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Move Devin Thomas up your draft boards (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter dgreen
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Seriously, never seen a guy (besides Rashard Lee) go from 0-60 faster...not saying it is unwarranted, but unless you draft in the next couple of weeks, doubt he remains in the "sleeper" category.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
The Redskins desperately need him to displace Randle El. Every year Randle El continues to warrant the WR2 slot, is a year the personnel department should hang their heads in shame.
doubletrouble
Footballguy
and this year will be no different....
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Is Devin Thomas still playing for the Redskins?
Kinger
Footballguy
On the Redskins. As far as playing...
Tigerbot Hesh
Footballguy
I'm too lazy to look this up, but what has the Redskins' WR2 position averaged over the Jason Campbell era? Unless he starts cutting into Moss' numbers, I'm not that excited about it.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
I'm alone on an island here, but I think Kelly ends up having the better career. 
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I think he is a year away from making an FF impact. A good buy low in dynasty (at least he was a couple weeks ago....)
puckalicious
Footballguy
I wouldn't bank on a longer career, but I could see him being better for a short period of time. Let's see if he can make it through training camp without knee problems this year.I'm alone on an island here, but I think Kelly ends up having the better career.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
And how is ReShard Lee doing in the NFL? Just saying.
Max Power
Footballguy
Sebowski
Footballguy
I'm just hoping his knees don't go out before his first contract does. While his knees hold up he has a chance to be very good.I'm alone on an island here, but I think Kelly ends up having the better career.
Campbell hasn't been given a fair shake yet. He's had a new offense to learn every season he's started. That's a big deal. This is the make or break year for him. He sinks or swims depending on how he performs this season.
dgreen
Footballguy
Kelly lost a lot of weight this offseason and that's putting less weight on his knees. Not sure if it will significantly help him avoid future problems, but it's something the team asked him to do.I'm just hoping his knees don't go out before his first contract does. While his knees hold up he has a chance to be very good.I'm alone on an island here, but I think Kelly ends up having the better career.
dgreen
Footballguy
ARE has been around 45-550-3 the last 3 years.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I'm with you - IF his knee holds up.I'm alone on an island here, but I think Kelly ends up having the better career.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Really... you can't figure it out?kevinallen said:
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Take the cat-fight somewhere else please...
This is an interesting topic for dynasty owners: Kelly vs. Thomas.
I believe one of these will become a fantasy factor down the road and both can be had for a reasonable price. In a 12-teamer (18 per team) I was able to grab both off the waiver within the last month.
Thomas presents more upside IMO due to his YAC ability and speed. Kelly on the otherhand could be perfect for Zorn's system running slants and using his big body to shield defenders.
This is an interesting topic for dynasty owners: Kelly vs. Thomas.
I believe one of these will become a fantasy factor down the road and both can be had for a reasonable price. In a 12-teamer (18 per team) I was able to grab both off the waiver within the last month.
Thomas presents more upside IMO due to his YAC ability and speed. Kelly on the otherhand could be perfect for Zorn's system running slants and using his big body to shield defenders.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
You would really want Devin Thomas as your 3rd WR in a 12 team league?? If DT is your 3rd WR or a Flex Player you are in trouble.kevinallen said:
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
He had it right and had it all figured out...he said you were clueless. Iggle fan = clueless!
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
I think that is a bit optimistic for him. If he's your #3, you might be in trouble. They are a run heavy team and have yet to show that they can hit the long ball on a consistant basis. Add that you have Moss and Cooley as more primary targets, just doesn't bode well for a DT11 being your 3WR.kevinallen said:
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
He's still a good buy low, even if his name is being thrown around a bit now. In a year, he might find himself being the #1 WR on the team and if he keeps progressing as much as he has shown so far...watch out! He's still cheaper now then what he will be once he shows signs during the season.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Exactly. Your 3rd option at WR should not be the 4th option for the team he plays on, not to mention the "O" is based on a running attack. You are talking about the top 36 WR's, guys like Coles, Breston, Devry Henderson etc etc. I gotta believe Devin Thomas is ranked closer to 60 than 36.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
Fixed or adjusted...ever so slightly! 
good point!
fissure man
Footballguy
In the limited touches I've seen of both, Thomas looks the part.
Given the Redskins recent history, I have zero faith the Skins will put him to good use.
Given the Redskins recent history, I have zero faith the Skins will put him to good use.
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
I like Devin alot too for dynasty purposes, but he wont be seeing my lineup unless he completely bows up.
He is a nice end of the bench dynasty stash guy with upside.
He is a nice end of the bench dynasty stash guy with upside.
dgreen
Footballguy
Well, the word from the team and the media has been that they really hope Thomas can take that WR2 spot away from ARE. But, from what I've seen so far, I wouldn't be surprised if Malcolm Kelly is the one who ends up there. He's receiving praise in training camp and has looked better in preseason so far.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Kelly's a better player than Thomas, the question being can his knees hold up. So far, so good. If it holds true through preseason week 4 I think you'll see the two sharing reps to start the season and the more productive WR takes the majority from there. I'd rather gamble on Kelly because I think he has the higher ceiling, at best I think Thomas will be a low end WR2 and more likely WR3 during his career.
Max Power
Footballguy
Malcolm Kelly has passed Devin Thomas in the competition to be the Redskins' starting flanker.
Thomas entered camp ahead, but Kelly's been more impressive this preseason. It's looking like Kelly will start Week 1, but we still don't like him to have a significant impact. He's coming off microfracture surgery, was already slow, is in a poor offense, and struggles to get off press coverage. Aug. 26 - 9:01 am et
Thomas entered camp ahead, but Kelly's been more impressive this preseason. It's looking like Kelly will start Week 1, but we still don't like him to have a significant impact. He's coming off microfracture surgery, was already slow, is in a poor offense, and struggles to get off press coverage. Aug. 26 - 9:01 am et
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
Posted this in our infamous Redskins thread, but maybe some of you would like to see it here. A little more in-depth than the lil blurb. Just remember that Thomas was getting all the attention earlier in camp, so he's not out the picture completely.
Latest from Jason Reid/Redskins Insider:
Latest from Jason Reid/Redskins Insider:
burgundy and gold
Footballguy
My understanding is that Kelly was always gonna produce quite a bit sooner than Thomas being that his skills were more refined coming out of school. However many were gushing about Thomas' great upside (greater than Kellys) that would take 2-3 years to develop. Can someone in the know on Marko please give a talent evaluation as compared to the other two that compares upside?
gregjcross
Footballguy
I don't believe I've ever seen a camp battle between unprovens that goes all the way to the end -- and then produces a fantasy worthy player. Save for Willie Parker back in 2005, and Fast Willie toasted Duce Staley because staley was old and hurt.I give up on the Redskins in 2009; think they might be getting a high pick in the draft barring a major turn around.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
I think the thinking was that Kelly had natural ability plus good football character plus football smarts but also had health issues while Thomas had natural ability and ... that's about it.That adds up not knowing if Thomas ever can develop into a decent NFL WR.
Casting Couch
Footballguy
Malcolm Kelly passes Thomas in battle to start
Malcolm Kelly has passed Devin Thomas in the competition to be the Redskins' starting flanker.
Thomas entered camp ahead, but Kelly's been more impressive this preseason. It's looking like Kelly will start Week 1, but we still don't like him to have a significant impact. He's coming off microfracture surgery, was already slow, is in a poor offense, and struggles to get off press coverage. Aug. 26 - 9:01 am et
Rotoworld
Malcolm Kelly has passed Devin Thomas in the competition to be the Redskins' starting flanker.
Thomas entered camp ahead, but Kelly's been more impressive this preseason. It's looking like Kelly will start Week 1, but we still don't like him to have a significant impact. He's coming off microfracture surgery, was already slow, is in a poor offense, and struggles to get off press coverage. Aug. 26 - 9:01 am et
Rotoworld
T Bell
Footballguy
Kelly's not been named the starter, is not slow, and has not had problems with press coverage. Otherwise that's a great update from Rotoworld. Kelly was arguably a first round talent but for his injury problems. He's big, athletic, with good speed, good route running skills and great hands. He could be very good. Devin Thomas is a very athletic speedster who is very raw. He needs a lot of development time, and he has a higher risk of busting (especially if you ignore Kelly's injury risk). Marko Mitchell has really impressed people. He's more similar to Kelly than Thomas in that he's a large, athletic receiver. Like Kelly, he should be a red zone threat. The truth is that this is a very hard group to read. Any one of the three could come out on top, and any of them could be good fantasy producers or be total busts. Kelly seems like the "safest" guy to have right now, but that's not exactly set in stone.
dgreen
Footballguy
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
I'd avoid the Redksins passing game altogether.
One thing is true about the Skins passing. It's consistent - 200 yds passing, 1 TDs, and 1 INTs. Not the numbers that make me draft a #2.5 WR from a team. Why take a flier on a Thomas when you can get the #3 Indy or NE WR and get more points.
Portis and the DEF are the only things worth considering here. On the fringes, I'd take Moss if he slips to a #3 WR slot or Cooley if you can get him in round 6 or later.
One thing is true about the Skins passing. It's consistent - 200 yds passing, 1 TDs, and 1 INTs. Not the numbers that make me draft a #2.5 WR from a team. Why take a flier on a Thomas when you can get the #3 Indy or NE WR and get more points.
Portis and the DEF are the only things worth considering here. On the fringes, I'd take Moss if he slips to a #3 WR slot or Cooley if you can get him in round 6 or later.
T Bell
Footballguy
Here's and update and my own conclusions as to how the season will start as between Kelly and Thomas.
Thomas returned kicks throughout the first half of the Pats game and looked very explosive and decisive - no hesitation at all. He also protected the ball well. I think he's going to get kick return duties and Rock Cartwright will get cut in favor of one or both of the young RB's, Mason and Aldridge. I only mention this because KR's rarely seem to get a full load at their regular position.
Both Thomas and Kelly looked good in the Pats game as WR's. While both are "big" WR's, they're in different molds from each other that sort of compliment each other. Thomas is built like Boldin, while Kelly is longer and reminds me more of Herman Moore (I'm just speaking in terms of general style, obviously not in terms of career accomplishment). I think there's going to be a rotation and the WR2 is most accurately described as Kelly/Thomas.
The rotation makes sense because it allows Thomas to be a KR too, and it also limits Kelly's reps on those knees (which look 100% healthy right now). And of course it allows the team to mix and match based upon game situation and the players' talents.
This probably kills their respective fantasy values, capping as a practical matter their receptions in the 40-50 range, though it could obviously be less. The only exceptions to that conclusion would be if Kelly hauls in a good number of TD's (he got a lot of red zone looks in the Pats game) or, regarding Thomas, if your particular league heavily rewards you for a guy's performance as a KR over and above his WR stats.
Again, this is only my impression. Zorn's not said one way or the other. It's also subject to change during the season, and there might even be games where they like, for example, Kelly's or Thomas' matchup against a given CB and opt to use one of them more in a particular game. I think, however, that that's how they'll start the season.
Thomas returned kicks throughout the first half of the Pats game and looked very explosive and decisive - no hesitation at all. He also protected the ball well. I think he's going to get kick return duties and Rock Cartwright will get cut in favor of one or both of the young RB's, Mason and Aldridge. I only mention this because KR's rarely seem to get a full load at their regular position.
Both Thomas and Kelly looked good in the Pats game as WR's. While both are "big" WR's, they're in different molds from each other that sort of compliment each other. Thomas is built like Boldin, while Kelly is longer and reminds me more of Herman Moore (I'm just speaking in terms of general style, obviously not in terms of career accomplishment). I think there's going to be a rotation and the WR2 is most accurately described as Kelly/Thomas.
The rotation makes sense because it allows Thomas to be a KR too, and it also limits Kelly's reps on those knees (which look 100% healthy right now). And of course it allows the team to mix and match based upon game situation and the players' talents.
This probably kills their respective fantasy values, capping as a practical matter their receptions in the 40-50 range, though it could obviously be less. The only exceptions to that conclusion would be if Kelly hauls in a good number of TD's (he got a lot of red zone looks in the Pats game) or, regarding Thomas, if your particular league heavily rewards you for a guy's performance as a KR over and above his WR stats.
Again, this is only my impression. Zorn's not said one way or the other. It's also subject to change during the season, and there might even be games where they like, for example, Kelly's or Thomas' matchup against a given CB and opt to use one of them more in a particular game. I think, however, that that's how they'll start the season.
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