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Sanchez at Pick 4? (1 Viewer)

Dave Stauff

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((KFFL) ESPNews reports Todd McShay, of ESPN, has learned the Seattle Seahawks will take Southern California QB Mark Sanchez with the fourth pick in the 2009 NFL Draft if he is available.

(KFFL) Jason La Canfora, of The Washington Post, reports the Washington Redskins have begun to send out feelers on what it might take to acquire the Seattle Seahawks first-round draft choice, according to sources.

I'm not a mock draft rocket scientist, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once . . . :lmao:

 
((KFFL) ESPNews reports Todd McShay, of ESPN, has learned the Seattle Seahawks will take Southern California QB Mark Sanchez with the fourth pick in the 2009 NFL Draft if he is available. (KFFL) Jason La Canfora, of The Washington Post, reports the Washington Redskins have begun to send out feelers on what it might take to acquire the Seattle Seahawks first-round draft choice, according to sources.I'm not a mock draft rocket scientist, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once . . . :yes:
Please not a QB in round 1. A trade with the Redskins is way better than a 1st round QB.
 
((KFFL) ESPNews reports Todd McShay, of ESPN, has learned the Seattle Seahawks will take Southern California QB Mark Sanchez with the fourth pick in the 2009 NFL Draft if he is available. (KFFL) Jason La Canfora, of The Washington Post, reports the Washington Redskins have begun to send out feelers on what it might take to acquire the Seattle Seahawks first-round draft choice, according to sources.I'm not a mock draft rocket scientist, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once . . . :angry:
Please not a QB in round 1. A trade with the Redskins is way better than a 1st round QB.
:yes:I have been of the mindset that Seattle is a spot that would make a lot of sense for Sanchez. Hass is on the tail end of his career and Mora can school Sanchez in the WCO for a year while he sits. I think it would be a good move.
 
I saw this on ESPN @noon. But this is where McShay said he thought Sanchez should go, as it would allow him to sit for a year or 2 and back up Hasselback.

He did not say that he thought he would go there.

 
Congratulations, Seahawks, you've lured the biggest, dumbest pair of whales in the NFL Ocean to start sniffing your bait...

...play your cards right, and you might just see how good Chris Cooley looks in Silver, Green and Blue come September.

For those of you who aren't Redskins Fans...be happy you're not.

 
Dave Stauff said:
((KFFL) ESPNews reports Todd McShay, of ESPN, has learned the Seattle Seahawks will take Southern California QB Mark Sanchez with the fourth pick in the 2009 NFL Draft if he is available.

(KFFL) Jason La Canfora, of The Washington Post, reports the Washington Redskins have begun to send out feelers on what it might take to acquire the Seattle Seahawks first-round draft choice, according to sources.

I'm not a mock draft rocket scientist, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once . . . :D
Seattle went :angry: and caught themselves an idiot billionaire.
 
Dave Stauff said:
((KFFL) ESPNews reports Todd McShay, of ESPN, has learned the Seattle Seahawks will take Southern California QB Mark Sanchez with the fourth pick in the 2009 NFL Draft if he is available.

(KFFL) Jason La Canfora, of The Washington Post, reports the Washington Redskins have begun to send out feelers on what it might take to acquire the Seattle Seahawks first-round draft choice, according to sources.

I'm not a mock draft rocket scientist, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once . . . :yes:
Seattle went :lmao: and caught themselves an idiot billionaire.
:D Somebody check on Jason Campbell - his head may be exploding at this very moment...

 
Dave Stauff said:
(KFFL) Jason La Canfora, of The Washington Post, reports the Washington Redskins have begun to send out feelers on what it might take to acquire the Seattle Seahawks first-round draft choice, according to sources.
I read this yesterday on the TNT blog (Tacoma News Tribune).oh please oh please oh please make this happen.

 
nittanylion said:
Congratulations, Seahawks, you've lured the biggest, dumbest pair of whales in the NFL Ocean to start sniffing your bait......play your cards right, and you might just see how good Chris Cooley looks in Silver, Green and Blue come September.For those of you who aren't Redskins Fans...be happy you're not.
:lmao:
 
nittanylion said:
Congratulations, Seahawks, you've lured the biggest, dumbest pair of whales in the NFL Ocean to start sniffing your bait......play your cards right, and you might just see how good Chris Cooley looks in Silver, Green and Blue come September.For those of you who aren't Redskins Fans...be happy you're not.
Cooley in Seattle? I don't follow. I think they were pretty happy with Carlson last season leading the team in catches as a rookie.
 
Buffaloes said:
stevegamer said:
Dave Stauff said:
((KFFL) ESPNews reports Todd McShay, of ESPN, has learned the Seattle Seahawks will take Southern California QB Mark Sanchez with the fourth pick in the 2009 NFL Draft if he is available. (KFFL) Jason La Canfora, of The Washington Post, reports the Washington Redskins have begun to send out feelers on what it might take to acquire the Seattle Seahawks first-round draft choice, according to sources.I'm not a mock draft rocket scientist, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once . . . :thumbup:
Please not a QB in round 1. A trade with the Redskins is way better than a 1st round QB.
:)I have been of the mindset that Seattle is a spot that would make a lot of sense for Sanchez. Hass is on the tail end of his career and Mora can school Sanchez in the WCO for a year while he sits. I think it would be a good move.
Sanchez is a 1-year starter surrounded by superior talent in his conference. He's less tested than I like.The Seahawks track record on drafted QB's is atrocious. Their record on 1st round QB's is Millenesque:
Code:
Rk	Year	Rnd	Pick	Player Name 	Pos	Tm	From	To1	2005	3	85	David Greene	QB	SEA		2	2003	4	110	Seneca Wallace	QB	SEA	2005	20083	2002	7	232	Jeff Kelly   	QB	SEA	2002	20024	2001	6	172	Josh Booty  	QB	SEA		5	1999	3	77	Brock Huard	QB	SEA	2000	20036	1993	1	2	Rick Mirer   	QB	SEA	1993	20037	1991	1	16	Dan McGwire	QB	SEA	1991	19958	1990	12	312	John Gromos	QB	SEA		9	1987	8	216	Sammy Garza	QB	SEA	1987	198710	1986	11	291	David Norrie	QB	SEA	1987	198711	1985	10	277	John Conner	QB	SEA		12	1977	10	254	Sam Adkins	QB	SEA	1977	198113	1976	4	93	Steve Myer	QB	SEA	1977	197914	1976	17	461	Chris Rowland	QB	SEA
The franchise's top 4 QB's (chronological order):Jim Zorn - UDFADave Krieg - UDFAJohn Kitna - UDFAMatt Hasselbeck - 6th rounder (of antoher team)Better to not waste a pick on a gamble you ware bad at, and instead find somebody you sort through the low-end talent on other teams, or in the FA pools.
 
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nittanylion said:
Congratulations, Seahawks, you've lured the biggest, dumbest pair of whales in the NFL Ocean to start sniffing your bait......play your cards right, and you might just see how good Chris Cooley looks in Silver, Green and Blue come September.For those of you who aren't Redskins Fans...be happy you're not.
Cooley in Seattle? I don't follow. I think they were pretty happy with Carlson last season leading the team in catches as a rookie.
Carlson is the answer in Seattle.Plus I think Sanchez would be ideal for Seattle.They need to prepare for life beyond Hass.... now.
 
All Snyder fishing aside, what if......Stafford and Sanchez are both available at 1.4?

Does this increase or decrease the value of the 1.4 pick or does the 1.7/1.8 increase in more value as one of the QBs will fall that far?

Furthermore, is Seneca the answer or is Seattle's hope that Freeman falls to them in 2nd round and they trade the 1.4 for players and picks. Why wouldn't Seattle take either Stafford or Sanchez with the 1.4 and groom for post Hasselbeck?

Not a drafting genius but I believe this draft could be a boon for either or both Seattle and Jacksonville if both QBs fall to 4. I would put Oakland here but I don't have confidence that Granny Davis would trade out of 1.7.

 
nittanylion said:
Congratulations, Seahawks, you've lured the biggest, dumbest pair of whales in the NFL Ocean to start sniffing your bait...

...play your cards right, and you might just see how good Chris Cooley looks in Silver, Green and Blue come September.

For those of you who aren't Redskins Fans...be happy you're not.
Cooley in Seattle? I don't follow. I think they were pretty happy with Carlson last season leading the team in catches as a rookie.
Carlson is the answer in Seattle.Plus I think Sanchez would be ideal for Seattle.

They need to prepare for life beyond Hass Jones.... now.
Fixed.Carlson has been pretty good, although I wouldn't turn down Cooley if everything else worked.

 
Good post Steve.

But think the drafting of Stafford or Sanchez

has nothing to do with the past failures at drafting QBs.

 
All I have to say is that when I see Seattle's track record of drafting QB's, I feel a little better as a Lions fan. At least we had Harrington.... which sadly is a big upgrade over the guys on that list. Wow.

 
All Snyder fishing aside, what if......Stafford and Sanchez are both available at 1.4?

Does this increase or decrease the value of the 1.4 pick or does the 1.7/1.8 increase in more value as one of the QBs will fall that far?

Furthermore, is Seneca the answer or is Seattle's hope that Freeman falls to them in 2nd round and they trade the 1.4 for players and picks. Why wouldn't Seattle take either Stafford or Sanchez with the 1.4 and groom for post Hasselbeck?

Not a drafting genius but I believe this draft could be a boon for either or both Seattle and Jacksonville if both QBs fall to 4. I would put Oakland here but I don't have confidence that Granny Davis would trade out of 1.7.
Because Jones is closer to done than Hasselbeck, and they are much better at evaluating OL: Jones & Hutchinson are better than the entire list I posted earlier for QB, and you need a LT to protect a young QB. Get the LT first.If both QB's are there and the top 2 OT's are gone, I think a trade down becomes very lkikely.

 
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nittanylion said:
Congratulations, Seahawks, you've lured the biggest, dumbest pair of whales in the NFL Ocean to start sniffing your bait......play your cards right, and you might just see how good Chris Cooley looks in Silver, Green and Blue come September.For those of you who aren't Redskins Fans...be happy you're not.
I think one key to success is to get the Redskins involved in the negotiations. With the Redskins, Denver would have looked like big time losers in the Cutler trade.
 
nittanylion said:
Congratulations, Seahawks, you've lured the biggest, dumbest pair of whales in the NFL Ocean to start sniffing your bait...

...play your cards right, and you might just see how good Chris Cooley looks in Silver, Green and Blue come September.

For those of you who aren't Redskins Fans...be happy you're not.
I think one key to success is to get the Redskins involved in the negotiations. With the Redskins, Denver would have looked like big time losers in the Cutler trade.
:confused:
 
nittanylion said:
Congratulations, Seahawks, you've lured the biggest, dumbest pair of whales in the NFL Ocean to start sniffing your bait...

...play your cards right, and you might just see how good Chris Cooley looks in Silver, Green and Blue come September.

For those of you who aren't Redskins Fans...be happy you're not.
Cooley in Seattle? I don't follow. I think they were pretty happy with Carlson last season leading the team in catches as a rookie.
Carlson is the answer in Seattle.Plus I think Sanchez would be ideal for Seattle.

They need to prepare for life beyond Hass Jones.... now.
Fixed.Carlson has been pretty good, although I wouldn't turn down Cooley if everything else worked.
Cooley ?Seattle has plenty of holes to address.

Why would anyone on God's green earth consider

dealing for Chris Cooley, when they already have their TE of the future ?

 
nittanylion said:
Congratulations, Seahawks, you've lured the biggest, dumbest pair of whales in the NFL Ocean to start sniffing your bait...

...play your cards right, and you might just see how good Chris Cooley looks in Silver, Green and Blue come September.

For those of you who aren't Redskins Fans...be happy you're not.
Cooley in Seattle? I don't follow. I think they were pretty happy with Carlson last season leading the team in catches as a rookie.
Carlson is the answer in Seattle.Plus I think Sanchez would be ideal for Seattle.

They need to prepare for life beyond Hass Jones.... now.
Fixed.Carlson has been pretty good, although I wouldn't turn down Cooley if everything else worked.
Cooley ?Seattle has plenty of holes to address.

Why would anyone on God's green earth consider

dealing for Chris Cooley, when they already have their TE of the future ?
:rolleyes: I have no idea where the prior poster got it - I was just following off the prior poster's assumption that Redskins would put Cooley into a deal. He's good, and if eveything else is what I want, I'd be happy to take him off their hands. Atlanta featured TE's under Mora, although I really am not in love with him as the coach.

 
Because Jones is closer to done than Hasselbeck, and they are much better at evaluating OL: Jones & Hutchinson are better than the entire list I posted earlier for QB, and you need a LT to protect a young QB. Get the LT first.

If both QB's are there and the top 2 OT's are gone, I think a trade down becomes very lkikely.
They pick 4th, so all 4 can't be gone.
 
I think this is a fair assessment: "Hasselbeck is the heart and soul of the franchise, but he's also peaked," said Rang. "Seattle is in position to take a young franchise caliber quarterback at the right time -- when they'd like to groom one – not when they're forced to."

It all depends on comfort. They likely won't be drafting Top-5 that often; they're a solid team that was beset by injuries. If they're comfortable with Matt's back woes, they should go OL first, as it's more pressing. If they're seriously worried about Hasselbeck's health and are keeping it under wraps, this is their chance to get a top talent at QB that might not be there next year.

And heck, what if the Lions don't take Stafford? Do you want the 3rd best OL in the draft at pick 4, or do you want the top QB you have listed on your board, knowing that chance doesn't come along too often?

An interesting article: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrou...gh-go-flowchart . You have to read it to appreciate it, but it mentions "The Panthers and Seahawks have Veteran quarterbacks who were once Stars. They should pull the trigger on Prospects now. Barring that, the Panthers should take their chances with a Tweener or even risk a Baggage Guy who could quickly be discarded in August if he doesn't pan out. The Seahawks have a Tweener in Seneca Wallace, but they could do better."

 
I think this is a fair assessment: "Hasselbeck is the heart and soul of the franchise, but he's also peaked," said Rang. "Seattle is in position to take a young franchise caliber quarterback at the right time -- when they'd like to groom one – not when they're forced to."

It all depends on comfort. They likely won't be drafting Top-5 that often; they're a solid team that was beset by injuries. If they're comfortable with Matt's back woes, they should go OL first, as it's more pressing. If they're seriously worried about Hasselbeck's health and are keeping it under wraps, this is their chance to get a top talent at QB that might not be there next year.

And heck, what if the Lions don't take Stafford? Do you want the 3rd best OL in the draft at pick 4, or do you want the top QB you have listed on your board, knowing that chance doesn't come along too often?

An interesting article: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrou...gh-go-flowchart . You have to read it to appreciate it, but it mentions "The Panthers and Seahawks have Veteran quarterbacks who were once Stars. They should pull the trigger on Prospects now. Barring that, the Panthers should take their chances with a Tweener or even risk a Baggage Guy who could quickly be discarded in August if he doesn't pan out. The Seahawks have a Tweener in Seneca Wallace, but they could do better."
Quite interesting. What's odd to me is how it makes great sense while fitting horribly with Seahawks history.The good Seahawks QB's flowchart is: Camp Arm -> Tweener/Young Star -> Star/Veteran -> Mentor

The bad Seahawks QB's flowchart is: Prospect -> Fading Propsect and then down & out to unemployment. Mirer might have made it to "Veteran" briefly.

 
Seattle doing anything except taking an OT or trading down from #4 makes no sense to me.

Hass isn't that old and has a few years left so why bother taking a QB that high? Crabtree was once looking like a good BPA/need pick, but with Housh, Branch and co. they'll be fine at WR. Curry would be nice, but that would be a lot of money locked up in LB's. Raji could help that defense too. But honestly, Walter Jones is what, 34 going on 84? And this draft has some great OT talent at the top.

 
Seattle GM Tim Ruskell comments from press conference today.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcwest/0-8-657...-surprises.html

Seahawks' GM expects draft-day surprises

April 17, 2009 6:25 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Mike Sando

RENTON, Wash. -- Seahawks president Tim Ruskell recently finished a predraft interview session with writers who cover the team.

All subjects were on the table. All answers were on the record. A few highlights:

* Ruskell doesn't see any clear franchise players in this draft. Certain positions, quarterback included, could be overvalued as a result.

* While with the Bucs, the team overvalued quarterback at the top of the draft because the new coaching staff needed one. Trent Dilfer was the choice at No. 6. Dilfer enjoyed success during his career, but he wasn't a star. The lesson, Ruskell said, was to remain disciplined in one's evaluation, not buckling to need or to the thought that drafting a quarterback early would make that quarterback become a franchise player.

* The Seahawks, who hold the fourth overall choice, have identified their short list of four players. They have not settled on the order.

* Are the Seahawks comfortable with their character evaluation on USC quarterback Mark Sanchez? "We are," Ruskell said. There's little chance Ruskell would ever say anything before the draft to hurt a player's reputation.

* Ruskell anticipates big surprises in the draft because he thinks teams have about 20 players graded at the same or similar levels.

* Ruskell thinks teams at the top will have a hard time trading out of the top five. He expects more movement from about the eighth through 12th picks.

* Ruskell talked about "the hand we are dealt" in reference to having the fourth overall choice in a draft without clearly established stars. The Seahawks would love to be picking lower, in my interpretation.

* The Seahawks will be looking for nimbler, more athletic offensive linemen at every position but left tackle as they use more zone blocking concepts. They will also seek one-cut running backs over dancer types. Julius Jones and T.J. Duckett fit that profile more than Justin Forsett, although Ruskell said Forsett adapted nicely at the recent minicamp.

The Seahawks haven't decided on which player they want to draft, in my view. That seemed clear from this discussion. If the Redskins or another team is serious about moving into the fourth spot, Seattle will surely listen.
Sounds like Sanchez is a less likely pick.
 
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Seattle GM Tim Ruskell comments from press conference today.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcwest/0-8-657...-surprises.html

Seahawks' GM expects draft-day surprises

April 17, 2009 6:25 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Mike Sando

RENTON, Wash. -- Seahawks president Tim Ruskell recently finished a predraft interview session with writers who cover the team.

All subjects were on the table. All answers were on the record. A few highlights:

* Ruskell doesn't see any clear franchise players in this draft. Certain positions, quarterback included, could be overvalued as a result.

* While with the Bucs, the team overvalued quarterback at the top of the draft because the new coaching staff needed one. Trent Dilfer was the choice at No. 6. Dilfer enjoyed success during his career, but he wasn't a star. The lesson, Ruskell said, was to remain disciplined in one's evaluation, not buckling to need or to the thought that drafting a quarterback early would make that quarterback become a franchise player.

* The Seahawks, who hold the fourth overall choice, have identified their short list of four players. They have not settled on the order.

* Are the Seahawks comfortable with their character evaluation on USC quarterback Mark Sanchez? "We are," Ruskell said. There's little chance Ruskell would ever say anything before the draft to hurt a player's reputation.

* Ruskell anticipates big surprises in the draft because he thinks teams have about 20 players graded at the same or similar levels.

* Ruskell thinks teams at the top will have a hard time trading out of the top five. He expects more movement from about the eighth through 12th picks.

* Ruskell talked about "the hand we are dealt" in reference to having the fourth overall choice in a draft without clearly established stars. The Seahawks would love to be picking lower, in my interpretation.

* The Seahawks will be looking for nimbler, more athletic offensive linemen at every position but left tackle as they use more zone blocking concepts. They will also seek one-cut running backs over dancer types. Julius Jones and T.J. Duckett fit that profile more than Justin Forsett, although Ruskell said Forsett adapted nicely at the recent minicamp.

The Seahawks haven't decided on which player they want to draft, in my view. That seemed clear from this discussion. If the Redskins or another team is serious about moving into the fourth spot, Seattle will surely listen.
Sounds like Sanchez is a less likely pick.
Reading between the lines those comments say BPA to me. I really think it will be Stafford, Smith, Monroe going 1 2 3. The Seahawks best chance to trade down is another team falling in love with Curry, Crabtree, or Raji and is willing to trade into the 4th spot to get their player.
 
comfortably numb said:
According to the post by SEA fans, am I understanding that a pick of Crabtree at 1.4 would not be satisfactory?
That's debatable. We aren't a collective that share one opinion. Some would welcome a Crabtree pick. I'm not one of them. Personally, I would prefer a mauler with a pick that high on either side of the ball. I think a WR is a good first day pick for Seattle, but not in round one. Of all the WRs in this draft I like Kenny Britt best, but I doubt he drops to our pick at 2.04.
 
Enforcer said:
Sounds like Sanchez is a less likely pick.
I don't know about that. I read their board to be some order of Stafford, Sanchez, Monroe and Smith. If Stafford, Smith and Monroe go 1-2-3, in any order, I think it's Sanchez.
 
((KFFL) ESPNews reports Todd McShay, of ESPN, has learned the Seattle Seahawks will take Southern California QB Mark Sanchez with the fourth pick in the 2009 NFL Draft if he is available. (KFFL) Jason La Canfora, of The Washington Post, reports the Washington Redskins have begun to send out feelers on what it might take to acquire the Seattle Seahawks first-round draft choice, according to sources.I'm not a mock draft rocket scientist, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once . . . :lmao:
Please not a QB in round 1. A trade with the Redskins is way better than a 1st round QB.
:lmao:I have been of the mindset that Seattle is a spot that would make a lot of sense for Sanchez. Hass is on the tail end of his career and Mora can school Sanchez in the WCO for a year while he sits. I think it would be a good move.
Sanchez is a 1-year starter surrounded by superior talent in his conference. He's less tested than I like.The Seahawks track record on drafted QB's is atrocious. Their record on 1st round QB's is Millenesque:
Code:
Rk	Year	Rnd	Pick	Player Name 	Pos	Tm	From	To1	2005	3	85	David Greene	QB	SEA		2	2003	4	110	Seneca Wallace	QB	SEA	2005	20083	2002	7	232	Jeff Kelly   	QB	SEA	2002	20024	2001	6	172	Josh Booty  	QB	SEA		5	1999	3	77	Brock Huard	QB	SEA	2000	20036	1993	1	2	Rick Mirer   	QB	SEA	1993	20037	1991	1	16	Dan McGwire	QB	SEA	1991	19958	1990	12	312	John Gromos	QB	SEA		9	1987	8	216	Sammy Garza	QB	SEA	1987	198710	1986	11	291	David Norrie	QB	SEA	1987	198711	1985	10	277	John Conner	QB	SEA		12	1977	10	254	Sam Adkins	QB	SEA	1977	198113	1976	4	93	Steve Myer	QB	SEA	1977	197914	1976	17	461	Chris Rowland	QB	SEA
The franchise's top 4 QB's (chronological order):Jim Zorn - UDFADave Krieg - UDFAJohn Kitna - UDFAMatt Hasselbeck - 6th rounder (of antoher team)Better to not waste a pick on a gamble you ware bad at, and instead find somebody you sort through the low-end talent on other teams, or in the FA pools.
Lets have an honourable mention for the Kelly Stouffer fiasco as well
 
Enforcer said:
Sounds like Sanchez is a less likely pick.
I don't know about that. I read their board to be some order of Stafford, Sanchez, Monroe and Smith. If Stafford, Smith and Monroe go 1-2-3, in any order, I think it's Sanchez.
Seattle will draft the player who has the best chance at immediate impact to the team. Ruskell is way too cheap to pay the guaranteed money to a player who will more than likely sit on the bench for two years. They want a player to come in and contribute this year and Sanchez/Stafford dont fit that description. Ruskell has stated the team is confident that Hass' body will heal itself and with proper rehab they believe he is still in his prime. This team is not in rebuild mode at QB just yet.
 

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