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Player Spotlight: Chris "Beanie" Wells (1 Viewer)

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2009 Player Spotlight Series

One of Footballguys best assets is our message board community. The Shark Pool is, in our view, the best place on the internet to discuss, debate and analyze all things fantasy football. In what's become an annual tradition, the Player Spotlight series is a key part of the preseason efforts. As many of you know, we consider the Player Spotlight threads the permanent record for analyzing the fantasy prospects of the player in question. Last year, we published more than 120 offensive spotlights covering the vast majority of expected skill position starters. This year will be no different.

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Thread Topic: Chris "Beanie" Wells, RB, Arizona Cardinals

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Beannie, Beannie, Beannie........what are you gonna do this year?

Okay, so we have a rookie on a good team with alot of talent.

This is really a hard call, he could be a complete boom or bust this year and I'm gonna say.........BUST

I do think Beannie will end up having a nice career but I think it might take a year to get familiar with the system.

I don't see the Cardinals putting a guy that is known as an OKAY (at best) blocker back their to protect Warner in the passing game.

The Cardinals will eventually be Matt Leinart's team and when that happens I think Beannie will emerge as a very nice player and if that would happen this year I might change my mind but going into the season and thinking Warner is the guy there I'm alittle down on Beannie.

150 carries

600 yards

6 td's

15 catches

80 yards

 
I think a perfect place for his talents. He will see time to start with and facing 7 man fronts, he will have a field day. I dont think Hightower and his 3 YPC is any competition in the end. I think he will be the better goalline RB also and is motivated to succeed. Also Whisenhunt wants to run the ball more and has his guy to do it. Now I will now over evaluate with all the talent they still have at WR but I dont see them being bottom of the heap this year in rushing. Up to about 24th or so. So they should have about an increase of 450 yards as a team this year. Just the YPC will almost do this as I see at least 4(4.2) up from the 3.5 of last year.(240 extra by this) and than 50 more carries

245 carries for 1060 and 10 TD's(high powered O)

25 catches for 200 and a TD

 
Whisenhunt has indicated that he'd like to run the ball more, and I believe that's just what they'll do.

Todd Haley is gone and they'll begin to use a more balanced attack..the finished dead-last in rushing attempts and rushing yards last season, 25th and 29th in 2007..I'm sure that number will improve tremendously in 2009..

we don't know what Az has in Wells, is he the soft RB that takes himself out of games with questionable injuries, or the one who could chew up opposing defenses seemingly at will? I'll take the latter..

Final nine touchdowns against BCS opponents traveled an average of 32 yards :bye:

the guy can flat-out run!

one thing is certain, the Az passing game is going to make their running game a potent entity..Wells isn't a washed up Edgerrin James or an overhyped also-ran like Hightower, he is a premium RB from a top collegiate program..

Az has avg'd 371 carries/yr under Whisenthunt..I'll be that number skyrockets this season, to somewhere around 430 carries..

Wells stays healthy and probably takes home ROY award..

275/1237/4.5 avg/10 TD ( many of them from long distances of 30+ yards)

he is , afterall, playing 6 games against some of the softer defenses in the NFL ( SF, Seattle, St Louis) :coffee:

perfectly suited to play in the Az offense with all the top talent surrounding him...he's going to have plenty of open areas to run as opposing defenses cannot stack the box to stop the run because Az's passing attack is too potent..

 
Not that missing the OTA's is a big concern for me but I do think it provides Hightower with a slight advantage early in the season but Wells will get carries from the start and will see them increase as the season progresses.

Not looking to be included in a final synopsis because at this stage Well's #'s for this year depends heavily on the performance of others.

The team will remain a pass heavy offense and although it is looking as though we are past the Boldin distraction it remains to be seen this years distribution. Fitz will get his but will Breaston be used more in anticipation of Boldin's eventual departure? If the team is looking ahead their current #4, Doucet, suddenly becomes a factor (not necessarily fantasy-wise). The more the team focuses on life after Anquan the more the ball will get spread around and that should include more touches for the RB's. If Wells gets involved early and often his #'s will rise dramatically compared to if they continue with what almost got them to the top of the entire league.

Also, although I do not think Hightower will be able to hold off Well's for an entire season I could definitely see him starting off hot and minimize the rookie's early season participation. The Card's pre-bye schedule makes this a definite possibility. So although I partially agree with Blackjack that it may be a year before we really see Well's career take flight I do not think it will be based on who is lining up under center.

 
Holland Freeze said:
Not that missing the OTA's is a big concern for me but I do think it provides Hightower with a slight advantage early in the season but Wells will get carries from the start and will see them increase as the season progresses.

Not looking to be included in a final synopsis because at this stage Well's #'s for this year depends heavily on the performance of others.

The team will remain a pass heavy offense and although it is looking as though we are past the Boldin distraction it remains to be seen this years distribution. Fitz will get his but will Breaston be used more in anticipation of Boldin's eventual departure? If the team is looking ahead their current #4, Doucet, suddenly becomes a factor (not necessarily fantasy-wise). The more the team focuses on life after Anquan the more the ball will get spread around and that should include more touches for the RB's. If Wells gets involved early and often his #'s will rise dramatically compared to if they continue with what almost got them to the top of the entire league.

Also, although I do not think Hightower will be able to hold off Well's for an entire season I could definitely see him starting off hot and minimize the rookie's early season participation. The Card's pre-bye schedule makes this a definite possibility. So although I partially agree with Blackjack that it may be a year before we really see Well's career take flight I do not think it will be based on who is lining up under center.
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Yeah maybe his ypc will be 3 instead of 2.8 :no:

 
i think they limit him to 250 carries or so @ 4.0/carry gives you around 1000 yards. throw in 25 catches for 200 yards

10 total tds.(high side)

 
ARI as a team has had a ypc of 3.5, 3.6, 3.2, 3.2, and 3.5 the past 5 years. Whisenhunt has said each year that he was there that they would run more and pass less. He and Grimm are entering their third season and pretty much have had the same personnel to work with at OL. All along, teams have played the Cardinals to pass and they still couldn't run. I'm not sure Wells on his own changes that equation very much . . .

 
Paying Kurt like they did and having 2 of the best wr in the NFL makes me think Beanie is in for a low production year, personally I think Beanie will never be that good, but to throw numbers out for him I say 700 yards 7 scores and 25 catches and another 250 yards and a score.

 
Let me start off by saying that I'm waffling on Beanie more than any other player this year. I'll start by outlining what I'm sure of.

-He's the most talented back on his team and will command around 65-70% of the carries by say, midseason, if not sooner. However, the Cardinals won't run the ball 400 times, so we aren't talking huge numbers of carries here.

-He plays in one of the weaker divisions and looks to have a delicious playoff schedule (Detroit in week 15 and St. Louis in week 16)

-He has a ton of offensive firepower around him that will definitely help him out when the game is close and will hurt him when the cardinals fall behind by a couple of scores. Whisenhunt has shown that he will completely abandon the run, averaging only 13 carries in losses (and only 11 carries per game in losses by more than 7 points).

-It is possible to run the ball in the desert. A few years back I was burned in a big way with JJ Arrington and ever since I've had this idea stuck in my head that the red birds just won't ever have a good running game. I've poured over the stats from the past 15 years and I've seen enough to confidently put this little harebrained theory to rest. It's all in the OLine

All in all, he's a guy that I'll be targeting in non-ppr leagues. The fact that he'll be available in the 5th or 6th gives me the guts to go WR-WR if the right guys are available. Keeping in mind that the Oline might still suck at run blocking, I'll keep his YPC on the lower side, but I think he could even outperform this:

250 carries 1000 yards and 9 TDs

15 receptions for 100 yards

 
David Yudkin said:
ARI as a team has had a ypc of 3.5, 3.6, 3.2, 3.2, and 3.5 the past 5 years. Whisenhunt has said each year that he was there that they would run more and pass less. He and Grimm are entering their third season and pretty much have had the same personnel to work with at OL. All along, teams have played the Cardinals to pass and they still couldn't run. I'm not sure Wells on his own changes that equation very much . . .
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:pickle: its not like Edge and Hightower are tomato cans. the Cards just flat out cant run the ball. Beanies' success will directly be linked to how well the O-line run blocks.800/5
 
Alot of these arguments almost sound like LT when he came in. Was SD not Air Coryell for all those years. High powered passing O. They had a brutal OL when LT came in and things changed quickly. And Lt did not have the supporting cast that Wells has.

And Edge at end of career and Hightower are tomato cans. Wells can take it to the house on every carry and brings a new dimension to this team.

 
Edge was too slow and Hightower just does not have much talent. Wells has the speed and size to be a very good NFL RB.

If Wells plays 16 games I am looking for a big year. 1250 10-12 TDs

 
Da Guru said:
Edge was too slow and Hightower just does not have much talent. Wells has the speed and size to be a very good NFL RB.
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Good grief, Edge was not slow. He has always been a "deliberate", "disciplined" runner who has a knack for finding or making a hole. He averaged 3.9 ypc! Better than LT2, Marion Barber, Reggie Bush, Brian Westbrook, Willie Parker and a host of others!The Cardinals will have 1,000 Offensive plays this year; only 320 of these will be rushing attempts. Whisenhunt will use his best weapons to score points. Warner, Fitzgerald and Boldin are his "bread and butter".Beanie won't touch it 20 times a game; he'll end up around 15 touches per game and he'll finish under 1,000 yards with perhaps 6-8 TD's.
 
Crippler said:
Alot of these arguments almost sound like LT when he came in. Was SD not Air Coryell for all those years. High powered passing O. They had a brutal OL when LT came in and things changed quickly. And Lt did not have the supporting cast that Wells has.
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Coryell left SD in 1986. LT entered the league in 2001. There were 6 coaches in the middle. In 2000, the Bolts put up 3238/19 passing . . . not even close to the Air Coryell era.You are right, LT does not have the supporting cast that Wells has . . . which is why Wells won't get the ball 400 times like Tomlinson did in 2001 (along with his 3.6 ypc).ARI by comparison put up 4674/31 and made it to the Super Bowl. So we are to expect that they are going to stop what has been extremely successful (passing) in favor of something that they have been terrible at (running)?
 
David Yudkin said:
Crippler said:
Alot of these arguments almost sound like LT when he came in. Was SD not Air Coryell for all those years. High powered passing O. They had a brutal OL when LT came in and things changed quickly. And Lt did not have the supporting cast that Wells has.
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Coryell left SD in 1986. LT entered the league in 2001. There were 6 coaches in the middle. In 2000, the Bolts put up 3238/19 passing . . . not even close to the Air Coryell era.You are right, LT does not have the supporting cast that Wells has . . . which is why Wells won't get the ball 400 times like Tomlinson did in 2001 (along with his 3.6 ypc).ARI by comparison put up 4674/31 and made it to the Super Bowl. So we are to expect that they are going to stop what has been extremely successful (passing) in favor of something that they have been terrible at (running)?
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My point is that teams will change philosophy depending on the personal they now have to work with. SD once used to be a passing team and LT changed that to become a running team. And your right. I dont expect 400 carries either but than I expect the better than 3.6 avg of LT. Wells to me is a very dynamic talent and the opportunity is still there. I dont care that a team has not did this for 15 years. I am sure there is lots of examples of huge runs of being one way or another in the NFL and those always change. Just like the Cardinals past futility changed in one year
 
Im just not sure about that Oline.

Wisenhunt and Grimm are "experts" on Oline and they haven't developed that despite having a run blocking RT 1st round pick.

 
Crippler said:
David Yudkin said:
Crippler said:
Alot of these arguments almost sound like LT when he came in. Was SD not Air Coryell for all those years. High powered passing O. They had a brutal OL when LT came in and things changed quickly. And Lt did not have the supporting cast that Wells has.
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Coryell left SD in 1986. LT entered the league in 2001. There were 6 coaches in the middle. In 2000, the Bolts put up 3238/19 passing . . . not even close to the Air Coryell era.You are right, LT does not have the supporting cast that Wells has . . . which is why Wells won't get the ball 400 times like Tomlinson did in 2001 (along with his 3.6 ypc).ARI by comparison put up 4674/31 and made it to the Super Bowl. So we are to expect that they are going to stop what has been extremely successful (passing) in favor of something that they have been terrible at (running)?
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My point is that teams will change philosophy depending on the personal they now have to work with. SD once used to be a passing team and LT changed that to become a running team. And your right. I dont expect 400 carries either but than I expect the better than 3.6 avg of LT. Wells to me is a very dynamic talent and the opportunity is still there. I dont care that a team has not did this for 15 years. I am sure there is lots of examples of huge runs of being one way or another in the NFL and those always change. Just like the Cardinals past futility changed in one year
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My point was that it had been 15 years since the Chargers had a coach that was known for airing it out (and probably a few years before that when they were still elite airing it out). That's on par with saying the Cowboys "suddenly" became a passing team now that Emmitt is gone.Yes, there are likely some instances where teams went from mediocre to above average in some areas, but normally they were mediocre in both facets of the game. The Chargers weren't good at passing or running, so they opted to develop the running game. Ditto the Cowboys pre-Emmitt, the Lions pre-Barry, etc.A lot will depend on the Cardinals defense, as they gave up a ton of points last year and if they continue to do that they will have no choice but to pass to stay competitive.Even though they had a nice SB run, I still don't consider Arizona much more than a .500 team playing in a very weak division. I'm not sure I would consider them in the top third of the league if I were to rank the teams.
 
Hightower scored 10 tds last year, so i think it's very possible Beanie can get 9-10 this year and I think his yardage will be considerable better than Hightower's (399 yds).

I am struggling with this projection too, as I would like to target guys like this later in the draft and pile up on stud WRs early.

238 for 910 yds and 9 tds. 13 catches for 75 yds 0 tds

 
David Yudkin said:
Crippler said:
David Yudkin said:
Crippler said:
Alot of these arguments almost sound like LT when he came in. Was SD not Air Coryell for all those years. High powered passing O. They had a brutal OL when LT came in and things changed quickly. And Lt did not have the supporting cast that Wells has.
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Coryell left SD in 1986. LT entered the league in 2001. There were 6 coaches in the middle. In 2000, the Bolts put up 3238/19 passing . . . not even close to the Air Coryell era.You are right, LT does not have the supporting cast that Wells has . . . which is why Wells won't get the ball 400 times like Tomlinson did in 2001 (along with his 3.6 ypc).ARI by comparison put up 4674/31 and made it to the Super Bowl. So we are to expect that they are going to stop what has been extremely successful (passing) in favor of something that they have been terrible at (running)?
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My point is that teams will change philosophy depending on the personal they now have to work with. SD once used to be a passing team and LT changed that to become a running team. And your right. I dont expect 400 carries either but than I expect the better than 3.6 avg of LT. Wells to me is a very dynamic talent and the opportunity is still there. I dont care that a team has not did this for 15 years. I am sure there is lots of examples of huge runs of being one way or another in the NFL and those always change. Just like the Cardinals past futility changed in one year
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Even though they had a nice SB run, I still don't consider Arizona much more than a .500 team playing in a very weak division. I'm not sure I would consider them in the top third of the league if I were to rank the teams.
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Wow no respect.. a .500 team in a weak division?? Try one of the best offense with a up and coming D that will win the division for years to come.I would love to hear the ten teams you rank higher.
 
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Billy Ball Thorton said:
David Yudkin said:
Crippler said:
David Yudkin said:
Crippler said:
Alot of these arguments almost sound like LT when he came in. Was SD not Air Coryell for all those years. High powered passing O. They had a brutal OL when LT came in and things changed quickly. And Lt did not have the supporting cast that Wells has.
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Coryell left SD in 1986. LT entered the league in 2001. There were 6 coaches in the middle. In 2000, the Bolts put up 3238/19 passing . . . not even close to the Air Coryell era.You are right, LT does not have the supporting cast that Wells has . . . which is why Wells won't get the ball 400 times like Tomlinson did in 2001 (along with his 3.6 ypc).ARI by comparison put up 4674/31 and made it to the Super Bowl. So we are to expect that they are going to stop what has been extremely successful (passing) in favor of something that they have been terrible at (running)?
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My point is that teams will change philosophy depending on the personal they now have to work with. SD once used to be a passing team and LT changed that to become a running team. And your right. I dont expect 400 carries either but than I expect the better than 3.6 avg of LT. Wells to me is a very dynamic talent and the opportunity is still there. I dont care that a team has not did this for 15 years. I am sure there is lots of examples of huge runs of being one way or another in the NFL and those always change. Just like the Cardinals past futility changed in one year
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Even though they had a nice SB run, I still don't consider Arizona much more than a .500 team playing in a very weak division. I'm not sure I would consider them in the top third of the league if I were to rank the teams.
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Wow no respect.. a .500 team in a weak division?? Try one of the best offense with a up and coming D that will win the division for years to come.I would love to hear the ten teams you rank higher.
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Seeing as the division they were in sucked (a lot) last year with one team over .500 - by one game- I would say its fair to call them in a weak division. That up and coming Defense you talk about was 28th in the league in giving up points. They have an excellent offense but their defense is c-r-a-p. Hey, what does a great offense and a lousy defense get you? an average team? Yep sounds about right.
 
baconisgood said:
Hey, what does a great offense and a lousy defense get you?
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Last year it earned a trip to Tampa, this year hopefully it gets them a trip back to Flprida...Miami, Florida.I don't think anyone will argue that the Cardinals had a great defense last year, but not recognizing that they have a lot of talent on defense is silly. And the term up-and-coming is a term referencing the future, not last year. The D coordinator got fired, they retained their best defensive players in A. Wilson, Karlos Dansby, and Darnell Dockett, they have what appears to be a developping star at CB in DRC, and they added McFadden to take the place of Rod Hood., and they still have one of the youngest units in the league. I'd say up-and-coming is a perfect term to describe the Cardinal defense. And to bring it back on topic, if the defense can improve by a slight margin, that should greatly impact the running game and Beanie Wells, as they run out clocks , instead of air it out late in games.
 
Crippler said:
Alot of these arguments almost sound like LT when he came in. Was SD not Air Coryell for all those years. High powered passing O. They had a brutal OL when LT came in and things changed quickly. And Lt did not have the supporting cast that Wells has. And Edge at end of career and Hightower are tomato cans. Wells can take it to the house on every carry and brings a new dimension to this team.
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i gotta disagree a bit here. what i saw was missed unsustained/missed blocks and RB's getting hit in the backfield consistently. now maybe Beanie will be able to overcome this. or maybe the line has improved at run blocking, but i'm just goin by what i saw.
 
I think he'll be a ROY candidate. To me he's the best RB in this class by a fair margin. 1180 yds rushing, 9 TDs, 19 catches, 110 yds.

 
Lets review Beanie Wells' college career:

He played at OSU, clearly the most talented team in a weak conference.

The OSU offensive line consistently opened up wide lanes for him to run through.

He looked fast against the Big Ten, not so much against USC or Florida.

He was not generally not considered the top RB in his class.

Now lets review the Cardinals:

They have a dynamic passing attack with a ton of money tied up in their QB and top 2 WRs

Their Oline has shown an inability over the years to open holes regardless of the RB.

Their defense was sieve-like at times last year.

Unless I see something during preseason games from Wells, I'll be avoiding him like the plague. He's not a sure bet to beat out Hightower, and even if he does he's not guarenteed to gain goaline duties.

 
dparker713 said:
Lets review Beanie Wells' college career:He played at OSU, clearly the most talented team in a weak conference.The OSU offensive line consistently opened up wide lanes for him to run through.He looked fast against the Big Ten, not so much against USC or Florida.He was not generally not considered the top RB in his class.Now lets review the Cardinals:They have a dynamic passing attack with a ton of money tied up in their QB and top 2 WRsTheir Oline has shown an inability over the years to open holes regardless of the RB.Their defense was sieve-like at times last year.Unless I see something during preseason games from Wells, I'll be avoiding him like the plague. He's not a sure bet to beat out Hightower, and even if he does he's not guarenteed to gain goaline duties.
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Let's review:1. Penn State was the most talented team in the Big 10, and it's not a "Weak" conference. Compared to the SCC, sure it is but every other one is too.2. Chris Wells didn't look fast against USC and Florida you say??? HE NEVER PLAYED EITHER OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!Come on man, if you're going to knock the guy, at least have your facts straight. Your credibility level just went down to zero.
 
Multiple Scores said:
dparker713 said:
Lets review Beanie Wells' college career:He played at OSU, clearly the most talented team in a weak conference.The OSU offensive line consistently opened up wide lanes for him to run through.He looked fast against the Big Ten, not so much against USC or Florida.He was not generally not considered the top RB in his class.Now lets review the Cardinals:They have a dynamic passing attack with a ton of money tied up in their QB and top 2 WRsTheir Oline has shown an inability over the years to open holes regardless of the RB.Their defense was sieve-like at times last year.Unless I see something during preseason games from Wells, I'll be avoiding him like the plague. He's not a sure bet to beat out Hightower, and even if he does he's not guarenteed to gain goaline duties.
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Let's review:1. Penn State was the most talented team in the Big 10, and it's not a "Weak" conference. Compared to the SCC, sure it is but every other one is too.2. Chris Wells didn't look fast against USC and Florida you say??? HE NEVER PLAYED EITHER OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!Come on man, if you're going to knock the guy, at least have your facts straight. Your credibility level just went down to zero.
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1. Penn State may have won their head to head, but they werent the more talented team last year or the year before. The Big Ten is easily behind the Big12, SEC and Pac-10. They're on par with the Big East and maybe even the Moutain West. 2. Got the championship embaressments mixed up, so sorry. However, he did play against Florida, 2 carries for 9 yards. As for USC, it was a jokingly included, but now that you point it out, he doesnt exactly seem tough after the way it was speculated he might play against USC and also he sat for the second half against Texas.Fact remains, he doesnt display breakaway speed in the NFL, its adequate, but if he isnt running away from defensive backs in the Big 10, he's not going to be running away from them in the NFL.
 
dparker713 said:
Multiple Scores said:
dparker713 said:
Lets review Beanie Wells' college career:

He played at OSU, clearly the most talented team in a weak conference.

The OSU offensive line consistently opened up wide lanes for him to run through.

He looked fast against the Big Ten, not so much against USC or Florida.

He was not generally not considered the top RB in his class.

Now lets review the Cardinals:

They have a dynamic passing attack with a ton of money tied up in their QB and top 2 WRs

Their Oline has shown an inability over the years to open holes regardless of the RB.

Their defense was sieve-like at times last year.

Unless I see something during preseason games from Wells, I'll be avoiding him like the plague. He's not a sure bet to beat out Hightower, and even if he does he's not guarenteed to gain goaline duties.
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Let's review:1. Penn State was the most talented team in the Big 10, and it's not a "Weak" conference. Compared to the SCC, sure it is but every other one is too.

2. Chris Wells didn't look fast against USC and Florida you say??? HE NEVER PLAYED EITHER OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on man, if you're going to knock the guy, at least have your facts straight. Your credibility level just went down to zero.
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1. Penn State may have won their head to head, but they werent the more talented team last year or the year before. The Big Ten is easily behind the Big12, SEC and Pac-10. They're on par with the Big East and maybe even the Moutain West. 2. Got the championship embaressments mixed up, so sorry. However, he did play against Florida, 2 carries for 9 yards. As for USC, it was a jokingly included, but now that you point it out, he doesnt exactly seem tough after the way it was speculated he might play against USC and also he sat for the second half against Texas.

Fact remains, he doesnt display breakaway speed in the NFL, its adequate, but if he isnt running away from defensive backs in the Big 10, he's not going to be running away from them in the NFL.
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Was it this
Beanie has more 20+ yard runs than Moreno, McCoy and the rest of the big time backs coming out this year.

 
less than 750 yards, 5 TDs, less than 10 receptions, multiple games sat out due to injury.

 
I think alot of you have him slotted for too many carries. You figure his baseline will be ATLEAST Edges 08' of 133att 513yds 3tds and you figure Hightower will probably reach his numbers of last year. Whisenhunt has said he'd like to run the ball more and Todd Haley is gone.

I see Beanie with a MAX of 200 carries 700-900 yards 6tds. Anything higher than 200 carries is probably unreasonable.

 
Multiple Scores said:
dparker713 said:
Multiple Scores said:
dparker713 said:
Lets review Beanie Wells' college career:

He played at OSU, clearly the most talented team in a weak conference.

The OSU offensive line consistently opened up wide lanes for him to run through.

He looked fast against the Big Ten, not so much against USC or Florida.

He was not generally not considered the top RB in his class.

Now lets review the Cardinals:

They have a dynamic passing attack with a ton of money tied up in their QB and top 2 WRs

Their Oline has shown an inability over the years to open holes regardless of the RB.

Their defense was sieve-like at times last year.

Unless I see something during preseason games from Wells, I'll be avoiding him like the plague. He's not a sure bet to beat out Hightower, and even if he does he's not guarenteed to gain goaline duties.
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Let's review:1. Penn State was the most talented team in the Big 10, and it's not a "Weak" conference. Compared to the SCC, sure it is but every other one is too.

2. Chris Wells didn't look fast against USC and Florida you say??? HE NEVER PLAYED EITHER OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on man, if you're going to knock the guy, at least have your facts straight. Your credibility level just went down to zero.
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1. Penn State may have won their head to head, but they werent the more talented team last year or the year before. The Big Ten is easily behind the Big12, SEC and Pac-10. They're on par with the Big East and maybe even the Moutain West. 2. Got the championship embaressments mixed up, so sorry. However, he did play against Florida, 2 carries for 9 yards. As for USC, it was a jokingly included, but now that you point it out, he doesnt exactly seem tough after the way it was speculated he might play against USC and also he sat for the second half against Texas.

Fact remains, he doesnt display breakaway speed in the NFL, its adequate, but if he isnt running away from defensive backs in the Big 10, he's not going to be running away from them in the NFL.
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In neither of those runs is he able to run away from the defense. First run, the defense overpersues and the safety has to try to cover for a blown contain. He is somewhat faster than Glenn Dorsey, but he is not exactly a speed rushing DE. Second run, the safety takes a bad angle, but after he adjusts they're running around the same speed - though the safety gains a step over 20 or so yards. The safety was Craig Steltz, and the knock on him coming out of college was his lack of athleticism and his 4.59 40. This is the type of player a back with breakaway speed leaves in the dust, instead he's able to recover and have a chance to drive at his feet to trip Wells up.The 20+ yard run stat is fairly meaningless, the context of those runs and what a RB actually does when has chances presented to him are far more important. And I've seen very little game breaking ability from the RBs in this class, so that number is not particularly surprising given the level of opponents OSU faced and the quality of their Oline.

Wells is an adequate back in many ways, but he's not going to carry a running game on his shoulders. He'll get the yards he's supposed to get, no more no less.

 
dparker713 said:
Multiple Scores said:
dparker713 said:
Multiple Scores said:
Lets review Beanie Wells' college career:

He played at OSU, clearly the most talented team in a weak conference.

The OSU offensive line consistently opened up wide lanes for him to run through.

He looked fast against the Big Ten, not so much against USC or Florida.

He was not generally not considered the top RB in his class.

Now lets review the Cardinals:

They have a dynamic passing attack with a ton of money tied up in their QB and top 2 WRs

Their Oline has shown an inability over the years to open holes regardless of the RB.

Their defense was sieve-like at times last year.

Unless I see something during preseason games from Wells, I'll be avoiding him like the plague. He's not a sure bet to beat out Hightower, and even if he does he's not guarenteed to gain goaline duties.
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Let's review:1. Penn State was the most talented team in the Big 10, and it's not a "Weak" conference. Compared to the SCC, sure it is but every other one is too.

2. Chris Wells didn't look fast against USC and Florida you say??? HE NEVER PLAYED EITHER OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on man, if you're going to knock the guy, at least have your facts straight. Your credibility level just went down to zero.
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1. Penn State may have won their head to head, but they werent the more talented team last year or the year before. The Big Ten is easily behind the Big12, SEC and Pac-10. They're on par with the Big East and maybe even the Moutain West. 2. Got the championship embaressments mixed up, so sorry. However, he did play against Florida, 2 carries for 9 yards. As for USC, it was a jokingly included, but now that you point it out, he doesnt exactly seem tough after the way it was speculated he might play against USC and also he sat for the second half against Texas.

Fact remains, he doesnt display breakaway speed in the NFL, its adequate, but if he isnt running away from defensive backs in the Big 10, he's not going to be running away from them in the NFL.
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Dude, I have so many disagreements with you all your posts I won't even start with them allPenn State was a much better team than Ohio State last year

 
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dparker713 said:
Lets review Beanie Wells' college career:

He played at OSU, clearly the most talented team in a weak conference.

The OSU offensive line consistently opened up wide lanes for him to run through.

He looked fast against the Big Ten, not so much against USC or Florida.

He was not generally not considered the top RB in his class.

Now lets review the Cardinals:

They have a dynamic passing attack with a ton of money tied up in their QB and top 2 WRs

Their Oline has shown an inability over the years to open holes regardless of the RB.

Their defense was sieve-like at times last year.

Unless I see something during preseason games from Wells, I'll be avoiding him like the plague. He's not a sure bet to beat out Hightower, and even if he does he's not guarenteed to gain goaline duties.
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You can admit you didn't watch any/much of Ohio State football last year, it's ok.The Ohio St offensive line was the most criticized unit on the Buckeyes throughout the 2008 season, for good reason too.

 
I think that Arizona would like to run more. I believe Wisenhunt etc. honestly plan to do so but they haven't been able to because of OL and no talent at RB. Wells looks like a legitimately talented #1 RB. I don't see any reason to doubt his speed and he has good size too. I don't remember the last time they had one-Garrison Hearst? Anyway, I think this may allow them to change their approach.

I can't speak to their OL yet-guys like David Yudkin will know that better than I do-but Clayton Gray's SOS has Arizona with the easiest schedule vs. the run this year with 7 easy matchups vs. only 1 tough one. Additionally, I wonder what will happen if/when Warner gets hurt. Presumably they'll try to run a bit more? Warner is what 38 and last year he played 16g for only the 2nd time in his career. I don't see him doing that again.

I don't see Hightower as a real threat. I do see his TDs as potential for Wells. The question to me is can he stay healthy? That tempers my # of carries a bit. I'll go

225/1000/8 TDs, somewhat negligible receiving numbers and 1 TD?

Maybe Hightower takes goal line duties, I don't think we know that at this time. If so that would obviously push Wells' TDs down.

I'm thinking Deuce McAllister is a good comp for Wells-good size, better speed than you think especially straight ahead a la Herschel Walker and maybe some durability concerns.

edit - lowered rushing TD total after thinking about it for a while

 
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dparker713 said:
Multiple Scores said:
dparker713 said:
Multiple Scores said:
Lets review Beanie Wells' college career:

He played at OSU, clearly the most talented team in a weak conference.

The OSU offensive line consistently opened up wide lanes for him to run through.

He looked fast against the Big Ten, not so much against USC or Florida.

He was not generally not considered the top RB in his class.

Now lets review the Cardinals:

They have a dynamic passing attack with a ton of money tied up in their QB and top 2 WRs

Their Oline has shown an inability over the years to open holes regardless of the RB.

Their defense was sieve-like at times last year.

Unless I see something during preseason games from Wells, I'll be avoiding him like the plague. He's not a sure bet to beat out Hightower, and even if he does he's not guarenteed to gain goaline duties.
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Let's review:1. Penn State was the most talented team in the Big 10, and it's not a "Weak" conference. Compared to the SCC, sure it is but every other one is too.

2. Chris Wells didn't look fast against USC and Florida you say??? HE NEVER PLAYED EITHER OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on man, if you're going to knock the guy, at least have your facts straight. Your credibility level just went down to zero.
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1. Penn State may have won their head to head, but they werent the more talented team last year or the year before. The Big Ten is easily behind the Big12, SEC and Pac-10. They're on par with the Big East and maybe even the Moutain West. 2. Got the championship embaressments mixed up, so sorry. However, he did play against Florida, 2 carries for 9 yards. As for USC, it was a jokingly included, but now that you point it out, he doesnt exactly seem tough after the way it was speculated he might play against USC and also he sat for the second half against Texas.

Fact remains, he doesnt display breakaway speed in the NFL, its adequate, but if he isnt running away from defensive backs in the Big 10, he's not going to be running away from them in the NFL.
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Dude, you should have stopped about 3 posts ago. This is getting very embarrassing for you....
 
Wanted to check the numbers for myself on this guy. From watching him play, I got the impression that he took himself out of games way too much. Maybe I just remember him doing this in the Fiesta Bowl against Texas and that has clouded my vision. The rushing defensive ranking that I found uses total rush yards against as the determining factor, so take that for what you will considering this is the NCAA.

TEAM RANK RESULT

Minnesota 68th 14 carries 106 yards 0 TD

Wisconsin 44th 22 carries 168 yards 1 TD

Purdue 93rd 22 carries 94 yards 0 TD

Michigan St 67th 31 carries 140 yards 2 TD

Penn St 8th 22 carries 55 yards 0 TD

Northwestern 34th 28 carries 140 yards 2 TD

Illinois 77th 24 carries 143 yards 1 TD

Michigan 50th 15 carries 134 yards 1 TD

Texas 3rd 16 carries 106 yards 0 TD

He missed 3 games due to a foot injury. He did take himself out of games. The reason why he did that will determine his success in the NFL.

 
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ARI as a team has had a ypc of 3.5, 3.6, 3.2, 3.2, and 3.5 the past 5 years. Whisenhunt has said each year that he was there that they would run more and pass less. He and Grimm are entering their third season and pretty much have had the same personnel to work with at OL. All along, teams have played the Cardinals to pass and they still couldn't run. I'm not sure Wells on his own changes that equation very much . . .
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:goodposting: its not like Edge and Hightower are tomato cans. the Cards just flat out cant run the ball. Beanies' success will directly be linked to how well the O-line run blocks.800/5
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EJ was fairly well past his prime when he joined AZ and LONG past it by last year while Hightower did well all things considered but it was obvious he is not capable of being the 'go to' guy all year. neither are in Well's class and I'm not a big Wells fan. not saying he will dominate the league but the injury thing is I think the only thing that will stop him from being at least a good #2 RB or even a #1 RB possible (no not saying plan for that of course!)
 
Billy Ball Thorton said:
Wow no respect.. a .500 team in a weak division?? Try one of the best offense with a up and coming D that will win the division for years to come.I would love to hear the ten teams you rank higher.
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In no particular order:1. Steelers (just wanted to make sure I got that one)2. Pats3. Titans4. Colts5. Chargers6. Panthers7. Giants8. RavensThis is where it gets a bit murky for me:Atlanta, Philly, New Orleans (basically a better passing team with a bit worse D) Miami ad Arizona are all really close for me, almost interchangeable. Although NO probably goes below Arizona.
 
Instinctive said:
Billy Ball Thorton said:
Wow no respect.. a .500 team in a weak division?? Try one of the best offense with a up and coming D that will win the division for years to come.I would love to hear the ten teams you rank higher.
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In no particular order:1. Steelers (just wanted to make sure I got that one)2. Pats3. Titans4. Colts5. Chargers6. Panthers7. Giants8. RavensThis is where it gets a bit murky for me:Atlanta, Philly, New Orleans (basically a better passing team with a bit worse D) Miami ad Arizona are all really close for me, almost interchangeable. Although NO probably goes below Arizona.
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I like the Cards defense more than the Colts and Chargers personally
 
jurb26 said:
Dude, you should have stopped about 3 posts ago. This is getting very embarrassing for you....
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Picking the guys two best plays against tough competition and he just doesnt stand out as a true impact player in even his best highlights. Maybe you guys should take a closer look at those plays.Wells does nothing exceptionally. He doesnt have great speed, vision or balance. He's a big back that is well rounded going into a bad running situation. The majority of the people are projecting him for enough points to be in the top 18. This is typical post draft inflation. He's behind the curve as he's been unable to participate in OTAs due to an NFL rule. He's someone to keep an eye on in the preseason games, but to this point its entirely wishful thinking to project Wells as a consistent fantasy starter. BTW, being the better team is not the same thing as being more talented.
 
dparker713 said:
jurb26 said:
Dude, you should have stopped about 3 posts ago. This is getting very embarrassing for you....
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Picking the guys two best plays against tough competition and he just doesnt stand out as a true impact player in even his best highlights. Maybe you guys should take a closer look at those plays.Wells does nothing exceptionally. He doesnt have great speed, vision or balance. He's a big back that is well rounded going into a bad running situation. The majority of the people are projecting him for enough points to be in the top 18. This is typical post draft inflation. He's behind the curve as he's been unable to participate in OTAs due to an NFL rule. He's someone to keep an eye on in the preseason games, but to this point its entirely wishful thinking to project Wells as a consistent fantasy starter. BTW, being the better team is not the same thing as being more talented.
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Don't know where you are getting the no vision. In games I have seen he reads his blocks very well, especially (and most importantly) at the line of scrimmage. No, he doesn't have explosive speed, but he is going to be a very good between the tackles runner.
 
Balco said:
dparker713 said:
jurb26 said:
Dude, you should have stopped about 3 posts ago. This is getting very embarrassing for you....
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Picking the guys two best plays against tough competition and he just doesnt stand out as a true impact player in even his best highlights. Maybe you guys should take a closer look at those plays.Wells does nothing exceptionally. He doesnt have great speed, vision or balance. He's a big back that is well rounded going into a bad running situation. The majority of the people are projecting him for enough points to be in the top 18. This is typical post draft inflation. He's behind the curve as he's been unable to participate in OTAs due to an NFL rule. He's someone to keep an eye on in the preseason games, but to this point its entirely wishful thinking to project Wells as a consistent fantasy starter. BTW, being the better team is not the same thing as being more talented.
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Don't know where you are getting the no vision. In games I have seen he reads his blocks very well, especially (and most importantly) at the line of scrimmage. No, he doesn't have explosive speed, but he is going to be a very good between the tackles runner.
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Didn't say no vision. I said he lacks great vision. He's got fairly good vision, he's a fairly good all around back, but he doesn't have a skill set to carry a running game on his shoulders. On a good running team he'd be an asset this year; he's not on a good running team.
 
I like Wells and think he'll have a better year than any of his recent predecessors. However, I think there is one thing limiting the ARZ rushing attack that won't change in 09-10: the shot-gun formation. Kurt Warner is great out of the shot-gun and much of the ARZ explosiveness depends upon this formation, but it is difficult to consistantly run the ball from it. Runners receive the ball without much forward momentum and and it is tough to get the linemen in a 3 point stance or get a lead back into the hole without giving away the play. I'll likely own Wells in a league or two, but I think AZ willl always been in the bottom 5-10 rushing teams as long as Warner is QB.

 
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