zero chance that the Lions draft Wells first overall. He may not even be the best RB, let alone the top player. RB is the least of the Lions' problems. Pencil in a DE or left tackle with the top pick, depending on who is making the pick. Defense will be the main emphasis of the draft, especially the first day.
 
3nOut said:
How does Beanie compare to Bush, Peterson, and McFadden? The last three studs. Rank them.
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Peterson looks better than Bush now, but I'll admit that I liked Bush more as a prospect. I would rank them as:BushPetersonWellsMcFaddenWells has good power, pretty good speed, and pretty good feet. On the downside, he's long-legged and he takes way too many jarring hits to his upper body. He also doesn't have great burst or elusiveness for a pro RB. I think he'll probably be effective in the NFL, but I'm not sure if he'll be able to stay healthy.
 
jurb26 said:
The Jacket said:
Vision6 said:
LeSean McCoy :lmao:
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Word.I don't like either Wells or Moreno much. Wells has NFL talent, but I think he's too stiff and will struggle against NFL defenses (unless, of course, he gets the Peterson gift of going to a team with such a brilliant run-blocking OL). Moreno is just really overrated as a draft prospect and I'd be surprised if he went before the mid-second-round. He is shifty, but he's neither quick or fast, strong or powerful, and I just don't think he's a starting NFL RB. Or a good one, at least.
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I'd have to disagree with you view of Moreno. He is extremely quick and reaches top speed in a hurry. He is very sudden. He is also very powerful for his size. The main knock on him however is that he really doesn't have great straight line speed or top end speed and that he isn't as big as he is listed (208 lbs) with a smaller frame that will struggle to build mass. I'm really curious to hear more details from those who think Moreno is overrated.
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Apparently, you must be the first person in this thread to have actually watched Moreno. He bowls over linebackers and has juked more than a few safetys out of their jocks. I don't think people realize the attrition UGA's O-line has gone through and what Moreno has done with mostly poor blocking. For the NFL he would have to bulk up a little, listed at 6'0", 208, if he can add 10lbs, he would be ideal size. Moreno's Hurdle > Wells' Hurdle
 
jurb26 said:
I'm really curious to hear more details from those who think Moreno is overrated.
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He's a good back. Shifty. Powerful. Quick. Runs low. I think he's going to be a solid pro player. That said, I can understand why people are a little bit down on him as an NFL prospect. He doesn't have flashy speed and he's (apparently) undersized for a workhorse type back. He lacks the "wow" qualities that you usually see from a high first round type RB. He's not nearly as flashy as Bush/Peterson/McFadden. He's more like Lynch or like Cadillac without the jukes. I think there's very little chance of him being a total bust in the NFL, but he may end up being pretty average.
 
Anthony Borbely said:
BUD GRANT said:
IF Wells comes out early (He's a Jr.) i'd say he ends up in Detroit as the #1 overall. Wells has what it takes to be a great NFL running back, injuries have hindered him in his college career but he'll play through most of them in the NFL.Could Wells opt to stay in Ohio State for a shot at a Championship next season? Sure he could, but I doubt he'll pass up the cash. With the #1 pick in the draft the Detriot Lions take Chris Wells RB Ohio State! :goodposting:
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There is zero chance that the Lions draft Wells first overall. He may not even be the best RB, let alone the top player. RB is the least of the Lions' problems. Pencil in a DE or left tackle with the top pick, depending on who is making the pick. Defense will be the main emphasis of the draft, especially the first day.
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Can you please take over drafting duties for my pathetic Lions?
 
puckalicious said:
Anthony Borbely said:
BUD GRANT said:
IF Wells comes out early (He's a Jr.) i'd say he ends up in Detroit as the #1 overall. Wells has what it takes to be a great NFL running back, injuries have hindered him in his college career but he'll play through most of them in the NFL.Could Wells opt to stay in Ohio State for a shot at a Championship next season? Sure he could, but I doubt he'll pass up the cash. With the #1 pick in the draft the Detriot Lions take Chris Wells RB Ohio State! :rolleyes:
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There is zero chance that the Lions draft Wells first overall. He may not even be the best RB, let alone the top player. RB is the least of the Lions' problems. Pencil in a DE or left tackle with the top pick, depending on who is making the pick. Defense will be the main emphasis of the draft, especially the first day.
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Can you please take over drafting duties for my pathetic Lions?
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You sure? He'd draft Kevin Jones all over again.
 
phthalatemagic said:
puckalicious said:
Anthony Borbely said:
BUD GRANT said:
IF Wells comes out early (He's a Jr.) i'd say he ends up in Detroit as the #1 overall. Wells has what it takes to be a great NFL running back, injuries have hindered him in his college career but he'll play through most of them in the NFL.Could Wells opt to stay in Ohio State for a shot at a Championship next season? Sure he could, but I doubt he'll pass up the cash. With the #1 pick in the draft the Detriot Lions take Chris Wells RB Ohio State! :D
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There is zero chance that the Lions draft Wells first overall. He may not even be the best RB, let alone the top player. RB is the least of the Lions' problems. Pencil in a DE or left tackle with the top pick, depending on who is making the pick. Defense will be the main emphasis of the draft, especially the first day.
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Can you please take over drafting duties for my pathetic Lions?
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You sure? He'd draft Kevin Jones all over again.
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That's pretty funny. The Lions have to learn that the great teams win the battle at the line of scrimmage. Millen could never figure that out as he kept drafting skill players high and ignored the offensive line and the defense. It is no surprise that is their two biggest areas of need.
 
From what people are saying about Moreno, he sounds a bit like a Domanick Davis (Williams) type... Is that somewhat accurate?

 
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