Big bump for Schaub vs Indy? (1 Viewer)

Does this bump Schaub up to a clear starter (ie top 6 QB) vs Indy this week? Makes me feel better about starting him at least.

Schaub to face weakened Colts DBs: With the Colts losing CB Marlin Jackson and SS Bob Sanders for the season as well as starting CB Kelvin Hayden for a month, Texans QB Matt Schaub might be in line to have a better than expected game against Indy's backups in Week 9. Schaub was mediocre in his only meeting with the Colts in his career (236 yards, one TD, two INTs in early 2007), but he played them without WR Andre Johnson. Now he'll get them with Johnson, but without tight end Owen Daniels, who is lost for the season himself with a torn ACL.

(Updated 11/06/2009).

Two words..... Kris Brown

Could have a huge day if HOU can't get in the end zone.

Hayden is the biggest loss. Jackson and Sanders have barely played this season. The big problem is Tim Jennings at nickel (he's not very good), and TJ Rushing (punt returning specialist) at dime.

The real problem is that the Colts literally can't have another injury in the secondary or else it will get ugly. They might hold up with the Bethea/Bullitt/Powers/Lacey starting lineup - because that has basically been the starting lineup more often than not this season.

I'm not sure whether it is a BIG bump for Schaub, but I think he gets a little bump on the Bob Sanders news today. Jackson wasn't playing much anyway, so the two rookie CBs have been seeing most of the action this year. I expect Kubiak to rotate RBs in that new RBBC which will somewhat frustrate the momentum of the ground game. I would like to say that I think Slaton will get most of the work, but Kubiak's version of the Shanahannigans is still a mystery.

This news is enough for me to put Schaub back in my lineup over McNabb, however.

And who will be covering the Indy receivers? Who will be rushing Peyton? Houston DL hasn't shown me much especially in a big spot.

If I had better options, I would leave Schaub on the bench. Sure it MIGHT be a shot out but will both teams have REAL bullets?

I know the Colts offensive will be ready and be playing with a lead; there DL will get plenty of pressure on Schaub so average DBs play much better. It is the same formula they have used for 10 years. Now if you told me that Freeney or Mathis where out different story...

It's over: SS Sanders goes on injured reserve

Colts placed SS Bob Sanders on injured reserve with a torn left biceps, ending his season.

His season ends with three tackles and a pick in just two appearances. Beat reporter Philip B. Wilson speculates that the Colts will cut their losses with Sanders in the offseason to free up salary. 29 in February, Sanders is scheduled to make $2.275 million in 2010. The 2007 Defensive POY has played in just 27 of a possible 64 games over the last four seasons. Nov. 6 - 3:51 pm et

Source: Indianapolis Star

I have a feeling this will be a low scoring game

Colts pass D is more a reflection of their pass rush up front and cover 2 scheme in the back. I don't think losing those players will have much of an impact considering that none of them have played that much this year anyway.

Losing Daniels and having Slaton get fewer snaps is more of a downgrade for Schaub than any bump he'd get from the Colts secondary injuries.

Tree Shaker said:

I'm not sure whether it is a BIG bump for Schaub, but I think he gets a little bump on the Bob Sanders news today. Jackson wasn't playing much anyway, so the two rookie CBs have been seeing most of the action this year. I expect Kubiak to rotate RBs in that new RBBC which will somewhat frustrate the momentum of the ground game. I would like to say that I think Slaton will get most of the work, but Kubiak's version of the Shanahannigans is still a mystery.

This news is enough for me to put Schaub back in my lineup over McNabb, however.

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i'm a little surprised that people are frustrated with kubiak. slaton has fumbled nearly every game this season. that's pathetic. and at the halfway point of a season, a rb should expect to be benched. anybody that was playing slaton after his fourth fumble in the fourth game should have been crossing their fingers. After his sixth fumble, the writing was on the wall.

I've been struggling with the Schaub vs. Hasselbeck start each week. Making the wrong decision every week. I guess I'll go with Schaub now that I know this information. Of course Hass will blow up.

Stingdiddy said:

I've been struggling with the Schaub vs. Hasselbeck start each week. Making the wrong decision every week. I guess I'll go with Schaub now that I know this information. Of course Hass will blow up.

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Schaub is the #1 qb in many leagues. Matt has missed a couple games. How and why are you making the wrong guess? Schaub should be in your lineup every single week.

Stingdiddy said:

I've been struggling with the Schaub vs. Hasselbeck start each week. Making the wrong decision every week. I guess I'll go with Schaub now that I know this information. Of course Hass will blow up.

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me and you both. Ive been wrong every single time . I think i'm going to go with Hass this time. One of us will be right for once.

Tree Shaker said:

I'm not sure whether it is a BIG bump for Schaub, but I think he gets a little bump on the Bob Sanders news today. Jackson wasn't playing much anyway, so the two rookie CBs have been seeing most of the action this year. I expect Kubiak to rotate RBs in that new RBBC which will somewhat frustrate the momentum of the ground game. I would like to say that I think Slaton will get most of the work, but Kubiak's version of the Shanahannigans is still a mystery.This news is enough for me to put Schaub back in my lineup over McNabb, however.

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I'm still going w/McNabb...smell a passing shootout in Philly.

gethugefast1 said:

Tree Shaker said:

I'm not sure whether it is a BIG bump for Schaub, but I think he gets a little bump on the Bob Sanders news today. Jackson wasn't playing much anyway, so the two rookie CBs have been seeing most of the action this year. I expect Kubiak to rotate RBs in that new RBBC which will somewhat frustrate the momentum of the ground game. I would like to say that I think Slaton will get most of the work, but Kubiak's version of the Shanahannigans is still a mystery.This news is enough for me to put Schaub back in my lineup over McNabb, however.

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I'm still going w/McNabb...smell a passing shootout in Philly.

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Also starting McNabb. Division game at home makes me feel good about him.Related to the original post, I don't think it helps Schaub that much since as stated, the secondary they're trotting out has been the same one for a while.

Aaron Rudnicki said:

Colts pass D is more a reflection of their pass rush up front and cover 2 scheme in the back. I don't think losing those players will have much of an impact considering that none of them have played that much this year anyway.Losing Daniels and having Slaton get fewer snaps is more of a downgrade for Schaub than any bump he'd get from the Colts secondary injuries.

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Not expecting huge #s from Schaub this week.

Stingdiddy said:

I've been struggling with the Schaub vs. Hasselbeck start each week. Making the wrong decision every week. I guess I'll go with Schaub now that I know this information. Of course Hass will blow up.

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Wow.

Stingdiddy said:

I've been struggling with the Schaub vs. Hasselbeck start each week. Making the wrong decision every week. I guess I'll go with Schaub now that I know this information. Of course Hass will blow up.

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It's funny how many owners actually have this same duo. The two times I have sat Schaub in favor of Hasselbeck, Schaub has went for over 40 points. I've told myself to just lock in Schaub and not look back, but it's tough with the Lions coming up for Hass. Gotta stay with Schaub I think. Daniels is a loss, but I think Walter picks up the slack, and if they play 4 wide because of the loss of Daniels...then the nickel will be exposed.

I have the Roethlisberger and Schuab combo myself, and I still have no idea which one I'm starting.

Stingdiddy said:

I've been struggling with the Schaub vs. Hasselbeck start each week. Making the wrong decision every week. I guess I'll go with Schaub now that I know this information. Of course Hass will blow up.

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I feel your pain. Exact same situation for me and have almost picked wrong every week...so I had HBeck in this week until I saw the news about Indy's D losses. The other thing I thought was hoping Houston catching up vs. Seattle dominating and running out the clock.And have course the REAL answer is, nobody really knows no matter the analysis.

Indy's defense is having one of its best seasons and Sanders has not been around all that much. It is a little banged up, but I would not make it a huge upgrade. Of course Schaub doesn't have to be upgraded to be starting.

Trap Play said:

I have the Roethlisberger and Schuab combo myself, and I still have no idea which one I'm starting.

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I'm in the same boat and have Big Ben in right now...I'm sure I'll change 5 more times before kickoff (or 6 more?!?!).

Knobs said:

Stingdiddy said:

I've been struggling with the Schaub vs. Hasselbeck start each week. Making the wrong decision every week. I guess I'll go with Schaub now that I know this information. Of course Hass will blow up.

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Schaub is the #1 qb in many leagues. Matt has missed a couple games. How and why are you making the wrong guess? Schaub should be in your lineup every single week.

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Bolded Weeks I picked right btwn Hass and Schaub:Week 1... start Schaub--he sucked vs NYJ. Hass did well (25 pts).

Week 2... start Hass--he sucked/got hurt. Schaub Blew up 30+ pts

Week 3.. start Schaub (no choice Hass hurt). Schaub did really well

Week 4...start Schaub (no choice Hass hurt). Schaub sucked vs OAK

Week 5...start Schaub -- did ok. Hass blew up (36 pts)

Week 6... start Hass--he sucked/got hurt. Schaub blew up vs CIN (36 pts)

Week 7... start Schaub (no choice) he did ok.

Week 8... start Schaub--he sucked vs BUF. Hass did well (22 pts).

So--That's how I picked wrong almost every week but 2 where I had no choice w/Hass hurt--Starting Scaub every week would have gotten you 3 CRAPPO games out of 8... Unfortunately because I was unsure of Schaub to start the season I chased the points with Hass (who I thought would have a strong year as well) and blew the first two weeks at QB.... and again when Hass returned and blew up again and Schaub was coming off a SUCK game vs OAK... making two more weeks of crappo QB play. Then last week sticking with Schaub made it 5 weeks of sucky QB play out of 8.

If I'd picked right every week I would have had just 1 week of sucky QB play all season (week 4).

I have no confidence in Schaub vs good D's... he bombed vs NYJ, OAK, and last week vs BUF. Hass has killed vs weak D's at home and has DET rolling in. I'm sticking with Hass (so I agree--some of us will pick right if we split it amongst us).

You guys should not be swapping QBs like that at this point in the season. Schaubb is the better fantasy QB, hands down. You put him in every week and let statistics take care of the rest. Besides, playing matchups with QB is tough. Sometimes the biggest passing games come against the toughest opponents. Its more about the game plan that the coach decides to roll with, rather than the defense pass rank.

I'll give you an analogy. Lets say you are taking a multiple choice test and you don't know any of the answers because you stayed up all night playing Madden10 instead of studying. However, you have historic statistical data showing that the answer "C" is the correct answer more frequently than any other choice. Clearly, your best approach is the straight-line the answers and pick "C" for every one of them. You will guarantee that you miss some, but it will still give you the highest rate of correct answers in the long run. If you decide to over think the situation you might say to yourself, "There's no way that every answer is "C" so I am much better off by randomly choosing A,B,C or D for each individual question." So you fool yourself into some backwards logic and go for the wild ### guesses rather than choosing the answer that has the highest probability of being correct. In the long run you lose by taking this approach.

Typically, the best teams in fantasy followed this approach:

- In the early rounds of the draft, they picked reliable studs instead of the boom/bust studs

- In the mid to late rounds they got lucky on they educated sleeper picks. I say educated because once you have saturated yourself in research, it basically boils down to luck. You choose the sleepers with the best possible chance to break out and sit back and cross your fingers. The guy who chose Ray Rice over Leon Washington wasn't necessarily any smarter - he just got lucky. Most people who did their homework wanted both of those guys as value/sleeper picks.

- Once your studs for the current season are established, start them every week. This means Ray Rice doesn't get benched form here on out. This means Matt Schaubb never gets benched over Hassleback. This means that at this point in the season Cedric Benson gets the start over Slaton, even when he's playing the Ravens. Quit over thinking. If you find yourself missing your players big games you need to make yourself stop thinking and choose your starters based on FBG or Rotoworld rankings.

jobarules said:

Aaron Rudnicki said:

Colts pass D is more a reflection of their pass rush up front and cover 2 scheme in the back. I don't think losing those players will have much of an impact considering that none of them have played that much this year anyway.Losing Daniels and having Slaton get fewer snaps is more of a downgrade for Schaub than any bump he'd get from the Colts secondary injuries.

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Not expecting huge #s from Schaub this week.

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Agree, agree, agree, but Matt has been very good and healthy so far. A healthy AJ WILL go a long way. Matt should get in the endzone often, and put up great yardage.Dare I say in a shootout?

I know the OP was talking about Schaub, but as an Andre Johnson owner in a PPR league I think this is big news for AJ. He's now an extra week removed from the injury and will surely see plenty of targets again this week. He's had 3 games already this season with 14 or more targets and none of those were when Daniels was even out yet. So I'm thinking he'll get plenty of passes his way and think he's a top 5 WR in PPR, looking at at least 6-8 catches for 100+.

As for Schaub, I think the pressure up front will be more of a key for Schaub as Freeney will be in his face all day. I don't think the Colts injuires in the secondary are as big of a deal as everyone thinks. Bob Sanders is hurt so often does anyone really ever even notice when he is or isn't in the game from a QB standpoint?? Sanders is more known for being a run stuffer anyways. As for the other two guys, neither was on the field for very much of the game anyways.

Schaub will struggle more due to this being a road game and him seeing lots of pressure up front and forcing things cause they'll more tha likely play from behind.

I would bench Schaub but only if my #2 was a quality guy like Ben, Romo, Flacco, or McNabb. Don't get cute though and reach on a guy like Cutler, Garrard or Ryan over Schaub.

TOO LIGHT:

editor47 said:

Well gee golly gosh, he hasn't been that bad really. squeak.

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TOO HEAVY:

editor47 said:

i see why you have picked wrong every week ... you are an idiot.

week 4 - "schaub sucked vs. oak" - uh, 11 for 22, 224, 1 TD, 1 INT. oh, texans cruise to win. that doensn't suck

week 5 - did ok - 35 for 50, 371, 2 TD, 1 INT

week 7 - did ok - 20 for 30, 264, 2 TD, 0 INT

week 8 - sucked - 25 for 34, 268, 0 TD, 2 INT.

so, in the four weeks he 'sucked' or 'did ok' in your opinion, he was actually very good in two, good in another, and OK in the fourth in the game the texans had in control at the half and had no reason to throw in the second half.

get a clue.

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footballsavvy said:

You guys should not be swapping QBs like that at this point in the season. Schaubb is the better fantasy QB, hands down. You put him in every week and let statistics take care of the rest. Besides, playing matchups with QB is tough. Sometimes the biggest passing games come against the toughest opponents. Its more about the game plan that the coach decides to roll with, rather than the defense pass rank. I'll give you an analogy. Lets say you are taking a multiple choice test and you don't know any of the answers because you stayed up all night playing Madden10 instead of studying. However, you have historic statistical data showing that the answer "C" is the correct answer more frequently than any other choice. Clearly, your best approach is the straight-line the answers and pick "C" for every one of them. You will guarantee that you miss some, but it will still give you the highest rate of correct answers in the long run. If you decide to over think the situation you might say to yourself, "There's no way that every answer is "C" so I am much better off by randomly choosing A,B,C or D for each individual question." So you fool yourself into some backwards logic and go for the wild ### guesses rather than choosing the answer that has the highest probability of being correct. In the long run you lose by taking this approach.Typically, the best teams in fantasy followed this approach:- In the early rounds of the draft, they picked reliable studs instead of the boom/bust studs- In the mid to late rounds they got lucky on they educated sleeper picks. I say educated because once you have saturated yourself in research, it basically boils down to luck. You choose the sleepers with the best possible chance to break out and sit back and cross your fingers. The guy who chose Ray Rice over Leon Washington wasn't necessarily any smarter - he just got lucky. Most people who did their homework wanted both of those guys as value/sleeper picks.- Once your studs for the current season are established, start them every week. This means Ray Rice doesn't get benched form here on out. This means Matt Schaubb never gets benched over Hassleback. This means that at this point in the season Cedric Benson gets the start over Slaton, even when he's playing the Ravens. Quit over thinking. If you find yourself missing your players big games you need to make yourself stop thinking and choose your starters based on FBG or Rotoworld rankings.

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I agree--typically I lock in 'studs' (who have off days--but in general perform well above average) and leave them there. I drafted Schaub and Hass thinking either could be a stud this year--but neither was a 'lock' to be a weekly start like Brady/Brees... At the start of the season it was tough to tell which was the stud--as Hass posted a solid game, got hurt for 3 weeks, posted a stud game coming back... had a bad game then was solid last week. Looking at the trends for Schaub--he struggled FFB wise vs very strong passing D's like NYJ, OAK and BUF (all of which have given up less than 1 passing TD per game). But Schaub did toast CIN and put up good numbers vs SF--who have allowed only 10 and 9 passing TD's, respectively. IND has given up just 3 TD's passing so far--best in the league, and lowest yards per attempt (and 5th lowest total passing yards).. add in the loss of Owen D for HOU too.... Its tempting to try and avoid a possible down week by Schaub if Hass is going to post stud numbers vs a horrendous D like DET who's given up 18 passing TD's...

ft_ball_fn said:

footballsavvy said:

You guys should not be swapping QBs like that at this point in the season. Schaubb is the better fantasy QB, hands down. You put him in every week and let statistics take care of the rest. Besides, playing matchups with QB is tough. Sometimes the biggest passing games come against the toughest opponents. Its more about the game plan that the coach decides to roll with, rather than the defense pass rank. I'll give you an analogy. Lets say you are taking a multiple choice test and you don't know any of the answers because you stayed up all night playing Madden10 instead of studying. However, you have historic statistical data showing that the answer "C" is the correct answer more frequently than any other choice. Clearly, your best approach is the straight-line the answers and pick "C" for every one of them. You will guarantee that you miss some, but it will still give you the highest rate of correct answers in the long run. If you decide to over think the situation you might say to yourself, "There's no way that every answer is "C" so I am much better off by randomly choosing A,B,C or D for each individual question." So you fool yourself into some backwards logic and go for the wild ### guesses rather than choosing the answer that has the highest probability of being correct. In the long run you lose by taking this approach.Typically, the best teams in fantasy followed this approach:- In the early rounds of the draft, they picked reliable studs instead of the boom/bust studs- In the mid to late rounds they got lucky on they educated sleeper picks. I say educated because once you have saturated yourself in research, it basically boils down to luck. You choose the sleepers with the best possible chance to break out and sit back and cross your fingers. The guy who chose Ray Rice over Leon Washington wasn't necessarily any smarter - he just got lucky. Most people who did their homework wanted both of those guys as value/sleeper picks.- Once your studs for the current season are established, start them every week. This means Ray Rice doesn't get benched form here on out. This means Matt Schaubb never gets benched over Hassleback. This means that at this point in the season Cedric Benson gets the start over Slaton, even when he's playing the Ravens. Quit over thinking. If you find yourself missing your players big games you need to make yourself stop thinking and choose your starters based on FBG or Rotoworld rankings.

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I agree--typically I lock in 'studs' (who have off days--but in general perform well above average) and leave them there. I drafted Schaub and Hass thinking either could be a stud this year--but neither was a 'lock' to be a weekly start like Brady/Brees... At the start of the season it was tough to tell which was the stud--as Hass posted a solid game, got hurt for 3 weeks, posted a stud game coming back... had a bad game then was solid last week. Looking at the trends for Schaub--he struggled FFB wise vs very strong passing D's like NYJ, OAK and BUF (all of which have given up less than 1 passing TD per game). But Schaub did toast CIN and put up good numbers vs SF--who have allowed only 10 and 9 passing TD's, respectively. IND has given up just 3 TD's passing so far--best in the league, and lowest yards per attempt (and 5th lowest total passing yards).. add in the loss of Owen D for HOU too.... Its tempting to try and avoid a possible down week by Schaub if Hass is going to post stud numbers vs a horrendous D like DET who's given up 18 passing TD's...

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Okay. Now imagine you have a Schaub/Garrard tandem...