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If Schaub plays a full sixteen (1 Viewer)

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I think this guy is really gonna have a HUGE year. Outside of the two games they play against Tennessee there really isnt a pass D# on their schedule that scares me. And just look at those oh so sweet playoff match ups... Home vs. Seattle, @ St. Louis, and @ Miami.

If he can manage to stay on the field, I can see him chucking 30+.

 
I have him about #6. Here's the thing - even if he misses 4 games, you still get to start someone else those weeks, right? You'll have another QB on your roster, right? This is why I downplay the injury issue. He's healthy right now, and his injuries aren't really a fault of his playing style, so why drop him in your rankings if you are worried about him getting hurt. McNabb and Warner are getting drafted ahead of him, and they certainly aren't risk free.

 
I'll say 4. Kevin Walter is probably the most underrated no. 2 WR in the league. They got a decent TE and a good catch passing RB. Although him being healthy the whole season is a big if.

 
I loves me some Matt Schaub.

To me there is Brady and Brees... then Schaub/Rodgers/Manning.... then Rivers/McNabb/Warner/Palmer/Romo.

They all won't finish top 10, but those are the 10 QBs that can finish top 3-5, imo. I like Schaub as much or more than all but the top 2.

 
I like Schaub as well. If I don't get Brady when I pick at # 5, I will target Schaub for the 5th round. May even have to reach a little bit and grab him in the 4th. I'll look to pair him with either Matty Hass or Matty Cassel.

 
Depends on which other QBs play a full 16.

That said, I'd assume playing 16 games would get him into the 6-10 range.

 
5-6 sounds about right. Houston as a whole finished 4th last year in passing yards, so the potential is there

 
I think this guy is really gonna have a HUGE year. Outside of the two games they play against Tennessee there really isnt a pass D# on their schedule that scares me. And just look at those oh so sweet playoff match ups... Home vs. Seattle, @ St. Louis, and @ Miami. If he can manage to stay on the field, I can see him chucking 30+.
I'm with you my FFA/The Wire brother. I'm long Schaub this year. Drafting him in rounds 5-7 and have him in several keepers. I say he goes 13-14 games but gives you Top 5 stats during the period. I really like Walter this year as well. He's a poor man's Wes Welker.
 
IF he plays all 16 then I would only place these guys ahead of him:

Brady

Brees

Warner (big if on him playing all 16 too IMO)

Rodgers

Rivers

P. Manning

These are guys I'm very confident will outperform him if they all play 16. There are others I would put in the argument with Schaub but like his chances better so I would say the answer to your question (for me) is #7.

 
Easily somewhere in the 4-6 range. Pretty sure he was 5th over the 10 games that he started and finished last year.

 
Major said:
I think this guy is really gonna have a HUGE year. Outside of the two games they play against Tennessee there really isnt a pass D# on their schedule that scares me. And just look at those oh so sweet playoff match ups... Home vs. Seattle, @ St. Louis, and @ Miami. If he can manage to stay on the field, I can see him chucking 30+.
I'm with you my FFA/The Wire brother. I'm long Schaub this year. Drafting him in rounds 5-7 and have him in several keepers. I say he goes 13-14 games but gives you Top 5 stats during the period. I really like Walter this year as well. He's a poor man's Wes Welker.
Welker and Walter are nothing alike as receivers. Admit it, you said that because they're both white and good.
 
Major said:
I think this guy is really gonna have a HUGE year. Outside of the two games they play against Tennessee there really isnt a pass D# on their schedule that scares me. And just look at those oh so sweet playoff match ups... Home vs. Seattle, @ St. Louis, and @ Miami.

If he can manage to stay on the field, I can see him chucking 30+.
I'm with you my FFA/The Wire brother. I'm long Schaub this year. Drafting him in rounds 5-7 and have him in several keepers. I say he goes 13-14 games but gives you Top 5 stats during the period.

I really like Walter this year as well. He's a poor man's Wes Welker.
Welker and Walter are nothing alike as receivers. Admit it, you said that because they're both white and good.
:mellow: These two are nothing alike. Welker is smallish, works the underneath, and isn't a big play guy. Walter is very big (6'3"), lives on the outside, and is a big play threat. The only similarity is both are good route runners.As far as Schaub, I figure he's good for 4200 26/14, somewhere in that range, should he play all 16. That should have him pushing top 5, for sure. Tough to predict him going all 16 though.

 
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:goodposting: These two are nothing alike. Welker is smallish, works the underneath, and isn't a big play guy. Walter is very big (6'3"), lives on the outside, and is a big play threat. The only similarity is both are good route runners.
They're also gritty, deceptively fast fan favorites with good hands.
 
I would put him at 5 behind Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers

if healthy I think he would be in my 2nd tier of qbs after the top 4 along with McNabb, Rivers and Warner.

 
I agree with those saying not quite elite, but 2nd tier.

For a guy currently going around #12, he's a value pick. I'm loving the combo of Schaub / Garrard. :thumbup:

 
I'm loving the combo of Schaub / Garrard. :no:
You and every other honk under the shining sun, apparently. :no:I like that pairing too, but lately Garrard has been going earlier and earlier in my drafts. It appears more folks than I had expected are viewing Garrard as a "safe" option to be their starter(as the last team to take a starting QB, anyway). It's happened 2 out of the last 3 money league drafts I've finished over the past week and in the third, he was the first QB2 snagged. Be prepared to grab him a couple rounds earlier than you think you need to if you really want that duo. Signed,A guy who got Schaub, then got hosed on backups, and is now praying at the altar of the "God of Cheap Shots" to keep him injury free for at least a dozen games.On topic....if he plays all 16 he's top 5. Maybe "only" #4 or #5, but still top 5.
 
I'm loving the combo of Schaub / Garrard. :moneybag:
You and every other honk under the shining sun, apparently. :thumbup:I like that pairing too, but lately Garrard has been going earlier and earlier in my drafts. It appears more folks than I had expected are viewing Garrard as a "safe" option to be their starter(as the last team to take a starting QB, anyway). It's happened 2 out of the last 3 money league drafts I've finished over the past week and in the third, he was the first QB2 snagged. Be prepared to grab him a couple rounds earlier than you think you need to if you really want that duo.
:moneybag: New Dynasty league:7.09 81. FUBAR Schaub, Matt HOU QB (QB #12)11.09 129. FUBAR Garrard, David JAC QB (QB #21)15.09 177. FUBAR Orton, Kyle DEN QB (QB #27)
 
:moneybag: These two are nothing alike. Welker is smallish, works the underneath, and isn't a big play guy. Walter is very big (6'3"), lives on the outside, and is a big play threat. The only similarity is both are good route runners.
I'm pretty sure they were only even brought up together because they're both white and have last names that start with a 'W'.
 
IF he plays a full 16, with their soft schedule he'll be TOP 3. He can easily throw 30+ TDs this year if he can stay on the field. The biggest key is actually the running game. Slaton needs to stay healthy and Brown needs to finally start living up to the hype.

 
War Eagle said:
IF he plays a full 16, with their soft schedule he'll be TOP 3. He can easily throw 30+ TDs this year if he can stay on the field. The biggest key is actually the running game. Slaton needs to stay healthy and Brown needs to finally start living up to the hype.
Teams' 2009 strength of schedule based on opponents' 2008 record.

2009 NFL schedule

2009 TEAM-BY-TEAM STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE

Team Win Loss Tie Pct.

15. Houston Texans 129 126 1 .506
http://www.junkyardjake.com/Matchup/SOS/sos_pass.htmpretty decent playoff schedule, but overall the Texans face a better than average pass D schedule.

 
War Eagle said:
IF he plays a full 16, with their soft schedule he'll be TOP 3. He can easily throw 30+ TDs this year if he can stay on the field. The biggest key is actually the running game. Slaton needs to stay healthy and Brown needs to finally start living up to the hype.
Teams' 2009 strength of schedule based on opponents' 2008 record.

2009 NFL schedule

2009 TEAM-BY-TEAM STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE

Team Win Loss Tie Pct.

15. Houston Texans 129 126 1 .506
http://www.junkyardjake.com/Matchup/SOS/sos_pass.htmpretty decent playoff schedule, but overall the Texans face a better than average pass D schedule.
1 NY Jets - soft secondary2 @ Tennessee

3 Jacksonville - soft secondary

4 Oakland

5 @ Arizona - soft secondary

6 @ Cincinnati - soft secondary

7 San Francisco - soft secondary

8 @ Buffalo - soft secondary

9 @ Indianapolis

10 BYE WEEK

11 Tennessee

12 Indianapolis

13 @ Jacksonville - soft secondary

14 Seattle - soft secondary

15 @ St. Louis - soft secondary

16 @ Miami - soft secondary

17 New England - mediocre secondary

10 of 16 games against soft secondaries with an 11th mediocre one. Only 5 tough matchups and 3 of those are in Houston.

I think it's set up pretty well for Houston.

 
War Eagle said:
IF he plays a full 16, with their soft schedule he'll be TOP 3. He can easily throw 30+ TDs this year if he can stay on the field. The biggest key is actually the running game. Slaton needs to stay healthy and Brown needs to finally start living up to the hype.
Teams' 2009 strength of schedule based on opponents' 2008 record.

2009 NFL schedule

2009 TEAM-BY-TEAM STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE

Team Win Loss Tie Pct.

15. Houston Texans 129 126 1 .506
http://www.junkyardjake.com/Matchup/SOS/sos_pass.htmpretty decent playoff schedule, but overall the Texans face a better than average pass D schedule.
1 NY Jets - soft secondary2 @ Tennessee

3 Jacksonville - soft secondary

4 Oakland

5 @ Arizona - soft secondary

6 @ Cincinnati - soft secondary

7 San Francisco - soft secondary

8 @ Buffalo - soft secondary

9 @ Indianapolis

10 BYE WEEK

11 Tennessee

12 Indianapolis

13 @ Jacksonville - soft secondary

14 Seattle - soft secondary

15 @ St. Louis - soft secondary

16 @ Miami - soft secondary

17 New England - mediocre secondary

10 of 16 games against soft secondaries with an 11th mediocre one. Only 5 tough matchups and 3 of those are in Houston.

I think it's set up pretty well for Houston.
I'm not going to take the time right now to refute individually, but IMO most of those teams you're calling soft are in the average band. Again, I do like the playoffs stretch.
 
for what its worth, Matt has looked very good in preseason action. Hes got an excellent rhythm with his playmakers and spreads the ball around to 5 or 6 different guys. This is with 2 starters on the o line being out.

 
I think this year Schaub is just a guy you have to pull the trigger on if you believe in him, because someone else will if you don't. Right now I am projecting myself to take him at 5.01 ahead of guys like Warner, McNabb, and Romo because I know he won't make it back to me. That's ahead of where FBG has him ranked but like I said, you just have to pull the trigger if you want him.

 
jurb26 said:
IF he plays all 16 then I would only place these guys ahead of him:BradyBreesWarner (big if on him playing all 16 too IMO)RodgersRiversP. ManningThese are guys I'm very confident will outperform him if they all play 16. There are others I would put in the argument with Schaub but like his chances better so I would say the answer to your question (for me) is #7.
Exactly my thoughts and damn near my rankings (I just have Manning higher). I have him 7th behind those 6.
 
I think this year Schaub is just a guy you have to pull the trigger on if you believe in him, because someone else will if you don't. Right now I am projecting myself to take him at 5.01 ahead of guys like Warner, McNabb, and Romo because I know he won't make it back to me. That's ahead of where FBG has him ranked but like I said, you just have to pull the trigger if you want him.
me too. I'm looking at him (if I don't get Brady at 1.05) at 4.08, as I don't think Schaub makes it back to me in the 5th round (at 5.05).
 
War Eagle said:
IF he plays a full 16, with their soft schedule he'll be TOP 3. He can easily throw 30+ TDs this year if he can stay on the field. The biggest key is actually the running game. Slaton needs to stay healthy and Brown needs to finally start living up to the hype.
Teams' 2009 strength of schedule based on opponents' 2008 record.

2009 NFL schedule

2009 TEAM-BY-TEAM STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE

Team Win Loss Tie Pct.

15. Houston Texans 129 126 1 .506
http://www.junkyardjake.com/Matchup/SOS/sos_pass.htmpretty decent playoff schedule, but overall the Texans face a better than average pass D schedule.
1 NY Jets - soft secondary2 @ Tennessee

3 Jacksonville - soft secondary

4 Oakland

5 @ Arizona - soft secondary

6 @ Cincinnati - soft secondary

7 San Francisco - soft secondary

8 @ Buffalo - soft secondary

9 @ Indianapolis

10 BYE WEEK

11 Tennessee

12 Indianapolis

13 @ Jacksonville - soft secondary

14 Seattle - soft secondary

15 @ St. Louis - soft secondary

16 @ Miami - soft secondary

17 New England - mediocre secondary

10 of 16 games against soft secondaries with an 11th mediocre one. Only 5 tough matchups and 3 of those are in Houston.

I think it's set up pretty well for Houston.
I would also disagree with your soft secondary comments. Take the Jets...Revis and Lito Sheppard at the corners, Rhodes and Leonard at safety. I would venture to say that this D backfield is better than NE's at this point. Revis is near to being a shut down corner, while Sheppard did not play well last year in Philly, he has been a pro bowl CB before, and the safeties are more than solid. I think the mistake you make here is blaming some team's DB's for a pourous pass D when it was a lack of a good pass rush instead. Two of the 4 starters for the Jets are new to the roster. San Fran, StL and Seattle not gold mines for FF QB scoring either.

 
War Eagle said:
IF he plays a full 16, with their soft schedule he'll be TOP 3. He can easily throw 30+ TDs this year if he can stay on the field. The biggest key is actually the running game. Slaton needs to stay healthy and Brown needs to finally start living up to the hype.
Teams' 2009 strength of schedule based on opponents' 2008 record.

2009 NFL schedule

2009 TEAM-BY-TEAM STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE

Team Win Loss Tie Pct.

15. Houston Texans 129 126 1 .506
http://www.junkyardjake.com/Matchup/SOS/sos_pass.htmpretty decent playoff schedule, but overall the Texans face a better than average pass D schedule.
1 NY Jets - soft secondary2 @ Tennessee

3 Jacksonville - soft secondary

4 Oakland

5 @ Arizona - soft secondary

6 @ Cincinnati - soft secondary

7 San Francisco - soft secondary

8 @ Buffalo - soft secondary

9 @ Indianapolis

10 BYE WEEK

11 Tennessee

12 Indianapolis

13 @ Jacksonville - soft secondary

14 Seattle - soft secondary

15 @ St. Louis - soft secondary

16 @ Miami - soft secondary

17 New England - mediocre secondary

10 of 16 games against soft secondaries with an 11th mediocre one. Only 5 tough matchups and 3 of those are in Houston.

I think it's set up pretty well for Houston.
I would also disagree with your soft secondary comments. Take the Jets...Revis and Lito Sheppard at the corners, Rhodes and Leonard at safety. I would venture to say that this D backfield is better than NE's at this point. Revis is near to being a shut down corner, while Sheppard did not play well last year in Philly, he has been a pro bowl CB before, and the safeties are more than solid. I think the mistake you make here is blaming some team's DB's for a pourous pass D when it was a lack of a good pass rush instead. Two of the 4 starters for the Jets are new to the roster. San Fran, StL and Seattle not gold mines for FF QB scoring either.
I see you're a homer, big surprise. ;) There is reason for optimism in NY this year and I do think the defense will be improved. But don't think Philly let Lito go for no reason. They are pretty good at judging talent on D. Once a pro-bowler isn't always a pro-bowler. And Andre will eat that little man for lunch. Lito 5'10" Andre 6'3".

"SOFT" was probably the wrong word to use for the Jets, but not the rest. The Jets may put up a fight for a while, but I still think Houston can put up 250 and 2 TDs through the air against them.

Jacksonville = nobody good in the secondary besides Mathis

Arizona = got McFadden, but he's only a slight upgrade in the secondary

Cinncy = no explanation needed

SF = iffy at CB and no safety

Buffalo = no explanation needed

Seattle = no explanation needed

ST. Louis = no explanation needed

Miami = Eric Green? good luck...how'd he do in Arizona? Safeties are not cover safeties.

NE = Shawn Springs? good luck!

JETS = I admittedly overlooked Revis and Lito

 
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I'm taking AJ in rd 1 ( PPR ) and hoping to get Schaub at 5:7. I like him a lot, but no way am I overpaying and taking in rd 4. I am also going to take Walters at 7:7 if he's availble. Our league is only 4 pts per td passing, so no need to reach on a QB too early. I grabbed Rivers last yr in rd 9 and did fine. 5 is earlier than I want for Schaub, but I want the Schaub/AJ hookup. It could be huge.

 
Gary Kubiak was on the radio (Rome, maybe), and was asked about Schaub and his durability. Kubiak pointed to two things:

1. Schaub holding onto the ball too long at times.

2. Pass protection being less than perfect.

I believe he said that both areas have been improved significantly, but made specific note of Matt's improvement to get rid of the ball.

If he plays 16 games, I think Schaub finishes #4 behind Brady, Brees, and Player X.

With such a high value in points per game, it seems foolish to worry about his injury. Draft him, and make sure you get a superior back-up.

For what it's worth, I was able to draft Cutler at 8.08, and followed that with Schaub at 9.05...with every intention of using Schaub as my starter. With durability being the only concern, I felt that grabbing another QB within a round was the smart play...especially at such a cheap price tag.

QB draft order for that league:

1. Brady

2. Brees

3. Manning

4. Rodgers

5. Warner

6. Ryan

7. Rivers

8. McNabb

9. Romo

10. Palmer

11. Cutler

12. Schaub

 
I think Schaub can stay healthy..the only games he missed last season was because a Dlinemen ran into his knee..I think he should be fine this year. Also i think he gets top 5 and for sure top 7. Do i keep him from last year over Felix Jones?

 
I think this guy is really gonna have a HUGE year. Outside of the two games they play against Tennessee there really isnt a pass D# on their schedule that scares me. And just look at those oh so sweet playoff match ups... Home vs. Seattle, @ St. Louis, and @ Miami.

If he can manage to stay on the field, I can see him chucking 30+.
I'm with you my FFA/The Wire brother. I'm long Schaub this year. Drafting him in rounds 5-7 and have him in several keepers. I say he goes 13-14 games but gives you Top 5 stats during the period.

I really like Walter this year as well. He's a poor man's Wes Welker.
Welker and Walter are nothing alike as receivers. Admit it, you said that because they're both white and good.
:confused: These two are nothing alike. Welker is smallish, works the underneath, and isn't a big play guy. Walter is very big (6'3"), lives on the outside, and is a big play threat. The only similarity is both are good route runners.As far as Schaub, I figure he's good for 4200 26/14, somewhere in that range, should he play all 16. That should have him pushing top 5, for sure. Tough to predict him going all 16 though.
Thanks for pointing out the obvious guys. I'm referring to their fantasy production, not WR style. We can address who is the better downfield blocker on another thread. Key point being look for Walter to be more consistent this year while matching last year's production hence poor man's Welker.

 
I don't mean to nit pick, but I still don't see the comparison. Welker is a 90/1000 guy, model of consistancy, a wr2 for sure. Walter is a 60/850 guy with high td% potential. A wr3 most likely, who will have some big games with mix of stinkers.

In terms of fantasy production, I don't see any comparison.

Sorry

 
I think this guy is really gonna have a HUGE year. Outside of the two games they play against Tennessee there really isnt a pass D# on their schedule that scares me. And just look at those oh so sweet playoff match ups... Home vs. Seattle, @ St. Louis, and @ Miami.

If he can manage to stay on the field, I can see him chucking 30+.
I'm with you my FFA/The Wire brother. I'm long Schaub this year. Drafting him in rounds 5-7 and have him in several keepers. I say he goes 13-14 games but gives you Top 5 stats during the period.

I really like Walter this year as well. He's a poor man's Wes Welker.
Welker and Walter are nothing alike as receivers. Admit it, you said that because they're both white and good.
:shrug: These two are nothing alike. Welker is smallish, works the underneath, and isn't a big play guy. Walter is very big (6'3"), lives on the outside, and is a big play threat. The only similarity is both are good route runners.As far as Schaub, I figure he's good for 4200 26/14, somewhere in that range, should he play all 16. That should have him pushing top 5, for sure. Tough to predict him going all 16 though.
Thanks for pointing out the obvious guys. I'm referring to their fantasy production, not WR style. We can address who is the better downfield blocker on another thread. Key point being look for Walter to be more consistent this year while matching last year's production hence poor man's Welker.
break that down for us. How is the big play Walter who wil be a low level #2 or decent #3 is similar in production to a legit #1 in Welker?Walter is much more a poor man's Roddy White or Javon Walker when he was healthy. Even a Reggie Wayne.

 
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interestingly, the dynasty guru here has him ranked 11th. that's about where i put him.

he was tremendous last year when healthy, particularly in the second half of the season.

but i suggest you have a backup plan for week 4; i'm already planning on him benching him vs. oakland.

 

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