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Lynch VS Fred Jackson (1 Viewer)
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Young 8
Footballguy
Lynch 20 carriesJackson 10 carries, 5 receptions
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karmarooster
Footballguy
Morton Muffley
Footballguy
I've seen this sentiment written before and I realy don't understand it...or perhaps as a Lynch owner I don't want to believe it. OK, so my bias aside, here's my thought process:Imagine the #1RB played all preseason and then got hurt and couldn't play/practice for 3 weeks. OK, so now imagine that at the start of week 4 he is healthy enough to practice fully with the team. Would we really think that after 3 weeks of recuperation that the #1 RB would be be given "very limited" action in week 4? No, if he's healthy enough to play, we'd expect him to start and see a good number of carries. So how is this situation different?
Personally, I agree that Jackson has been very effective, but I don't think one can argue that Lynch was the #1 RB on this team at the end of preseason and while Jackson's productivity makes it easier for Jauron to ease Lynch back in I don't think "very limited" is an accurate assessment what I'd expect. Indeed, "very limited" sounds to me like you are expecting a 70/30 split in Jackson's favor. I expect a 60/40 split in Lynch's favor.
Lynch: 16 carries, 3 receptions
Jackson: 10 carries, 3 receptions
As always, just my opinion.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
During early drafts, I took Lynch and felt that if I could do okay until Week 4 he could make my teams dominant when he came back.
3 regular season weeks later, weeks savaged by injury and underperformance by my other picks, Lynch has gone from luxury to possibly my last hope. I'll start him. The offense looks good at least half of the time. :/
3 regular season weeks later, weeks savaged by injury and underperformance by my other picks, Lynch has gone from luxury to possibly my last hope. I'll start him. The offense looks good at least half of the time. :/
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Jackson got the ball 170 times last year, no one expected him to not be involved. I don't know what "full blown RBBC" means necessarily - 50/50 split? - but I'm sure Lynch will have more touches if they both play the last 13 games.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
SteevieG
Footballguy
I'm thinking I'm sitting both Jackson and Lynch this week and going with Benson and Moreno. I'd rather start either Lynch or Jackson over Moreno, but until we see how the work load is divided I can't risk it. I would like to thank Fred Jackson for helping me to a 2-1 start to the season.
A guy who is hurt is still attending meetings, working out with the team. On suspension, you are on your own, no practice, no meetings. Since he left the Bills fired the OC. Things have definitely changed.I suspect that by week 6, Lynch will be getting 50% or more of the touches, as he's younger and more talented than Jackson. But to imagine he comes in cold and supplants Jackson, who has played very well, in the first week back, seems tough for me to believe. I'll be very happy to be proven wrong, but I'll definitely be sitting Lynch week 4.
JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
I love how everyone on this forum forgets that Lynch is a good back and better then Jackson!
Oh and Wilson loves him, and if Jouron is hoping to keep his job, he'll do whatever it takes to please his boss.... including giving the best offensive player the ball!
Teams are not scared of Jackson hence not game planning for him like they would Lynch....
When Lynch comes back look for TO to get more involved as they will not just game plan for TO, they have to game plan for Lynch now too!
Big part of whats wrong with the Bills offense, but lets not state the obvious, lets over think it...
CONTINUE ON................
Oh and Wilson loves him, and if Jouron is hoping to keep his job, he'll do whatever it takes to please his boss.... including giving the best offensive player the ball!
Teams are not scared of Jackson hence not game planning for him like they would Lynch....
When Lynch comes back look for TO to get more involved as they will not just game plan for TO, they have to game plan for Lynch now too!
Big part of whats wrong with the Bills offense, but lets not state the obvious, lets over think it...
CONTINUE ON................
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Wow. Now I am excited again. thanks
H.K.
Footballguy
Jackson had 76 out of 81 possible RB touches these past three games, probably a safe bet he blows by that 170 number.
butterfingers
Footballguy
That is awesome. Thanks for the perspective "reset". Just a reminder on how beastly this dude really is. As good as Fred is, Lynch is clearly the number 1. Sucks for me because I have Fred.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
I drafted Lynch around the 7th round waiting for this week. I'm still a little chicken to start him his first week back. I guessed right on PT last week and don't wan't to press my luck, lol.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Last year, with both guys playing in the same game, the split was 19.8 touches for Lynch and 9.3 touches for Jackson. I suspect it will revert to that in a few weeks but may be closer to 50-50 this week.
karmarooster
Footballguy
I agree with your logic, but I don't know that I'll have the guts to start Lynch this week. Or Jackson either, for that matter. Will you??Although I may be forced to because of week 4 byes (Carolina and Arizona).
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Marshawn Lynch, Buffalo Bills
HT: 5-10, WT: 223, Born: 4-22-1986, College: California, Drafted: Round 1, Pick 12
Fred Jackson, Buffalo Bills
HT: 6-1, WT: 215, Born: 2-20-1981, College: Coe, Drafted: ---
I think Lynch would have been a mid-2nd rounder if not for the suspension. He's motivated, he's ready to roll. He's bigger, stronger, faster, and 5 years younger. I just don't see how Jackson holds him off the field very much. Jackson is a decent player and I'd imagine the split to be similar to last season when Lynch was the 13th best back. With TO and the further development of Edwards, I think he creeps in to the top 10.
Reports state he is playing closer to 230 this season so that may translate into some more goalline love. Fred Jackson got exactly 5 goalline carries last season and converted none of them.
HT: 5-10, WT: 223, Born: 4-22-1986, College: California, Drafted: Round 1, Pick 12
Fred Jackson, Buffalo Bills
HT: 6-1, WT: 215, Born: 2-20-1981, College: Coe, Drafted: ---
I think Lynch would have been a mid-2nd rounder if not for the suspension. He's motivated, he's ready to roll. He's bigger, stronger, faster, and 5 years younger. I just don't see how Jackson holds him off the field very much. Jackson is a decent player and I'd imagine the split to be similar to last season when Lynch was the 13th best back. With TO and the further development of Edwards, I think he creeps in to the top 10.
Reports state he is playing closer to 230 this season so that may translate into some more goalline love. Fred Jackson got exactly 5 goalline carries last season and converted none of them.
One thing that struck me was the fact that Lynch seemed to get all the "real" work in the preseason. Fred Jackson only got the garbage time, second string work.
It's almost like Jauron believes that Lynch is the horse in this race and that Jackson is clearly second string. His usage last year sort of bears that out, Jackson was better but Lynch still got the most carries.
Whether its right or not, Jackson gets treated as sort of a third down back. He's a great receiver, whereas Lynch is not. Jackson is more of an effort player, but Lynch is the natural talent and I think he retains early down and goal work this year.
I think they both negate each other to flex/bye RB2 status, but if you made me choose, I think Lynch wins out.
Also, best picture ever: http://www.nfl.com/players/marshawnlynch/p...le?id=LYN442976
It's almost like Jauron believes that Lynch is the horse in this race and that Jackson is clearly second string. His usage last year sort of bears that out, Jackson was better but Lynch still got the most carries.
Whether its right or not, Jackson gets treated as sort of a third down back. He's a great receiver, whereas Lynch is not. Jackson is more of an effort player, but Lynch is the natural talent and I think he retains early down and goal work this year.
I think they both negate each other to flex/bye RB2 status, but if you made me choose, I think Lynch wins out.
Also, best picture ever: http://www.nfl.com/players/marshawnlynch/p...le?id=LYN442976
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twistd
Footballguy
I'm looking at trading for either Freddy Jackson or Lynch. I heard today that Freddy Jackson may keep the starting job. If that is indeed the case he is very solid. Buffalo has done a better job running the ball than I expected. If Lynch were to go back to his old role as the main back he could be very good. Any thoughts?
ceo3west
Footballguy
Jauron told the Buffalo News today that the touches will be split evenly. As an owner of both, I'd rather have Lynch going forward. I like Jax, but the cream always rises.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
The cream has risen the first three games.
CrazyHorse1581
Footballguy
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Lynch has more talent, but Jackson has played well so far. I don't see Lynch jumping right into the starting role just yet.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
The Bills are 1-2
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
and they played some soft Ds
Bills_Fan11
Footballguy
Good point. McGahee >>> SJax
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Some of us have been saying for awhile that F Jackson is better than Lynch. It remains true, even if Lynch owners fail to acknowledge it.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Fred Jackson career:
4.8 yards per carry
8.7 yards per reception
Marshawn Lynch career:
4.1 yards per carry
7.4 yards per reception
4.8 yards per carry
8.7 yards per reception
Marshawn Lynch career:
4.1 yards per carry
7.4 yards per reception
Lynch has twice the number of touches and four times the number of TDs.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
yeah, because the coaching staff foolishly keeps giving lynch more touchespnewtonjr said:
Black&Gold
Footballguy
This is a ridiculous statement. Lynch will be the man soon. Jackson is a nice backup.
editor47
Footballguy
nothing like looking at stats in a vacuum.
if you want to compare fred jackson 2009 vs. marshawn lynch, that's one thing.
but to spout of stats could be very misleading. how many of jackson's carries came when the opponent was in a prevent defense? hoe many screen passes did he catch on 3rd and 20? his pct. of those plays is going to be higher than lynch's.
i'm not saying either is better than the other. just don't spout stats and expect us to accept them.
if you want to compare fred jackson 2009 vs. marshawn lynch, that's one thing.
but to spout of stats could be very misleading. how many of jackson's carries came when the opponent was in a prevent defense? hoe many screen passes did he catch on 3rd and 20? his pct. of those plays is going to be higher than lynch's.
i'm not saying either is better than the other. just don't spout stats and expect us to accept them.
So who will be the most productive this week specifically? Some of us have both and have to play one.
I think Lynch is also a good receiver (important for no-huddle) and that eventually it will be Lynch on early downs, Jackson as 3rd down back also change of pace backup, but i think he will rotate in more than previous years 65/35? is my guess, but with the no-huddle who knows for sure.
Lynch is too talented, but for this week I have no idea and really need to know who will be the better of the two.
I think Lynch is also a good receiver (important for no-huddle) and that eventually it will be Lynch on early downs, Jackson as 3rd down back also change of pace backup, but i think he will rotate in more than previous years 65/35? is my guess, but with the no-huddle who knows for sure.
Lynch is too talented, but for this week I have no idea and really need to know who will be the better of the two.
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Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
LOL, your rage is amusing. I'm just putting facts on the table. If you have better facts, I'm all ears.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
editor is right. You can't compare a 3rd down back's YPC to a guy that plays 1st down, 2nd down and goal line. The 3rd down back will always have better numbers regardless of talent.
Parmcat
Canada: Beer, Bacon and Beavers
I was at the game last week, and Freddie was visibly injured and hobbled off the field his last carry of the game....with 1 minute or so to play and down by 20
Was anything said about this anywhere?
Maybe it wasnt as bad as it looked, but he was limping very noticibly
Was anything said about this anywhere?
Maybe it wasnt as bad as it looked, but he was limping very noticibly
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Well Scooter, perhaps you could just look at Jackson's stats in the games he has started.2009 (3 games started):61 carries, 291 yards, 4.8 yards per carry2008 (3 games started): 39 carries, 175 yards, 4.5 yards per carry2007 (1 game started):16 carries, 82 yards, 5.1 yards per carryOverall (2007-2009, only games started):116 carries, 548 yards, 4.7 yards per carryIt looks like Jackson has done just fine in games where he has started. In fact, his rushing average in games started is 4.7 yards per carry, which is identical to his career average.
your entire premise is faultyJackson has produced at a far higher level than Lynch based on comparable carries, catches and playing time.Lynch is an intellectually challenged thug - who still does not know the playbookLucky for you the coaches are too stupid to realize that Jackson is the heart and soul of the bills offense
Kuz
Footballguy
You are not by chance a Fred Jackson - non Lynch owner... But seriously I think Jackson has played very well & this most likely will be some form of RBBC unless there's an injury..
Black&Gold
Footballguy
Just because you start 1-3 games a year, doesn't mean that you will have those stats over an entire season. Who were they playing? When the backup RB comes in for a start, the defense switches it's attention to the passing game thus leaving more of a hole for the RB. Is Jackson a talented change of pace RB? Sure. But, Lynch is a proven workhorse. Those don't come around very often.
Titans_fan
Footballguy
I utilized Jackson weeks 1-3 and was pleased with the production he got me. Going forward, I think Lynch is going to be the better option but only by a slight margin. He's proven he can carry the load, and you have to wonder if he's going to come into games out to prove to the organization he's a stud RB and not a nuisance, ala Brandon Marshall.
I see some angry running from Lynch which could mean bad things for opposing defenses...
I see some angry running from Lynch which could mean bad things for opposing defenses...
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
I love that Lynch never gives up on a play. The Bills haven't had a good OL in a long time so Lynch had to work for every yard he gained, noticeably pushing the pile many times throughout the game to get just 1 more yard. Jackson is a different type of runner. He is quicker and more explosive and better suited as an outside of the tackles type of runner. From the games this year he seems to be running around the tackles or right behind them. He doesn't get nearly as many carries as Lynch does up the middle. They are 2 different types of running backs so it is difficult to compare them. Just like it is difficult to compare Brandon Jacobs to Ahmad Bradshaw. The stats are obviously misleading and we haven't seen if Lynch will be used differently this year. They have had Jackson working around the end while Lynch has always been an up-the-gut runner. Both work very hard and give it their all every play. I don't see how you can say that one is better than the other. As I stated they are different types or runners who will run different types of plays in different types of situations. Comparing apples to oranges here fellas.
GoBills02
Footballguy
But he's right. I love Freddie, but when the team has 6 DB's in and Trent checks down to Freddie, he gets those 15 yard carries. Freddie has done a remarkable job, and as a Bills fan, feel very fortunate to have both. It will be a "split" for the first few weeks, but I also believe you will see both of them on the field a lot more. They ran sets with both of them and 3 WR sets in training camp.
