Pre-Draft Rookie Skill Position Rankings (1 Viewer)

Just a thread for anyone who wants to list their rankings. Comments aren't necessary, but welcome.

Mine, minus comments for now.

QB:

1) M Stafford

2) M Sanchez

3) J Freeman

4) P White

5) N Davis

6) S McGee

7) C Painter

8) R Bomar

9) D Willy

10) B Hoyer

RB:

1) K Moreno

2) D Brown

3) C Wells

4) L McCoy

5) C Peerman

6) S Green

7) M Goodson

8) R Jennings

9) K Sheets

10) A Brown

11) G Johnson

12) D Moore

13) J Davis

14) J Williams

15) J Johnson

WR:

1) M Crabtree

2) H Nicks

3) D Heyward-Bey

4) J Maclin

5) K Britt

6) P Harvin

7) B Tate

8) M Thomas

9) J Dillard

10) B Robiskie

11) D Williams

12) A Collie

13) D Butler

14) K McKinnley

15) S Stroughter

16) L Murphy

17) J Inglesias

18) R Barden

19) M Wallace

20) D Edison

TE:

1) B Pettigrew

2) J Cook

3) S Nelson

4) J Casey

5) T Beckum

6) C Coffman

7) C Ingram

8) D Drew

9) C Morrah

10) R Purvis

Looks pretty good for the most part.

I think you're missing the boat on Shonn Greene. It's hard for me to imagine him busting in the NFL. Of all the RBs in the draft, he probably looks like the safest pick. Moreno is close, but his borderline measurables have me a little worried.

I'm not a Donald Brown fan, but his combine numbers offer strong cause for optimism.

The hardest part of evaluating this group for me has been ranking the WRs. The top 5 is pretty much set in stone, but I've been shuffling them around throughout the process. I think Harvin is better than you're giving him credit for. He's one of the best skill position athletes in the draft. He moves better than Britt, Maclin, and Nicks. He's not as fast as DHB, but he's quicker.

ConstruxBoy said:

WR:1) M Crabtree2) H Nicks3) D Heyward-Bey4) J Maclin

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Interesting.

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EBF said:

Looks pretty good for the most part. I think you're missing the boat on Shonn Greene. It's hard for me to imagine him busting in the NFL. Of all the RBs in the draft, he probably looks like the safest pick. Moreno is close, but his borderline measurables have me a little worried.I'm not a Donald Brown fan, but his combine numbers offer strong cause for optimism. The hardest part of evaluating this group for me has been ranking the WRs. The top 5 is pretty much set in stone, but I've been shuffling them around throughout the process. I think Harvin is better than you're giving him credit for. He's one of the best skill position athletes in the draft. He moves better than Britt, Maclin, and Nicks. He's not as fast as DHB, but he's quicker.

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I know you're a big fan of Harvin, but what about all these character issues? You're not worried about that at all?

BeTheMatch said:

EBF said:

Looks pretty good for the most part. I think you're missing the boat on Shonn Greene. It's hard for me to imagine him busting in the NFL. Of all the RBs in the draft, he probably looks like the safest pick. Moreno is close, but his borderline measurables have me a little worried.I'm not a Donald Brown fan, but his combine numbers offer strong cause for optimism. The hardest part of evaluating this group for me has been ranking the WRs. The top 5 is pretty much set in stone, but I've been shuffling them around throughout the process. I think Harvin is better than you're giving him credit for. He's one of the best skill position athletes in the draft. He moves better than Britt, Maclin, and Nicks. He's not as fast as DHB, but he's quicker.

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I know you're a big fan of Harvin, but what about all these character issues? You're not worried about that at all?

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Character should be a consideration, but I think you have to draw a distinction between guys who have attitude problems and guys who are felonies waiting to happen. Harvin is known to be a little bit of a diva, but he has always practiced hard and given maximum effort on gamedays. I don't see him as someone who's destined to end up in prison. He's just an immature kid spoiled by the fact that he's been treated as a legend since high school.Bottom line is I would rather gamble on someone with freak talent and attitude problems than a mediocre Boy Scout.

This is as always a work in progress. I am ranking for FF potential not how good I think the players will be in the NFL. I don't feel comfortable ranking deeper than this as I have not read as much about the other players. Obviously the NFL draft will change my perspective on these somewhat.

QB:

1) M Stafford

2) M Sanchez

3) J Freeman

4) N Davis

5) C Painter

6) P White

RB:

1) C Wells

2) K Moreno

3) D Brown

4) S Green

5) R Jennings

6) C Peerman

7) A Brown

8) L McCoy

9) K Sheets

10) J Davis

WR:

1) M Crabtree

2) D Heyward-Bey

3) J Maclin

4) P Harvin

5) H Nicks

6) K Britt

7) B Robiskie

TE:

1) J Casey

2) J Cook

3) B Pettigrew

ETA - These are not PPR rankings

Andy Dufresne said:

ConstruxBoy said:

WR:1) M Crabtree2) H Nicks3) D Heyward-Bey4) J Maclin

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Interesting.

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I'm bigger on floors for WRs than ceilings, for the most part. So I value Nicks more than most would and think Maclin needs some work with route running. I also think I probably have some slot WRs like Thomas, Butler, etc higher than most because of the importance of the floor. This is because it seems to me that lots of WRs that "have a high ceiling" usually have a pretty big flaw that isn't corrected at the NFL level. Like:"He's got great hands, but he's a little slow" - Mike Williams"He's fast as heck, but needs to work on his hands" - Troy Williamson"He's got great open field moves, but has to learn to run routes" - Ted Ginnetc. Just seems to make more sense to take the higher floor guys at that position.

EBF said:

Looks pretty good for the most part. I think you're missing the boat on Shonn Greene. It's hard for me to imagine him busting in the NFL. Of all the RBs in the draft, he probably looks like the safest pick. Moreno is close, but his borderline measurables have me a little worried.I'm not a Donald Brown fan, but his combine numbers offer strong cause for optimism. The hardest part of evaluating this group for me has been ranking the WRs. The top 5 is pretty much set in stone, but I've been shuffling them around throughout the process. I think Harvin is better than you're giving him credit for. He's one of the best skill position athletes in the draft. He moves better than Britt, Maclin, and Nicks. He's not as fast as DHB, but he's quicker.

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Yeah, I'm not as high on Green or Harvin as most. For Harvin, as I said in another post, I prefer high floors in WRs. I just keeping having Ted Ginn flashbacks with him, and to be fair I do still have Ginn on a dynasty team, where the WR is fast, athletic, etc but he'll learn how to run routes or play like a WR in the NFL. And no, I'm not comparing his game to Ginn at all. Just the expectations. Green is someone who is safe, but unlike WRs, I like higher ceilings in most of my RBs. So I like guys like McCoy, Peerman, Moore who might be great, rather than the safer Rudi Johnson types.

Biabreakable said:

This is as always a work in progress. I am ranking for FF potential not how good I think the players will be in the NFL. I don't feel comfortable ranking deeper than this as I have not read as much about the other players. Obviously the NFL draft will change my perspective on these somewhat. QB:1) M Stafford2) M Sanchez3) J Freeman4) N Davis5) C Painter6) P WhiteRB:1) C Wells2) K Moreno3) D Brown4) S Green5) R Jennings6) C Peerman7) A Brown8) L McCoy9) K Sheets10) J DavisWR:1) M Crabtree2) D Heyward-Bey3) J Maclin4) P Harvin5) H Nicks6) K Britt7) B RobiskieTE:1) J Casey2) J Cook3) B Pettigrew

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Thanks Bia!

ConstruxBoy said:

EBF said:

Looks pretty good for the most part.

I think you're missing the boat on Shonn Greene. It's hard for me to imagine him busting in the NFL. Of all the RBs in the draft, he probably looks like the safest pick. Moreno is close, but his borderline measurables have me a little worried.

I'm not a Donald Brown fan, but his combine numbers offer strong cause for optimism.

The hardest part of evaluating this group for me has been ranking the WRs. The top 5 is pretty much set in stone, but I've been shuffling them around throughout the process. I think Harvin is better than you're giving him credit for. He's one of the best skill position athletes in the draft. He moves better than Britt, Maclin, and Nicks. He's not as fast as DHB, but he's quicker.

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Yeah, I'm not as high on Green or Harvin as most. For Harvin, as I said in another post, I prefer high floors in WRs. I just keeping having Ted Ginn flashbacks with him, and to be fair I do still have Ginn on a dynasty team, where the WR is fast, athletic, etc but he'll learn how to run routes or play like a WR in the NFL. And no, I'm not comparing his game to Ginn at all. Just the expectations. Green is someone who is safe, but unlike WRs, I like higher ceilings in most of my RBs. So I like guys like McCoy, Peerman, Moore who might be great, rather than the safer Rudi Johnson types.

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If Green can produce like Rudi Johnson in his prime, you have a top 5 fantasy back for several years. I will take that any day over the McCoys and Moore's where there is more of a bust factor.I am hearing alot of Green/Rudi Johnson comparisons and can't understand why that is a negative!?!? Wasn't Rudi Johnson considered one of the best fantasy RB's for several years??

MY TOP 40 dynasty prospects - adjusted for PPR scoring

Tier 1 (ELITE) - (players ranked 1 through 4,and individually ranked within position)

RB Moreno

WR Crabtree

Tier 1b: Special Tier for the top QBs - (see note)

QBs: 1. Stafford 2. Sanchez

(note: QBs are much more boom/bust than either RB or WRs, and QBs generally do best when they have two or 3 years to 'ripen'. Some dynasty players place a high premium on taking a 1st round QB like Stafford or Sanchez with strong franchise potential, because if they hit, they've got the position covered for years. Therefore, I created a special category (Tier 1b) for those who must take projected "franchise" QBs in dynasty.

Tier 2 (9 players ranked 5 through 13, and individually ranked within position)

RBs: 1. D.Brown 2. Peerman

WRs: 1. Nicks 2. DHB 3. Robiskie 4. Harvin 5. Maclin 6. M. Thomas

QB: Freeman

Tier 3: (12 players ranked 14 through 25, and individually ranked within position)

RBs: 1. McCoy 2. Wells 3. Jennings

WRs: 1. Britt 2. Dillard 3. Tate 4. Knox 5. Collie

QB: N. Davis

TEs: 1. Cook 2. Nelson 3. Casey

(note: With the addition this years strong class, the NFL has become saturated with talented TEs. Therefore the TE position is now much more situation-oriented than talent oriented at this point. And you can pick up a quality TE much later in your draft. For these reasons, I started off the top ranked TEs in Tier 3.)

Tier 4: 1 (15players ranked 26 through 40, and individually ranked within position)

RBs: 1. A Brown 2. Scott 3. Goodson 4. G. Johnson 5. Greene 6. Sheets

Wrs: 1. Guice 2. Butler 3. Murphy 4. Wallace 5. Simmons 6. Strouther 7. Iglesius

QB: White

TE: Coffman

EBF said:

BeTheMatch said:

EBF said:

Looks pretty good for the most part. I think you're missing the boat on Shonn Greene. It's hard for me to imagine him busting in the NFL. Of all the RBs in the draft, he probably looks like the safest pick. Moreno is close, but his borderline measurables have me a little worried.I'm not a Donald Brown fan, but his combine numbers offer strong cause for optimism. The hardest part of evaluating this group for me has been ranking the WRs. The top 5 is pretty much set in stone, but I've been shuffling them around throughout the process. I think Harvin is better than you're giving him credit for. He's one of the best skill position athletes in the draft. He moves better than Britt, Maclin, and Nicks. He's not as fast as DHB, but he's quicker.

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I know you're a big fan of Harvin, but what about all these character issues? You're not worried about that at all?

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Character should be a consideration, but I think you have to draw a distinction between guys who have attitude problems and guys who are felonies waiting to happen. Harvin is known to be a little bit of a diva, but he has always practiced hard and given maximum effort on gamedays. I don't see him as someone who's destined to end up in prison. He's just an immature kid spoiled by the fact that he's been treated as a legend since high school.Bottom line is I would rather gamble on someone with freak talent and attitude problems than a mediocre Boy Scout.

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Randy Moss; TO; Chad Ocho; Great WRs often are divas. It doesn't bother me a bit and I don't think most coaches care as long as the guy brings a winning attitude.

Rodeojones said:

ConstruxBoy said:

EBF said:

Looks pretty good for the most part.

I think you're missing the boat on Shonn Greene. It's hard for me to imagine him busting in the NFL. Of all the RBs in the draft, he probably looks like the safest pick. Moreno is close, but his borderline measurables have me a little worried.

I'm not a Donald Brown fan, but his combine numbers offer strong cause for optimism.

The hardest part of evaluating this group for me has been ranking the WRs. The top 5 is pretty much set in stone, but I've been shuffling them around throughout the process. I think Harvin is better than you're giving him credit for. He's one of the best skill position athletes in the draft. He moves better than Britt, Maclin, and Nicks. He's not as fast as DHB, but he's quicker.

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Yeah, I'm not as high on Green or Harvin as most. For Harvin, as I said in another post, I prefer high floors in WRs. I just keeping having Ted Ginn flashbacks with him, and to be fair I do still have Ginn on a dynasty team, where the WR is fast, athletic, etc but he'll learn how to run routes or play like a WR in the NFL. And no, I'm not comparing his game to Ginn at all. Just the expectations. Green is someone who is safe, but unlike WRs, I like higher ceilings in most of my RBs. So I like guys like McCoy, Peerman, Moore who might be great, rather than the safer Rudi Johnson types.

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If Green can produce like Rudi Johnson in his prime, you have a top 5 fantasy back for several years. I will take that any day over the McCoys and Moore's where there is more of a bust factor.I am hearing alot of Green/Rudi Johnson comparisons and can't understand why that is a negative!?!? Wasn't Rudi Johnson considered one of the best fantasy RB's for several years??

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Rudi was a consensus top 20 FF player for a few seasons. If you can get that out of your first round rookie pick then you're doing pretty well for yourself. I think Greene has that potential. We need to see where he lands on draft day. Situation will be important since some teams might view him as more of a RBBC type.

EBF said:

Rodeojones said:

ConstruxBoy said:

EBF said:

Looks pretty good for the most part.

I think you're missing the boat on Shonn Greene. It's hard for me to imagine him busting in the NFL. Of all the RBs in the draft, he probably looks like the safest pick. Moreno is close, but his borderline measurables have me a little worried.

I'm not a Donald Brown fan, but his combine numbers offer strong cause for optimism.

The hardest part of evaluating this group for me has been ranking the WRs. The top 5 is pretty much set in stone, but I've been shuffling them around throughout the process. I think Harvin is better than you're giving him credit for. He's one of the best skill position athletes in the draft. He moves better than Britt, Maclin, and Nicks. He's not as fast as DHB, but he's quicker.

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Yeah, I'm not as high on Green or Harvin as most. For Harvin, as I said in another post, I prefer high floors in WRs. I just keeping having Ted Ginn flashbacks with him, and to be fair I do still have Ginn on a dynasty team, where the WR is fast, athletic, etc but he'll learn how to run routes or play like a WR in the NFL. And no, I'm not comparing his game to Ginn at all. Just the expectations. Green is someone who is safe, but unlike WRs, I like higher ceilings in most of my RBs. So I like guys like McCoy, Peerman, Moore who might be great, rather than the safer Rudi Johnson types.

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If Green can produce like Rudi Johnson in his prime, you have a top 5 fantasy back for several years. I will take that any day over the McCoys and Moore's where there is more of a bust factor.I am hearing alot of Green/Rudi Johnson comparisons and can't understand why that is a negative!?!? Wasn't Rudi Johnson considered one of the best fantasy RB's for several years??

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Rudi was a consensus top 20 FF player for a few seasons. If you can get that out of your first round rookie pick then you're doing pretty well for yourself. I think Greene has that potential. We need to see where he lands on draft day. Situation will be important since some teams might view him as more of a RBBC type.

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I'm not a huge Shon Greene fan but I think Rudi is his ceiling and that he will be ok in non PPR. But this was a PPR ranking, so I ranked him near the bottom of a dozen RBs - exactly for the same reason I never liked Rudi in PPR - and I don;t EVER remember Rudi being a top 20 PPR league player. I don't ever see Greene catching many passes out of the backfield, and at this point he can't be trusted to stay in on 3rd downs and pass block. So I'll take a pass on Greene.

madd futher said:

EBF said:

Rodeojones said:

ConstruxBoy said:

EBF said:

Looks pretty good for the most part.

I think you're missing the boat on Shonn Greene. It's hard for me to imagine him busting in the NFL. Of all the RBs in the draft, he probably looks like the safest pick. Moreno is close, but his borderline measurables have me a little worried.

I'm not a Donald Brown fan, but his combine numbers offer strong cause for optimism.

The hardest part of evaluating this group for me has been ranking the WRs. The top 5 is pretty much set in stone, but I've been shuffling them around throughout the process. I think Harvin is better than you're giving him credit for. He's one of the best skill position athletes in the draft. He moves better than Britt, Maclin, and Nicks. He's not as fast as DHB, but he's quicker.

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Yeah, I'm not as high on Green or Harvin as most. For Harvin, as I said in another post, I prefer high floors in WRs. I just keeping having Ted Ginn flashbacks with him, and to be fair I do still have Ginn on a dynasty team, where the WR is fast, athletic, etc but he'll learn how to run routes or play like a WR in the NFL. And no, I'm not comparing his game to Ginn at all. Just the expectations. Green is someone who is safe, but unlike WRs, I like higher ceilings in most of my RBs. So I like guys like McCoy, Peerman, Moore who might be great, rather than the safer Rudi Johnson types.

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If Green can produce like Rudi Johnson in his prime, you have a top 5 fantasy back for several years. I will take that any day over the McCoys and Moore's where there is more of a bust factor.I am hearing alot of Green/Rudi Johnson comparisons and can't understand why that is a negative!?!? Wasn't Rudi Johnson considered one of the best fantasy RB's for several years??

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Rudi was a consensus top 20 FF player for a few seasons. If you can get that out of your first round rookie pick then you're doing pretty well for yourself. I think Greene has that potential. We need to see where he lands on draft day. Situation will be important since some teams might view him as more of a RBBC type.

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I'm not a huge Shon Greene fan but I think Rudi is his ceiling and that he will be ok in non PPR. But this was a PPR ranking, so I ranked him near the bottom of a dozen RBs - exactly for the same reason I never liked Rudi in PPR - and I don;t EVER remember Rudi being a top 20 PPR league player. I don't ever see Greene catching many passes out of the backfield, and at this point he can't be trusted to stay in on 3rd downs and pass block. So I'll take a pass on Greene.

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I'd rather have a guy who's just a RB2 in FF leagues than a guy who's an NFL scrub. I think Greene will outperform almost all of the backs you have listed ahead of him, but we're all entitled to our own opinions.

Rodeojones said:

ConstruxBoy said:

EBF said:

Looks pretty good for the most part.

I think you're missing the boat on Shonn Greene. It's hard for me to imagine him busting in the NFL. Of all the RBs in the draft, he probably looks like the safest pick. Moreno is close, but his borderline measurables have me a little worried.

I'm not a Donald Brown fan, but his combine numbers offer strong cause for optimism.

The hardest part of evaluating this group for me has been ranking the WRs. The top 5 is pretty much set in stone, but I've been shuffling them around throughout the process. I think Harvin is better than you're giving him credit for. He's one of the best skill position athletes in the draft. He moves better than Britt, Maclin, and Nicks. He's not as fast as DHB, but he's quicker.

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Yeah, I'm not as high on Green or Harvin as most. For Harvin, as I said in another post, I prefer high floors in WRs. I just keeping having Ted Ginn flashbacks with him, and to be fair I do still have Ginn on a dynasty team, where the WR is fast, athletic, etc but he'll learn how to run routes or play like a WR in the NFL. And no, I'm not comparing his game to Ginn at all. Just the expectations. Green is someone who is safe, but unlike WRs, I like higher ceilings in most of my RBs. So I like guys like McCoy, Peerman, Moore who might be great, rather than the safer Rudi Johnson types.

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If Green can produce like Rudi Johnson in his prime, you have a top 5 fantasy back for several years. I will take that any day over the McCoys and Moore's where there is more of a bust factor.I am hearing alot of Green/Rudi Johnson comparisons and can't understand why that is a negative!?!? Wasn't Rudi Johnson considered one of the best fantasy RB's for several years??

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I don't know that he was top 5 those three years. And as has been said, that's his ceiling. I'd say more of a poor man's Rudi Johnson. And as has been said, he takes a dip in PPR leagues, as Rudi did. Anyway, I prefer more boom/bust/upside at the RB position than safe. I prefer more safe at the WR position than boom/bust/upside. Just my approach. :X

ConstruxBoy said:

I don't know that he was top 5 those three years. And as has been said, that's his ceiling. I'd say more of a poor man's Rudi Johnson.

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I don't agree with the statement that Rudi is his ceiling. I think his floor is LenDale White and his ceiling is Stephen Davis or Michael Turner. He'll produce if he gets carries. If he goes to a team without an entrenched starter, he can be top 10-15 next season.

EBF said:

ConstruxBoy said:

I don't know that he was top 5 those three years. And as has been said, that's his ceiling. I'd say more of a poor man's Rudi Johnson.

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I don't agree with the statement that Rudi is his ceiling. I think his floor is LenDale White and his ceiling is Stephen Davis or Michael Turner. He'll produce if he gets carries. If he goes to a team without an entrenched starter, he can be top 10-15 next season.

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I just disagree that his floor is White. I watched the highlights you linked and I thought he looked sort of average. But we'll certainly see. Any word on what teams are looking at him?

EBF said:

Rodeojones said:

ConstruxBoy said:

EBF said:

Looks pretty good for the most part.

I think you're missing the boat on Shonn Greene. It's hard for me to imagine him busting in the NFL. Of all the RBs in the draft, he probably looks like the safest pick. Moreno is close, but his borderline measurables have me a little worried.

I'm not a Donald Brown fan, but his combine numbers offer strong cause for optimism.

The hardest part of evaluating this group for me has been ranking the WRs. The top 5 is pretty much set in stone, but I've been shuffling them around throughout the process. I think Harvin is better than you're giving him credit for. He's one of the best skill position athletes in the draft. He moves better than Britt, Maclin, and Nicks. He's not as fast as DHB, but he's quicker.

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Yeah, I'm not as high on Green or Harvin as most. For Harvin, as I said in another post, I prefer high floors in WRs. I just keeping having Ted Ginn flashbacks with him, and to be fair I do still have Ginn on a dynasty team, where the WR is fast, athletic, etc but he'll learn how to run routes or play like a WR in the NFL. And no, I'm not comparing his game to Ginn at all. Just the expectations. Green is someone who is safe, but unlike WRs, I like higher ceilings in most of my RBs. So I like guys like McCoy, Peerman, Moore who might be great, rather than the safer Rudi Johnson types.

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If Green can produce like Rudi Johnson in his prime, you have a top 5 fantasy back for several years. I will take that any day over the McCoys and Moore's where there is more of a bust factor.I am hearing alot of Green/Rudi Johnson comparisons and can't understand why that is a negative!?!? Wasn't Rudi Johnson considered one of the best fantasy RB's for several years??

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Rudi was a consensus top 20 FF player for a few seasons. If you can get that out of your first round rookie pick then you're doing pretty well for yourself. I think Greene has that potential. We need to see where he lands on draft day. Situation will be important since some teams might view him as more of a RBBC type.

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Don't you worry about his poor Bench Press? 19 reps for a guy who is a big power back doesn't seem impressive. While it would be fine if he were an elusive or speed back, it gives me pause when a big guy doesn't show alot of measurable strength.

ConstruxBoy said:

EBF said:

ConstruxBoy said:

I don't know that he was top 5 those three years. And as has been said, that's his ceiling. I'd say more of a poor man's Rudi Johnson.

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I don't agree with the statement that Rudi is his ceiling. I think his floor is LenDale White and his ceiling is Stephen Davis or Michael Turner. He'll produce if he gets carries. If he goes to a team without an entrenched starter, he can be top 10-15 next season.

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I just disagree that his floor is White. I watched the highlights you linked and I thought he looked sort of average. But we'll certainly see. Any word on what teams are looking at him?

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No worries. It's just a disagreement of opinion. I'm not trying to de-rail your thread.As for Greene, I heard San Diego likes him. He'd be a bit of a reach with their first pick though.

az_prof said:

EBF said:

Rodeojones said:

ConstruxBoy said:

EBF said:

Looks pretty good for the most part.

I think you're missing the boat on Shonn Greene. It's hard for me to imagine him busting in the NFL. Of all the RBs in the draft, he probably looks like the safest pick. Moreno is close, but his borderline measurables have me a little worried.

I'm not a Donald Brown fan, but his combine numbers offer strong cause for optimism.

The hardest part of evaluating this group for me has been ranking the WRs. The top 5 is pretty much set in stone, but I've been shuffling them around throughout the process. I think Harvin is better than you're giving him credit for. He's one of the best skill position athletes in the draft. He moves better than Britt, Maclin, and Nicks. He's not as fast as DHB, but he's quicker.

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Yeah, I'm not as high on Green or Harvin as most. For Harvin, as I said in another post, I prefer high floors in WRs. I just keeping having Ted Ginn flashbacks with him, and to be fair I do still have Ginn on a dynasty team, where the WR is fast, athletic, etc but he'll learn how to run routes or play like a WR in the NFL. And no, I'm not comparing his game to Ginn at all. Just the expectations. Green is someone who is safe, but unlike WRs, I like higher ceilings in most of my RBs. So I like guys like McCoy, Peerman, Moore who might be great, rather than the safer Rudi Johnson types.

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If Green can produce like Rudi Johnson in his prime, you have a top 5 fantasy back for several years. I will take that any day over the McCoys and Moore's where there is more of a bust factor.I am hearing alot of Green/Rudi Johnson comparisons and can't understand why that is a negative!?!? Wasn't Rudi Johnson considered one of the best fantasy RB's for several years??

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Rudi was a consensus top 20 FF player for a few seasons. If you can get that out of your first round rookie pick then you're doing pretty well for yourself. I think Greene has that potential. We need to see where he lands on draft day. Situation will be important since some teams might view him as more of a RBBC type.

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Don't you worry about his poor Bench Press? 19 reps for a guy who is a big power back doesn't seem impressive. While it would be fine if he were an elusive or speed back, it gives me pause when a big guy doesn't show alot of measurable strength.

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You break tackles with your legs, not your arms. Running backs need strong legs. They don't need strong arms. Reggie Bush did 24 reps of 225 at his pro day and he can't power through an NFL tackle to save his life.Greene has the best frame out of this year's top backs. He's a squatty 5'10" 227 pounds. He cranked out vertical jumps of 37" and 39" along with broad jumps of 10'1" and 10'5" at his combine and pro day respectively. He's also the best tackle breaker in the RB group when you watch the games. There's plenty of pop in those legs.

EBF said:

ConstruxBoy said:

EBF said:

ConstruxBoy said:

I don't know that he was top 5 those three years. And as has been said, that's his ceiling. I'd say more of a poor man's Rudi Johnson.

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I don't agree with the statement that Rudi is his ceiling. I think his floor is LenDale White and his ceiling is Stephen Davis or Michael Turner. He'll produce if he gets carries. If he goes to a team without an entrenched starter, he can be top 10-15 next season.

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I just disagree that his floor is White. I watched the highlights you linked and I thought he looked sort of average. But we'll certainly see. Any word on what teams are looking at him?

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No worries. It's just a disagreement of opinion. I'm not trying to de-rail your thread.As for Greene, I heard San Diego likes him. He'd be a bit of a reach with their first pick though.

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No problem. I'm interested to see how he does.

* = value as returner

QB

1. Mark Sanchez

2. Matt Stafford

3. Josh Freeman

4. Pat White (WR?)

5. Nate Davis

6. Rhett Bomar

7. Curtis Painter

8. Graham Harrell

9. John Parker Wilson

10. Hunter Cantwell

RB

1. Knowshon Moreno

2. Chris Wells

3. Donald Brown

4. Shonn Greene

5. LeSean McCoy

6. Rashad Jennings

7. Javon Ringer

8. James Davis

9. Cedric Peerman*

10. Andre Brown

11. Kory Sheets

12. Glenn Coffee

13. Mike Goodson

14. Jeremiah Johnson

15. Arian Foster

WR

1. Michael Crabtree

2. Jeremy Maclin*

3. Percy Harvin*

4. Kenny Britt

5. Hakeem Nicks

6. Brian Robiskie

7. Brandon Tate*

8. Darius Heywood-Bey

9. Ramses Barden

10. Juaquin Iglesias

11. Louis Murphy

12. Derrick Williams

13. Mohamed Massaquoi

14. Jarrett Dillard

15. Austin Collie

16. Mike Thomas

17. Johnny Knox

18. Brandon Gibson

19. Patrick Turner

20. Demetrius Byrd

TE

1. Brandon Pettigrew

2. Jared Cook

3. Chase Coffman

4. Shawn Nelson

5. Cornelius Ingram

I would post some but my draft is 9 days away as we draft the first 16 picks before NFL starts and their are lurkers around here

I like Biabreakable list the best though of the ones posted. Not how mine would go exactly but certainly the closest.

az_prof said:

EBF said:

Rodeojones said:

ConstruxBoy said:

EBF said:

Looks pretty good for the most part.

I think you're missing the boat on Shonn Greene. It's hard for me to imagine him busting in the NFL. Of all the RBs in the draft, he probably looks like the safest pick. Moreno is close, but his borderline measurables have me a little worried.

I'm not a Donald Brown fan, but his combine numbers offer strong cause for optimism.

The hardest part of evaluating this group for me has been ranking the WRs. The top 5 is pretty much set in stone, but I've been shuffling them around throughout the process. I think Harvin is better than you're giving him credit for. He's one of the best skill position athletes in the draft. He moves better than Britt, Maclin, and Nicks. He's not as fast as DHB, but he's quicker.

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Yeah, I'm not as high on Green or Harvin as most. For Harvin, as I said in another post, I prefer high floors in WRs. I just keeping having Ted Ginn flashbacks with him, and to be fair I do still have Ginn on a dynasty team, where the WR is fast, athletic, etc but he'll learn how to run routes or play like a WR in the NFL. And no, I'm not comparing his game to Ginn at all. Just the expectations. Green is someone who is safe, but unlike WRs, I like higher ceilings in most of my RBs. So I like guys like McCoy, Peerman, Moore who might be great, rather than the safer Rudi Johnson types.

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If Green can produce like Rudi Johnson in his prime, you have a top 5 fantasy back for several years. I will take that any day over the McCoys and Moore's where there is more of a bust factor.I am hearing alot of Green/Rudi Johnson comparisons and can't understand why that is a negative!?!? Wasn't Rudi Johnson considered one of the best fantasy RB's for several years??

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Rudi was a consensus top 20 FF player for a few seasons. If you can get that out of your first round rookie pick then you're doing pretty well for yourself. I think Greene has that potential. We need to see where he lands on draft day. Situation will be important since some teams might view him as more of a RBBC type.

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Don't you worry about his poor Bench Press? 19 reps for a guy who is a big power back doesn't seem impressive. While it would be fine if he were an elusive or speed back, it gives me pause when a big guy doesn't show alot of measurable strength.

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I'm not high on him but the bench number doesn't mean much to me. I'll take lower body and core strength over chest and arm strength any day in a RB. To me it's like rating an O-lineman on his 40 time. There might be a slight correlation between pectoral and tricep strength and the ability to secure the ball in a pile or stiff arm a tackler but I think if that kind of deficiency exists in a player, it would be showing up in game film and you don't have to depend on the combine bench press performance to suddenly discover it.Edited to add: After more thought, bicep strength would have more to do with ball security than would tricep strength.

Pre-Draft Rankings. These will change dramatically with the situation the players are draftes, so I am okay with my league mate knowing what I think at the moment.

QB:

1) Matt Sanchez

2) Josh Freeman

3) Matt Stafford

4) Pat White

5) Stephen McGee

6) Rhett Bomar

7) Graham Harrell

8) Nate Davis

9) Curtis Painter

10) Drew Willy

11) John Parker Wilson

12) Chase Daniel

RB:

1) Knowshon Moreno

2) Donald Brown

3) Beanie Wells

4) LeSean McCoy

5) Shonn Green

6) Andre Brown

7) Cedric Peerman

8) Rashad Jennings

9)Javon Ringer

10 ) Kory Sheets

11)Glen Coffee

12) Mike Goodson

13 Javarriss Williams

14) Gartrell Johnson

15) James Davis

16) Ian Johnson

17) Arian Foster

18) Bernard Scott

19)Jeremiah Johnson

20) Marlon Lucky

WR:

1) Michael Crabtree

2) Hakeem Nicks

3) Percy Harvin

4) Jeremy Maclin

5) Kenny Britt

6) Brian Robiskie

7) Brandon Tate

8) Darrius Heyward-Bay

9) Mike Thomas

10) Jarrett Dillard

11) Juaquin Iglesias

12) Johnny Knox

13) Kenny McKinnley

14) Austin Collie

15) Louis Murphy

16 Mohamed Massaquoi

17) Patrick Turner

18) Ramses Barden

19) Mike Wallace

20) Brooks Foster

TE:

1) James Casey

2) Shawn Nelson

3) Brandon Pettigrew

4) Jared Cook

5) Clint Ingram

6) Travis Beckum

7) Chase Coffman

8) Richard Quinn

9) Brian Mandeville

10) Branden Ledbetter

Crippler said:

I would post some but my draft is 9 days away as we draft the first 16 picks before NFL starts and their are lurkers around hereI like Biabreakable list the best though of the ones posted. Not how mine would go exactly but certainly the closest.

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I think most people posting rankings here know a lot more about college players than I do. What I do try to focus on is what players have a real chance to be starter material in the NFL and in Fantasy. My lists are smaller because of this and also because of not having as much info on the lower rated players. My list won't help you find sleepers but I don't think I missed anyone obvious.My list is not for PPR so possesion WR are less attractive than players who can score.I don't like the herb rumours about Harvin but on the right team I can see him having a similar role to Welker with a lot of slot action and WR screens. If he doesen't get drafted to a team that I see using him this way he will fall back on my list quite a bit.Thanks to coolnerd and zadok for their rankings. I hope more people will be willing to post their rankings and maybe we can put together some sort of an average ranking based on that.I am not so worried about others getting any info from my rankings. Anything that might generate trade interest for my teams would be a good thing. My lists are not overall so I don't think that helps anyone steal any picks from me. No one knows if I have a RB or WR ranked 1st or what order I would have them in overall.

I'll only rank a few for each position

QB:

1) Matthew Stafford

2) Mark Sanchez

3) Josh Freeman

4) Pat White

RB:

1) Beanie Wells

2) Knowshon Moreno

3) Donald Brown

4) LeSean McCoy

5) Shonn Green

6) Rashad Jennings

7) Andre Brown

8) Cedric Peerman

WR:

1) Hakeem Nicks

2) Jeremy Maclin

3) Michael Crabtree

4) Brian Robiskie

5) Kenny Britt

6) Darrius Heyward-Bay - ranked this high purely on potential. He's a high bust risk

7) Brandon Tate

8) Percy Harvin - Drops because of smoking weed and his overall character is not good

9) Jarrett Dillard

10) Mike Thomas

TE:

1) James Casey

2) Jared Cook

3) Brandon Pettigrew

4) Shawn Nelson

Thanks Johny for putting those out there.

Of course strux boy's rankings are golden. Hard to improve on perfection.

QB:

1) Mark Sanchez - I think long-term he's better, but he might take an extra year to get there. Still, on talent alone, I love the guy.

2) Matthew Stafford - Stafford's solid, I just worry about his intermittent accuracy and footwork.

3) Nate Davis - despite his disability, I'm sold on his accuracy and release

4) Josh Freeman - struggles too much with intermediate/deep accuracy, but tough and good in the pocket

5) Pat White - I think he's a QB, size be damned.

6) Rhett Bomar - Provided he's able to corral his talent in the next couple of years, could wind up pretty good.

RB:

1) Knowshon Moreno - he's an everydown back with toughness, vision, quickness, blocking ability, catching ability..my clear #1 and the best bet to produce immediately.

2) Beanie Wells - can't ignore his talent, and I think the fragility/heart concerns are unwarranted.

3) Cedric Peerman - his stock keeps rising. Best kept secret in the draft, right here. Everything I see about him or from him just makes me like him more.

4) Donald Brown - I think his skill is underrated, but he's very well-rounded. I think he'd be a great fit in AZ, much more than the oft-projected McCoy.

5) LeSean McCoy - He's too raw to be higher, but his athleticism is amazing. I think he'll disappoint if he's made a starter immediately.

6) Shonn Greene - power, good feet, quick, better vision than people think. I think he'll be very solid.

7) Rashad Jennings - I'm afraid he might be a finesse player in a power body that might struggle against higher competition. Hard to say.

8) Andre Brown - this is based on the combine and word of mouth. =p

9) Gartrell Johnson - Barber lite. Best in a complementary role, but he could get a lot of GL carries and has underrated hands.

WR:

1) Michael Crabtree - hands, routes, quickness, acceptable speed. I think he's a can't miss.

2) Hakeem Nicks - hands, toughness, routes, I think he's instantly useful. I buy the Boldin comparison.

3) Jeremy Maclin - good hands and speed. Just needs refinement of his route running. And reportedly a ####ty blocker.

4) Brian Robiskie - will be underrated on draft day, but he's good. I think he's capable of being a steady WR2 for many years, and in the right system could put up surprising numbers.

5) Kenny Britt - I dislike his hands, but I like his physicality. I wouldn't trust him, but players like Edwards and Bowe have dropsy problems and are still very productive. He could be similar. Also some character concerns.

6) Darrius Heyward-Bay - High potential. Would I draft him? No. Too risky, but I wouldn't be surprised if he outshines everyone but Crabtree. Well, I would be surprised, but I also wouldn't, if that makes sense. It does in my head.

7) Brandon Tate - if he's healthy, he'll be very solid.

8) Percy Harvin - I just don't see where he fits as a WR. As a talented player? Yes. Someone nice to have on your NFL team? Sure. On your fantasy team? I don't know. He's in the category of people I won't touch due to uncertainty. A gamble like DHB. I also question his durability.

9) Mike Thomas - Another underrated guy. Will fly under a lot of radars but could be a steal in the NFL. Serious danger as a return man.

10) Derrick Williams - I think he's raw but has a lot of untapped potential. With the right coaching, he could really blossom.

11) Louis Murphy - He's got good speed, good size, runs solid routes. I think he's a fine prospect, though he won't be a star.

12) Austin Collie - Great hands, second only to Crabtree. Nice acceleration, and toughness.

13) Jarrett Dillard - Great routes, good hands. Could be ranked higher.

TE:

1) Brandon Pettigrew - Because I'm the only guy that loves him. He's a complete player, very underrated hands, good blocker. He may not have much upside, so I understand people ranking him lower.

2) Jared Cook - Great measurables, but poor blocking.

3) Shawn Nelson - I don't trust his hands, but everything else I like. He could be an everydown TE pretty quickly.

4) James Casey - reminds me of Owen Daniels, but I think he'll take time to really transition to an NFL TE.

5) Chase Coffman - Hands, hands, hands. And routes. But also injuries, and less of a physical upside than the other guys on the list. Even if he doesn't pan out as a starter, I bet there'll be a place for him somewhere on receiving talent alone.

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Thanks Johny for putting those out there.Of course strux boy's rankings are golden. Hard to improve on perfection.

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Don't worry, I'll still screw up my rookie drafts.

lyon812 said:

TE:

1) Brandon Pettigrew - Because I'm the only guy that loves him. He's a complete player, very underrated hands, good blocker. He may not have much upside, so I understand people ranking him lower.

2) Jared Cook - Great measurables, but poor blocking.

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Precisely why I like Cook more than Pettigrew for fantasy. I want my fantasy TEs to not be able to block worth a crap, but can catch everything in sight and run like the wind. Pettigrew's blocking ability will keep him in to block and that isn't good for his fantasy numbers.

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lyon812 said:

TE:

1) Brandon Pettigrew - Because I'm the only guy that loves him. He's a complete player, very underrated hands, good blocker. He may not have much upside, so I understand people ranking him lower.

2) Jared Cook - Great measurables, but poor blocking.

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Precisely why I like Cook more than Pettigrew for fantasy. I want my fantasy TEs to not be able to block worth a crap, but can catch everything in sight and run like the wind. Pettigrew's blocking ability will keep him in to block and that isn't good for his fantasy numbers.

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I agree with this.And it isn't a knock against Pettigrew who may be a better overall football player. But Cook and Casey could be very productive as recievers. Even moreso because they are not good blockers. The teams that take them you should be looking at what other recievers they have to guage opportunity. I think these 2 could be better than what a lot of teams have on there rosters right now.

Biabreakable said:

Hoss_Cartwright said:

lyon812 said:

TE:

1) Brandon Pettigrew - Because I'm the only guy that loves him. He's a complete player, very underrated hands, good blocker. He may not have much upside, so I understand people ranking him lower.

2) Jared Cook - Great measurables, but poor blocking.

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Precisely why I like Cook more than Pettigrew for fantasy. I want my fantasy TEs to not be able to block worth a crap, but can catch everything in sight and run like the wind. Pettigrew's blocking ability will keep him in to block and that isn't good for his fantasy numbers.

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I agree with this.And it isn't a knock against Pettigrew who may be a better overall football player. But Cook and Casey could be very productive as recievers. Even moreso because they are not good blockers. The teams that take them you should be looking at what other recievers they have to guage opportunity. I think these 2 could be better than what a lot of teams have on there rosters right now.

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Aye, you both have excellent points, and I know it's an unpopular stance. I've just been a fan for many months now and think people are underrating him. You know, sometimes you just have That Guy that you like.. Pettigrew is mine. I think he'll do very well.

I will give it a shot:

QB:

1) Matthew Stafford

2) Mark Sanchez

3) Josh Freeman

4) Pat White

RB:

1) Knowshon Moreno

2) Beanie Wells

3) Donald Brown

4) Leshon Mccoy

5) Shonn Green

6) Andre Brown

7) Cedric Peerman

8) Rashad Jennings

9)Javon Ringer

10)Glen Coffee

WR:

1)Michael Crabtree

2)Jeremy Maclin

3)Darrius Heyward-Bay

4)Percy Harvin

5)Hakeem Nicks

6)Brian Robiskie

7)Jarrett Dillard

8)Kenny Britt

9)Mike Thomas

10)Brandon Tate

Biabreakable said:

Hoss_Cartwright said:

lyon812 said:

TE:

1) Brandon Pettigrew - Because I'm the only guy that loves him. He's a complete player, very underrated hands, good blocker. He may not have much upside, so I understand people ranking him lower.

2) Jared Cook - Great measurables, but poor blocking.

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Precisely why I like Cook more than Pettigrew for fantasy. I want my fantasy TEs to not be able to block worth a crap, but can catch everything in sight and run like the wind. Pettigrew's blocking ability will keep him in to block and that isn't good for his fantasy numbers.

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I agree with this.And it isn't a knock against Pettigrew who may be a better overall football player. But Cook and Casey could be very productive as recievers. Even moreso because they are not good blockers. The teams that take them you should be looking at what other recievers they have to guage opportunity. I think these 2 could be better than what a lot of teams have on there rosters right now.

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I know what you guys are saying, but I'm not sure it's always that cut and dry. It depends on the team of course, but I don't think every team is running their TEs in and out of the lineup depending on whether it's a run play or a pass play. In particular during a hurry up or two minute offense there just isn't time. So while I agree that you don't want a TE for fantasy who is a great blocker, you also don't want one that just sucks at inline blocking, IMO. You need one that is good enough that he's in the lineup more often and can still go out for passes.

Witten is a great blocker and he seems to get his catches.

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Witten is a great blocker and he seems to get his catches.

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There's a lot of comparisons to Jason Witten in the pre-draft literature. I'd say Witten has more separation/speed (though he isn't that fast), while Pettigrew's a better blocker coming into the draft. They're both old-school TE. Just Googling the two names together brings up a hell of a lot of results. One of the analyses I like is from NFLDraftScout.com Senior Analyst and PreDraft Panelist Rob Rang: "For some teams, Pettigrew's lack of downfield speed will be a significant factor. In today's wide-open offense, Pettigrew simply lacks the acceleration to challenge defenses down the seam like a Dallas Clark or Kellen Winslow, Jr. but he does have rare agility for a tight end of his size to get open in the short and intermediate zones. He catches the ball securely and is among the better, more physically gifted blockers we've seen in a highly ranked tight end in years. In a traditional pro-style offense, Pettigrew has the all-around game to make an immediate impact."Now, while I have trouble comparing rookies to superstars much of the time (such as in that WR Comparison thread), I see the similarities in style and buy Pettigrew's chances for success. Not every TE has to be a downfield burner, or some kind of freakish multipositional hybrid.

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Not every TE has to be a downfield burner, or some kind of freakish multipositional hybrid.

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True they don't. And a lot of teams might be better off with Pettigrew than the freaks.But for fantasy those 2 players have a chance to be difference makers. Casey in particular has proven hands and there is no doubt in my mind that he will be a starter in the NFL. His verisitilty is a bonus as it will increase his opportunity to make other types of plays besides catching the ball.Cook is more of a risk than Casey but you have to like his upside.

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lyon812 said:

Not every TE has to be a downfield burner, or some kind of freakish multipositional hybrid.

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True they don't. And a lot of teams might be better off with Pettigrew than the freaks.But for fantasy those 2 players have a chance to be difference makers. Casey in particular has proven hands and there is no doubt in my mind that he will be a starter in the NFL. His verisitilty is a bonus as it will increase his opportunity to make other types of plays besides catching the ball.Cook is more of a risk than Casey but you have to like his upside.

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Good timing on this Bia. I was just thinking about the Bills situation if they go DE at 11 and then all the OTs and Pettigrew are gone at 28. I think the end of the first could be the spot for Cook. But he's not that great of an inline blocker. And the Bills, after trading Peters, really need a TE that can help out with inline blocking, IMO. So although I like Cook a lot, I don't think he's a great fit for the Bills. So there is one team that would be better off with Pettigrew than the freaks.