Franknbeans
Footballguy
why not gather all the pre-draft hype in one thread. Why not I ask?
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*** The Official 2009 All-Kool-Aid team *** (1 Viewer)
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
In before the Roy Williams lemon flavor.
BuckeyeArt
Footballguy
Add Ronnie Brown, a 3 time Kool-Aid All American.
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
Chris Johnson
gonzobill5
Footballguy
I think 3rd time's a charm for devin hester.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Mike Bush RB Raiders.
Never seen a RB lose more speed trying to run at an angle and loses all momentum if he has to make a cut. If you want to see a guy round off a corner trying to get to the edge Bush is your guy.
Russell will need to have defenses really on their heels for Bush to be effective.
This is the NFL. Not Louisville and everybody else.
Never seen a RB lose more speed trying to run at an angle and loses all momentum if he has to make a cut. If you want to see a guy round off a corner trying to get to the edge Bush is your guy.
Russell will need to have defenses really on their heels for Bush to be effective.
This is the NFL. Not Louisville and everybody else.
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Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Jay Cutler is the "Franchise QB"
Tanner9919
Footballguy
fair point.do you one better:
Darren McFadden..never seen a more overhyped rookie come in to the NFL and stink it up as badly as McFadden did last season. he was said to be the Second Coming ( I bought the hype!)
two turf toes and a bruised ego later, he only rushed for 499 yards..taking away his only 100-yard game of the season ( week 2 vs. KC) , he rused 92 times for peachy 335 yards , 3.6 per carry..
this guy makes RB Chris Brown look like Cal Ripken..
this isn't Arkansas anymore..
others I'd add:
Tony Romo - losing T.O. will make Dallas offense more one-dimensional.
Roy Williams (WR) is good but he's overpaid, overhyped , and he scares no one..
Brett Favre - if he signs w/Vikings
K. Moreno
Steven Jackson
T.O.
M Sanchez
Felix Jones/T. Choice
Westbrook
R. Mendenhall
"The Denver RB" - who ever that might be.
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QB: Cutler-----penthouse to outhouse....
RB: MJD----I'll go on record as saying I for one don't think MJD is going to be everything people think he is with Taylor gone....I think he may have a nice year, but something (call it gut) tells me he will fall considerably short of the increase people are expecting
WR: Donnie Avery----people will be expecting WR1 type numbers and will be disappointed
TE: Tony G.---winning wise it was a good move for him....statwise not so much.....
RB: MJD----I'll go on record as saying I for one don't think MJD is going to be everything people think he is with Taylor gone....I think he may have a nice year, but something (call it gut) tells me he will fall considerably short of the increase people are expecting
WR: Donnie Avery----people will be expecting WR1 type numbers and will be disappointed
TE: Tony G.---winning wise it was a good move for him....statwise not so much.....
akaoni
Footballguy
With all due respect, I don't see how Westbrook can be considered for the Kool Aid team. Sure the little guy misses a few games but he's still been a top 10 Fantasy RB the past 3 years! That's a feat the large majority of RBs in the league can't complete even with 16 games under their belts. Could his numbers take a plunge this year? Sure, but he's proven himself. No way Westy belongs on this team.You may not like him this year, but that doesn't even come close to the same thing. If anything, Westy's rep for injury makes people often underestimate his value.fair point.do you one better:
Darren McFadden..never seen a more overhyped rookie come in to the NFL and stink it up as badly as McFadden did last season. he was said to be the Second Coming ( I bought the hype!)
two turf toes and a bruised ego later, he only rushed for 499 yards..taking away his only 100-yard game of the season ( week 2 vs. KC) , he rused 92 times for peachy 335 yards , 3.6 per carry..
this guy makes RB Chris Brown look like Cal Ripken..
this isn't Arkansas anymore..
others I'd add:
Tony Romo - losing T.O. will make Dallas offense more one-dimensional.
Roy Williams (WR) is good but he's overpaid, overhyped , and he scares no one..
Brett Favre - if he signs w/Vikings
K. Moreno
Steven Jackson
T.O.
M Sanchez
Felix Jones/T. Choice
WestbrookR. Mendenhall
"The Denver RB" - who ever that might be.
QB: David Garrard. He goes fairly high for being with the Jags. I see someone rate him top 10. Yikes
RB: Pierre Thomas. There are others but this guy reminds me the most of all the failures that are pimped. NO is still looking for a big back and he needs Reggie to get hurt to be anything. He goes ahead of alot of good backs for some unknown reason
WR: Lance Moore. We got a NO theme going on. I dont even know that he will start. Can Meachum or Arrington beat him out and he goes fairly high also
TE: Kellen Winslow. He just scares me at TE6. Way too risky looking at the past. TB will have to change O philosophy on top of this. Too much love for me.
RB: Pierre Thomas. There are others but this guy reminds me the most of all the failures that are pimped. NO is still looking for a big back and he needs Reggie to get hurt to be anything. He goes ahead of alot of good backs for some unknown reason
WR: Lance Moore. We got a NO theme going on. I dont even know that he will start. Can Meachum or Arrington beat him out and he goes fairly high also
TE: Kellen Winslow. He just scares me at TE6. Way too risky looking at the past. TB will have to change O philosophy on top of this. Too much love for me.
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
Garrard was QB9 last season. His WRs and, more importantly, his O-line are probably improved this year. Not predicting big things for him or anything, but a top 10 ranking is not crazy at all.
gethugefast1
Footballguy
Chris Chambers: caught 4 passes for 72 yards in a Divisional Playoff game at Pittsburgh. This may lead to Koolaid thinking it will continue in '09 because he had to contend with injuries most of '08. I'm not drinking.
gonzobill5
Footballguy
QB10 in 07? Are you using PPG? He missed 4 games IIRC. He is not someone I'd classify as overhyped in the least.
Riffraff
Footballguy
Exactly.When thinking of Kool-Aid, I envision Michael Turner for about 3 years, Robert Meachem, Ahmad Bradshaw, Darren McFadden, and Reggie Bush. Guys that did little to nothing after an off-season full of nut gargling by over-enthusiastic fantasy owners.Some of these kool-aid offerings in this thread aren't even hyped at all, they are just sleepers.
IMO, Drinking the Kool-Aid for a certain player means that you have high expectations for someone that others may or may not agree with. The bottom line is you're on board with counting on and expecting that player to perform. It's similar to the term "jump on the bandwagon"
3nOut
Footballguy
Actually, I think this is the opposite.The term kool-aid drinking referes to the suicide deaths of 913 members of the People's Temple cult in Jonestown, Guyana. Mmbers of the cult were persuaded to drink poison-laced kool-aid (actually it was a different brand if I remember correctly). So I'm pretty sure the term "drinking the kool-aid" mean following someone's ideas and opinions blindly without any actual facts. In terms of FF, this means you are following the "hype" on a player withuot basing it on any facts, stats, or history.
Zoomanji
Footballguy
3nOut
Footballguy
These are who I see the Shark Pool drinking kool-aid for:
ALL Rookies
QB: Favre (if he returns), Vick (will be if he is reinstated), Cassel to a certain extent but I think it has subsided a bit
RB: P. Thomas, M Bush, C Johnson, L Washington,
WR: Roy Williams, Coles, Holt
Any news story that comes out starts a trend in kool-aid drinking for that player. Thats when it all starts. I think everyone else mentioned here has shown SOMETING in the past to merit optimism (SJax, R Brown, etc).
ALL Rookies
QB: Favre (if he returns), Vick (will be if he is reinstated), Cassel to a certain extent but I think it has subsided a bit
RB: P. Thomas, M Bush, C Johnson, L Washington,
WR: Roy Williams, Coles, Holt
Any news story that comes out starts a trend in kool-aid drinking for that player. Thats when it all starts. I think everyone else mentioned here has shown SOMETING in the past to merit optimism (SJax, R Brown, etc).
Gopher State
Footballguy
Cutler-hard times a coming in Chicago, with the WR's he have to work with
A. Rogers, he's being drafted like he's the Favre of old, which he is not
C. Johnson, look out White is showing up in the best shape of his life
T.O.
Roy Williams
A. Rogers, he's being drafted like he's the Favre of old, which he is not
C. Johnson, look out White is showing up in the best shape of his life
T.O.
Roy Williams
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Any judgement of the rookie players is going to be drinking the kool aid. There is no other way to judge them unless your like Wildman and watch hours and hours of college ball. Even then. This is the NFL. Some players are great in college but can't make it at the next level. It is a huge learning curve and everyone is fast. Not just you.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Cedric Benson reaching kool aid level 3
lord_helmet
Footballguy
I see a few posts mentioning Pierre Thomas, I don't get it. Whats not to like ? The kid clearly deserves a shot and after dodging a few bullets in the draft and FA, it looks like he's going to get it.
"he needs Reggie to get hurt to be anything"
Is this comment for real ? If so:
"he needs Reggie to get hurt to be anything"
Is this comment for real ? If so:
Franknbeans
Footballguy
LeSean McCoy
Real Man of Genius
Footballguy
I nominate L. White. I also disagree on Rogers. I think he did plenty last year to deserve whatever minimal hype he is getting this year. I also don't see many people hyping either Cutler or TO. I think most expect them to see considerable drop offs.
massraider
Footballguy
Just the ones that I have been in disagreement with:
QB: None really spring to mind, maybe I think Romo is a bit overrated, but I haven't seen any fawning threads in the Pool.
RB: Pierre Thomas--here's my question, what happens if Bush is healthy weeks 14-16? Is this guy still your RB2?
Ray Rice--RBBC and then some. 2010? Maybe.
Knowshon Moreno--Lotta backs, and I don't like the direction this team is going.
Donald Brown--People round here have sure watched a lot more UCONN football than I have, that's for sure. Not saying he ain't worth it, just saying I don't know.
WR: Braylon Edwards--I own him, and would love a bounce back, not sure why everyone assumes he's just gonna get happy and stop dropping the ball. Getting drafted much, much higher than i would take him.
Brandon Marshall--I have been burned by unhappy diva WR before, in any money league, I will not count on this guy. And I don't see Orton keeping any WR in the top 10.
Hakeem Nicks: Holy smokes, did his mom buy FootballGuys or something?
Earl Bennett: For a guy that did as much as I did in the NFL last year, sure are a lot of people putting faith in the fact that he went to school with Cutler.
Chris Henry: I think he represents pretty decent value actually, but I am surprised by how many people are drinking the Kool-Aid, I figured more people would be sour on him.
QB: None really spring to mind, maybe I think Romo is a bit overrated, but I haven't seen any fawning threads in the Pool.
RB: Pierre Thomas--here's my question, what happens if Bush is healthy weeks 14-16? Is this guy still your RB2?
Ray Rice--RBBC and then some. 2010? Maybe.
Knowshon Moreno--Lotta backs, and I don't like the direction this team is going.
Donald Brown--People round here have sure watched a lot more UCONN football than I have, that's for sure. Not saying he ain't worth it, just saying I don't know.
WR: Braylon Edwards--I own him, and would love a bounce back, not sure why everyone assumes he's just gonna get happy and stop dropping the ball. Getting drafted much, much higher than i would take him.
Brandon Marshall--I have been burned by unhappy diva WR before, in any money league, I will not count on this guy. And I don't see Orton keeping any WR in the top 10.
Hakeem Nicks: Holy smokes, did his mom buy FootballGuys or something?
Earl Bennett: For a guy that did as much as I did in the NFL last year, sure are a lot of people putting faith in the fact that he went to school with Cutler.
Chris Henry: I think he represents pretty decent value actually, but I am surprised by how many people are drinking the Kool-Aid, I figured more people would be sour on him.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Umm.....I have seen zero VD hype all summer.And SJax has been top 3 PPG the past 3 years.....how is that overhyped?
I heard you can get VD by drinking that off-brand kool-aid.
Kidding aside, here's who I see getting the kool-aid hype:
QBs
Romo: Never liked the guy. Seems to tank during fantasy playoff time anyway.
Schaub: Would have posted good #s if healthly last year. At the right price, could be a solid pickup.
Roethlisberger: Why he is being touted as a "breakout" candidate is beyond me. He's a game manager.
Cutler: Like others have said, he's going to miss his old targets by week 2.
RBs
Forte: Getting drafted waaaaay to high for my liking. Just a gut feeling he's gonna bust. (Hey, reverse kool-aid!)
F. Jackson: I'm not sure he'll supplant Lynch during his suspension, but people sure think he will.
D. Brown: Rookie that people are assuming will take over for Addai. He'll get his carries, but not what people think.
Rice: Who knows what's going to happen in the BAL backfield, but Rice's stock has been rising none-the-less.
WRs
Avery: Sure he had a few good games last year, but is STL really going to afford him much success?
Ocho: Lots of folks are expecting him to return to form with Palmer. Older WR = lost a step = disappointment.
Fitzgerald: If/when Warner goes down, Fitz and co. are going to see a mighty drop in production.
Harvin: Another rookie that will have some opportunities, but fall short of lofty expectations.
Kidding aside, here's who I see getting the kool-aid hype:
QBs
Romo: Never liked the guy. Seems to tank during fantasy playoff time anyway.
Schaub: Would have posted good #s if healthly last year. At the right price, could be a solid pickup.
Roethlisberger: Why he is being touted as a "breakout" candidate is beyond me. He's a game manager.
Cutler: Like others have said, he's going to miss his old targets by week 2.
RBs
Forte: Getting drafted waaaaay to high for my liking. Just a gut feeling he's gonna bust. (Hey, reverse kool-aid!)
F. Jackson: I'm not sure he'll supplant Lynch during his suspension, but people sure think he will.
D. Brown: Rookie that people are assuming will take over for Addai. He'll get his carries, but not what people think.
Rice: Who knows what's going to happen in the BAL backfield, but Rice's stock has been rising none-the-less.
WRs
Avery: Sure he had a few good games last year, but is STL really going to afford him much success?
Ocho: Lots of folks are expecting him to return to form with Palmer. Older WR = lost a step = disappointment.
Fitzgerald: If/when Warner goes down, Fitz and co. are going to see a mighty drop in production.
Harvin: Another rookie that will have some opportunities, but fall short of lofty expectations.
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Instinctive
Footballguy
Avery is almost exactly like Bowe.
Decent rookie year, plays for a crappy team with decent run game.
Nobody else is gonna be better than he will........massive opportunity will produce very solid fantasy #s
Decent rookie year, plays for a crappy team with decent run game.
Nobody else is gonna be better than he will........massive opportunity will produce very solid fantasy #s
On the Rams?I would concur that he is their only viable WR, but he seems like a different type of player compared to Bowe. Avery isn't big or physical, but he's fast. He'll need the o-line to give enough time to Bulgie so that he can finish his routes. Bowe has had success because he's a beast and manages to get open on the intermediate routes.He may have solid numbers, but I've been seeing him climb into the 5th round in mocks. IF he starts heading into the 4th and I'll be spitting out that kool-aid.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Wow. I havent seen him go until at least the 7th at the earliest. And he isnt; like Bowe, his situation is. Thats the point I was making.
3nOut
Footballguy
I don't think there's much Kool-Aid here. Schaub is a talented QB with a lot of upside that has durability issues. The highest I have seen him ranked is 11th. I don't think thats over-hyping him. You are saying exactly what others are: IF he's healthy he can out up good numbers. If people would continually keep saying he will be top 3 (he may), then thats hype. I think people recognize his talent and great situation but are tempering their expectations.
Instinctive
Footballguy
FPPG, YPA, YPC, Comp % I believe he is top 5 or 6 in all of those categories. Also, note that if you look at his injuries last year, both were from penalized late hits where the defender took out his knee and was fined (Jared Allen, twice in one game I believe) and then where he was concussed from a helmet to helmet late hit, also fined. I forget the player, may try to find it if you push me.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Right, but if he's only ranked 11th at best after all this, not much Kool Aid drinking going on.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Fitz & Boldin can make it pay with just about anybody at QB - Josh McCown ring a bell? They may see a drop if Warner's out, but not a mighty drop.
I define "Kool Aid" picks as another term for everyone's "sexy" picks to break out or well outperform their ADP
So here's my ALL KOOL AID team....i believe in some of these guys, and some i don't
QB: Carson Palmer
RB: Ray Rice, Felix Jones
WR: Anthony Gonzalez, Dwayne Bowe, Ochocinco..............I actually think Gonzalez will live up to they hype
TE: Zach Miller
Flex: McFadden....prime example imo
So here's my ALL KOOL AID team....i believe in some of these guys, and some i don't
QB: Carson Palmer
RB: Ray Rice, Felix Jones
WR: Anthony Gonzalez, Dwayne Bowe, Ochocinco..............I actually think Gonzalez will live up to they hype
TE: Zach Miller
Flex: McFadden....prime example imo
Dragon1952
Footballguy
Drinking the Koolaid - Gushing and yearning for over-hyped players based on what all the 'experts' are saying.
How does Roy Williams fit....I haven't heard him being hyped that much at all. Actually, expectations appear to be rather tempered.
MJD would be the absolute prime example. ADP #1 every year would be an example. LaDanian and his 'bounce back' year. Larry Fitzgerald....he's good, but top 7 or 8 pick? Steven Jackson, Larry Johnson...he was supposed to bounce back last year now it's this year again, McFadden....I'm drinking a lit of that myself, Vincent Jackson, Beanie and Knowshon, Percy Harvin, Carson Palmer/Chris Henry, Greg Olsen/John Carlson/Zach Miller, etc.+
so,
QB Carson Palmer/Philip Rivers - tie
RB1 MJD
RB2 Tomlinson
WR1 Fitzgerald
WR2 Vincent Jackson
WR3 Percy Harvin/Chris Henry - tie
TE Greg Olsen
How does Roy Williams fit....I haven't heard him being hyped that much at all. Actually, expectations appear to be rather tempered.
MJD would be the absolute prime example. ADP #1 every year would be an example. LaDanian and his 'bounce back' year. Larry Fitzgerald....he's good, but top 7 or 8 pick? Steven Jackson, Larry Johnson...he was supposed to bounce back last year now it's this year again, McFadden....I'm drinking a lit of that myself, Vincent Jackson, Beanie and Knowshon, Percy Harvin, Carson Palmer/Chris Henry, Greg Olsen/John Carlson/Zach Miller, etc.+
so,
QB Carson Palmer/Philip Rivers - tie
RB1 MJD
RB2 Tomlinson
WR1 Fitzgerald
WR2 Vincent Jackson
WR3 Percy Harvin/Chris Henry - tie
TE Greg Olsen
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thehornet
Footballguy
Which year did he burn you? The year he had 102 catches or the year he had 104?
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thehornet
Footballguy
Except Bowe is WAY better than Avery will ever be.
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