ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
They probably don't get el perfecto, but I think we're looking at a solid 14-2 season.
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How many reg season games do the Bills win with TO? (1 Viewer)
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shamrock84
Footballguy
Add 0 through 5 as options pls.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
4.00
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I've 'updated' the poll to make it a legitimate exercise.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Really they're going to beat the Jets twice? I wouldn't bet on that. The Jets beat them twice last season (and it wasn't because of Favre). Reivas and Sheppard can cover TO and Evans and the rest of the defense is much improved as well. The medicore Jet offense (assuming that's the case) can do well enough against a mediocre Bills defense.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Home: Miami, New England, N.Y. Jets, Houston, Indianapolis, Cleveland, New Orleans, Tampa Bay
Away: Miami, New England, N.Y. Jets, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Kansas City, Atlanta, Carolina
10-6
Away: Miami, New England, N.Y. Jets, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Kansas City, Atlanta, Carolina
10-6
Bills defense should have an edge over the Jets offense next year. But, I assume both games will be close. And with that schedule, 9 or 10 wins looks like the max with 7 or 8 more likely.
FUBAR
Footballguy
They could be close, and I realize Brett didn't beat them, but I need to see how Ratliff plays before I believe the Jets are better than a bottom feeder next year without Favre and Coles.
lyon812
Footballguy
Home: Miami, New England, N.Y. Jets, Houston, Indianapolis, Cleveland, New Orleans, Tampa Bay
Away: Miami, New England, N.Y. Jets, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Kansas City, Atlanta, Carolina
7-9. They need a better pash rush and help at safety. They're in a competitive division. Miami should be solid again, NE is NE, and I think all the rumblings about the "Baltimore Jets" defense isn't smoke.
Away: Miami, New England, N.Y. Jets, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Kansas City, Atlanta, Carolina
7-9. They need a better pash rush and help at safety. They're in a competitive division. Miami should be solid again, NE is NE, and I think all the rumblings about the "Baltimore Jets" defense isn't smoke.
brednbuddah
Footballguy
probably? the arguement could be made they don't win 16 games in the next two seasons! They sure haven't done it the last two (7-9, 7-9).Hangartner replaces Preston center, but they let (LG) Dockery walk. I don't think they picked up anyone to fill that spot yet. This line wasn't very good last year even after (LT) Peters reported after holding out most of camp.ScottNorwood said:
you have a questionable line trying to protect a questionable quarterback for a primadonna receiver. If they don't get out to a fast start, TO will start his non-sense (yelling at his coaches) and the Bills will fall like a house of cards. Isn't Lynch possibly being suspended for something like 2-4 games? for gun possession?
8 wins tops.
gonzobill5
Footballguy
i am quite certain they will win 0 postseason games - and that's the only number that matters.
the branded hand
Footballguy
I'm quite sure they won't have a "regular season" with TO there. Going with consistently consistent (7-9) until training camp.... and then
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Less than the Cowboys won last year. Right now the rest of their team is not as good as the Cowboys. Not on defense, not on the Oline and not in the backfield. I guess the 2009 Bills will be better at WR2 than the 2008 Cowboys, but that's it.
I'm not even accounting for the inevitable meltdown when TO figures out how bad Trent Edwards is.
I'm not even accounting for the inevitable meltdown when TO figures out how bad Trent Edwards is.
LBH
Footballguy
I voted for 4 wins. I think they go 1-5 in the division, splitting with Miami. TO might make them look good on paper, but I think hes going to destroy the confidance of Edwards, and divide the locker room. Edwards will be by far the worst passer, and Buffalo will be by far the most conservative offense TO has ever had to play in. Its going to get ugly in Buffalo imo
I voted 7-9, but honestly I could see them winning anywhere between 5 and 10 games. I think the lower half of the range is more likely to happen though. Both the Jets and Dolphins are overrated as both played easy schedules this season (the AFC East got to play the AFC West and NFC West) so there isn't that much ground that Buffalo needs to makeup to be #2 in the AFC East.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Cowboys weren't good last year. Neither were the Bills, but let's be serious here. I would say that with the TO acquisition, Buffalo CLEARLY has a more talented team than Dallas. Not even close in my mind.PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Good work is being done in here. This is funny stuff.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Other than QB and TE, I'd like to hear one position where the 'boys are better than the Bills
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I detest the Cowboys but I would say their talent, overall, is superior to the Bills.QB -- Romo vs. Edwards
RB1 -- Barber vs. Lynch
RB Bench -- Jones/Choice vs. Jackson/Omon
WR1 -- R. Williams vs. T. Owens
WR2 -- P. Crayton vs. L. Evans
WR3 -- M. Austin vs. J. Reed
TE1 -- J. Witten vs. D. Fine
TE2 -- M. Bennett vs. D. Schouman
LT -- F. Adams vs. J. Peters
LG -- K. Kosier vs. B. Rodd
C -- A. Gurode vs. G. Hangartner
RG -- L. Davis vs. B. Butler
RT -- M. Colombo vs. L. Walker
LDE -- M. Spears vs. C. Kelsay
DTs -- J. Ratliff vs. Stroud + Williams
RDE -- I. Olshansky vs. A. Schobel
OLB -- D. Ware + Ellis vs. Mitchell + Ellison
ILB -- James + Brooking vs. Posluszny
CB1 -- T. Newman vs. T. McGee
CB2 -- M. Jenkins vs. L. McKelvin
CB3 -- O. Scandrick vs. A. Youbouty
SS -- G. Sensabaugh vs. D. Whitner
FS -- K. Hamlin vs. K. Simpson
HC -- W. Phillips vs. D. Jauron
OC -- J. Garrett vs. T. Schonert
DC -- Grantham + Campo vs. Fewell
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Six of their seven wins came against team defenses ranked 25th to 31st in yards allowed. The other teams in the division sweep them. Seriously, they will be lucky to get five wins.
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Flozell over Peters? Probably even at worst but I think many would give Peters an edge.I'd say Barber and Lynch are pretty close to even as well.
Tough to argue Kelsay as having an edge over anyone.
I have a low opinion of both Phillips and Jauron as a head coach but Wade is a better coordinator.
I pretty much agree with you on the rest though. Bills still have a lot of key holes to fill (TE, LG, OLB), but the talent level isn't as disparate as it would seem given that the Cowboys were a popular choice to win the Super Bowl a year ago.
CanadianNFLJunkie
Footballguy
As this point of the year, which first off is a stupid time to predict any team's amount of wins, I can't see much of an improvement from their 7-9 record. Way too many holes for the Bills to obtain from the draft and expect these players to start as rookies and be above average. Based on what I heard on Jason Peters yesterday, I'd think he won't play another down for the Bills unless the team meets his demands... so there is another hole to fill. Also, the Bills OL is missing a player, assume at LG since this Hamgarter or whatever his name is moves in the middle. Team needs a TE, otherwise I guess we'll see a lot more 3-WR sets as their base O, (doubt it), question about Lynch and his pending suspension, big question on how Edwards will play and could be play all or most of the season. On D, they need at least 1 pass rusher, if not 2 since Schobel pretty much has faded since he signed a big contract, they need a WLB and don't tell me Mitchell is there, he's a true SLB, too slow to stay at the weak side. DB's they should be good. So based on all that, how can you possibly say one guy, TO, can make that much of a difference.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I would say a happy Peters is an above average LT, much like Flozell. But we both know JP isn't happy, and I'm half assuming he's not on the roster when the season begins.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
7-9 again. They might be a tad better than they were in '08, but their schedule won't be as easy, and let's face it, a #### Jauron team is almost always pretty average (except for that one Bears season).
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
I'm not sure the o-line difference is as big as it looks here. Both are rather mediocre units. Flozell is starting to play like an old man.
Disagree here. I give the edge to both McGee and McKelvin.
Jauron is pretty bad, but so Is Phillips... that has to be a push.Interesting how you left off special teams... McKelvin and Parrish are elite options in the return game, and Moorman is a perennial pro-bowler.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
I give Buffalo an edge on the return game as Norwood has noted. However, on kicking I give the edge to the pair of Nick Folk (remember him from your first MNF game in years against Dallas...I do I was there). Mat McBriar is also a Pro Bowl punter.
Returning advantage Buffalo
Kicking game advantage Dallas
Special teams push.
Dallas is the better team and would win 60-65 times, if they played 100 times on a neutral field. My opinion only.
Returning advantage Buffalo
Kicking game advantage Dallas
Special teams push.
Dallas is the better team and would win 60-65 times, if they played 100 times on a neutral field. My opinion only.
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