Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Slaton will lose redzone and short yardage carries (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter turfman
- Start date
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I give chris brown about 4 carries at the GL before his glass body breaks
Fantaholic
Footballguy
Slaton looked okay running one in from a few yards out against the Vikings first defense, which may be the best in the league.
Anyone who has been around long enough to enjoy Chris Brown since he entered the league will not lose sleep over this Kubiak statement.
Anyone who has been around long enough to enjoy Chris Brown since he entered the league will not lose sleep over this Kubiak statement.
Last edited by a moderator:
ceo3west
Footballguy
I don't see where Kubiak said goalline anywhere.Anyone who avoids Slaton because they believe Brown will be a major TD threat is making a huge mistake. Even in the unlikely event that Brown gets every goalline carry this year, Slaton will still see plenty of redzone touches and is good for at least 10 TD's in this offense. And what is truly midblowing is that there are people that are actually scared away by Chris Brown. Let me repeat that. Chris Brown.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
exactly. this is the guy reffered to as Chrissy every year, right?
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
chris brown games played since 2003:
11
11
15
5
12
0
not too worried.
11
11
15
5
12
0
not too worried.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
These types of things have been under discussion all day. How anyone can decipher if he means "on occasion" or "all the time" or any point in between is beyond me.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I haven't seen a single poster mention that it scares them.Actually, we have an entire thread scoffing at the idea that Chris Brown could put a dent in Slaton's value.
I realize CB is likely to go down, but this is still not good news for Slaton. The Texans would be foolish to use Slaton anywhere near the goal-line. He's a small guy who will need to be spelled. It serves the team best to give him all of his touches in space where he can rip off a big play. There's also the fact that he's not effective in short-yardage situations.
In Slaton's dream rookie season, 4 of his 9 TDs came from inside the 2 yard-line (6 from inside the 7 yard line). It doesn't make sense to use Slaton in these situations. The coach is implying that he won't be used in these situations. Slaton's not scoring 10 TDs this season. He may only get half that. That affects his value. Doesn't destroy it by any means, but it affects it.
It's doubtful that CB can stay healthy, but stranger things have happened. Considering he's the only viable back-up for one the smallest backs in the league, I'd say he's got some nice upside as a late-round flier.
Last edited by a moderator:
Carver Lee
Footballguy
Jumped from reading the Pierre Thomas thread to this one and I find things very ironic.People scoffing at the idea that Chris Brown could take significant carries from an undersized, 2nd-year scatback are totally off base.Chris Brown, when healthy >>> Pierre Thomas >> Mike Bell. No, it is not the saints offense but Houston is no slouch. And "WHEN HEALTHY" has pretty much been never.. but there should be no doubt that IF Brown stays healthy, he WILL be a big player this year. Same cannot be said for Pierre or Bell IMO.
CB is a gimp, but his talent level is far beyond the PT types, it's really not close.your the 1st realistic person i've seen regarding slaton's TD's. Most are projecting 12ish which is downright ridiculous.
Fantaholic
Footballguy
Slaton 2008 Regular Season Totals 268/1282/9 50/377/1 First half of the season they were still feeling him out a bit, and he was up against some pretty tough D's as well. However, his season total from scrimmage was 1659 and 10 TD's. This year he is the unquestioned starter at RB on a team that theoretically will have a healthy Schaub at the helm. Please explain to me why a repeat of last year's numbers with slight improvement is "ridiculous".
last year all of his backfield mates were injured, the texans had no other options.Slaton is a scat back who will be best with 200-225 carries on the season.
ceo3west
Footballguy
Is that why they went out and signed a solid workhorse back who will complement Slaton this year? Oh wait..If Slaton gets 225 carries this year, are you projecting Brown to get the other 200-240 carries?
it will be a mix, with brown getting around 160-180.there were no solid affordable FA's and just because they didn't draft a RB early says nothing, it just means the draft didn't fall in a way where it was feasible and they had bigger needs in other areas.
gonzobill5
Footballguy
He was 4 for 17 on converting from inside the opponent's 5. (4 for 13 from inside the 3) Yet, he was 13 out of 20 on converting on 3rd or 4th down with 3 yards or less to go. These are my counts by scanning game logs, so someone might want to try to confirmThat's a huge discrepency in his short yardage production - one that IMO might be more of a result of bad (or predictable) play calling. The Texans didn't utilize Daniels much in the redzone. Daniels had 10 redzone looks which places him around the 13th ranked TE, even though he was the 5th ranked TE in terms of overall looks. Perhaps mixing it up a bit more will open things up for Slaton.Suffice it to say I don't buy the Chris Brown hype, healthy or not.
Fantaholic
Footballguy
Sorry man. Just saw your sig "The Nostradamus of FF." You've seen all this already. However, wasn't Nostradamus wrong more often than he was right?
gonzobill5
Footballguy
65% on 3rd/4th and 3 or less is bad? How's this one: he averaged 8.9 ypc in these situations - tops in the league.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
SSOG
Moderator
Goal-line = short yardage. If you're at the 3-yard line, then you have 3 yards or less to go by definition.Also, if I were a Slaton owner, I wouldn't be as scared of Chris Brown as I would be of the fact that Kubiak seems so determined that those carries should go to someone other than Slaton. Perhaps scared is the wrong word- let's say that I would temper my enthusiasm based on the fact that Kubiak is intent on giving high-value carries to someone else.
Carver Lee
Footballguy
i somewhat agree with the point but this is by no means a FACT. Between the two, the FACT is, Slaton had one goaline carry and scored. Brown had one and didn't.
delusional
Footballguy
my god it is LOSE....LOOSE is the opposite of tight
ceo3west
Footballguy
footballnerd
Footballguy
Slaton was second only to Turner in number of carries within the 10 yard line last year. They have no problem giving that guy the rock.
footballnerd
Footballguy
Don't forget he also has a ridiculously easier schedule this year.
MCguidance
Footballguy
Lol, I was wondering when someone would catch this - the title blue my mind.
SSOG
Moderator
The FACT is that Kubiak said "Our goal is to use him basically as a short-yardage runner, a red zone runner...". Unless he figured out a way to hand off to two RBs simultaneously, any red zone or short yardage carry Brown gets is a red zone or short yardage carry that Slaton doesn't get.
footballnerd
Footballguy
And last year people said Chris Taylor would take away carriers from Slaton because Steve was so small. The only thing going to be different this year is the last name of the Chris.
He also didn't make it passed halftime in many of those games. Although he did run for close to 100 yards in 1 halfs work.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
And among all those guys around him, he was by far the worst at what he did with those opportunities.Last year, they had no other option. That's why he got the carries there.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I am pretty high on Slaton this year, but what is funny about this is, the minute Chris Brown or another back on the Texans not named Steve Slaton scores a 1 or 2 yard TD this season, people will be in the game thread #####ing about Slaton having a TD vultured away from him, as if this thread or other warnings of the sort never happened. 
GregR_2
Footballguy
May want to watch and see how Arian Foster does in Friday night's final preseason game for the Texans.
This is just my personal opinion... but I think if Foster is cut and they don't sign another big RB, then a Chris Brown injury would result in Slaton getting the goal line touches. However, if Foster makes the team, then I think he would be the first one to get a shot at being the goal line back if Brown is out.
Right now Foster is on the bubble according to Kubiak, but his play in the Vikings game was a bright spot. The coaches were also apparently impressed with his blitz pickups in the game.
This is just my personal opinion... but I think if Foster is cut and they don't sign another big RB, then a Chris Brown injury would result in Slaton getting the goal line touches. However, if Foster makes the team, then I think he would be the first one to get a shot at being the goal line back if Brown is out.
Right now Foster is on the bubble according to Kubiak, but his play in the Vikings game was a bright spot. The coaches were also apparently impressed with his blitz pickups in the game.
this is funny.
people claiming that Chris Brown has so much more talent and is a lock.
Since 2003, Chris Brown has 7 games > 100 yards rushing
Since last September, Slaton has 5, and 4 other games > 100 YFS
"But Chris Brown is so big and strong"
Chris Brown has yet to average 10 PPG in his career. He hasn't yet and he never will. History proves this to be fact.
people claiming that Chris Brown has so much more talent and is a lock.
Since 2003, Chris Brown has 7 games > 100 yards rushing
Since last September, Slaton has 5, and 4 other games > 100 YFS
"But Chris Brown is so big and strong"
Chris Brown has yet to average 10 PPG in his career. He hasn't yet and he never will. History proves this to be fact.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
????????????????????????No one is claiming CB to be a great talent. He's a guy that's had success in the league and now has a nice opportunity, in the unlikely event that he stays healthy. Certainly, no one in this thread has even implied that CB is more talented than Slaton.I think you need to check the definitions of "prove" and "fact".In '04, Brown averaged over 110 combined yards from scrimmage per game to go along with 6 TDs (11 games). Nothing about Brown's future has been "proven" either.Not that any of that matters. No one is even discussing CBs fantasy value (though that might be a mistake). We're just talking about him nabbing some TDs from Slaton.
pghrob
Footballguy
Traders2001
Footballguy
Very funny ....
Most Slatons owner are trying to convince themselves that Brown is no threat , by saying Brown wont last more thne 3 games, or Chris who .
Slaton was a one year wonder and by week 8 Brown will get most of the carries.
Most Slatons owner are trying to convince themselves that Brown is no threat , by saying Brown wont last more thne 3 games, or Chris who .
Slaton was a one year wonder and by week 8 Brown will get most of the carries.
It's good to set goals, another thing to meat* them. The FACT is that Slaton is the team's best rb - by far. It ws Slaton that scored Monday night from the goalline, wasn't it? Maybe Brown was getting a breather? Slaton will get plenty of chances from in close and Brown will get some, too. But in the end Slaton will finish as a top 10 back.
Seems a lot of Slaton owners and in denial that Chris Brown will cut 4-6 TD's off of Slaton's totals. Yes Slaton will have a great year, but he will miss out of some easy scores. Slaton should still reach 8-10 TD's though, but on this offense he could have gotten 14-15 TD's.
