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Peppers to the Patriots for a 2nd round pick? (1 Viewer)
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Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
If someone told you a year ago that the Pats would trade Cassel and Vrabel for Julius Peppers, you'd have them committed.
Insane what this team is able to do every year.
Insane what this team is able to do every year.
Itchy Amos
Footballguy
It isnt done yet, here is a quote from the linked article:
"According to league sources, the Patriots and Panthers are hoping to complete the deal at some point between the March 22-25 NFL owners meetings and the start of the draft on April 25."
That would be a nice addition, IMHO.
"According to league sources, the Patriots and Panthers are hoping to complete the deal at some point between the March 22-25 NFL owners meetings and the start of the draft on April 25."
That would be a nice addition, IMHO.
Banger
Footballguy
then sign F. Taylor, Galloway, etc.. They load up and get talent out of vets better than anyone.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
I'm surprised the Panthers can't get a better deal than that.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
And yet they haven't been able to win a Super Bowl in any of the last four NFL seasons.
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
A deal hasn't been done yet.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
what he said.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
ebcpastor2004
Footballguy
my analysis: un-freakin-real
If it's true what's being tossed around about BB stickin' it to McDaniels with the Cassel trade, this may be a preemptive strike since it's also being talked about here that Peppers could be sent to DEN for Cutler. It's probably all just crazy-talk anyway...
Can'tstandya PATs; but you kill with these FA moves
Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
Nobody's been talking about a Peppers for Cutler trade except Panthers homers with skewed perspective.
ebcpastor2004
Footballguy
like I said- only talked about here & probably crazy-talk anyway. This proves it.Nobody's been talking about a Peppers for Cutler trade except Panthers homers with skewed perspective.
my analysis: un-freakin-real
If it's true what's being tossed around about BB stickin' it to McDaniels with the Cassel trade, this may be a preemptive strike since it's also being talked about here that Peppers could be sent to DEN for Cutler. It's probably all just crazy-talk anyway...
Can'tstandya PATs; but you kill with these FA moves
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Sounds like the "source," if reliable at all, is on Carolina's side, hinting that it won't take an exorbitant price to get Peppers, so other teams should make offers.
Winston Wolfe
The Cleaner
If I were a betting man, I would not expect the Pats to extend Seymour's contract.After my initial glee wore off it hit me....How exactly is NE going to afford him?
Adebisi
Footballguy
I would tend to agree. The priority is (and should be) Vince Wilfork.ETA: Expect Seymour to have a career year.If I were a betting man, I would not expect the Pats to extend Seymour's contract.After my initial glee wore off it hit me....How exactly is NE going to afford him?
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Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Didn't they cvlear up some space by dealing Cassel and Vrabel ?
I know Springs, Bodden and Taylor cut into it,
but not that heavy.
I think Peppers would have do some sort of re-structure to make this thing feasible.
no ?
I know Springs, Bodden and Taylor cut into it,
but not that heavy.
I think Peppers would have do some sort of re-structure to make this thing feasible.
no ?
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
I think most Panther fans know that Jay Cutler is not Jerry Richardson and John Fox's type of guy.
Carver
Footballguy
That would likely be a given... but I had my doubts about them re-signing Seymour before this news broke. But even if they didn’t extend Seymour, or Wilfork, or Mankins, or Green... they still can't even afford to pay him (Peppers) even HALF of his 16m tag right now. They would have to trim some fat and then set him up with a Haynesworth type of deal. Huge bonus, low '09 base with the bulk of his bread coming due in '010 (banking on an uncapped season). If they were to do that, it's going to send out a clear signal to the league that yet another high roller intends to fully take advantage of the CBA "situation".If I were a betting man, I would not expect the Pats to extend Seymour's contract.After my initial glee wore off it hit me....How exactly is NE going to afford him?
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The word that comes to mind RE: the Patriots is "collusion".
Boston
Footballguy
This would not surprise me. If you look at the Patriots LB situation something has to give. Right now they have Mayo and Thomas as their only two definites. Bruschi has a little mileage left but he's far better suited as a role player. Guyton was a great pickup for an undrafted free agent but I'm not sure whether the Pats view him as a future starter. Crable is intriguing but still an unknown quantity. After that you have role players best suited for backup roles in Woods, Alexander and Banta Cain (and maybe Ruud). That means the Pats need to add at least one very good veteran (and possibly two) as well as picking up another quality prospect or two in the draft.
While everyone focuses on the Patriot secondary as their weak link last year I felt their pass rush was a bigger issue. Too many times they could not get anywhere near the QB which was one of the reasons they had major difficulty on third and long situations (see OT against the Jets). Adding Peppers would go a real long way towards rectifying the pass rush. IMO the Patriot D still has not recovered from the loss of Willie McGinest. He brought a dimension to their D that has been sorely missing (Thomas has helped but Willie just brought a little more kick butt attitude). Peppers (at least on paper) would finally make up for that loss. He would also gives guys like Thomas, Warren and Seymour that much more breathing room in pass rush situations as Peppers would be the focus of opposing defenses.
While this isn't a definite I think this addition makes a ton of sense. Whether it's adding Peppers or Jayson Taylor the Pats need to address their pass rush or they're going to have too much exposure in their pass defense. Also, from a physical size standpoint the Pats front seven would be very imposing. There would be some serious meat up front and with Peppers to go with Mayo it would be very athletic as well.
While everyone focuses on the Patriot secondary as their weak link last year I felt their pass rush was a bigger issue. Too many times they could not get anywhere near the QB which was one of the reasons they had major difficulty on third and long situations (see OT against the Jets). Adding Peppers would go a real long way towards rectifying the pass rush. IMO the Patriot D still has not recovered from the loss of Willie McGinest. He brought a dimension to their D that has been sorely missing (Thomas has helped but Willie just brought a little more kick butt attitude). Peppers (at least on paper) would finally make up for that loss. He would also gives guys like Thomas, Warren and Seymour that much more breathing room in pass rush situations as Peppers would be the focus of opposing defenses.
While this isn't a definite I think this addition makes a ton of sense. Whether it's adding Peppers or Jayson Taylor the Pats need to address their pass rush or they're going to have too much exposure in their pass defense. Also, from a physical size standpoint the Pats front seven would be very imposing. There would be some serious meat up front and with Peppers to go with Mayo it would be very athletic as well.
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pantherclub
Footballguy
If this is true then I think I am going to be sick.
Adebisi
Footballguy
I'm not sure this word means what you think it does.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
agreed with the last... if this transpires, perhaps seymour won't be with the club much longer (maybe as soon as 2010?)... than again, if the league goes uncapped, there could be a shift at a tectonic level, that could really change the league landscape...* haven't the owners vowed to not enter an uncapped season?& the possibility of a 2011 (?) work stoppage looms over this central issue, until & if a CBA agreement is hammered out in time (the owners also are dickering over disparate income of advantaged & disadvantaged populations, a thorny, divisive, polarizing issue... hard for BUF or JAX to make as much money on the side as DAL or WAS)...
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Adebisi
Footballguy
Perhaps both?
Adebisi
Footballguy
He wouldn't be the first guy to take less money to play for New England.
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Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
I doubt they add both.Peppers is a much better fit from a talent / health perspective.Not sure how he will fit into the Pats 3/4 scheme.
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Carver
Footballguy
Yeah...'09 is a contract year for Seymour, Wilfork, Mankins, and Green.
They have to find a way to extend Wilfork (unless they intend to tag him next year). Before this whole Peppers rumor came down, I had guessed they would likely extend Wilfork this year and then tag and trade Seymour next season as he will likely price himself out of range.
Seymour will command big dollars as he is still young and arguably the best pure 34 DE of this generation. With so many teams converting, he will be a hot commodity.
Adebisi
Footballguy
I'd say that it is unlikely, but not impossible. I think Taylor's best role at this point might be as a part-time player. Perhaps have him sharing time with Crable and/or Guyton, with Adalius Thomas switching back and forth between the inside and outside depending upon who else is on the field. Taylor might also take less money to play here and in that type of a role given his relationships with Brady and Belichick.Just a thought and total speculation on my part... on the other hand, New England may no longer be interested in someone who has shown less than 100% dedication to football over the past year or two.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
I think this shows that Taylor isn't a Belichick type of player.The 3/4 may not be used as much if Peppers is playing in NE.
munchkin
Footballguy
I thought Adalius Thomas was supposed to be Superman?This will be another disappointing big player signing by the Patriots. Why would the Panther let Peppers go if he was THE difference maker. The Pats have their difference maker; he wears #12. Too much money. What's Wilfork going to want now?Kraft never should have let Pioli go!!!!
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
So then he's going to make more than Tom Brady? That would be awkward.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Another disapointing player ?Where you been ?As far as SP goes, Scott paid his dues and went to KC most likely for more decision making power.Kraft was right to let him go, imo.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'm not sure this word means what you think it does.The word that comes to mind RE: the Patriots is "collusion".
Seems to fit to me. Collusion was just the first word that came to mind. Another, perhaps more accurate, is shenanigans.
Adebisi
Footballguy
I guess I don't see how that applies here...?I'm not sure this word means what you think it does.Seems to fit to me. Collusion was just the first word that came to mind. Another, perhaps more accurate, is shenanigans.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Bob,1st of all, great post as always from you. I think it is really sad that the owners don't realize they ahve a great thing and why rock the boat? With the economy the way it is and even an optimist has to think it will take years for thigns to return to normal...why rock the boat?This has been the era in the 2000s of workmanlike teams such as NE, PITT, NYG, INDY...and it seems like there are lots of teams that have been able to put a run together because of the way the league has been structured. Personally I think the league has been watered down a lot and unfortunately not all 32 teams can make equal amounts of money...but that doesn't stop teams like Pittsburgh for example to not stay competitive. Teams like Oakland, Cinci, Detroit...those teams are never gonna get it turned around they are currently run...and they don't deserve fan support, survival of the fittest.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Because Peppers for a 2nd doesn't seem to match any better than Cassell and Vrabel for a 2nd did.I guess I don't see how that applies here...?I'm not sure this word means what you think it does.Seems to fit to me. Collusion was just the first word that came to mind. Another, perhaps more accurate, is shenanigans.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
good point, & generally i would totally agree...peppers may be a difference of kind, & not just degree...brady is the best & took less (but did he take a LOT less?)moss took less, but he was older than peppers & coming off some horrific seasons in OAK...peppers is one of the best DEs in the game (with mario williams & jared allen?) & is in the prime of his career... if he wanted to hit the open market, he would almost certainly become one of the highest paid defenders in the league history... he might give up SOMETHING to have a better shot at super bowl (HoF?), but i don't foresee him taking a drastic haircut on his prospective future earnings... & anything, IN THE BALLPARK of what he could expect with a new contract, is going to impact the pats cap, now & in the future...this fits in so many ways...peppers said he wanted to go to a 3-4 (why, i have no idea? but he said it), so that narrowed the field... the pats have the ammo by manipulating previous drafts, drafting well & stockpiling picks to make a big move like this... what player WOULDN'T want to go to NE... & the pats have had a super bowl dry spell, & this is the kind of move that could get them over the hump, & put them in contention to possibly win a few more... add a player with the talent & athleticism of peppers, to what they already have, & its a move CAR might not make if NE was in the NFC?
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Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Since this is only (in theory) costing a 2nd round pick, it might be best to let Peppers play only for 2009's guaranteed money in NE. Unless they really think he's worth $80 mil or whatever.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
good points, though i wonder if seymour's recent injury history will impact on belichick's decision to keep him or not... & what kind of salary he could command? at least peppers seems to be a bit cleaner in his recent medical history... but i agree with everything you said about seymour being a stud, & the greatest 3-4 DL of his generation...* BTW, i see some speculation that peppers might play LB? its possible on a limited basis... he is athletic enough to do that (sheesh, he is probably athletic enough to play NT & than CB on some snaps!
)... but i think at his size he would be an ideal 3-4 DE (he can can arguably wreak more havoc closer to the QB from the DL... not sure if he has the shot out of a cannon short area burst & quickness that james harrison does, which enable him to get to the QB from the LB position... i realize sometimes harrison lines up so close to the LOS, he is interchangeable with the DL... in this case, i could see peppers taking limited positions from a hybrid "LB" spot), is a proven 4-3 DE (& belichick is a master of mixing it up from game to game, & even within games), & i could see him play some 4-3 DT, ala seymour at times (which may have been an uncredited inspiration for the giants using tuck & other DEs inside, on obvious pass rush situations)...
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ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
This is where it gets weird.Mario Williams cost the Texans the first overall pick in the draft, and Jared Alled cost the Vikes 2 first rounders. Peppers is at least equal to these two - probably better. He is not old - still has potentially 4-6 great seasons left. Why would he only cost a 2nd, when those other two cost so much more?
If Carolina lets him go for a 2nd round pick, they seem to me like they are getting raped based upon the value that the elite players at this position have demanded in past trades. He would essentially be going for roughly what a 30+ year old uncommitted dancing-boy Jason Taylor went for last season.
I find this rumor difficult to fathom.
