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Your opinion on the job that President Obama is doing so far (1 Viewer)
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Strongly disapprove.
But then I'm sure nobody's surprised by that.
But then I'm sure nobody's surprised by that.
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
WAT?
Death Bytes
Footballguy
I've been saying that a lot in past 9 weeks.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Can I get a list of what he's actually done so far?
RDT
Footballguy
Leno and he got a nice NCAA bracket
corpcow
Footballguy
There is something that pains me to see people "strongly disapproving" of Obama and yet somehow we voted Bush into office twice. In a lot of ways I guess it's to be expected given the monumental expectations for Obama, but when you look at the state of the things when he took over, I mean, come on. Did we really just expect that little from Bush?
I have friends here in NYC (many in the financial industry) 1) complaining about bailouts (many of which saved their jobs), 2) complaining about "all the new taxes", and 3) complaining about the state of the economy.
Just out of curiosity - for those of you who disapprove, what would you have had him do instead? And what about his administration so far is it that you disapprove of most?
(For the record, I voted mildly approve, as I think there are certain situations he could have handled better)
I have friends here in NYC (many in the financial industry) 1) complaining about bailouts (many of which saved their jobs), 2) complaining about "all the new taxes", and 3) complaining about the state of the economy.
Just out of curiosity - for those of you who disapprove, what would you have had him do instead? And what about his administration so far is it that you disapprove of most?
(For the record, I voted mildly approve, as I think there are certain situations he could have handled better)
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Show that he recognizes that even though certain elements of the private sector are to blame for our current state, that not ALL is to blame and that they still hold the key to our recovery.As a corollary, recognize that certain elements of government ARE to blame for our current state and that government isn't the ONLY answer to our problems.I think Geithner has been a disaster and the more that he hints of government intruding into the private sector the worse things will continue to get.
8 posts before we got the "How can you be against Obama if you liked Bush" defense. Well done.
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FairWarning
Footballguy
I don't like the mindset he has instilled into the American people that we should look to government for help.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Statorama
gangster
Same here, but I'm not one of the 53% that voted for him.He could still surprise me, but thus far he's more of a spender than Bush ever was...and I hated Bush.
Statorama
gangster
Another
One of the things I'm surprised he hasn't been on top of is the selection of appointees. Geithner is basically running the show on his own, and that's just not right. Give the man some help.Be the man of character and conviction that he said he was during the campaign. It's been completely absent and he looks just like any other politician already. At some point it would be nice to have a person of character in the office, but it looks like this broken electoral system makes that impossible now.
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avoiding injuries
Footballguy
It's like dating a girl that just got out of a long term, unhealthy relationship. Whenever you do something wrong (that she doesn't like), you remind her of the way things were in the past relationship.Sad, really.
Mad Cow
Welshers and Dawdlers Beware!
Those 2 things above and flung our country in communism, Comrade KRS.Obama has been a total ###### for the country so far, and they can no longer blame a thing on Bush. So glad I am in Utah right now, where conservatism reigns supreme.
corpcow
Footballguy
Uh, no. 1) I'm not sure you got that right - I wouldn't expect many Bush supporters to be supporters of Obama, and vice versa.2) I didn't "defend" Obama, and in fact I said I think there are situations he could have handled better. Political lines aside, there has been strong disapproval for Bush's administration, the point where he's been called the worst president ever. So, my point was about expectations - did we just expect more from Obama that we all strongly disapprove? Or are we just ignoring the circumstances that led us to our current predicament? 3) I posed a number of questions to engage in a dialogue on what you thought he could/should have done differently, which you chose not to answer.
Lord of the Rings
Footballguy
Obama likes to have plenty of face time. He seems pretty intent on promoting his Superstar Savior status. A legion of worshipers in the media combined with the "someone other than Bush" herd mentality of the general public has created the perfect storm.
It concerned me before the election. It concerns me even more now.
It concerned me before the election. It concerns me even more now.
corpcow
Footballguy
Perhaps ironically, many economists agree that nationalization of (some of) the banks would have been the best answer in the short term - and provide the best possible returns for the taxpayers - but that was a political pill no one wanted to swallow. I still fail to see how anyone can "no longer blame a thing on Bush". The situation we're in wasn't manufactured overnight and is the result of a lot of things - not the least of which is poor regulatory oversight, unchecked greed, lack of accountability. These stem back into the Bush and even Clinton administrations. I do find it funny listening to the capitalists on Wall St begging for the bailouts - the same ones who I hear complain about taxes etc. Real capitalism means you let the weak companies fail - but they change their tune when it's their survival.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Didn't vote for him and I voted 'Neutral.'
It's only been 2 f'in months!
It's only been 2 f'in months!
MasterofOrion
Footballguy
Do you have an opinion on his first 2 months? Or time will tell?
More like you dump a whore that is cheating on you and has herpes, and talk about how great your new cheating whore is because she doesn't have herpes. And every time one of your buddies reminds you that she's still a cheating whore, you use the cheating whore with herpes as a basis for comparison to explain how terrific she really is.If Obama was so terrific, his supporters wouldn't need to keep bringing up the cheating whore with herpes. He'd prove to be terrific on his own merits.
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SteevieG
Footballguy
flysack
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
Obama could give the wealthy a big tax break, expel all immigrants (legal or illegal), cut off welfare to all citizens, bleach his skin white (ala Michael Jackson) and you would still be calling him a blouse or whatever your dumb one syllable word of the week is.Just pathetic
Follows Closely
Footballguy
Come on, he campaigned on that theme, it is no surprise.
Obama could murder several citizens in broad daylight and a number of people here would try and compare it to the war in Iraq. So, it's fair enough.Obama could give the wealthy a big tax break, expel all immigrants (legal or illegal), cut off welfare to all citizens, bleach his skin white (ala Michael Jackson) and you would still be calling him a blouse or whatever your dumb one syllable word of the week is.Just pathetic
Fallerjw
Footballguy
Brutis
Footballguy
Game, blousesObama could give the wealthy a big tax break, expel all immigrants (legal or illegal), cut off welfare to all citizens, bleach his skin white (ala Michael Jackson) and you would still be calling him a blouse or whatever your dumb one syllable word of the week is.Just pathetic
RBM
Footballguy
corpcow
Footballguy
Sigh. I should have known better than to dip my toes in a political discussion in the FFA. I forgot rational discourse was simply not possible.Obama could murder several citizens in broad daylight and a number of people here would try and compare it to the war in Iraq. So, it's fair enough.Obama could give the wealthy a big tax break, expel all immigrants (legal or illegal), cut off welfare to all citizens, bleach his skin white (ala Michael Jackson) and you would still be calling him a blouse or whatever your dumb one syllable word of the week is.Just pathetic
shining path
:prettyplease:
Generally happy with his performance. A little shaky with the appointments. But I can't say I strongly approve because the unholy amount of dollars he's spending. It's frightening. So I said "mildly approve".
Brutis
Footballguy
Just pathetic
flysack
Footballguy
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Did you miss the "so far" part of the question?
Finless
Footballguy
Seriously, maybe I'm missing something. My mind is WIDE open.
corpcow
Footballguy
Uh, ok, so you don't like politicians then? In any case, I think you're mixing up analogies. Who mentioned herpes? Is that new Godwin's Law?And please note, I didn't say he was "so terrific", that he was doing a perfect job, or even that I believe in many of the things he's done so far. I just find it curious that so many are willing to put the blame entirely on the new administration when clearly the problems go back well more than 2 months. Especially with expectations going in, he was kind of effed either way... dealt a ####ty hand, and anything he does is going to piss someone off.And so back to my serious question - for those who "seriously disapprove" of Obama, did you approve of the job that Bush did?
Death Bytes
Footballguy
Going off of THIS I approve of the former more than the later.To be clear, Bush sucked as a fiscal conservative. So I didn't approve of the fiscal numbers he produced. But to blame Bush for the numbers Obama is producing is bullcrap. How in the world does the fed have the money for a $700 billion down payment on a government health care plan? The government just spent $1.5 trillion on bailouts (both Bush and Obama... note it wasn't just Bush). Now is not the time for $700 billion projects. The guy operates like it's impossible for the country to go bankrupt. We're not!
tommyboy
Footballguy
can we get away from the partisan bickering for a second and just stick to the question at hand. We don't have to get into the petty stuff.
here's my take. I didn't vote for him. But after he was elected I was hoping he'd show some promise of actually performing in a way that lived up remotely to the hype surroounding his "historic" election and a new "post partisan" way of getting things done. But in actuality the very first thing he accomplished in office was to target the opposition and ram through a completely partisan massive spending package. The famous quote "I won" as he told the Republican caucus they could get on board or sit it out. That's fine, after all he did win, but if you're going to say one thing and do another, don't complain if it blows up in your face. I've seen a lot of that from the Obama team, a lot of announcing one thing to the media, while doing another thing in reality. IN this regard, he's no different than any other politician, he's calculating and scheming and playing the game. So one of the ideas of his election is completely meaningless at this point.
As for him being a performer, someone that leads effectively and sets a good tone for the nation, so far I've seen a lot of amateurism and fingerpointing, a lot of telling us how dire the economy is then coming out after the stimulus bill passed and saying "maybe its not that bad". It seems like he's more concerned about passing his agenda through scare tactics and fearmongering than actually doing whats best for the country. For that I see him as no different than **** Cheney talking about nukes over Washington DC. So far i"d give his administration an F.
here's my take. I didn't vote for him. But after he was elected I was hoping he'd show some promise of actually performing in a way that lived up remotely to the hype surroounding his "historic" election and a new "post partisan" way of getting things done. But in actuality the very first thing he accomplished in office was to target the opposition and ram through a completely partisan massive spending package. The famous quote "I won" as he told the Republican caucus they could get on board or sit it out. That's fine, after all he did win, but if you're going to say one thing and do another, don't complain if it blows up in your face. I've seen a lot of that from the Obama team, a lot of announcing one thing to the media, while doing another thing in reality. IN this regard, he's no different than any other politician, he's calculating and scheming and playing the game. So one of the ideas of his election is completely meaningless at this point.
As for him being a performer, someone that leads effectively and sets a good tone for the nation, so far I've seen a lot of amateurism and fingerpointing, a lot of telling us how dire the economy is then coming out after the stimulus bill passed and saying "maybe its not that bad". It seems like he's more concerned about passing his agenda through scare tactics and fearmongering than actually doing whats best for the country. For that I see him as no different than **** Cheney talking about nukes over Washington DC. So far i"d give his administration an F.
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bostonfred
Footballguy
So I'm supposed to believe that ALL of the conservatives strongly disapprove, AND that the people whose taxes he's raising think that he shouldn't raise THEIR taxes? This poll proves everything we never knew!
pinequick
Footballguy
So you would advocate cutting spending in a recession? Interesting...
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
Mad Cow
Welshers and Dawdlers Beware!
And will you hear any govt officials taking it back to Clinton right now? No, they feel they can just say "Bush's fault" to any damn thing they want right now and be justified to do whatever they feel right. This joke of a Treasury secretary asking Congress for rights that are so very unconstitutional is just the tip of the iceberg to the socialist hell this government is trying to lead us down, and the instead of giving any real reason, they just blame Bush and move on when they were EVERY bit as guilty for what happened.
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