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Not to reveal subscriber content but Dodds has Bradshaw as the 42nd ranked Rb moving forward. Are we watching the same player? He's at least a surefire RB2 every week with the potential for much more. 50/50 split on total touches between him and Jacobs rest of the season. I would say he'll get about 15 touches a week with goal line , about the same as Pierre Thomas imo, yet they have thomas 6th overall. Am I correct in my thinking that this ranking is way out of line. You would laugh if i disclosed the bums ahead of Bradshaw in the rankings ( McCoy, Leon, willis, LJ are just a few )

 
Even if Bradshaw doesn't get goal line carries (which I suspect Jacobs will still get the bulk of), he is still getting enough touches and yards to be startable almost every week. The Giants schedule does get a bit tougher, though, after being easy pickings early on, so that is a concern.

 
I expect Bradshaw to continue to get his 10-15 touches a game. He certainly has been impressive, but he's still there primarily as a COP and to spell Jacobs.

Remember, Ward was alsJ very impressive last season, but when the weather gets colder the Giants have shown a tendency and willingness to pound defenses with jacobs, especially near the goalline. Its been a successful formula.

As far as I know, Jacobs still has significantly more carries than Bradshaw so far.

 
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I still say that going back to the 2007 NYG super bowl run that whenever I watch a Giants game Bradshaw looks like the best RB and it does not even look close.

Jacobs still has value and a function but I would think they would go back to the Tiki/Jacobs days and use Bradshaw like Tiki while mixing in Jacobs??

 
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Touchdown Syndrome said:
As far as I know, Jacobs still has significantly more carries than Bradshaw so far.
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He does - 100 carries for Jacobs vs. 58 carries for Bradshaw....yet Bradshaw has 20 more rushing yards.
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Ok, thats pretty much what I figured. Like I said, Bradshaw has been no joke. IIRC, John "No, I'm not a pedophile, I just look like one" Clayton said this morning that Bradshaw is one of only like 4 RBs to have more than one 100-yard rushing game this year (along w/i think, Benson, SJax, and Rice).I still dont think that means a 50/50 carry split or anything in the near future. What did Ward average last year...6 yds per carry or something? BJ was still the bellcow.
 
When you factor in receptions, the split will be 50/50 in total touches imo and yes, i feel Bradshaw has taken the goal line roll. Jacobs may get one more shot but he will fail, he's not getting to the hole fats enough which is all that matters at the stripe. I would not trade bradshaw for jacobs right now, no way. Bradshaw is what i call a championship pick, just like p thomas last year

 
jaylasoul14 said:
When you factor in receptions, the split will be 50/50 in total touches imo and yes, i feel Bradshaw has taken the goal line roll. Jacobs may get one more shot but he will fail, he's not getting to the hole fats enough which is all that matters at the stripe. I would not trade bradshaw for jacobs right now, no way. Bradshaw is what i call a championship pick, just like p thomas last year
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Oh for pete's sake...6 receptions to 4 so far this year.
 
jaylasoul14 said:
Not to reveal subscriber content but Dodds has Bradshaw as the 42nd ranked Rb moving forward. Are we watching the same player? He's at least a surefire RB2 every week with the potential for much more. 50/50 split on total touches between him and Jacobs rest of the season. I would say he'll get about 15 touches a week with goal line , about the same as Pierre Thomas imo, yet they have thomas 6th overall. Am I correct in my thinking that this ranking is way out of line. You would laugh if i disclosed the bums ahead of Bradshaw in the rankings ( McCoy, Leon, willis, LJ are just a few )
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I'm a huge Bradshaw fan but not sure how you can say it will be a 50-50 split when its not ven close right now (100 v. 58 in Jacobs favor) or why you would think that Bradshaw in the GL back. I don't think Coughlin is ready to give up on Jacobs.I've said for the last three years that Bradshaw is the better all around back than Jacobs though and agree that RB42 is waaaay to low for this guy.In an ideal world Jacobs would be used in Marion Barber's old role of the "closer" and GL back. Bradshaw is just so much better and even runs with nearly as much power as Jacobs in a much smaller package.
 
Dr. Octopus said:
jaylasoul14 said:
Not to reveal subscriber content but Dodds has Bradshaw as the 42nd ranked Rb moving forward. Are we watching the same player? He's at least a surefire RB2 every week with the potential for much more. 50/50 split on total touches between him and Jacobs rest of the season. I would say he'll get about 15 touches a week with goal line , about the same as Pierre Thomas imo, yet they have thomas 6th overall. Am I correct in my thinking that this ranking is way out of line. You would laugh if i disclosed the bums ahead of Bradshaw in the rankings ( McCoy, Leon, willis, LJ are just a few )
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I'm a huge Bradshaw fan but not sure how you can say it will be a 50-50 split when its not ven close right now (100 v. 58 in Jacobs favor) or why you would think that Bradshaw in the GL back. I don't think Coughlin is ready to give up on Jacobs.I've said for the last three years that Bradshaw is the better all around back than Jacobs though and agree that RB42 is waaaay to low for this guy.

In an ideal world Jacobs would be used in Marion Barber's old role of the "closer" and GL back. Bradshaw is just so much better and even runs with nearly as much power as Jacobs in a much smaller package.
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Exactly. Here's what he said today:Giants coach Tom Coughlin said Wednesday that he is not worried about Brandon Jacobs' slow start to 2009.

Jacobs is averaging 3.6 yards per carry with only one touchdown. "I don’t know why people keep talking about (Jacobs) turning it around," Coughlin said. "The guy had some outstanding runs the other day. I don’t know what the expectations (are). He’s a power runner. That’s what he does." Expect Jacobs to heat up soon. He's simply too talented not to improve.

And I'm a Bradshaw owner wishing that Jacobs would just go away :hey:

 
jaylasoul14 said:
When you factor in receptions, the split will be 50/50 in total touches imo and yes, i feel Bradshaw has taken the goal line roll. Jacobs may get one more shot but he will fail, he's not getting to the hole fats enough which is all that matters at the stripe. I would not trade bradshaw for jacobs right now, no way. Bradshaw is what i call a championship pick, just like p thomas last year
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Wow, are you in for a let down.
 
I find the Top 250 too inflexible to changes in reality. A player like Bradshaw needs to have his numbers completely revamped.

Ricky Williams is another one.

 
I have Bradshaw on one team and I could give a rats ### if he is ranked 250 or 50 or 25. I will plug him in as a flex and bye week fill in as needed regardless of his ranking.

If you did not play him last week because of his ranking you lost out on a big week.

 
Billy Costigan Jr said:
I find the Top 250 too inflexible to changes in reality. A player like Bradshaw needs to have his numbers completely revamped.Ricky Williams is another one.
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The weakest part of this site is their T250 Forward. The staff is very slow to bump guys around without injury news. This hasn't changed in years and won't change now.
 
Why do people put much stock in this? Anybody who watches Bradshaw play, and has 2 RB's to start - he's in your lineup - period. It's a bad ranking - so what?

 
Use MyFBG to see where he ranks in your scoring system and league parameters. He is #30 in mine. That still may be low, but it is what it is.

 
Realize last week that Bradshaw played against the community college team from Oakland.

Still he is the #13 RB in my main league thanks to his 2 double-digit games against the BUCS and RAIDERS. If you only count weeks 1-4 he slides down to RB36 in scoring.

 
here's my 2 cents...

sure bradshaw may be looking better right now given the two soft D's he owned, but i think this another "if it isn't broke don't fix it" situations. jacobs is the main man in NY. the season is young, they arent going to make drastic changes because frankly, things are obviously working well for them right now the way they are. given the amount of touches bradshaw is getting i think his ranking (at the moment) is realistic. sure he'll have some big games here and there, but i think there will be more lackluster games than big ones until (if/when) gets more touches. i just dont see that happening until they start losing games or jacobs gets injured.

 
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Bradshaw gets to run against a defense that tried to stop a very fast 265-70 pound man. He's good but I'm not sure he's very good as I figure there's a slew of NFL RBs that could do well running against a D that Jacobs wore down.

The Giants have a 3 RB system that led the NFL in rushing last year and at 5-0 with the OL being the heart of that team...it's not changing anytime soon.

Last year it was two big backs, then a small one in the 4th Q.

Danny Ware will return soon, if not this week. Bradshaw made it clear he needs to be 2nd-that's a promotion of sorts. He didn't in anyway pass over Jacobs.

Until the Giants throw to Jacobs more, ANY NFL RB will have it easier at the GL than him since they are a threat to also catch a pass or even run a little wide. Jacobs has taken a zillion goalline carries in a row straight ahead. How predictable is that? It's more amazing how many times he scores even though the D knows exactly where it's coming.

 
I don't like 42 RB for dynasty leagues if that's it. Gmen really like Danny Ware and they llllllove Andre Brown. It could be correct for Bradshaw but what a risk heading into camp next year. I would figure if a team is using 4 RBs, FFers want the starter and stay away otherwise. Tough situation for FF

 
Bri said:
Bradshaw gets to run against a defense that tried to stop a very fast 265-70 pound man. He's good but I'm not sure he's very good as I figure there's a slew of NFL RBs that could do well running against a D that Jacobs wore down.
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what??do you have any idea what you're talking about?
 
Bri said:
The Gray Hood said:
Bri said:
Bradshaw gets to run against a defense that tried to stop a very fast 265-70 pound man. He's good but I'm not sure he's very good as I figure there's a slew of NFL RBs that could do well running against a D that Jacobs wore down.
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what??do you have any idea what you're talking about?
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not much to reply to here
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then I'll help you...you stated "a D that Jacobs wore down". when did he do that last week? was it on the first series of the game when he had 9 touches for 32 yards? of course Bradshaw finished that drive with a 1 yd touchdown run. i'm sure the D was just tired because of Jacobs. those 9 touches wore the D down so much that on the next 2 Giant's series Bradshaw was able to get 115 yards and a TD on 5 touches. good thing Jacobs was there to get that D good and tired on that first series.seriously though, we all understand that Jacobs has a very important role on the offense. it is just that when someone tries to say that Bradshaw was effective just because the D was tired it makes them look like they haven't been following the games.
 
yeah, and not only was it 9 touches, but 9 different players were in on tackles on those touches.

so, I guess he's basically like chuck norris --- one touch is all it takes.

:lmao: :lmao:

 
LTsharks said:
Bri said:
The Gray Hood said:
Bri said:
Bradshaw gets to run against a defense that tried to stop a very fast 265-70 pound man. He's good but I'm not sure he's very good as I figure there's a slew of NFL RBs that could do well running against a D that Jacobs wore down.
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what??do you have any idea what you're talking about?
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not much to reply to here
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then I'll help you...you stated "a D that Jacobs wore down". when did he do that last week? was it on the first series of the game when he had 9 touches for 32 yards? of course Bradshaw finished that drive with a 1 yd touchdown run. i'm sure the D was just tired because of Jacobs. those 9 touches wore the D down so much that on the next 2 Giant's series Bradshaw was able to get 115 yards and a TD on 5 touches. good thing Jacobs was there to get that D good and tired on that first series.seriously though, we all understand that Jacobs has a very important role on the offense. it is just that when someone tries to say that Bradshaw was effective just because the D was tired it makes them look like they haven't been following the games.
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I didn't say the sole reason was Jacobs wears down a D....If you only want to discuss last week and not the season to date or Bradshaw's career=Jacobs had two goalline carries straight ahead and then Bradshaw scored. Did you forget that?The Giants have struggled in the redzone ever since Plax got hurt last season. Jacobs is flat out predictable.Barden(in 2010?) will help. IIRC Beckum lined up wide in redzone last week. Darcy has been in backfield. They're trying for matchups or...they look like they are trying to improve their red zone work. Nicks seems to be helping.Gotta figure a D is thinking Bradshaw is not predictably running up the gut but might run wide or catch a quick pass or pitch. Giants have to get those safeties and LBs to be concerned with TEs and WRs and, of course, a wider field. Bradshaw will help with that but like Jacobs he'll do far better at GL if they establish other threats.
 
so far my contribution is observable reality while yours is made up nonsense from inside your head.

I guess 'contribution' means different things to different people.

 
LTsharks said:
Bri said:
The Gray Hood said:
Bri said:
Bradshaw gets to run against a defense that tried to stop a very fast 265-70 pound man. He's good but I'm not sure he's very good as I figure there's a slew of NFL RBs that could do well running against a D that Jacobs wore down.
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what??do you have any idea what you're talking about?
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not much to reply to here
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then I'll help you...you stated "a D that Jacobs wore down". when did he do that last week? was it on the first series of the game when he had 9 touches for 32 yards? of course Bradshaw finished that drive with a 1 yd touchdown run. i'm sure the D was just tired because of Jacobs. those 9 touches wore the D down so much that on the next 2 Giant's series Bradshaw was able to get 115 yards and a TD on 5 touches. good thing Jacobs was there to get that D good and tired on that first series.seriously though, we all understand that Jacobs has a very important role on the offense. it is just that when someone tries to say that Bradshaw was effective just because the D was tired it makes them look like they haven't been following the games.
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:hifive: Going back to the 2007 Super Bowl run it was the same way. Jacobs and Bradshaw would split series throughout the game vs the same defense and Bradshaw looked better back then. This is the best way to evaluate talent and determine who is better- playoff battles vs the same defense. I get tired of the Jacobs wore them down nonsense, it helps to have a contrast but not like people seem to think.IMO the Giants should use Bradshaw/Jacobs like they did with Tiki/Jacobs before Tiki retired.
 
dmac37 said:
IMO the Giants should use Bradshaw/Jacobs like they did with Tiki/Jacobs before Tiki retired.
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:goodposting: oh, if only......you think they had jacobs closing that game down because of bradshaw's foot?even though he still got his two thirds of the carries, it seemed a little encouraging that bradshaw was used primarily in the first half with jacobs on mop detail.although, I expect we'll still see the same 2:1 ratio going fwd.
 
dmac37 said:
Going back to the 2007 Super Bowl run it was the same way. Jacobs and Bradshaw would split series throughout the game vs the same defense and Bradshaw looked better back then. This is the best way to evaluate talent and determine who is better- playoff battles vs the same defense. I get tired of the Jacobs wore them down nonsense, it helps to have a contrast but not like people seem to think.IMO the Giants should use Bradshaw/Jacobs like they did with Tiki/Jacobs before Tiki retired.
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ignore a season? a player in Ward?It was not that way with Jacobs and Tiki, Ward played then
 
Bri said:
dmac37 said:
Going back to the 2007 Super Bowl run it was the same way. Jacobs and Bradshaw would split series throughout the game vs the same defense and Bradshaw looked better back then. This is the best way to evaluate talent and determine who is better- playoff battles vs the same defense. I get tired of the Jacobs wore them down nonsense, it helps to have a contrast but not like people seem to think.IMO the Giants should use Bradshaw/Jacobs like they did with Tiki/Jacobs before Tiki retired.
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ignore a season? a player in Ward?It was not that way with Jacobs and Tiki, Ward played then
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I was refering to 2006- carries were around 300 for Tiki to Jacobs 100, no Ward.
 
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dmac37 said:
Bri said:
dmac37 said:
Going back to the 2007 Super Bowl run it was the same way. Jacobs and Bradshaw would split series throughout the game vs the same defense and Bradshaw looked better back then. This is the best way to evaluate talent and determine who is better- playoff battles vs the same defense. I get tired of the Jacobs wore them down nonsense, it helps to have a contrast but not like people seem to think.IMO the Giants should use Bradshaw/Jacobs like they did with Tiki/Jacobs before Tiki retired.
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ignore a season? a player in Ward?It was not that way with Jacobs and Tiki, Ward played then
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I was refering to 2006- carries were around 300 for Tiki to Jacobs 100, no Ward.
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still you're ignoring last year when they led the NFL in rushing OR 2007 when Bradshaw did little in reg season or...any other year with Tiki-Jacobs-WardWhy ignore when they were best in NFL?
 
Bri said:
dmac37 said:
Bri said:
dmac37 said:
Going back to the 2007 Super Bowl run it was the same way. Jacobs and Bradshaw would split series throughout the game vs the same defense and Bradshaw looked better back then. This is the best way to evaluate talent and determine who is better- playoff battles vs the same defense. I get tired of the Jacobs wore them down nonsense, it helps to have a contrast but not like people seem to think.

IMO the Giants should use Bradshaw/Jacobs like they did with Tiki/Jacobs before Tiki retired.
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ignore a season? a player in Ward?It was not that way with Jacobs and Tiki, Ward played then
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I was refering to 2006- carries were around 300 for Tiki to Jacobs 100, no Ward.
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still you're ignoring last year when they led the NFL in rushing OR 2007 when Bradshaw did little in reg season or...any other year with Tiki-Jacobs-WardWhy ignore when they were best in NFL?
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Just my opinion with the RB's they have right now, I would go a 65/35 type split with Bradshaw 65%. I can only go by what I've seen and Bradshaw seems to be the better more complete RB. Jacobs certainly serves a purpose as the bruising RB.The Giants are not as run heavy as they used to be so Bradshaw should be able to handle around 60/65% of the load.

 
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dmac37 said:
Bri said:
dmac37 said:
Bri said:
dmac37 said:
Going back to the 2007 Super Bowl run it was the same way. Jacobs and Bradshaw would split series throughout the game vs the same defense and Bradshaw looked better back then. This is the best way to evaluate talent and determine who is better- playoff battles vs the same defense. I get tired of the Jacobs wore them down nonsense, it helps to have a contrast but not like people seem to think.

IMO the Giants should use Bradshaw/Jacobs like they did with Tiki/Jacobs before Tiki retired.
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ignore a season? a player in Ward?It was not that way with Jacobs and Tiki, Ward played then
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I was refering to 2006- carries were around 300 for Tiki to Jacobs 100, no Ward.
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still you're ignoring last year when they led the NFL in rushing OR 2007 when Bradshaw did little in reg season or...any other year with Tiki-Jacobs-WardWhy ignore when they were best in NFL?
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Just my opinion with the RB's they have right now, I would go a 65/35 type split with Bradshaw 65%. I can only go by what I've seen and Bradshaw seems to be the better more complete RB. Jacobs certainly serves a purpose as the bruising RB.The Giants are not as run heavy as they used to be so Bradshaw should be able to handle around 60/65% of the load.
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They each have roles. Bradshaw didn't get many passes last year. IIRC he and Jacobs only had 18 catches combined yet Ward had a ton. Jacobs can catch and has done so plenty in training camp each year and it's something that irks me. Why not throw the screen and get his big body against a small DB up the sideline. I guess it's just each filling roles again so....

 
dmac37 said:
Just my opinion with the RB's they have right now, I would go a 65/35 type split with Bradshaw 65%.
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65 is too high. That's on the same level as the average work horse starter. Their whole point is that fresh legs AND their great o-line is too much for any D. Coughlin has always used more than one RB. Most you could hope for (IMO) is 50%.I don't think it happens, it's just look at other teams and 65% is high

 
Bri said:
dmac37 said:
Just my opinion with the RB's they have right now, I would go a 65/35 type split with Bradshaw 65%.
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65 is too high. That's on the same level as the average work horse starter. Their whole point is that fresh legs AND their great o-line is too much for any D. Coughlin has always used more than one RB. Most you could hope for (IMO) is 50%.I don't think it happens, it's just look at other teams and 65% is high
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what's jacobs been getting?
 
The Gray Hood said:
Bri said:
dmac37 said:
Just my opinion with the RB's they have right now, I would go a 65/35 type split with Bradshaw 65%.
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65 is too high. That's on the same level as the average work horse starter. Their whole point is that fresh legs AND their great o-line is too much for any D. Coughlin has always used more than one RB. Most you could hope for (IMO) is 50%.I don't think it happens, it's just look at other teams and 65% is high
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what's jacobs been getting?
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Including receptions (neglible for both), its 61.9-38.1 Jacobs.Rushing attempts only, its 63.3-36.7 Jacobs.

 
BobbyLayne said:
The Gray Hood said:
Bri said:
dmac37 said:
Just my opinion with the RB's they have right now, I would go a 65/35 type split with Bradshaw 65%.
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65 is too high. That's on the same level as the average work horse starter. Their whole point is that fresh legs AND their great o-line is too much for any D. Coughlin has always used more than one RB. Most you could hope for (IMO) is 50%.I don't think it happens, it's just look at other teams and 65% is high
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what's jacobs been getting?
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Including receptions (neglible for both), its 61.9-38.1 Jacobs.Rushing attempts only, its 63.3-36.7 Jacobs.
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carries, it's 55% for Jacobs 100 of 180 team carries
 
Bri said:
BobbyLayne said:
The Gray Hood said:
Bri said:
dmac37 said:
Just my opinion with the RB's they have right now, I would go a 65/35 type split with Bradshaw 65%.
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65 is too high. That's on the same level as the average work horse starter. Their whole point is that fresh legs AND their great o-line is too much for any D. Coughlin has always used more than one RB. Most you could hope for (IMO) is 50%.I don't think it happens, it's just look at other teams and 65% is high
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what's jacobs been getting?
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Including receptions (neglible for both), its 61.9-38.1 Jacobs.Rushing attempts only, its 63.3-36.7 Jacobs.
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carries, it's 55% for Jacobs 100 of 180 team carries
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you are counting qb runs. :mellow:

 
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