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Tornacl

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Per the National Football Post, the Browns have a standing offer on the table that they're likely to accept of Brady Quinn for a first round pick.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/0...-make-a-splash/

I hope that it is the Lions with their second pick in the first. Obviously, the Lions have big holes everywhere, but this would allow them to take either Smith or Monroe with the first pick, get their franchise QB with their second pick (which they wouldn't be able to do otherwise), and address the defense with their other picks. It would be a good move on their part, which is why I fully expect it not to happen.

Just for fun, who do you think/hope it is?

 
As a Calvin Johnson owner, I hope not. I would rather roll the dice with Stafford's big arm than Quinn who favored the dink and dunk to his TE over any deep passes.

 
Quinn almost dropped out of the first round during his draft. Why would anyone give a 1st now when he hasn't really shown THAT much?

 
Tornacl said:
Per the National Football Post, the Browns have a standing offer on the table that they're likely to accept of Brady Quinn for a first round pick.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/0...-make-a-splash/

I hope that it is the Lions with their second pick in the first. Obviously, the Lions have big holes everywhere, but this would allow them to take either Smith or Monroe with the first pick, get their franchise QB with their second pick (which they wouldn't be able to do otherwise), and address the defense with their other picks. It would be a good move on their part, which is why I fully expect it not to happen.

Just for fun, who do you think/hope it is?
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As I understand this, this is part you and part NFP. In your scenario, correct me if I'm wrong, that is a pick they gave to the Cowboys to get Quinn coming right back to them, right?But one problem with losing franchises in the NFL is their inability to move forward or notice the lack of improvement. This would mean that they've had a good QB for a couple years and got nothing out of him W-L wise and they're back to having an inexperienced player(whoever they pick). Consequently I'd bet there's hundreds of Browns fans that know many rooks they could have taken instead of Quinn that are solid players for their team now.

I remember lots of Anderson Quinn threads here and I think it's apparent they didn't handle this well. Keep in mind they had two covetted QBs(anderson coming off fine year and Quinn a promising prospect) at the time.

Winslow is gone, what did they get for him? for one of the best young TEs the NFL has ever seen?(really not much to choose from as most aren't good early on)

Braylon to Giants talks, what will they get?

Plus and this is just the cherry on top for me, one former Patriot DC that has spent much of his career with Bellichick had been replaced with another former Patriot DC (that the first used to teach the system to) and the latter one is making wholesale changes for "his guys".

For whatever reason, progress is very difficult for some franchises-a word a concept they simply don't understand

 
God I hope it's not Detroit. I have been adamant about Detroit NOT drafting Stafford, but I would rather they draft Stafford than trade for Quinn. I just don't see him more than a dink-and-dunk-type QB in the NFL.

How about we trade #20 for Edwards, and draft Stafford, and have Stafford throwing to Edwards and Johnson? Yeah, I could live with that...

 
Quinn is a solid QB and will be a nice addition to any team that has a need for QB. Personally I hope he gets traded BAD......cause Cleveland is gonna suck forever and his career would be much better if he left there. I would rather he not be a LION but if would be better than Clev.

I bet he is a Redskin.

 
Sinrman said:
God I hope it's not Detroit. I have been adamant about Detroit NOT drafting Stafford, but I would rather they draft Stafford than trade for Quinn. I just don't see him more than a dink-and-dunk-type QB in the NFL.

How about we trade #20 for Edwards, and draft Stafford, and have Stafford throwing to Edwards and Johnson? Yeah, I could live with that...
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1. The Lions received pick 20 for Roy Williams2. The Lions trade pick 20 for Braylon Edwards

So they basically trade one underachieving WR for another? :confused:

They really need to add a playmaker on D with that pick.

 
Teams with expressed QB need/desire to upgrade:

DET (If they don't love Stafford)

MIN (although they backed out of the Cutler sweepstakes after being one of the forces that started them)

NYJ (This makes a lot of sense)

WAS (vote of no confidence in Campbell)

TB (although Leftwich was just signed)

SF (although #10 might be too high)

JAX (although #8 might be too high)

DEN (satisfied with Orton?)

SEA, CAR, STL all have long term QB need, but they are either picking way too high/don't have a first to offer to be the team in these talks.

Anyone have any ideas on possible surprise teams?

 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Teams with expressed QB need/desire to upgrade:

DET (If they don't love Stafford)

MIN (although they backed out of the Cutler sweepstakes after being one of the forces that started them)

NYJ (This makes a lot of sense)

WAS (vote of no confidence in Campbell)

TB (although Leftwich was just signed)

SF (although #10 might be too high)

JAX (although #8 might be too high)

DEN (satisfied with Orton?)

SEA, CAR, STL all have long term QB need, but they are either picking way too high/don't have a first to offer to be the team in these talks.

Anyone have any ideas on possible surprise teams?
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You stole my thunder Sigmund!
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Teams with expressed QB need/desire to upgrade:

DET (If they don't love Stafford)

MIN (although they backed out of the Cutler sweepstakes after being one of the forces that started them)

NYJ (This makes a lot of sense)

WAS (vote of no confidence in Campbell)

TB (although Leftwich was just signed)

SF (although #10 might be too high)

JAX (although #8 might be too high)

DEN (satisfied with Orton?)

SEA, CAR, STL all have long term QB need, but they are either picking way too high/don't have a first to offer to be the team in these talks.

Anyone have any ideas on possible surprise teams?
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How is Jax on this list? Is that because of need or desire? If it's for desire, is it because they were in the Cutler sweepstakes or something else I've missed? If it's need, I'm not quite understanding that considering that Garrard has done just fine the last 2 yrs under center and he's locked up in a recent long-term deal signed just last year. Factor in the fact that it's the #8 overall and I think you can safely remove them from the list. Is there something I'm missing?
 
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Not buying it. First of all, I've never heard of the National Football Post.

Second, I really don't believe any team will offer a #1 for Quinn. He completed 50.6% of his passes last year and 49.5% for his career. He's shown no ability to throw a deep ball and has just generally done nothing to indicate he is worthy of a #1 pick. He had one decent game throwing to Winslow over-and-over against a Denver team missing all of its starting linebackers.

Third, if some team had offered a #1 for Quinn the Browns would have already accepted.

If NFP actually has sources (and I doubt it), they're probably people from the Browns hoping to drive up Quinn's value.

 
gianmarco said:
Sigmund Bloom said:
Teams with expressed QB need/desire to upgrade:

DET (If they don't love Stafford)

MIN (although they backed out of the Cutler sweepstakes after being one of the forces that started them)

NYJ (This makes a lot of sense)

WAS (vote of no confidence in Campbell)

TB (although Leftwich was just signed)

SF (although #10 might be too high)

JAX (although #8 might be too high)

DEN (satisfied with Orton?)

SEA, CAR, STL all have long term QB need, but they are either picking way too high/don't have a first to offer to be the team in these talks.

Anyone have any ideas on possible surprise teams?
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How is Jax on this list? Is that because of need or desire? If it's for desire, is it because they were in the Cutler sweepstakes or something else I've missed? If it's need, I'm not quite understanding that considering that Garrard has done just fine the last 2 yrs under center and he's locked up in a recent long-term deal signed just last year. Factor in the fact that it's the #8 overall and I think you can safely remove them from the list. Is there something I'm missing?
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They are on the list because there is alot of buzz about them liking Sanchez. Might be a smoke screen but the buzz is there. I cant see any team giving a top 15 pick for Quinn.

 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Teams with expressed QB need/desire to upgrade:

DET (If they don't love Stafford)

MIN (although they backed out of the Cutler sweepstakes after being one of the forces that started them)

NYJ (This makes a lot of sense)

WAS (vote of no confidence in Campbell)

TB (although Leftwich was just signed)

SF (although #10 might be too high)

JAX (although #8 might be too high)

DEN (satisfied with Orton?)

SEA, CAR, STL all have long term QB need, but they are either picking way too high/don't have a first to offer to be the team in these talks.

Anyone have any ideas on possible surprise teams?
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Wow, I like Quinn well enough but IMO, any team giving up a top 10 pick is crazy. Top 15 would be questionable even... For me, I'm looking at teams between 15-32 and that leaves:NYJ (#17) - Makes a lot of sense if they a) like Quinn better than Freeman, and/or b) think Freeman won't be there at #17... I'm assuming Sanchez is long gone by this pick at this point.

DEN (#18) - Brady to Denver won't go away and if they don't think they can get Sanchez at #12 (or trade up for him), Quinn could be their consolation prize.

DET (#20) - Logical suitor if they're not enamored with Stafford at #1 and don't think they can get Sanchez or Freeman at #20

MIN (#22) - Makes the most sense to me, not only did they miss out on Cutler but he ended up in their division. Cutler would've cost them this pick and then some, whereas Quinn could probably be had straight up for it. At #22 their chances of having one of the top 3 QBs fall to them seems slim at this point. I really think this is where the offering is likely coming from... Assuming it's even true and not just hype by CLE to up interest in Quinn.

ARZ (#31) - I could also see a team like Arizona offering up their low 1st knowing that Leinart isn't the future and that Warner is a short term solution.

 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Not buying it. First of all, I've never heard of the National Football Post. Second, I really don't believe any team will offer a #1 for Quinn. He completed 50.6% of his passes last year and 49.5% for his career. He's shown no ability to throw a deep ball and has just generally done nothing to indicate he is worthy of a #1 pick. He had one decent game throwing to Winslow over-and-over against a Denver team missing all of its starting linebackers. Third, if some team had offered a #1 for Quinn the Browns would have already accepted. If NFP actually has sources (and I doubt it), they're probably people from the Browns hoping to drive up Quinn's value.
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Mike Lombardi is a long time NFL exec, and he regularly appears on NFL network, he definitely has sources.
 
I never understood the logic of stuff like Leftwich signed so it can't be the Bucs. Free agency has been going on for quite a while and he just got a deal? We're talking about a team giving up a 1st round pick here. I've seen this logic many times, the Broncos sign JJ Arrington so now they won't draft a RB, the Vikings got Sage now they're all set at QB, the 49ers pick up Brandon Jones so now they're great at WR. How does adding a scrub to a team make it impossible a team drafts or signs an upgrade?

I would venture to say if the Detroit Lions picked up Trent Green or Jamie Martin we'd hear people say there's no way they'll draft Stafford, I just don't get the logic of any of this.

 
Crippler said:
gianmarco said:
Sigmund Bloom said:
Teams with expressed QB need/desire to upgrade:

DET (If they don't love Stafford)

MIN (although they backed out of the Cutler sweepstakes after being one of the forces that started them)

NYJ (This makes a lot of sense)

WAS (vote of no confidence in Campbell)

TB (although Leftwich was just signed)

SF (although #10 might be too high)

JAX (although #8 might be too high)

DEN (satisfied with Orton?)

SEA, CAR, STL all have long term QB need, but they are either picking way too high/don't have a first to offer to be the team in these talks.

Anyone have any ideas on possible surprise teams?
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How is Jax on this list? Is that because of need or desire? If it's for desire, is it because they were in the Cutler sweepstakes or something else I've missed? If it's need, I'm not quite understanding that considering that Garrard has done just fine the last 2 yrs under center and he's locked up in a recent long-term deal signed just last year. Factor in the fact that it's the #8 overall and I think you can safely remove them from the list. Is there something I'm missing?
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They are on the list because there is alot of buzz about them liking Sanchez. Might be a smoke screen but the buzz is there. I cant see any team giving a top 15 pick for Quinn.
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Bingo. could be BS, but there's a lot of buzz about Jacksonville loving Sanchez
 
I think the buzz about Jacksonville taking Sanchez is a smokescreen. I think Jax is trying to get either the 49ers or Jets to trade up to #8 to take Sanchez and Jax picks up some additional picks for moving down. If Jax moves down to #10 where the 49ers are, its not much of a gamble since GB will probably go defence, that way Jax could still get a WR if the WR is there at #8.

Christopher

 
Jets make the most sense to me. Their spot in the 1st round, need for a QB that can play right away (I think this team can compete right now).

But: I was thinking about how much I wouldn't mind seeing the Raiders trade down, and use the new, later 1st rounder in a Braylon trade (And I am a Crabtree guy).

And it occured to me that it could work for Quinn as well.

I wouldn't discount any team that might be in the market for a QB because their pick is too high. San Fran is the one that jumps out to me. Jax as well, but I just don't buy the QB talk from them.

And the back half of the top 10 seems like a nice spot to move up to. Sanchez, Raji, Andre Smith, Orakpo, even Oher (around 8-12). I could see any of those players being worthy of a team that wants to trade up, as I think after the top tier of 10-12 players, there's a drop-off, and teams picking 35 might very well get guys rated as well as guys going 15-20. I am not impressed with the 2nd half of the 1st round this year. Or maybe I just like the 2nd rounders.

But if San Fran is determined to change the QB situation, and can add another 1st rounder, or a 2 and a 3, AND get Quinn, I cannot see too many people that would find fault with a move like that. Except maybe Quinn bashers (which I am). But if the options are Sanchez or Quinn and extra Day 1 picks, I take the Quinn deal.

Just a thought.

God, I love trade talk that has no basis in reality.

 
Tornacl said:
Per the National Football Post, the Browns have a standing offer on the table that they're likely to accept of Brady Quinn for a first round pick.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/0...-make-a-splash/

I hope that it is the Lions with their second pick in the first. Obviously, the Lions have big holes everywhere, but this would allow them to take either Smith or Monroe with the first pick, get their franchise QB with their second pick (which they wouldn't be able to do otherwise), and address the defense with their other picks. It would be a good move on their part, which is why I fully expect it not to happen.

Just for fun, who do you think/hope it is?
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I found this the other day. It seems to be appropriate under the circumstances.
April 6, 2009

The following quotes are from NFL scouts, coaches and front-office personnel, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

….

-“(Browns GM George) Kokinis is clueless. He had little to no negotiating experience before he took the job, and he is not decisive at all. He is running the organization like he read how to be a GM out of a book. Who offers all of their players to be traded! With this group running the show the way they are now, they will not make it as long as the last group did. It’s a joke.”
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http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+W...udibles2402.htm
 
This begs two questions in my mind.

1. I always thought Brady Quinn had potential, but the Browns must really disagree if they are willing to deal him and roll with Derek Anderson... who was awful last eyar; and has a career completion % of 54 (not good to say the least).

2. If they do deal Quinn, could a QB be the pick at #5? After Curry is off the board, is there another defensive player worth a top five pick? Maybe Sanchez is the pick.

 
Quinn to Jets. Browns take Sanchez with #5. If the Browns were smart, this wouldn't go down before draft day [i.e. Sanchdez must be there at 5]

I think it makes a ton of sense for both teams. I'd take Quinn over Freeman.

 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Teams with expressed QB need/desire to upgrade:

DET (If they don't love Stafford)

MIN (although they backed out of the Cutler sweepstakes after being one of the forces that started them)

NYJ (This makes a lot of sense)

WAS (vote of no confidence in Campbell)

TB (although Leftwich was just signed)

SF (although #10 might be too high)

JAX (although #8 might be too high)

DEN (satisfied with Orton?)

SEA, CAR, STL all have long term QB need, but they are either picking way too high/don't have a first to offer to be the team in these talks.

Anyone have any ideas on possible surprise teams?
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That'd be my guess. They need an accurate QB who can keep the chains moving when need be. They are going to be a run the ball, play good defense team and Quinn could be very good in that role.Detroit giving up #20 is the only other one that makes sense to me, but I think they'd be more likely to hang onto their picks than the Jets since they are rebuilding where the Jets may be a playoff contender.

 
millertyme1 said:
Quinn to Jets. Browns take Sanchez with #5. If the Browns were smart, this wouldn't go down before draft day [i.e. Sanchdez must be there at 5]I think it makes a ton of sense for both teams. I'd take Quinn over Freeman.
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I think that would be a terrible move by Cleveland. QB shouldn't even be on their draft board at the #5 pick no matter who was there.
 
Quinn goes to the Jets and Mike Greenburg and Mike Golic have a big long bro-hug being doused with confetti to celebrate, while both Whitney Houston's "I will always love you" and Enrique Iglesias's "I can be your Hero" both play in the background.

 
millertyme1 said:
Quinn to Jets. Browns take Sanchez with #5. If the Browns were smart, this wouldn't go down before draft day [i.e. Sanchdez must be there at 5]I think it makes a ton of sense for both teams. I'd take Quinn over Freeman.
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Does it make sense financially to have to pay out Quinn's remaining bonus money and sign Sanchez to a top 5 salary? That is a huge gamble for a QB that has only played 17 games.
 
osubuckeyeman said:
...Brady fits the system in Denver and with the Weiss connection to the coaching staff and system, makes sense....
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Weiss inherited Quinn he did not recruit him. Did Quinn operate a spread offense at Notre Dame? Weiss is not McDaniels. I don't see the connection that people are constantly making here.
 
travdogg said:
millertyme1 said:
Quinn to Jets. Browns take Sanchez with #5. If the Browns were smart, this wouldn't go down before draft day [i.e. Sanchdez must be there at 5]I think it makes a ton of sense for both teams. I'd take Quinn over Freeman.
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I think that would be a terrible move by Cleveland. QB shouldn't even be on their draft board at the #5 pick no matter who was there.
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I can't imagine the Browns paying Anderson the $9.5 million he's owed in 2010. They must address QB if Quinn's dealt. The only QB's in this draft I view as upgrades to Quinn are Sanchez and Stafford. I think Sanchez will be as good as Carson Palmer with some time on the pine. I view Sanchez as far and away the best QB in this draft. FWIW I have the same question on Sam Bradford (arm strength at the next level) as Quinn does now so I certainly wouldn't wait a year. I would take Sanchez over any QB set to enter the league in the next 2 years.-----------------I don't think Quinn brings anything more to the table than Kyle Orton [and IMO Denver should and will be going defense early and often in the draft]
 
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Sigmund Bloom said:
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Not buying it. First of all, I've never heard of the National Football Post. Second, I really don't believe any team will offer a #1 for Quinn. He completed 50.6% of his passes last year and 49.5% for his career. He's shown no ability to throw a deep ball and has just generally done nothing to indicate he is worthy of a #1 pick. He had one decent game throwing to Winslow over-and-over against a Denver team missing all of its starting linebackers. Third, if some team had offered a #1 for Quinn the Browns would have already accepted. If NFP actually has sources (and I doubt it), they're probably people from the Browns hoping to drive up Quinn's value.
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Mike Lombardi is a long time NFL exec, and he regularly appears on NFL network, he definitely has sources.
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I believe that this is the same publication that said a few months ago that the Giants were about to sign Eli Manning to a long term extension and there was another eronious report that I can't quite remember. I know every outlet will have bad information on a story from time to time, but I don't remember the National Football Post getting one right.
 
two_dollars said:
Quinn goes to the Jets and Mike Greenburg and Mike Golic have a big long bro-hug being doused with confetti to celebrate, while both Whitney Houston's "I will always love you" and Enrique Iglesias's "I can be your Hero" both play in the background.
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:goodposting: No doubt.
 
osubuckeyeman said:
LarryAllen said:
This begs two questions in my mind.

1. I always thought Brady Quinn had potential, but the Browns must really disagree if they are willing to deal him and roll with Derek Anderson... who was awful last eyar; and has a career completion % of 54 (not good to say the least).

2. If they do deal Quinn, could a QB be the pick at #5? After Curry is off the board, is there another defensive player worth a top five pick? Maybe Sanchez is the pick.
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There is a ton of options for the Browns. Orakpo, Beanie, Sanchez, Crabtree, E. Brown, Jenkins. All of these players should be ava.

Quinn could get good value for the Browns. I could see the Browns rolling with Anderson and signing a vet to back him up and looking for a franchise QB in year 2 of the new coaching staff.

I think the Qb's next year could be better and maybe they are thinking about looking to the future there. I mean they seem to be getting rid of everyone!!!! The rumor is they don't like Quinn for some reason. I do think they get more bang for their buck with Quinn then Anderson. I would be worried if I was a Brown's fan, but then again I'm a Bengals fan...LOL.
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They must really not like him for this to happen because he's the hometown boy they traded a 1st and the #36 pick to get him.
 
Avery said:
Sigmund Bloom said:
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Not buying it. First of all, I've never heard of the National Football Post. Second, I really don't believe any team will offer a #1 for Quinn. He completed 50.6% of his passes last year and 49.5% for his career. He's shown no ability to throw a deep ball and has just generally done nothing to indicate he is worthy of a #1 pick. He had one decent game throwing to Winslow over-and-over against a Denver team missing all of its starting linebackers. Third, if some team had offered a #1 for Quinn the Browns would have already accepted. If NFP actually has sources (and I doubt it), they're probably people from the Browns hoping to drive up Quinn's value.
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Mike Lombardi is a long time NFL exec, and he regularly appears on NFL network, he definitely has sources.
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I believe that this is the same publication that said a few months ago that the Giants were about to sign Eli Manning to a long term extension and there was another eronious report that I can't quite remember. I know every outlet will have bad information on a story from time to time, but I don't remember the National Football Post getting one right.
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Here's two.Lombardi was the 1st to report Peyton Manning had a 2nd knee surgery this summer. He also was one of the 1st to predict the release of TO. Before Scheft & Glazer
 
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Lombardi's been saying from the beginning that the new staff isn't in love with either Quinn or Anderson. He seems to have a good source within Cleveland.

 
That locker room is going to be a mess if they can't trade him. You lose your coach, you watch your team sell low on one of its best players, then you watch them try to trade one of its QBs, fail, and have them compete for the job. I'm no Mangini fan but he's going to have his hands full trying to keep that locker room from fracturing before the season, let alone getting them to buy into his system.

 
Avery said:
I believe that this is the same publication that said a few months ago that the Giants were about to sign Eli Manning to a long term extension and there was another eronious report that I can't quite remember. I know every outlet will have bad information on a story from time to time, but I don't remember the National Football Post getting one right.
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I'd be skeptical at first of any new source to me too. I think in time you'll think favorably of Lombardi's crew over there
 
RC94 said:
Tornacl said:
PahtyTom said:
Quinn > Stafford by a mile
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I think the Lions would be much better off going Jason Smith (or Monroe) + Quinn, than Stafford and whoever they'd get at #20.
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I agree, but it has more to do with Jason Smith vs. anyone they can get at #20 than Quinn vs. Stafford IMO.
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True. I just don't want them drafting Stafford. Not that I don't think Stafford could be a good NFL QB, I just don't think he can be good if he's drafted by the Lions. I hope they're serious about starting with the lines and building from there, because I think that's the key to success in the NFL. I would be just as happy if they waited until next year to look for their "franchise QB." They haven't had one since the mid 1950s, so waiting one more year isn't a big deal. But they've never invested in their O-line, which is why they've never had a good line OR a franchise QB during that time.
 
If Quinn gets dealt, Sanchez better be our #5 pick...and we better not plan on starting him before the end of the season after we our comfortably out of playoff contention.

 
two_dollars said:
Quinn goes to the Jets and Mike Greenburg and Mike Golic have a big long bro-hug being doused with confetti to celebrate, while both Whitney Houston's "I will always love you" and Enrique Iglesias's "I can be your Hero" both play in the background.
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:goodposting:
 
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LarryAllen said:
I always thought Brady Quinn had potential, but the Browns must really disagree if they are willing to deal him and roll with Derek Anderson... who was awful last eyar; and has a career completion % of 54 (not good to say the least).
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Anderson did have a bad season last year... but it's not like Quinn performed well. They were equally bad. And, while unimpressive, Anderson's career completion percentage is better than Quinn's.At least Anderson has a 10-5 season under his belt as a starter... a season in which he threw 29 TDs and made the Pro Bowl. It's not much, but it's a lot more than Quinn has.
 
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