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I was kicking the idea around this week.

I am leaning toward Brady - I like his targets better, and I think the Saints defense will be improved - and not playing from behind by midway through the 2nd qrt every game. The only question - if it is a question at all is how long does it take for Brady to kick the rust off.

I know Brees is still going to put up huge yardage numbers - I just don't think he will get close to the same number of TD's as Brady.

 
The answer more convincingly becomes Brady with each point your league awards for passing TDs. I think Brady is the no brainer #1 in 5 and 6 PPTD leagues, and still a decent margin ahead of Brees 4 PPTD leagues. I expect the gap between Brady and Brees will be bigger than the gap between Brees and Manning (and maybe the gap between Brees and Rodgers)

 
when in doubt i look at the playoff schedules.

brady: @ miami, carolina, @ buffalo, jacksonville

2 divisional games, along with the panthers and jax who will probaby be fighting for playoff spots or at least pride with a good D. plus the weather will probably not be the best for those games except out in carolina, every other time they are in cold windy places : buffalo, and NE. it has not been the biggest deterent but it makes a difference

brees: @ wash, @atl, dallas, TB: washington will be good i am not sure how they will be doing late year but the weather won't be horrible, ATL good team will probably have something to play for should be a good game overall, dallas another interesting matchup they will be playing keep away with the run, and TB the team who i think will be the worst team in the NFL or at least one of the worst Ds. you have may have a difference of opinion on who will be the worst but i beleive they will suck hard this year.

overall brady shaking off rust in the begginning, brees and the saints (who i believe were the worst team in the NFC south) should be ready to take the division next year. last place team keeps taking it the next year for the last 6 or 7. falcons did not take it but did make the playoffs. anyways there is my choice: brees

 
Here's a consideration. By taking either of these guys, you're going to sacrifice some depth at RB or WR. If you're in a 6ptPaTD system, these guys can go in the first round. Otherwise, they will go in the second. So, that leaves the third round to start making up some ground at whatever position it was you ignored to draft them. There is only one team that has two players with a third round ADP - New Orleans. Mr. Marques and Lucky Pierre.

If you've already drafted a RB

Some may see this as a postive - "Sweet, I can get the Brees/Colston hook-up!"

This may not be a philosophy you subscribe to. So, go ahead and draft Boldin/Owens/etc..

If you've already drafted a WR

Some may see it as a negative - "I don't want my QB and RB from the same team."

Of course, you can simply draft Ronnie Brown or Ryan Grant and avoid it completely, but with so few RBs available in the third, you may not have a choice...then you're looking at 4th rounders for both RB1 and RB2.

YMMV, but it's something I have been looking at when considering Brees.

 
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-jb- said:
"Sweet, I can get the Brees/Colston hook-up!"
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Has anyone ever done any studies to see if having a QB-WR combo from the same team is even relevant? It might add a little bit of excitement to your fantasy team, but I don't see how it would add any true statistical benefit.
 
Adebisi said:
-jb- said:
"Sweet, I can get the Brees/Colston hook-up!"
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Has anyone ever done any studies to see if having a QB-WR combo from the same team is even relevant? It might add a little bit of excitement to your fantasy team, but I don't see how it would add any true statistical benefit.
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Stands to reason that:a) QB / WR from same team are correlated, which:b) means more variance in weekly scores (but not higher averages), which means:c) "luck" is a bigger factor each week.If you are good at FF, you don't mind a little extra "luck" during the regular season (you should make the playoffs even with some bad beats). And generally the only way to win a championship is to get lucky during playoffs. The QB/WR combo will slighly increase the odds of that happening.
 
Brady.

One problem with the QB/WR combo is that it has the potential to make you somewhat more susceptible to injury, and bye weeks.

But I wouldn't be averse to having Brady/Moss.

 
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith said:
Adebisi said:
-jb- said:
"Sweet, I can get the Brees/Colston hook-up!"
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Has anyone ever done any studies to see if having a QB-WR combo from the same team is even relevant? It might add a little bit of excitement to your fantasy team, but I don't see how it would add any true statistical benefit.
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Stands to reason that:a) QB / WR from same team are correlated, which:b) means more variance in weekly scores (but not higher averages), which means:c) "luck" is a bigger factor each week.If you are good at FF, you don't mind a little extra "luck" during the regular season (you should make the playoffs even with some bad beats). And generally the only way to win a championship is to get lucky during playoffs. The QB/WR combo will slighly increase the odds of that happening.
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I can agree with that, although it's obviously going to swing both ways - it will help you some weeks and hurt you in other weeks.
 
I still take Manning over Brees, atleast in re-draft. Its more of QB1A and QB1B for me... but I like Manning more. I have no problem taking Brees the pick after Manning, but after those 2 are gone I go for the value pick.

So to the OP I take Brees over Brady.

 
Adebisi said:
-jb- said:
"Sweet, I can get the Brees/Colston hook-up!"
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Has anyone ever done any studies to see if having a QB-WR combo from the same team is even relevant? It might add a little bit of excitement to your fantasy team, but I don't see how it would add any true statistical benefit.
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(too) many threads. guys in my league tend to reach for it, since there is a payout for the highest weekly score. if there is no prize for spiking in a given week, it provides no advantage.
 
whitewizard said:
when in doubt i look at the playoff schedules.

brady: @ miami, carolina, @ buffalo, jacksonville

2 divisional games, along with the panthers and jax who will probaby be fighting for playoff spots or at least pride with a good D. plus the weather will probably not be the best for those games except out in carolina, every other time they are in cold windy places : buffalo, and NE. it has not been the biggest deterent but it makes a difference

brees: @ wash, @atl, dallas, TB: washington will be good i am not sure how they will be doing late year but the weather won't be horrible, ATL good team will probably have something to play for should be a good game overall, dallas another interesting matchup they will be playing keep away with the run, and TB the team who i think will be the worst team in the NFL or at least one of the worst Ds. you have may have a difference of opinion on who will be the worst but i beleive they will suck hard this year.

overall brady shaking off rust in the begginning, brees and the saints (who i believe were the worst team in the NFC south) should be ready to take the division next year. last place team keeps taking it the next year for the last 6 or 7. falcons did not take it but did make the playoffs. anyways there is my choice: brees
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4 week playoffs? That aside, you are spending too much time (and putting too much weight) analyzing playoff schedules. Way too many intangibles to base your conclusion on that stuff, unless you are playing in a weak league where you are certain to make the playoffs. Assuming things like weather, what teams will be good/bad, and even what kind of game will be played ("Dallas playing keep away, TB sucking, etc.) IN DECEMBER no less, is not the way to go. Not only overanalyzing, but overanalyzing the wrong aspects...

 
I'm got Brady over Brees, mainly based on the fact that my league is 6 pts per TD pass, and Brady's ceiling is higher than Brees' in that regard. I fully expect both to throw for well over 4000 yards, but I wouldn't be shocked if Brees throws 30 or less TDs, while I'd be amazed if Brady doesn't hit 35+.

On the note of the QB/WR hookup, I agree with the above poster that says that it is a good risk to take if you are consistently good in Fantasy and have a solid team around those players. You're a fool if you think you can just take Manning + Wayne and coast to the title when you're trying to start players like Rashard Mendenhaal and Julius Jones. More often that not, as some point in the season (I'm a very active trader) I usually combo up for a while. Last year it was Warner + Fitz for a bit, the year before it was Palmer + Houshmandzadah. I won't lie -- I really enjoy it, and its something I've used to break a tie between two players, but in no way is it a guarantee for success. If you hit the right combo, it makes you very tough to beat. Rodgers + Jennings is looking tempting to me this year, due to the fact that you can grab Jennings in 2 and Rodgers in 4 or 5. Usually to hit that combo, in the draft, you've gotta do it on one of the turns, and pretty early (Brady/Moss 1st/2nd, Wayne/Manning 2nd/3rd, etc.)

 
It's very close for me and like someone else mentioned in reality I would end up taking the one that fell to me or provided better value. If I had my choice though I would take Brees. More games in a controlled environment and not recovering from a serious injury is enough to be my tie-breaker.

 
Brees no Question about it ... loaded with offensive weapons and really no question marks? He should be the number 1 QB drafted in ff.

Brady is coming off of a horrific injury and a worse recovery. I'd be willing to bet he won't even make it through the season without the injury flarring up and causing him to miss games.

 
qimqam said:
Brees no Question about it ... loaded with offensive weapons and really no question marks? He should be the number 1 QB drafted in ff.

Brady is coming off of a horrific injury and a worse recovery. I'd be willing to bet he won't even make it through the season without the injury flarring up and causing him to miss games.
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Every source out there indicates that Brady is well ahead of schedule and is having an absolute ideal recovery.
 
jurb26 said:
qimqam said:
Brees no Question about it ... loaded with offensive weapons and really no question marks? He should be the number 1 QB drafted in ff.

Brady is coming off of a horrific injury and a worse recovery. I'd be willing to bet he won't even make it through the season without the injury flarring up and causing him to miss games.
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Every source out there indicates that Brady is well ahead of schedule and is having an absolute ideal recovery.
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Oh really?Here is a google search "tom Brady Recovery"

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navc...+brady+recovery

1 Report says he is ahead ... It's his own report

all others say the opposite

 
qimqam said:
jurb26 said:
qimqam said:
Brees no Question about it ... loaded with offensive weapons and really no question marks? He should be the number 1 QB drafted in ff.

Brady is coming off of a horrific injury and a worse recovery. I'd be willing to bet he won't even make it through the season without the injury flarring up and causing him to miss games.
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Every source out there indicates that Brady is well ahead of schedule and is having an absolute ideal recovery.
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Oh really?Here is a google search "tom Brady Recovery"

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navc...+brady+recovery

1 Report says he is ahead ... It's his own report

all others say the opposite
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Did you even bother to read these or check the dates?Maybe try reading the ones that aren't from Oct and Dec of last year and read the more recent ones....

 
Adebisi said:
-jb- said:
"Sweet, I can get the Brees/Colston hook-up!"
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Has anyone ever done any studies to see if having a QB-WR combo from the same team is even relevant? It might add a little bit of excitement to your fantasy team, but I don't see how it would add any true statistical benefit.
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It just depends on the combo. If they are prolific like a Brees / Colston or a Brady / Moss then it wins leagues.
 
KellysHeroes said:
I still take Manning over Brees, atleast in re-draft. Its more of QB1A and QB1B for me... but I like Manning more. I have no problem taking Brees the pick after Manning, but after those 2 are gone I go for the value pick.

So to the OP I take Brees over Brady.
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Same here. I'd take Manning over Brees & Brady if I was looking for a QB early.

 
Team ROFLCOPTERS said:
Adebisi said:
-jb- said:
"Sweet, I can get the Brees/Colston hook-up!"
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Has anyone ever done any studies to see if having a QB-WR combo from the same team is even relevant? It might add a little bit of excitement to your fantasy team, but I don't see how it would add any true statistical benefit.
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It just depends on the combo. If they are prolific like a Brees / Colston or a Brady / Moss then it wins leagues.
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But Brees, Brady, and Moss are elite players at their fantasy positions, and Colston is right up there as well.For the sake of argument, if Brees and Brady put up identical numbers, and you've got Moss at WR, having a Brees/Moss combo would be the same as having a Brady/Moss combo. The only difference, as others have pointed out, is that you might have more week-to-week variances in your scores, but your average would still be the same. It all depends on whether you'd rather be up-and-down or consistent on a week-to-week basis.If you had Brees as your QB and Moss as your WR, would you really trade Moss straight up for Colston?
 
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Why does everybody expect Brady to throw 35+ TDs again? Did Rice ever repeat his 20+ TD record season? (HINT: the answer isn't yes)

Who do you see catching all the TDs?

 
Moss

Welker

Galloway

Watson

maybe a little Smith or Baker thrown in there

do I have to account for every TD?

What does Rice have to do with Brady?

 
Adebisi said:
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Knobs said:
I don't see how Manning is in the same tier as Brees/Brady...can someone explain this one to me?
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Pros:He's a better QB, is fully healthy, and has play-calling authority.

Cons:

He doesn't have Moss.
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As compared to Brady: He's a better close to the same QB, is fully healthy recovering from a sever knee injury, has play-calling audible authority, and has Moss. And Welker.
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FYP. I've been drinking, so don't #### with me. :mellow: <_<

 
Kool-Aid Larry said:
MossWelkerGallowayWatsonmaybe a little Smith or Baker thrown in theredo I have to account for every TD?What does Rice have to do with Brady?
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That's generally the point of projections. I wouldn't put him any distance past 35. Then again, I wouldn't put anyone else that far either.The Pats look like they have a better defense and they strengthened the run game. Strong team like that...I would put him at 32 on the basis of I think that he goes at a bit over 2 per game, and sits out week 17 (which is irrelevant to us anyway)So yeah, just for fun, how many do you think they all catch? What are the rushing projections? How many times does he pass? Especially coming off injury...?And Manning is not recovering from a knee injury, that was last year (you know, when he got an MVP). This season he's good. And I like his consistency, he's always a very safe pick.
 
I would take Brees.

The decline after record setting passing seasons is a pretty big drop off.

Marino: 48 to 30

Manning: 49 to 28

Brady: 50 to ?

I'm going to project high and say the ? is 31. But I think 29 is more likely.

Brady will not get the yards Brees will. Brees is just flat out a better pure passer.

 
two_dollars said:
I would take Brees.The decline after record setting passing seasons is a pretty big drop off.Marino: 48 to 30Manning: 49 to 28Brady: 50 to ?I'm going to project high and say the ? is 31. But I think 29 is more likely.Brady will not get the yards Brees will. Brees is just flat out a better pure passer.
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Here's the thing. That 31 number is likely Brady's floor, and not too far below Brees' ceiling. I put Brady down for 37 and Brees for 32.
 
two_dollars said:
I would take Brees.

The decline after record setting passing seasons is a pretty big drop off.

Marino: 48 to 30

Manning: 49 to 28

Brady: 50 to ?

I'm going to project high and say the ? is 31. But I think 29 is more likely.

Brady will not get the yards Brees will. Brees is just flat out a better pure passer.
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Brees' superior yardage accumulation has more to do with the two teams relative ability to run the ball and play defense than whether one is a better pure passer than the other.
 
two_dollars said:
I would take Brees.The decline after record setting passing seasons is a pretty big drop off.Marino: 48 to 30Manning: 49 to 28Brady: 50 to ?I'm going to project high and say the ? is 31. But I think 29 is more likely.Brady will not get the yards Brees will. Brees is just flat out a better pure passer.
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Brady: 53 (4800 yds) to 0This year he progresses to his Moss/Welker mean.Brees just set a personal record of 5k yds, so it looks like he's in for a big drop off.
 
Kool-Aid Larry said:
two_dollars said:
I would take Brees.The decline after record setting passing seasons is a pretty big drop off.Marino: 48 to 30Manning: 49 to 28Brady: 50 to ?I'm going to project high and say the ? is 31. But I think 29 is more likely.Brady will not get the yards Brees will. Brees is just flat out a better pure passer.
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Brady: 53 (4800 yds) to 0This year he progresses to his Moss/Welker mean.Brees just set a personal record of 5k yds, so it looks like he's in for a big drop off.
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Except he didnt throw 53?
 
I think Brady has a higher upside but Brees should be ranked higher preseason because he's healthy. I don't see Brees having as much yardage this year as last year and he throws fewer TD than Brady historically. The two should be close yardage wise (if both healthy), but I see Brady with more TD than Brees.

 
Instinctive said:
Kool-Aid Larry said:
two_dollars said:
I would take Brees.The decline after record setting passing seasons is a pretty big drop off.Marino: 48 to 30Manning: 49 to 28Brady: 50 to ?I'm going to project high and say the ? is 31. But I think 29 is more likely.Brady will not get the yards Brees will. Brees is just flat out a better pure passer.
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Brady: 53 (4800 yds) to 0This year he progresses to his Moss/Welker mean.Brees just set a personal record of 5k yds, so it looks like he's in for a big drop off.
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Except he didnt throw 53?
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My league also awards points for rushing TDs.
 
-baller said:
Instinctive said:
Kool-Aid Larry said:
two_dollars said:
I would take Brees.The decline after record setting passing seasons is a pretty big drop off.Marino: 48 to 30Manning: 49 to 28Brady: 50 to ?I'm going to project high and say the ? is 31. But I think 29 is more likely.Brady will not get the yards Brees will. Brees is just flat out a better pure passer.
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Brady: 53 (4800 yds) to 0This year he progresses to his Moss/Welker mean.Brees just set a personal record of 5k yds, so it looks like he's in for a big drop off.
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Except he didnt throw 53?
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My league also awards points for rushing TDs.
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But that wasn't the question. This was a question of passing TD dropoff. We didnt add in Marino's or Manning's rushing either.
 
I'm going with Brees by a fairly comfortable margin, and truth be told I have Manning second. Brady is third, and I'm hesitant to put him that high, for a couple of reasons.

One, the team lost offensive guru Josh McDaniels, and that will have some impact ... how much is yet to be seen. Two, the lack of a running game (something the Saints don't have) will at some point come back to haunt these guys and make them a bit easier to defend through the air. And third and maybe most important, that offensive line was a sieve last year when it came to protection ... the Pats allowed 48 sacks, and they didn't do much in the way of personnel upgrades in the offseason. I know some of those sacks can be attributed to Cassel finding himself in the offense and not being all that mobile ... but Brady has never been a very mobile guy either. And with the knee injury ... ahead of scheduled or not on rehab ... that will be a problem. I would be shocked if Brady gets anywhere near 40 TDs. If he has more than Brees (which is possible) I don't think his yardage will be as high, thus keeping Brees higher in the rankings.

 
evilempire said:
I'm going with Brees by a fairly comfortable margin, and truth be told I have Manning second. Brady is third, and I'm hesitant to put him that high, for a couple of reasons.One, the team lost offensive guru Josh McDaniels, and that will have some impact ... how much is yet to be seen. Two, the lack of a running game (something the Saints don't have) will at some point come back to haunt these guys and make them a bit easier to defend through the air. And third and maybe most important, that offensive line was a sieve last year when it came to protection ... the Pats allowed 48 sacks, and they didn't do much in the way of personnel upgrades in the offseason. I know some of those sacks can be attributed to Cassel finding himself in the offense and not being all that mobile ... but Brady has never been a very mobile guy either. And with the knee injury ... ahead of scheduled or not on rehab ... that will be a problem. I would be shocked if Brady gets anywhere near 40 TDs. If he has more than Brees (which is possible) I don't think his yardage will be as high, thus keeping Brees higher in the rankings.
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Since you brought it up:1) McDaniels was using the Belichick system, not the other way around. The system was in place way before McDaniels got there, he happened to be there when they added Moss and Welker.2) Their lack of a running game ranked 6th in the league last year in rushing yards and 4th in rushing TD. They also ranked 13th and 5th the season before, so I would hardly say they have no running game. (The Saints ranked 28th/5th and 28th/10th by comparison.)3) The ofensive line was not a sieve last year. Matt Cassel was the issue, as he started the year with no experience and zero pocket presence. There were plays he ran from open space INTO defenders or ran into HIS OWN LINEMEN.Brady has done fine avoiding sacks over his career doing sidesteps. He's not a mobile QB to beging with and did not run around very much to begin with.As for how Brady is doing and what to expect from the offense, I am hearing from several places that the team will be going back to the 2007 game plan and looking to score early and often and there will not be a switch to conservatism because Brady was injured.I think yardage will come easy for Brady and the offense, but I do see more turnovers and fewer trips into the end zone. So lots of yards, and a lot of points (just not record breaking).What I also find intriguing is that Brees should have huge passing totals, yet people on these boards are also suggesting Pierre Thomas is going to run all over the place and rack up big numbers. I'm not sure those two are possible, as one would impact the other.
 
evilempire said:
I'm going with Brees by a fairly comfortable margin, and truth be told I have Manning second. Brady is third, and I'm hesitant to put him that high, for a couple of reasons.

One, the team lost offensive guru Josh McDaniels, and that will have some impact ... how much is yet to be seen. Two, the lack of a running game (something the Saints don't have) will at some point come back to haunt these guys and make them a bit easier to defend through the air. And third and maybe most important, that offensive line was a sieve last year when it came to protection ... the Pats allowed 48 sacks, and they didn't do much in the way of personnel upgrades in the offseason. I know some of those sacks can be attributed to Cassel finding himself in the offense and not being all that mobile ... but Brady has never been a very mobile guy either. And with the knee injury ... ahead of scheduled or not on rehab ... that will be a problem. I would be shocked if Brady gets anywhere near 40 TDs. If he has more than Brees (which is possible) I don't think his yardage will be as high, thus keeping Brees higher in the rankings.
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With all due respect, this is the talk of someone who looks at a stat sheet but doesn't watch games.Cassel actually is quite mobile. The problem was that he held onto the ball way, way too long. Brady would not have taken even half of those sacks last year - that is not an exaggeration.

Brady has never been particularly mobile; that is correct. However, he moves around in the pocket as well as any QB in the league... meaning he'll step up in the pocket or sidestep a pass rusher just in a nick of time to avoid the sack. He seems to have eyes in the back of his head sometimes.

 
Adebisi said:
evilempire said:
I'm going with Brees by a fairly comfortable margin, and truth be told I have Manning second. Brady is third, and I'm hesitant to put him that high, for a couple of reasons.

One, the team lost offensive guru Josh McDaniels, and that will have some impact ... how much is yet to be seen. Two, the lack of a running game (something the Saints don't have) will at some point come back to haunt these guys and make them a bit easier to defend through the air. And third and maybe most important, that offensive line was a sieve last year when it came to protection ... the Pats allowed 48 sacks, and they didn't do much in the way of personnel upgrades in the offseason. I know some of those sacks can be attributed to Cassel finding himself in the offense and not being all that mobile ... but Brady has never been a very mobile guy either. And with the knee injury ... ahead of scheduled or not on rehab ... that will be a problem. I would be shocked if Brady gets anywhere near 40 TDs. If he has more than Brees (which is possible) I don't think his yardage will be as high, thus keeping Brees higher in the rankings.
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With all due respect, this is the talk of someone who looks at a stat sheet but doesn't watch games.Cassel actually is quite mobile. The problem was that he held onto the ball way, way too long. Brady would not have taken even half of those sacks last year - that is not an exaggeration.

Brady has never been particularly mobile; that is correct. However, he moves around in the pocket as well as any QB in the league... meaning he'll step up in the pocket or sidestep a pass rusher just in a nick of time to avoid the sack. He seems to have eyes in the back of his head sometimes.
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Being in the Midwest I actually don't see a lot of Pats games (except the national broadcasts), so I was just looking at the numbers. I did recall that Cassel seemed to hold the ball for a long time (think Rob Johnson), but also figured some of those had to be shaky blocking by the O-line. Maybe not.I will be interested to see how Brady responds to that first hit, but maybe that's something he won't have to worry about as much as I thought.

 
Discussed this with Andrew on the blurb a couple weeks back. Brady's targets are eons better. After Colston even if you like Moore, he's coming back from surgery and then who? Devery? Meachem?

If that means Brees does more with less, that's funny after the WR corps Brady's career started with, but I guess I'd have to side that way now.

I don't see how you could look at their options to pass to and think Brees is in a better spot. Each were phenomenal the last time we saw them play a full season.

 
Bri said:
Discussed this with Andrew on the blurb a couple weeks back. Brady's targets are eons better. After Colston even if you like Moore, he's coming back from surgery and then who? Devery? Meachem?If that means Brees does more with less, that's funny after the WR corps Brady's career started with, but I guess I'd have to side that way now. I don't see how you could look at their options to pass to and think Brees is in a better spot. Each were phenomenal the last time we saw them play a full season.
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I'm counting Bush as a de facto receiver because that's what he's more adept at and more of his role in the NO passing game. Neither group is very deep after the starters, really, though I would give a sizeable edge to New England in that department. But if you throw Bush into the equation things become much more even, IMO.
 
Bri said:
Discussed this with Andrew on the blurb a couple weeks back. Brady's targets are eons better. After Colston even if you like Moore, he's coming back from surgery and then who? Devery? Meachem?If that means Brees does more with less, that's funny after the WR corps Brady's career started with, but I guess I'd have to side that way now. I don't see how you could look at their options to pass to and think Brees is in a better spot. Each were phenomenal the last time we saw them play a full season.
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Who were Drew Brees' targets three years ago? He thrwe for 4400 yards and 36 TDs with Bush, Colston (a rookie) and a 78 year old Joe Horn as his to receivers, two years ago he threw for 4400 yards and 28 Tds with Colston, Bush and David Patten as his top receivers. Last year he lost Colston for a chunk of the season and put up 5000 and 32. He has had one full season out of Bush- the possibility of a full season from Bush, Colston and even 500/4 from Shockey puts him at 4800 and 30 TDs for sure with tons of room for flukishly high TD rates like Manning and Brady had during their studdd years.
 
baconisgood said:
Bri said:
Discussed this with Andrew on the blurb a couple weeks back. Brady's targets are eons better. After Colston even if you like Moore, he's coming back from surgery and then who? Devery? Meachem?If that means Brees does more with less, that's funny after the WR corps Brady's career started with, but I guess I'd have to side that way now. I don't see how you could look at their options to pass to and think Brees is in a better spot. Each were phenomenal the last time we saw them play a full season.
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Who were Drew Brees' targets three years ago? He thrwe for 4400 yards and 36 TDs with Bush, Colston (a rookie) and a 78 year old Joe Horn as his to receivers, two years ago he threw for 4400 yards and 28 Tds with Colston, Bush and David Patten as his top receivers. Last year he lost Colston for a chunk of the season and put up 5000 and 32. He has had one full season out of Bush- the possibility of a full season from Bush, Colston and even 500/4 from Shockey puts him at 4800 and 30 TDs for sure with tons of room for flukishly high TD rates like Manning and Brady had during their studdd years.
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Colston, Bush, and Horn/Patten is not a bad set of targets.
 
Adebisi said:
baconisgood said:
Bri said:
Discussed this with Andrew on the blurb a couple weeks back. Brady's targets are eons better. After Colston even if you like Moore, he's coming back from surgery and then who? Devery? Meachem?If that means Brees does more with less, that's funny after the WR corps Brady's career started with, but I guess I'd have to side that way now. I don't see how you could look at their options to pass to and think Brees is in a better spot. Each were phenomenal the last time we saw them play a full season.
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Who were Drew Brees' targets three years ago? He thrwe for 4400 yards and 36 TDs with Bush, Colston (a rookie) and a 78 year old Joe Horn as his to receivers, two years ago he threw for 4400 yards and 28 Tds with Colston, Bush and David Patten as his top receivers. Last year he lost Colston for a chunk of the season and put up 5000 and 32. He has had one full season out of Bush- the possibility of a full season from Bush, Colston and even 500/4 from Shockey puts him at 4800 and 30 TDs for sure with tons of room for flukishly high TD rates like Manning and Brady had during their studdd years.
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Colston, Bush, and Horn/Patten is not a bad set of targets.
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I believe the point is that when compared to Moss/Welker it is a bad set.
 
evilempire said:
Bri said:
Discussed this with Andrew on the blurb a couple weeks back. Brady's targets are eons better. After Colston even if you like Moore, he's coming back from surgery and then who? Devery? Meachem?If that means Brees does more with less, that's funny after the WR corps Brady's career started with, but I guess I'd have to side that way now. I don't see how you could look at their options to pass to and think Brees is in a better spot. Each were phenomenal the last time we saw them play a full season.
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I'm counting Bush as a de facto receiver because that's what he's more adept at and more of his role in the NO passing game. Neither group is very deep after the starters, really, though I would give a sizeable edge to New England in that department. But if you throw Bush into the equation things become much more even, IMO.
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I disagree. I think Brees making players look better than they are is about where we disagree here. I'll try to get back later to give a more lengthy response so we can discuss more.
 
Adebisi said:
baconisgood said:
Bri said:
Discussed this with Andrew on the blurb a couple weeks back. Brady's targets are eons better. After Colston even if you like Moore, he's coming back from surgery and then who? Devery? Meachem?If that means Brees does more with less, that's funny after the WR corps Brady's career started with, but I guess I'd have to side that way now. I don't see how you could look at their options to pass to and think Brees is in a better spot. Each were phenomenal the last time we saw them play a full season.
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Who were Drew Brees' targets three years ago? He thrwe for 4400 yards and 36 TDs with Bush, Colston (a rookie) and a 78 year old Joe Horn as his to receivers, two years ago he threw for 4400 yards and 28 Tds with Colston, Bush and David Patten as his top receivers. Last year he lost Colston for a chunk of the season and put up 5000 and 32. He has had one full season out of Bush- the possibility of a full season from Bush, Colston and even 500/4 from Shockey puts him at 4800 and 30 TDs for sure with tons of room for flukishly high TD rates like Manning and Brady had during their studdd years.
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Colston, Bush, and Horn/Patten is not a bad set of targets.
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Joe Horn was on a rapid descent and was out of the league in a year and played in 10 games, Colston and Bush were rookies. His current crop of receivers is an older and probably better Colston, a similar Bush if hes healthy, either the same or a better TE (with the potential for this being a large upgrade) and 2nd and 3rd receivers who are also likely better than 2006 and could be significantly better sine they are still young and could potentially improve. I think its safe to look at 4400 and 28 being Brees' non injury floor with plenty of room for a high ceiling considering the increase and potential increase in talent around him.
 
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