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Player Spotlight: Lance Moore (1 Viewer)

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2009 Player Spotlight Series

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Thread Topic: Lance Moore, WR, New Orleans Saints

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Lance Moore is a player that I hope to be following in training camp. I hope that several Saint WRs "step up" and look good during the preseason with Moore playing little or none. Because I think that he will be the #2 WR for the Saints regardless of how well Arrington, Meacham, or Henderson perform in the pre-season. Moore's current ADP of WR31 and 84 overall could slip another round or two if he is held back in preseason and a few of the other WRs shine. Even though he will not be the primary WR, he could see close to the same number of targets as Colston, who has been injury prone throughout his career and is coming off micro-fracture surgery in January.

Consider that last season, Moore finished with 119 targets and 79 catches for a catch percentage of 66.4%. He is sure handed and Brees is accurate, a very nice combination. Add in that he started very slowly catching only three passes for 24 yards in the first two games. Wow, he averaged 5.4 catches on just over 8 targets per game the final 14 weeks of the season. Colston averaged nine targets per game in 07 and slipped to eight per game last year.

Despite Moore's smallish size at 5-11 184, he found openings all over the field and scored 10 TDs, with three multiple TD games. I think that he is the real deal and despite all the interest in the rest of the Saints youth, Moore will continue to produce for the Saints.

Lance Moore 122 targets 77 catches 924 yards 12.0 ypc and 8 TDs

 
rzrback77 said:
Lance Moore is a player that I hope to be following in training camp. I hope that several Saint WRs "step up" and look good during the preseason with Moore playing little or none. Because I think that he will be the #2 WR for the Saints regardless of how well Arrington, Meacham, or Henderson perform in the pre-season. Moore's current ADP of WR31 and 84 overall could slip another round or two if he is held back in preseason and a few of the other WRs shine. Even though he will not be the primary WR, he could see close to the same number of targets as Colston, who has been injury prone throughout his career and is coming off micro-fracture surgery in January.Consider that last season, Moore finished with 119 targets and 79 catches for a catch percentage of 66.4%. He is sure handed and Brees is accurate, a very nice combination. Add in that he started very slowly catching only three passes for 24 yards in the first two games. Wow, he averaged 5.4 catches on just over 8 targets per game the final 14 weeks of the season. Colston averaged nine targets per game in 07 and slipped to eight per game last year.Despite Moore's smallish size at 5-11 184, he found openings all over the field and scored 10 TDs, with three multiple TD games. I think that he is the real deal and despite all the interest in the rest of the Saints youth, Moore will continue to produce for the Saints.Lance Moore 122 targets 77 catches 924 yards 12.0 ypc and 8 TDs
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122 target projection in 2010? If you go back and look at the last 3 years, #2 WRs under Peyton have averaged about 80-90 looks. With Colston, Bush and Shockey healthy, I dont see how Moore can surpass 80 looks. Even with all those injuries, Moore only had 113 targets. I think you may be over projecting, IMO.Expect something more along the lines of 55rec 660yds, 12ypc, 6TDs
 
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Maven said:
rzrback77 said:
Lance Moore is a player that I hope to be following in training camp. I hope that several Saint WRs "step up" and look good during the preseason with Moore playing little or none. Because I think that he will be the #2 WR for the Saints regardless of how well Arrington, Meacham, or Henderson perform in the pre-season. Moore's current ADP of WR31 and 84 overall could slip another round or two if he is held back in preseason and a few of the other WRs shine. Even though he will not be the primary WR, he could see close to the same number of targets as Colston, who has been injury prone throughout his career and is coming off micro-fracture surgery in January.Consider that last season, Moore finished with 119 targets and 79 catches for a catch percentage of 66.4%. He is sure handed and Brees is accurate, a very nice combination. Add in that he started very slowly catching only three passes for 24 yards in the first two games. Wow, he averaged 5.4 catches on just over 8 targets per game the final 14 weeks of the season. Colston averaged nine targets per game in 07 and slipped to eight per game last year.Despite Moore's smallish size at 5-11 184, he found openings all over the field and scored 10 TDs, with three multiple TD games. I think that he is the real deal and despite all the interest in the rest of the Saints youth, Moore will continue to produce for the Saints.Lance Moore 122 targets 77 catches 924 yards 12.0 ypc and 8 TDs
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122 target projection in 2010? If you go back and look at the last 3 years, #2 WRs under Peyton have averaged about 80-90 looks. With Colston, Bush and Shockey healthy, I dont see how Moore can surpass 80 looks. Even with all those injuries, Moore only had 113 targets. I think you may be over projecting, IMO.Expect something more along the lines of 55rec 660yds, 12ypc, 6TDs
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Welker is seeing 150 targets a year as the #2 in New England. Lance could fill a similar role in NO.
 
Darko M said:
Maven said:
rzrback77 said:
Lance Moore is a player that I hope to be following in training camp. I hope that several Saint WRs "step up" and look good during the preseason with Moore playing little or none. Because I think that he will be the #2 WR for the Saints regardless of how well Arrington, Meacham, or Henderson perform in the pre-season. Moore's current ADP of WR31 and 84 overall could slip another round or two if he is held back in preseason and a few of the other WRs shine. Even though he will not be the primary WR, he could see close to the same number of targets as Colston, who has been injury prone throughout his career and is coming off micro-fracture surgery in January.Consider that last season, Moore finished with 119 targets and 79 catches for a catch percentage of 66.4%. He is sure handed and Brees is accurate, a very nice combination. Add in that he started very slowly catching only three passes for 24 yards in the first two games. Wow, he averaged 5.4 catches on just over 8 targets per game the final 14 weeks of the season. Colston averaged nine targets per game in 07 and slipped to eight per game last year.Despite Moore's smallish size at 5-11 184, he found openings all over the field and scored 10 TDs, with three multiple TD games. I think that he is the real deal and despite all the interest in the rest of the Saints youth, Moore will continue to produce for the Saints.Lance Moore 122 targets 77 catches 924 yards 12.0 ypc and 8 TDs
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122 target projection in 2010? If you go back and look at the last 3 years, #2 WRs under Peyton have averaged about 80-90 looks. With Colston, Bush and Shockey healthy, I dont see how Moore can surpass 80 looks. Even with all those injuries, Moore only had 113 targets. I think you may be over projecting, IMO.Expect something more along the lines of 55rec 660yds, 12ypc, 6TDs
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Welker is seeing 150 targets a year as the #2 in New England. Lance could fill a similar role in NO.
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Only thing is youre making a comparison between two totally different offenses. Add to the fact Welker catches most of his passes come from out the slot and on crossing routes. The Patriots don't have as many quality offensive weapons as the Saints also. Moore will def. be fighting for looks this season.
 
Maven said:
Darko M said:
Maven said:
rzrback77 said:
Lance Moore is a player that I hope to be following in training camp. I hope that several Saint WRs "step up" and look good during the preseason with Moore playing little or none. Because I think that he will be the #2 WR for the Saints regardless of how well Arrington, Meacham, or Henderson perform in the pre-season. Moore's current ADP of WR31 and 84 overall could slip another round or two if he is held back in preseason and a few of the other WRs shine. Even though he will not be the primary WR, he could see close to the same number of targets as Colston, who has been injury prone throughout his career and is coming off micro-fracture surgery in January.

Consider that last season, Moore finished with 119 targets and 79 catches for a catch percentage of 66.4%. He is sure handed and Brees is accurate, a very nice combination. Add in that he started very slowly catching only three passes for 24 yards in the first two games. Wow, he averaged 5.4 catches on just over 8 targets per game the final 14 weeks of the season. Colston averaged nine targets per game in 07 and slipped to eight per game last year.

Despite Moore's smallish size at 5-11 184, he found openings all over the field and scored 10 TDs, with three multiple TD games. I think that he is the real deal and despite all the interest in the rest of the Saints youth, Moore will continue to produce for the Saints.

Lance Moore 122 targets 77 catches 924 yards 12.0 ypc and 8 TDs
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122 target projection in 2010? If you go back and look at the last 3 years, #2 WRs under Peyton have averaged about 80-90 looks. With Colston, Bush and Shockey healthy, I dont see how Moore can surpass 80 looks. Even with all those injuries, Moore only had 113 targets. I think you may be over projecting, IMO.Expect something more along the lines of 55rec 660yds, 12ypc, 6TDs
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Welker is seeing 150 targets a year as the #2 in New England. Lance could fill a similar role in NO.
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Only thing is youre making a comparison between two totally different offenses. Add to the fact Welker catches most of his passes come from out the slot and on crossing routes. The Patriots don't have as many quality offensive weapons as the Saints also. Moore will def. be fighting for looks this season.
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The Patriots have better offensive weapons than the Saints. Faulk, Maroney, and Taylor are all good receivers out of the backfield. At TE Watson, Baker, and Smith are a solid group. The quartet of Moss, Welker, Galloway, and Lewis is tops in the league(with Arizona). It's essentially the same offense as 2007 when they set all kinds of records with the additions of Fred Taylor, Joey Galloway, and Chris Baker.
 
Maven said:
Darko M said:
Maven said:
rzrback77 said:
Lance Moore is a player that I hope to be following in training camp. I hope that several Saint WRs "step up" and look good during the preseason with Moore playing little or none. Because I think that he will be the #2 WR for the Saints regardless of how well Arrington, Meacham, or Henderson perform in the pre-season. Moore's current ADP of WR31 and 84 overall could slip another round or two if he is held back in preseason and a few of the other WRs shine. Even though he will not be the primary WR, he could see close to the same number of targets as Colston, who has been injury prone throughout his career and is coming off micro-fracture surgery in January.Consider that last season, Moore finished with 119 targets and 79 catches for a catch percentage of 66.4%. He is sure handed and Brees is accurate, a very nice combination. Add in that he started very slowly catching only three passes for 24 yards in the first two games. Wow, he averaged 5.4 catches on just over 8 targets per game the final 14 weeks of the season. Colston averaged nine targets per game in 07 and slipped to eight per game last year.Despite Moore's smallish size at 5-11 184, he found openings all over the field and scored 10 TDs, with three multiple TD games. I think that he is the real deal and despite all the interest in the rest of the Saints youth, Moore will continue to produce for the Saints.Lance Moore 122 targets 77 catches 924 yards 12.0 ypc and 8 TDs
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122 target projection in 2010? If you go back and look at the last 3 years, #2 WRs under Peyton have averaged about 80-90 looks. With Colston, Bush and Shockey healthy, I dont see how Moore can surpass 80 looks. Even with all those injuries, Moore only had 113 targets. I think you may be over projecting, IMO.Expect something more along the lines of 55rec 660yds, 12ypc, 6TDs
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Welker is seeing 150 targets a year as the #2 in New England. Lance could fill a similar role in NO.
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Only thing is youre making a comparison between two totally different offenses. Add to the fact Welker catches most of his passes come from out the slot and on crossing routes. The Patriots don't have as many quality offensive weapons as the Saints also. Moore will def. be fighting for looks this season.
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That Moore to Welker comparison isn't from me, I actually saw an "expert" (I forget who) make that claim on the NFL Network.
 
Maven said:
Darko M said:
Maven said:
rzrback77 said:
Lance Moore is a player that I hope to be following in training camp. I hope that several Saint WRs "step up" and look good during the preseason with Moore playing little or none. Because I think that he will be the #2 WR for the Saints regardless of how well Arrington, Meacham, or Henderson perform in the pre-season. Moore's current ADP of WR31 and 84 overall could slip another round or two if he is held back in preseason and a few of the other WRs shine. Even though he will not be the primary WR, he could see close to the same number of targets as Colston, who has been injury prone throughout his career and is coming off micro-fracture surgery in January.Consider that last season, Moore finished with 119 targets and 79 catches for a catch percentage of 66.4%. He is sure handed and Brees is accurate, a very nice combination. Add in that he started very slowly catching only three passes for 24 yards in the first two games. Wow, he averaged 5.4 catches on just over 8 targets per game the final 14 weeks of the season. Colston averaged nine targets per game in 07 and slipped to eight per game last year.Despite Moore's smallish size at 5-11 184, he found openings all over the field and scored 10 TDs, with three multiple TD games. I think that he is the real deal and despite all the interest in the rest of the Saints youth, Moore will continue to produce for the Saints.Lance Moore 122 targets 77 catches 924 yards 12.0 ypc and 8 TDs
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122 target projection in 2010? If you go back and look at the last 3 years, #2 WRs under Peyton have averaged about 80-90 looks. With Colston, Bush and Shockey healthy, I dont see how Moore can surpass 80 looks. Even with all those injuries, Moore only had 113 targets. I think you may be over projecting, IMO.Expect something more along the lines of 55rec 660yds, 12ypc, 6TDs
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Welker is seeing 150 targets a year as the #2 in New England. Lance could fill a similar role in NO.
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Only thing is youre making a comparison between two totally different offenses. Add to the fact Welker catches most of his passes come from out the slot and on crossing routes. The Patriots don't have as many quality offensive weapons as the Saints also. Moore will def. be fighting for looks this season.
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With who .Arrington , done .Henderson , please.Meacehm , a Bust .
 
Traders2001 said:
Maven said:
Darko M said:
Maven said:
rzrback77 said:
Lance Moore is a player that I hope to be following in training camp. I hope that several Saint WRs "step up" and look good during the preseason with Moore playing little or none. Because I think that he will be the #2 WR for the Saints regardless of how well Arrington, Meacham, or Henderson perform in the pre-season. Moore's current ADP of WR31 and 84 overall could slip another round or two if he is held back in preseason and a few of the other WRs shine. Even though he will not be the primary WR, he could see close to the same number of targets as Colston, who has been injury prone throughout his career and is coming off micro-fracture surgery in January.

Consider that last season, Moore finished with 119 targets and 79 catches for a catch percentage of 66.4%. He is sure handed and Brees is accurate, a very nice combination. Add in that he started very slowly catching only three passes for 24 yards in the first two games. Wow, he averaged 5.4 catches on just over 8 targets per game the final 14 weeks of the season. Colston averaged nine targets per game in 07 and slipped to eight per game last year.

Despite Moore's smallish size at 5-11 184, he found openings all over the field and scored 10 TDs, with three multiple TD games. I think that he is the real deal and despite all the interest in the rest of the Saints youth, Moore will continue to produce for the Saints.

Lance Moore 122 targets 77 catches 924 yards 12.0 ypc and 8 TDs
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122 target projection in 2010? If you go back and look at the last 3 years, #2 WRs under Peyton have averaged about 80-90 looks. With Colston, Bush and Shockey healthy, I dont see how Moore can surpass 80 looks. Even with all those injuries, Moore only had 113 targets. I think you may be over projecting, IMO.Expect something more along the lines of 55rec 660yds, 12ypc, 6TDs
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Welker is seeing 150 targets a year as the #2 in New England. Lance could fill a similar role in NO.
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Only thing is youre making a comparison between two totally different offenses. Add to the fact Welker catches most of his passes come from out the slot and on crossing routes. The Patriots don't have as many quality offensive weapons as the Saints also. Moore will def. be fighting for looks this season.
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With who .Arrington , done .

Henderson , please.

Meacehm , a Bust .
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Really? Don't know how you can call that when he had a knee injury keep him out of his rookie campaign. This will be the year to make a sound judgement on Meecham.I feel he will clearly emerge as the #3 WR on this squad. That is not saying much with Colston, Bush, Shockey and Moore to suck in the production but he in my eyes has the talent to eventually become a heck of a player over the next several years.

As far as Moore....he is a scrapy player. I like underdogs like him (who doesn't?). If he is fully recovered I can see him hauling in:

70 receptions

800 Yards

5 TD's.

 
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Bush and Shockey get hurt every year, so if Moore stays healthy a repeat of last year is likely.
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only if colston is injured though. the other way the numbers go down for moore is if the saints run the ball more than they did last year. payton has talked about a more balanced approach to the playcalling. the running game will be even more important if the defense is improved and the saints look to control the clock with a lead.regardless, moore became the #1 WR via the backdoor. colston looks healthy and ready for the season. moore's numbers will dip, i think.
 
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Meachem is the WR to target, not the injured Moore.
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moore's injury situation is overstated. he's likely to play in the next preseason game. fwiw, meachem is a vertical threat and as such will only surpass henderson in that role. moore works the underneath routes. meachem/henderson role might produce yardage similar to that of moore by season's end but the reception total will favor moore.
 
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Meachem is the WR to target, not the injured Moore.
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:DThis kid is built much like Owens and Fitzgerald.He has a good set of hands and is quite quick/fast.I think this kid has the tools to become a good WR in the NFL.That being said.I see Moore's production to drop. Not much, but I think it will drop.I'll say 70Rec900yard8TD's
 
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Maven said:
Meachem is the WR to target, not the injured Moore.
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moore's injury situation is overstated. he's likely to play in the next preseason game. fwiw, meachem is a vertical threat and as such will only surpass henderson in that role. moore works the underneath routes. meachem/henderson role might produce yardage similar to that of moore by season's end but the reception total will favor moore.
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I'd agree with you but considering...a. how great Meachem has been in training camp this yearb. literally every player from brees, the GM and coach praising Meachem in every interview this offseasonc. drafted in the first round, big things expected d. moores injury and lack of practicee. Meachem performance in first preseason gamef. 3rd year wrg. 24yrs old, prime age for WRsh. his big play potentialAs a Moore owner, if he's your #2 or #3 wr I think all that has to be considered or atleast something to be concerned about. Dont get me wrong, Moore was great last year and appeared to have a great connection with Brees butttt....in my opinion, at the end of the year Moore will be forgotten and Meachem will be the talk of the Saints WR core.
 
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I'd agree with you but considering...a. how great Meachem has been in training camp this yearb. literally every player from brees, the GM and coach praising Meachem in every interview this offseasonc. drafted in the first round, big things expected d. moores injury and lack of practicee. Meachem performance in first preseason gamef. 3rd year wrg. 24yrs old, prime age for WRsh. his big play potentialAs a Moore owner, if he's your #2 or #3 wr I think all that has to be considered or atleast something to be concerned about. Dont get me wrong, Moore was great last year and appeared to have a great connection with Brees butttt....in my opinion, at the end of the year Moore will be forgotten and Meachem will be the talk of the Saints WR core.
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i'm thinking meachem will be a great value given his "bust" label. all the praise and hard work for him will only get him ahead of henderson and that value has been established, i think. the saints will take shots downfield but that's not their gameplan.moore's coming back this week and might play in the houston game. he'll be ready for the regular season. do i think he's overvalued coming into the season? totally. unless injuries lay waste to the offensive players again then he has almost no shot to repeat on his 2008 numbers.
 
saintfool said:
Maven said:
I'd agree with you but considering...a. how great Meachem has been in training camp this yearb. literally every player from brees, the GM and coach praising Meachem in every interview this offseasonc. drafted in the first round, big things expected d. moores injury and lack of practicee. Meachem performance in first preseason gamef. 3rd year wrg. 24yrs old, prime age for WRsh. his big play potentialAs a Moore owner, if he's your #2 or #3 wr I think all that has to be considered or atleast something to be concerned about. Dont get me wrong, Moore was great last year and appeared to have a great connection with Brees butttt....in my opinion, at the end of the year Moore will be forgotten and Meachem will be the talk of the Saints WR core.
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i'm thinking meachem will be a great value given his "bust" label. all the praise and hard work for him will only get him ahead of henderson and that value has been established, i think. the saints will take shots downfield but that's not their gameplan.moore's coming back this week and might play in the houston game. he'll be ready for the regular season. do i think he's overvalued coming into the season? totally. unless injuries lay waste to the offensive players again then he has almost no shot to repeat on his 2008 numbers.
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I see him as a slightly smaller but quicker version of Colston. I don't think he's limited to only deep routes. He doesn't seem to afraid to go over the middle to catch a ball.Just my thoughts.
 
Minnewildsota said:
I see him as a slightly smaller but quicker version of Colston. I don't think he's limited to only deep routes. He doesn't seem to afraid to go over the middle to catch a ball.Just my thoughts.
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moore and colston are the WRs that work the short and underneath routes. they have their roles pretty well defined. neither of them have real deep ball speed. while meachem *may* get the ball over the middle and hold onto it after contact, it's not what he or henderson are being asked to do. both guys have speed that colston and moore don't possess. moore may be quicker but that's a different skillset.
 
sportsline said that as of 8/16 he was NOT wearing the red-jersey anymore which indicates that he's back participating normally in training camp..

anybody have some insight on his health right now?

 
I have been a supporter of Meachem and think he will make great strides this year, but if Moore is healthy he will be the second most productive WR, not Meachem. Now, if Moore has trouble coming back from his injury, then Meachem is positioning himself to have a shot.

 
Meachem has nt done anything against first string defenses ( In pre season games ) to challenge Moore .

He probably passed Henderson but that s about it .

I think Moore is good for 80 receptions 900 yards 8 TD's.

 
Meachem wont play the same postion as Moore. I think Meachem breaks out this year end ends up the big play guy.

 
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Meachem wont play the same postion as Moore. I think Meachem breaks out this year end ends up the big play guy.
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I could see Meachem being a big play guy and being good in leagues that reward long plays, but I still find it hard to see him catching more than 40 passes for 600 yards.
 
Traders2001 said:
Meachem has nt done anything against first string defenses ( In pre season games ) to challenge Moore .

He probably passed Henderson but that s about it .

I think Moore is good for 80 receptions 900 yards 8 TD's.
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this is the only important thing to this discussion.
 
The key is really weather or not Moore is healthy and holds onto Brees' trust. Over the last 9 games of the season with Colston in the lineup, Moore had 75 targets, 47 receptions 587 yds and 8 TDs. The lowest number of targets in a game was 5 over that span.

It's a small sample size, but over a full season would be 83.5 receptions 1,043 yds and 14 TDs.

It's probably not realistic to expect the same TD production, but the targets were consistently high. Projecting 80-950-8 is a reasonable projection.

 
Grid71 said:
The key is really weather or not Moore is healthy and holds onto Brees' trust. Over the last 9 games of the season with Colston in the lineup, Moore had 75 targets, 47 receptions 587 yds and 8 TDs. The lowest number of targets in a game was 5 over that span.It's a small sample size, but over a full season would be 83.5 receptions 1,043 yds and 14 TDs. It's probably not realistic to expect the same TD production, but the targets were consistently high. Projecting 80-950-8 is a reasonable projection.
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And over the last 5 games when Colston was producing 31 catches for 438 yds and 5 TDs, guess what Lance Moore had?22 catches, 204 yds, 3 TDs.Colston is still the #1 guy.
 
Michael Fox said:
Grid71 said:
The key is really weather or not Moore is healthy and holds onto Brees' trust. Over the last 9 games of the season with Colston in the lineup, Moore had 75 targets, 47 receptions 587 yds and 8 TDs. The lowest number of targets in a game was 5 over that span.It's a small sample size, but over a full season would be 83.5 receptions 1,043 yds and 14 TDs. It's probably not realistic to expect the same TD production, but the targets were consistently high. Projecting 80-950-8 is a reasonable projection.
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And over the last 5 games when Colston was producing 31 catches for 438 yds and 5 TDs, guess what Lance Moore had?22 catches, 204 yds, 3 TDs.Colston is still the #1 guy.
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Absolutely! I don't think anyone was suggesting Lance Moore was the #1 WR. You're coming across as a defensive Colston owner.How about contributing by adding your projections for Moore this season?
 
Grid71 said:
Michael Fox said:
Grid71 said:
The key is really weather or not Moore is healthy and holds onto Brees' trust. Over the last 9 games of the season with Colston in the lineup, Moore had 75 targets, 47 receptions 587 yds and 8 TDs. The lowest number of targets in a game was 5 over that span.It's a small sample size, but over a full season would be 83.5 receptions 1,043 yds and 14 TDs. It's probably not realistic to expect the same TD production, but the targets were consistently high. Projecting 80-950-8 is a reasonable projection.
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And over the last 5 games when Colston was producing 31 catches for 438 yds and 5 TDs, guess what Lance Moore had?22 catches, 204 yds, 3 TDs.Colston is still the #1 guy.
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Absolutely! I don't think anyone was suggesting Lance Moore was the #1 WR. You're coming across as a defensive Colston owner.How about contributing by adding your projections for Moore this season?
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I don't own Colston or Moore. As a Brees owner, I'd be glad to see each of them go for 1500 yards and 12 TDs.I expect Moore to have ~45 catches, 600 yds, probably 5-7 TDs
 
Maven said:
rzrback77 said:
Lance Moore is a player that I hope to be following in training camp. I hope that several Saint WRs "step up" and look good during the preseason with Moore playing little or none. Because I think that he will be the #2 WR for the Saints regardless of how well Arrington, Meacham, or Henderson perform in the pre-season. Moore's current ADP of WR31 and 84 overall could slip another round or two if he is held back in preseason and a few of the other WRs shine. Even though he will not be the primary WR, he could see close to the same number of targets as Colston, who has been injury prone throughout his career and is coming off micro-fracture surgery in January.Consider that last season, Moore finished with 119 targets and 79 catches for a catch percentage of 66.4%. He is sure handed and Brees is accurate, a very nice combination. Add in that he started very slowly catching only three passes for 24 yards in the first two games. Wow, he averaged 5.4 catches on just over 8 targets per game the final 14 weeks of the season. Colston averaged nine targets per game in 07 and slipped to eight per game last year.Despite Moore's smallish size at 5-11 184, he found openings all over the field and scored 10 TDs, with three multiple TD games. I think that he is the real deal and despite all the interest in the rest of the Saints youth, Moore will continue to produce for the Saints.Lance Moore 122 targets 77 catches 924 yards 12.0 ypc and 8 TDs
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122 target projection in 2010? If you go back and look at the last 3 years, #2 WRs under Peyton have averaged about 80-90 looks. With Colston, Bush and Shockey healthy, I dont see how Moore can surpass 80 looks. Even with all those injuries, Moore only had 113 targets. I think you may be over projecting, IMO.Expect something more along the lines of 55rec 660yds, 12ypc, 6TDs
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I dunno about that. Colston is not fully healthy. he is recovering from microfracture surgery. I expect Moore will get more looks early in the season. and if Colston and/or Bush miss time to injury as they usually do, I can see him getting enough targets to be considered the #1 (or at least 1A) option in this offense.
 
Ray_T said:
I dunno about that. Colston is not fully healthy. he is recovering from microfracture surgery. I expect Moore will get more looks early in the season. and if Colston and/or Bush miss time to injury as they usually do, I can see him getting enough targets to be considered the #1 (or at least 1A) option in this offense.
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Well sure, if Colston gets injured then Lance Moore will get more looks. But if Colston stays healthy - a big if - then I see no reason to believe that Moore gets more than 3 catches per game.
 
Michael Fox said:
Ray_T said:
I dunno about that. Colston is not fully healthy. he is recovering from microfracture surgery. I expect Moore will get more looks early in the season. and if Colston and/or Bush miss time to injury as they usually do, I can see him getting enough targets to be considered the #1 (or at least 1A) option in this offense.
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Well sure, if Colston gets injured then Lance Moore will get more looks. But if Colston stays healthy - a big if - then I see no reason to believe that Moore gets more than 3 catches per game.
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So if Colston stays healthy you think Morre will get 48 or fewer catches? Heck, even mediocre David Patten had 54 catches in 2007 when Colston played every game. Moore had 32 and only started 4 games. In 12 seasons Patten never had a season as good as Moore did last year.
 
The Man With No Name said:
Michael Fox said:
Ray_T said:
I dunno about that. Colston is not fully healthy. he is recovering from microfracture surgery. I expect Moore will get more looks early in the season. and if Colston and/or Bush miss time to injury as they usually do, I can see him getting enough targets to be considered the #1 (or at least 1A) option in this offense.
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Well sure, if Colston gets injured then Lance Moore will get more looks. But if Colston stays healthy - a big if - then I see no reason to believe that Moore gets more than 3 catches per game.
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So if Colston stays healthy you think Morre will get 48 or fewer catches? Heck, even mediocre David Patten had 54 catches in 2007 when Colston played every game. Moore had 32 and only started 4 games. In 12 seasons Patten never had a season as good as Moore did last year.
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The Saints also completed 433 passes in 2007. In case you don't know, that is a lot.In the past 3 seasons, 14% is the highest share of passes that the #2 WR has received. If you assume the Saints complete 400 passes - more than last year - that would equate to 56 catches for Moore. At 12% share (in line with the 3-yr average for #2 WR), that would equate to 48 catches for Moore. I don't see why that is unreasonable.
 
Michael Fox said:
The Man With No Name said:
Michael Fox said:
Ray_T said:
I dunno about that. Colston is not fully healthy. he is recovering from microfracture surgery. I expect Moore will get more looks early in the season. and if Colston and/or Bush miss time to injury as they usually do, I can see him getting enough targets to be considered the #1 (or at least 1A) option in this offense.
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Well sure, if Colston gets injured then Lance Moore will get more looks. But if Colston stays healthy - a big if - then I see no reason to believe that Moore gets more than 3 catches per game.
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So if Colston stays healthy you think Morre will get 48 or fewer catches? Heck, even mediocre David Patten had 54 catches in 2007 when Colston played every game. Moore had 32 and only started 4 games. In 12 seasons Patten never had a season as good as Moore did last year.
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The Saints also completed 433 passes in 2007. In case you don't know, that is a lot.In the past 3 seasons, 14% is the highest share of passes that the #2 WR has received. If you assume the Saints complete 400 passes - more than last year - that would equate to 56 catches for Moore. At 12% share (in line with the 3-yr average for #2 WR), that would equate to 48 catches for Moore. I don't see why that is unreasonable.
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In the 11 games Colston played, Moore had 84 targets or 7.636 per game. His catch percentage was 66.4% in 2008 and was 67.7% in 2007. So even if for some reason he loses 2 targets per game he should still get about 60 catches.
 
I think you really gotta factor in both Bush and Colston returning in projectioning Moore. Moore really had a lot go right (from an individual standpoint) to produce the #'s he did. When both Bush/Colston were healthy, he did very very little.

He may have had #'s alongside a healthy Colston, just remember Bush was out most/if not all of that time.

I'm not predicting injuries here & don't feel comfortable projecting more than 55 catches (~3.5/game) 650 yards 4 TD.

 
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I dont know why some ppl think Colston has to get hurt for Moore to put up decent numbers. The Saints have a top 3 offense with the top fantasy QB throwing the ball. If Moore is the #2 WR, theres no reason he cant challenge 1000 yards and 7-9 TDs if he plays 16. See Boldin, Breaston, Royal, and Kevin Walter.

 
jsharlan said:
I dont know why some ppl think Colston has to get hurt for Moore to put up decent numbers. The Saints have a top 3 offense with the top fantasy QB throwing the ball. If Moore is the #2 WR, theres no reason he cant challenge 1000 yards and 7-9 TDs if he plays 16. See Boldin, Breaston, Royal, and Kevin Walter.
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Reggie Bush, Pierre Thomas & Shockey will get a lot of looks if healthy. Lots of different targets for Brees. I do think that limits Moore's upside somewhat.
 
inzanitee said:
jsharlan said:
I dont know why some ppl think Colston has to get hurt for Moore to put up decent numbers. The Saints have a top 3 offense with the top fantasy QB throwing the ball. If Moore is the #2 WR, theres no reason he cant challenge 1000 yards and 7-9 TDs if he plays 16. See Boldin, Breaston, Royal, and Kevin Walter.
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Reggie Bush, Pierre Thomas & Shockey will get a lot of looks if healthy. Lots of different targets for Brees. I do think that limits Moore's upside somewhat.
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Steve Slaton and Owen Daniels combined for 120 catches and yet Kevin Walter still got 900 yards and 8 TDs. A good QB like Brees will get the ball around.
 
jsharlan said:
inzanitee said:
jsharlan said:
I dont know why some ppl think Colston has to get hurt for Moore to put up decent numbers. The Saints have a top 3 offense with the top fantasy QB throwing the ball. If Moore is the #2 WR, theres no reason he cant challenge 1000 yards and 7-9 TDs if he plays 16. See Boldin, Breaston, Royal, and Kevin Walter.
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Reggie Bush, Pierre Thomas & Shockey will get a lot of looks if healthy. Lots of different targets for Brees. I do think that limits Moore's upside somewhat.
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Steve Slaton and Owen Daniels combined for 120 catches and yet Kevin Walter still got 900 yards and 8 TDs. A good QB like Brees will get the ball around.
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Bush has averaged 5.6 receptions a game with the Saints, Shockey 4.4 for his career and 4.2 with the Saints- thats almost 10 receptions per game for those two for close to 160 for a full season and Pierre Thomas and McCalister combined for 49 receptions last year. You are looking at 200+ receptions from Bush, Shockey and the RBs over a full season- Brees DOES get the ball around and that is Moore's problem- even with 400 + completions you have >200 from above, 80 From Colston, and that leaves 100-120 to go around Henderson, Meachem, Billy Miller and your assortment of back of the bench WRs, TEs, FBs and RBs. If the Saints are fully healthy its going to be hard for Moore to break 60 receptions. Hard.
 
baconisgood said:
jsharlan said:
inzanitee said:
jsharlan said:
I dont know why some ppl think Colston has to get hurt for Moore to put up decent numbers. The Saints have a top 3 offense with the top fantasy QB throwing the ball. If Moore is the #2 WR, theres no reason he cant challenge 1000 yards and 7-9 TDs if he plays 16. See Boldin, Breaston, Royal, and Kevin Walter.
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Reggie Bush, Pierre Thomas & Shockey will get a lot of looks if healthy. Lots of different targets for Brees. I do think that limits Moore's upside somewhat.
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Steve Slaton and Owen Daniels combined for 120 catches and yet Kevin Walter still got 900 yards and 8 TDs. A good QB like Brees will get the ball around.
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Bush has averaged 5.6 receptions a game with the Saints, Shockey 4.4 for his career and 4.2 with the Saints- thats almost 10 receptions per game for those two for close to 160 for a full season and Pierre Thomas and McCalister combined for 49 receptions last year. You are looking at 200+ receptions from Bush, Shockey and the RBs over a full season- Brees DOES get the ball around and that is Moore's problem- even with 400 + completions you have >200 from above, 80 From Colston, and that leaves 100-120 to go around Henderson, Meachem, Billy Miller and your assortment of back of the bench WRs, TEs, FBs and RBs. If the Saints are fully healthy its going to be hard for Moore to break 60 receptions. Hard.
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if you think Bush and Shockey play 16 games, I have some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you. Im not saying Moore catches 10 passes a game, but over the course of the whole year, I dont see why he wont have decent numbers. I currently have him as a WR3 on two of my teams and I think he has great value there.
 
The biggest impact on Moore's production will be R. Meachem. If he shows he can go across the middle, Meachem will take away a lot of Moore's targets. He just has the better skill sets and the Saints have more invested in Meachem.

Moore has yet to work his way in the game, but he is practicing. I have no idea what the saints are waiting for unless they want to see what they have in Meachem. He has looked solid in the 1st two preseaon games.

 
ATC1 said:
The biggest impact on Moore's production will be R. Meachem. If he shows he can go across the middle, Meachem will take away a lot of Moore's targets. He just has the better skill sets and the Saints have more invested in Meachem.Moore has yet to work his way in the game, but he is practicing. I have no idea what the saints are waiting for unless they want to see what they have in Meachem. He has looked solid in the 1st two preseaon games.
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a Saints fan will have to correct me if Im mistaken, but I think Meachem is playing the slot, which wouldnt put him in direct competition with Moore.
 
jsharlan said:
ATC1 said:
The biggest impact on Moore's production will be R. Meachem. If he shows he can go across the middle, Meachem will take away a lot of Moore's targets. He just has the better skill sets and the Saints have more invested in Meachem.Moore has yet to work his way in the game, but he is practicing. I have no idea what the saints are waiting for unless they want to see what they have in Meachem. He has looked solid in the 1st two preseaon games.
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a Saints fan will have to correct me if Im mistaken, but I think Meachem is playing the slot, which wouldnt put him in direct competition with Moore.
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I think they line up all over the place with so many different personel and formations. Colston is in the slot at times.
 
jsharlan said:
I dont know why some ppl think Colston has to get hurt for Moore to put up decent numbers. The Saints have a top 3 offense with the top fantasy QB throwing the ball. If Moore is the #2 WR, theres no reason he cant challenge 1000 yards and 7-9 TDs if he plays 16. See Boldin, Breaston, Royal, and Kevin Walter.
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Maybe because over the past 3 seasons, the #2 WR in this offense has only seen 12% of total completions, or ~45-50 receptions per season?
 
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