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Jared Cook's value in PPR dynasty leagues (1 Viewer)

JohnnyU

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For the 2010 draft and assuming a 12 team league, I would say he's worth any 1st rd pick in the range of 1.08 - 1.12, and I wouldn't give him up for anything less than the 1.08. Also imo he's worth any future 1st rd pick. Some won't agree with me because he hasn't proven anything yet, but keep in mind Jermichael Finley hadn't proven anything yet either about this time last year. Cook may not even realize his full potential until 2011, but in dynasty leagues you have to act early. I truly believe those who offer a 2nd or two 2nds for Cook and are constantly turned down are going to miss the boat.

Dynasty leagues are about being proactive, not reactive. By then it's usually too late.

 
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For the 2010 draft and assuming a 12 team league, I would say he's worth any 1st rd pick in the range of 1.08 - 1.12, and I wouldn't give him up for anything less than the 1.08. Also imo he's worth any future 1st rd pick. Some won't agree with me because he hasn't proven anything yet, but keep in mind Jermichael Finley hadn't proven anything yet either about this time last year. Cook may not even realize his full potential until 2011, but in dynasty leagues you have to act early. I truly believe those who offer a 2nd or two 2nds for Cook and are constantly turned down are going to miss the boat. Dynasty leagues are about being proactive, not reactive. By then it's usually too late.
If Scaife re-signs, I think that price is way too high. I realize he is athletically gifted, but so are other tight ends that will be rookies. Scaife re-signing may indicate Cook is not ready for prime time. If Scaife remains in Tenn, I would put Cook's value at mid-to-late 2nd round since that is where equally talented rookies will be selected ... this this tight end class is talented and gifted.
 
Here is one reaction I got on Cook. What this guy doesn't seem to know is that he probably can't buy Cook for a 1st by the time he's dwelling in Finley land.

"Sorry, I don't buy players at their projected worth. If I project him to be worth a future 1st and can get him for less then I'll do so. If he becomes worth a 1st and I want to get him, then I'll offer it up when he finally hits that value. If you want to keep him at that point, then so be it."

 
For the 2010 draft and assuming a 12 team league, I would say he's worth any 1st rd pick in the range of 1.08 - 1.12, and I wouldn't give him up for anything less than the 1.08. Also imo he's worth any future 1st rd pick. Some won't agree with me because he hasn't proven anything yet, but keep in mind Jermichael Finley hadn't proven anything yet either about this time last year. Cook may not even realize his full potential until 2011, but in dynasty leagues you have to act early. I truly believe those who offer a 2nd or two 2nds for Cook and are constantly turned down are going to miss the boat. Dynasty leagues are about being proactive, not reactive. By then it's usually too late.
If Scaife re-signs, I think that price is way too high. I realize he is athletically gifted, but so are other tight ends that will be rookies. Scaife re-signing may indicate Cook is not ready for prime time. If Scaife remains in Tenn, I would put Cook's value at mid-to-late 2nd round since that is where equally talented rookies will be selected ... this this tight end class is talented and gifted.
You also make my point. By valuing Cook at mid-to-late 2nd you're never going to get him. Part of what I mean by being proactive is sometimes giving a little more early to get a lot more back later. I don't think there are too many people that don't think Cook will be a stud.
 
Here is one reaction I got on Cook. What this guy doesn't seem to know is that he probably can't buy Cook for a 1st by the time he's dwelling in Finley land."Sorry, I don't buy players at their projected worth. If I project him to be worth a future 1st and can get him for less then I'll do so. If he becomes worth a 1st and I want to get him, then I'll offer it up when he finally hits that value. If you want to keep him at that point, then so be it."
I totally agree with the other owner. Most owners do not buy players at the price up their full upside. And, comparing Cook and Finley is probably not fair at this time considering the two offenses.
 
Here is one reaction I got on Cook. What this guy doesn't seem to know is that he probably can't buy Cook for a 1st by the time he's dwelling in Finley land."Sorry, I don't buy players at their projected worth. If I project him to be worth a future 1st and can get him for less then I'll do so. If he becomes worth a 1st and I want to get him, then I'll offer it up when he finally hits that value. If you want to keep him at that point, then so be it."
"This guy" does seem to know that he can't buy him for a 1st at that time...........from you.You want to expect to be paid for POTENTIAL value, then that's fine. If you can get it, great for you. If you're so sure he's going to hit that potential, then why are you selling "low" to begin with? Wait until he's dwelling in Finley land if that's the case.
 
Here is one reaction I got on Cook. What this guy doesn't seem to know is that he probably can't buy Cook for a 1st by the time he's dwelling in Finley land."Sorry, I don't buy players at their projected worth. If I project him to be worth a future 1st and can get him for less then I'll do so. If he becomes worth a 1st and I want to get him, then I'll offer it up when he finally hits that value. If you want to keep him at that point, then so be it."
I totally agree with the other owner. Most owners do not buy players at the price up their full upside. And, comparing Cook and Finley is probably not fair at this time considering the two offenses.
We will see I guess. Yes, I'm over valuing Cook at the present, but we both know what I'm talking about :lmao:
 
For the 2010 draft and assuming a 12 team league, I would say he's worth any 1st rd pick in the range of 1.08 - 1.12, and I wouldn't give him up for anything less than the 1.08. Also imo he's worth any future 1st rd pick. Some won't agree with me because he hasn't proven anything yet, but keep in mind Jermichael Finley hadn't proven anything yet either about this time last year. Cook may not even realize his full potential until 2011, but in dynasty leagues you have to act early. I truly believe those who offer a 2nd or two 2nds for Cook and are constantly turned down are going to miss the boat. Dynasty leagues are about being proactive, not reactive. By then it's usually too late.
If Scaife re-signs, I think that price is way too high. I realize he is athletically gifted, but so are other tight ends that will be rookies. Scaife re-signing may indicate Cook is not ready for prime time. If Scaife remains in Tenn, I would put Cook's value at mid-to-late 2nd round since that is where equally talented rookies will be selected ... this this tight end class is talented and gifted.
You also make my point. By valuing Cook at mid-to-late 2nd you're never going to get him. Part of what I mean by being proactive is sometimes giving a little more early to get a lot more back later. I don't think there are too many people that don't think Cook will be a stud.
so, you are saying the majority of the dynasty owners that think Cook will be a stud? I doubt that. What I do believe is that many think he COULD develop into a very good tight end. But, those two statements are very different
 
Here is one reaction I got on Cook. What this guy doesn't seem to know is that he probably can't buy Cook for a 1st by the time he's dwelling in Finley land."Sorry, I don't buy players at their projected worth. If I project him to be worth a future 1st and can get him for less then I'll do so. If he becomes worth a 1st and I want to get him, then I'll offer it up when he finally hits that value. If you want to keep him at that point, then so be it."
"This guy" does seem to know that he can't buy him for a 1st at that time...........from you.You want to expect to be paid for POTENTIAL value, then that's fine. If you can get it, great for you. If you're so sure he's going to hit that potential, then why are you selling "low" to begin with? Wait until he's dwelling in Finley land if that's the case.
Since you're that guy I was referring to, I'll answer your last question. I also own Dallas Clark, Finley, Martellus Bennett, Jared Cook, and Dave Thomas. I thought I would deversify a little bit.
 
For the 2010 draft and assuming a 12 team league, I would say he's worth any 1st rd pick in the range of 1.08 - 1.12, and I wouldn't give him up for anything less than the 1.08. Also imo he's worth any future 1st rd pick. Some won't agree with me because he hasn't proven anything yet, but keep in mind Jermichael Finley hadn't proven anything yet either about this time last year. Cook may not even realize his full potential until 2011, but in dynasty leagues you have to act early. I truly believe those who offer a 2nd or two 2nds for Cook and are constantly turned down are going to miss the boat. Dynasty leagues are about being proactive, not reactive. By then it's usually too late.
If Scaife re-signs, I think that price is way too high. I realize he is athletically gifted, but so are other tight ends that will be rookies. Scaife re-signing may indicate Cook is not ready for prime time. If Scaife remains in Tenn, I would put Cook's value at mid-to-late 2nd round since that is where equally talented rookies will be selected ... this this tight end class is talented and gifted.
You also make my point. By valuing Cook at mid-to-late 2nd you're never going to get him. Part of what I mean by being proactive is sometimes giving a little more early to get a lot more back later. I don't think there are too many people that don't think Cook will be a stud.
so, you are saying the majority of the dynasty owners that think Cook will be a stud? I doubt that. What I do believe is that many think he COULD develop into a very good tight end. But, those two statements are very different
Yes, I've read enough at FBGs to believe most posters here believe he will be a stud.
 
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(Rotoworld) According to the Nashville City Paper, the Titans are expected to place a restricted tender on free agent Bo Scaife, even at the cost of $4.9 million. Analysis: Since Scaife was given the franchise tender last season at $4.46M, the Titans have to pay at least 110 percent of that salary this season. A pedestrian pass-catcher with little in the way of playmaking ability, Scaife isn't worth the price tag. If the Titans do keep him, it's an admission that Jared Cook isn't ready for a major role.

They placed a 1st round tender on Scaife. Fisher was quoted as saying that he expected Cook to play a bigger role this year...but I think actions speak louder than words here. As a Titans fan I want to see him blow up, but we drafted another TE that had combine measureables that never panned out. I'm having visions of Ben Troupe.

 
Yes Johnny, you are overvalueing him

So let's get this straight.

You want a #1 one for Cook but wouldn't give up a #2 for Forte?

So you wouldn't trade Forte for Cook straight up then.......that's crazy talk

 
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Here is one reaction I got on Cook. What this guy doesn't seem to know is that he probably can't buy Cook for a 1st by the time he's dwelling in Finley land."Sorry, I don't buy players at their projected worth. If I project him to be worth a future 1st and can get him for less then I'll do so. If he becomes worth a 1st and I want to get him, then I'll offer it up when he finally hits that value. If you want to keep him at that point, then so be it."
What you may not understand (although I'm sure you do) is that making a habit of buying players ahead of time but paying full price for the potential is a sure-fire recipe to fail. If you're right, you still paid almost full price by paying more than current value. If you're wrong, well you just overpaid for a guy that never realized his full potential. So, coming here and posting that someone is foolish for not subscribing to the above is like calling someone foolish for not being foolish. I understand you want to get maximum value for your pieces and if you can get another owner to subscribe to that and get what you want, congratulations. But don't start calling others out for not going along with inflated price.Owner A: "You'd be a fool to not take the deal I'm offering you. It's a GREAT DEAL!!"Owner B: "Then why are you offering it?"
 
Here is one reaction I got on Cook. What this guy doesn't seem to know is that he probably can't buy Cook for a 1st by the time he's dwelling in Finley land."Sorry, I don't buy players at their projected worth. If I project him to be worth a future 1st and can get him for less then I'll do so. If he becomes worth a 1st and I want to get him, then I'll offer it up when he finally hits that value. If you want to keep him at that point, then so be it."
What you may not understand (although I'm sure you do) is that making a habit of buying players ahead of time but paying full price for the potential is a sure-fire recipe to fail. If you're right, you still paid almost full price by paying more than current value. If you're wrong, well you just overpaid for a guy that never realized his full potential. So, coming here and posting that someone is foolish for not subscribing to the above is like calling someone foolish for not being foolish. I understand you want to get maximum value for your pieces and if you can get another owner to subscribe to that and get what you want, congratulations. But don't start calling others out for not going along with inflated price.Owner A: "You'd be a fool to not take the deal I'm offering you. It's a GREAT DEAL!!"Owner B: "Then why are you offering it?"
Fantasy football isn't ALWAYS about buying low. Sometimes it's about getting the player, period. I win a lot and I don't always feel the need to buy low all the time. Yes, I still like to buy low like everyone else, but sometimes I go after what I want.
 
Yes Johnny, you are overvalueing himSo let's get this straight.You want a #1 one for Cook but wouldn't give up a #2 for Forte?So you wouldn't trade Forte for Cook straight up then.......that's crazy talk
Hell no I wouldn't take Forte for Cook, especially in a PPR league or a 1.5 PPR league which I also play in.
 
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For the 2010 draft and assuming a 12 team league, I would say he's worth any 1st rd pick in the range of 1.08 - 1.12, and I wouldn't give him up for anything less than the 1.08. Also imo he's worth any future 1st rd pick. Some won't agree with me because he hasn't proven anything yet, but keep in mind Jermichael Finley hadn't proven anything yet either about this time last year. Cook may not even realize his full potential until 2011, but in dynasty leagues you have to act early. I truly believe those who offer a 2nd or two 2nds for Cook and are constantly turned down are going to miss the boat. Dynasty leagues are about being proactive, not reactive. By then it's usually too late.
If Scaife re-signs, I think that price is way too high. I realize he is athletically gifted, but so are other tight ends that will be rookies. Scaife re-signing may indicate Cook is not ready for prime time. If Scaife remains in Tenn, I would put Cook's value at mid-to-late 2nd round since that is where equally talented rookies will be selected ... this this tight end class is talented and gifted.
You also make my point. By valuing Cook at mid-to-late 2nd you're never going to get him. Part of what I mean by being proactive is sometimes giving a little more early to get a lot more back later. I don't think there are too many people that don't think Cook will be a stud.
so, you are saying the majority of the dynasty owners that think Cook will be a stud? I doubt that. What I do believe is that many think he COULD develop into a very good tight end. But, those two statements are very different
Yes, I've read enough at FBGs to believe most posters here believe he will be a stud.
I disagree strongly with this. The majority on this board do not think he will be a Top 6 fantasy tight end (my definition of stud). If Witten, Gates, Clark, Finley, and VDavis are the top five, then I highly doubt the majority of the Footballguys think Cook is above all of the rest of the dynasty tight ends.
 
(Rotoworld) According to the Nashville City Paper, the Titans are expected to place a restricted tender on free agent Bo Scaife, even at the cost of $4.9 million. Analysis: Since Scaife was given the franchise tender last season at $4.46M, the Titans have to pay at least 110 percent of that salary this season. A pedestrian pass-catcher with little in the way of playmaking ability, Scaife isn't worth the price tag. If the Titans do keep him, it's an admission that Jared Cook isn't ready for a major role.They placed a 1st round tender on Scaife. Fisher was quoted as saying that he expected Cook to play a bigger role this year...but I think actions speak louder than words here. As a Titans fan I want to see him blow up, but we drafted another TE that had combine measureables that never panned out. I'm having visions of Ben Troupe.
I assume Johnny saw this article, too, and is why he is selling ......
 
Here is one reaction I got on Cook. What this guy doesn't seem to know is that he probably can't buy Cook for a 1st by the time he's dwelling in Finley land."Sorry, I don't buy players at their projected worth. If I project him to be worth a future 1st and can get him for less then I'll do so. If he becomes worth a 1st and I want to get him, then I'll offer it up when he finally hits that value. If you want to keep him at that point, then so be it."
"This guy" does seem to know that he can't buy him for a 1st at that time...........from you.You want to expect to be paid for POTENTIAL value, then that's fine. If you can get it, great for you. If you're so sure he's going to hit that potential, then why are you selling "low" to begin with? Wait until he's dwelling in Finley land if that's the case.
all rookie picks are "potential value" though. if cook becomes finley youre not going to get him for the 1.12. THAT'S why you go after him beforehand. i'm not sayin' i WOULD pay the 1.12 for him necessarily, but i took him at pick 30 last year, and he had some positive buzz in camp. i certainly won't wait for him to pop and then give him to YOU for another lottery ticket at the end of the first. guys who chase draft picks always end up with more draft picks. guys who get players win championships.
 
Here is one reaction I got on Cook. What this guy doesn't seem to know is that he probably can't buy Cook for a 1st by the time he's dwelling in Finley land."Sorry, I don't buy players at their projected worth. If I project him to be worth a future 1st and can get him for less then I'll do so. If he becomes worth a 1st and I want to get him, then I'll offer it up when he finally hits that value. If you want to keep him at that point, then so be it."
What you may not understand (although I'm sure you do) is that making a habit of buying players ahead of time but paying full price for the potential is a sure-fire recipe to fail. If you're right, you still paid almost full price by paying more than current value. If you're wrong, well you just overpaid for a guy that never realized his full potential. So, coming here and posting that someone is foolish for not subscribing to the above is like calling someone foolish for not being foolish. I understand you want to get maximum value for your pieces and if you can get another owner to subscribe to that and get what you want, congratulations. But don't start calling others out for not going along with inflated price.Owner A: "You'd be a fool to not take the deal I'm offering you. It's a GREAT DEAL!!"Owner B: "Then why are you offering it?"
Fantasy football isn't ALWAYS about buying low. Sometimes it's about getting the player, period. I win a lot and I don't always feel the need to buy low all the time. Yes, I still like to buy low like everyone else, but sometimes I go after what I want.
Have you considered that not everyone is that interested in buying Cook? That maybe not everyone believes he's this sure-fire uber-stud in the making that you're painting him to be? I've gone out of my way to acquire players as well even if it meant overpaying. I know the strategy. Believe it or not, others have played fantasy football before too and actually have a clue of what they're doing. You're not the only one.You may be 100% right on Cook. I'm not denying he has the potential to get there. But he's not someone I feel compelled to overpay for AT ALL. And if I'm wrong, I won't lose a wink of sleep over it. He wouldn't be the first guy to break out that I missed on and he won't be the last.
 
(Rotoworld) According to the Nashville City Paper, the Titans are expected to place a restricted tender on free agent Bo Scaife, even at the cost of $4.9 million. Analysis: Since Scaife was given the franchise tender last season at $4.46M, the Titans have to pay at least 110 percent of that salary this season. A pedestrian pass-catcher with little in the way of playmaking ability, Scaife isn't worth the price tag. If the Titans do keep him, it's an admission that Jared Cook isn't ready for a major role.They placed a 1st round tender on Scaife. Fisher was quoted as saying that he expected Cook to play a bigger role this year...but I think actions speak louder than words here. As a Titans fan I want to see him blow up, but we drafted another TE that had combine measureables that never panned out. I'm having visions of Ben Troupe.
I assume Johnny saw this article, too, and is why he is selling ......
Nope, not that at all. I'm happy to keep Cook. I just have a lot of quality TEs in the league in question. I posted them in an earlier post. I be damn if I'll trade him for anything less for the sake of another position.
 
(Rotoworld) According to the Nashville City Paper, the Titans are expected to place a restricted tender on free agent Bo Scaife, even at the cost of $4.9 million. Analysis: Since Scaife was given the franchise tender last season at $4.46M, the Titans have to pay at least 110 percent of that salary this season. A pedestrian pass-catcher with little in the way of playmaking ability, Scaife isn't worth the price tag. If the Titans do keep him, it's an admission that Jared Cook isn't ready for a major role.They placed a 1st round tender on Scaife. Fisher was quoted as saying that he expected Cook to play a bigger role this year...but I think actions speak louder than words here. As a Titans fan I want to see him blow up, but we drafted another TE that had combine measureables that never panned out. I'm having visions of Ben Troupe.
I assume Johnny saw this article, too, and is why he is selling ......
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Here is one reaction I got on Cook. What this guy doesn't seem to know is that he probably can't buy Cook for a 1st by the time he's dwelling in Finley land."Sorry, I don't buy players at their projected worth. If I project him to be worth a future 1st and can get him for less then I'll do so. If he becomes worth a 1st and I want to get him, then I'll offer it up when he finally hits that value. If you want to keep him at that point, then so be it."
What you may not understand (although I'm sure you do) is that making a habit of buying players ahead of time but paying full price for the potential is a sure-fire recipe to fail. If you're right, you still paid almost full price by paying more than current value. If you're wrong, well you just overpaid for a guy that never realized his full potential. So, coming here and posting that someone is foolish for not subscribing to the above is like calling someone foolish for not being foolish. I understand you want to get maximum value for your pieces and if you can get another owner to subscribe to that and get what you want, congratulations. But don't start calling others out for not going along with inflated price.Owner A: "You'd be a fool to not take the deal I'm offering you. It's a GREAT DEAL!!"Owner B: "Then why are you offering it?"
Fantasy football isn't ALWAYS about buying low. Sometimes it's about getting the player, period. I win a lot and I don't always feel the need to buy low all the time. Yes, I still like to buy low like everyone else, but sometimes I go after what I want.
Have you considered that not everyone is that interested in buying Cook? That maybe not everyone believes he's this sure-fire uber-stud in the making that you're painting him to be? I've gone out of my way to acquire players as well even if it meant overpaying. I know the strategy. Believe it or not, others have played fantasy football before too and actually have a clue of what they're doing. You're not the only one.You may be 100% right on Cook. I'm not denying he has the potential to get there. But he's not someone I feel compelled to overpay for AT ALL. And if I'm wrong, I won't lose a wink of sleep over it. He wouldn't be the first guy to break out that I missed on and he won't be the last.
Don't get defensive (agian). I respect your opinion on Cook or any other player for that matter. We've all missed on players, and hung on to players too long that we shouldn't have. That's what makes the world go around. It will be interesting to see who bumps this thread first in late 2010 or early 2011.
 
Here is one reaction I got on Cook. What this guy doesn't seem to know is that he probably can't buy Cook for a 1st by the time he's dwelling in Finley land."Sorry, I don't buy players at their projected worth. If I project him to be worth a future 1st and can get him for less then I'll do so. If he becomes worth a 1st and I want to get him, then I'll offer it up when he finally hits that value. If you want to keep him at that point, then so be it."
"This guy" does seem to know that he can't buy him for a 1st at that time...........from you.You want to expect to be paid for POTENTIAL value, then that's fine. If you can get it, great for you. If you're so sure he's going to hit that potential, then why are you selling "low" to begin with? Wait until he's dwelling in Finley land if that's the case.
all rookie picks are "potential value" though. if cook becomes finley youre not going to get him for the 1.12. THAT'S why you go after him beforehand. i'm not sayin' i WOULD pay the 1.12 for him necessarily, but i took him at pick 30 last year, and he had some positive buzz in camp. i certainly won't wait for him to pop and then give him to YOU for another lottery ticket at the end of the first. guys who chase draft picks always end up with more draft picks. guys who get players win championships.
This guy gets it.
 
I wouldn't part with a first round pick for Cook. Probably around mid 2nd round. He is a TE, so unless he is putting up Gates, Witten, Clark or Gonzalez type numbers he really isn't going to make a huge impact. Second, the TE position as a whole is as deep as it has ever been. Lastly, I don't see the potential for monster numbers in that offense without some significant changes. I like his potential quite a bit, but I think you are expecting too much in return for him. Also, I am as down on Forte as one can be and I would definitely take him straight up for Cook. But this is what makes fantasy football fun, that everyone can have such varying opinions on the value of a guy.

 
Yes Johnny, you are overvalueing himSo let's get this straight.You want a #1 one for Cook but wouldn't give up a #2 for Forte?So you wouldn't trade Forte for Cook straight up then.......that's crazy talk
Hell no I wouldn't take Forte for Cook, especially in a PPR league or a 1.5 PPR league which I also play in.
Wow, I might make an appointment at the hospital....you obviously have a blood clot to your brain....thinking jared cook....proving nothing.....is worth more than a player that has had 120 catches in two years.....oh yeah and rushed for about 2000 yards. lol
 
Here is one reaction I got on Cook. What this guy doesn't seem to know is that he probably can't buy Cook for a 1st by the time he's dwelling in Finley land."Sorry, I don't buy players at their projected worth. If I project him to be worth a future 1st and can get him for less then I'll do so. If he becomes worth a 1st and I want to get him, then I'll offer it up when he finally hits that value. If you want to keep him at that point, then so be it."
"This guy" does seem to know that he can't buy him for a 1st at that time...........from you.You want to expect to be paid for POTENTIAL value, then that's fine. If you can get it, great for you. If you're so sure he's going to hit that potential, then why are you selling "low" to begin with? Wait until he's dwelling in Finley land if that's the case.
all rookie picks are "potential value" though. if cook becomes finley youre not going to get him for the 1.12. THAT'S why you go after him beforehand. i'm not sayin' i WOULD pay the 1.12 for him necessarily, but i took him at pick 30 last year, and he had some positive buzz in camp. i certainly won't wait for him to pop and then give him to YOU for another lottery ticket at the end of the first. guys who chase draft picks always end up with more draft picks. guys who get players win championships.
This guy gets it.
He also paid a mid 3rd (assuming a 12 team league) while you took him over Stafford and Sanchez. We get it. You like, and have liked, Cook for a while. If Cook is a guy you are higher on than most, then that is cool ... we all have those players. But, at the same time, you cannot expect others to pay the price you think he is worth.
 
I wouldn't part with a first round pick for Cook. Probably around mid 2nd round. He is a TE, so unless he is putting up Gates, Witten, Clark or Gonzalez type numbers he really isn't going to make a huge impact.
So you think you're going to get Cook for a 1st if he's putting up Gates/Witten/Clark numbers and he's in his early 20s? Another example of reactive response, not proactive.
 
(Rotoworld) According to the Nashville City Paper, the Titans are expected to place a restricted tender on free agent Bo Scaife, even at the cost of $4.9 million. Analysis: Since Scaife was given the franchise tender last season at $4.46M, the Titans have to pay at least 110 percent of that salary this season. A pedestrian pass-catcher with little in the way of playmaking ability, Scaife isn't worth the price tag. If the Titans do keep him, it's an admission that Jared Cook isn't ready for a major role.They placed a 1st round tender on Scaife. Fisher was quoted as saying that he expected Cook to play a bigger role this year...but I think actions speak louder than words here. As a Titans fan I want to see him blow up, but we drafted another TE that had combine measureables that never panned out. I'm having visions of Ben Troupe.
I assume Johnny saw this article, too, and is why he is selling ......
Nope, not that at all. I'm happy to keep Cook. I just have a lot of quality TEs in the league in question. I posted them in an earlier post. I be damn if I'll trade him for anything less for the sake of another position.
If you are so sure he's the real deal then sell the proven TE....ex: I sold Brees last year and turned him into Chris Johnson because I knew that Aaron Rodgers wasn't a one year wonder. I knew what I had in Rodgers and walked away with the top two players in PPR leagues because of it. Basically...put your money where your mouth is. Sello the proven player if you think this much of Cook.
 
Here is one reaction I got on Cook. What this guy doesn't seem to know is that he probably can't buy Cook for a 1st by the time he's dwelling in Finley land.

"Sorry, I don't buy players at their projected worth. If I project him to be worth a future 1st and can get him for less then I'll do so. If he becomes worth a 1st and I want to get him, then I'll offer it up when he finally hits that value. If you want to keep him at that point, then so be it."
"This guy" does seem to know that he can't buy him for a 1st at that time...........from you.You want to expect to be paid for POTENTIAL value, then that's fine. If you can get it, great for you. If you're so sure he's going to hit that potential, then why are you selling "low" to begin with? Wait until he's dwelling in Finley land if that's the case.
all rookie picks are "potential value" though. if cook becomes finley youre not going to get him for the 1.12. THAT'S why you go after him beforehand. i'm not sayin' i WOULD pay the 1.12 for him necessarily, but i took him at pick 30 last year, and he had some positive buzz in camp. i certainly won't wait for him to pop and then give him to YOU for another lottery ticket at the end of the first. guys who chase draft picks always end up with more draft picks. guys who get players win championships.
This guy gets it.
He also paid a mid 3rd (assuming a 12 team league) while you took him over Stafford and Sanchez. We get it. You like, and have liked, Cook for a while. If Cook is a guy you are higher on than most, then that is cool ... we all have those players. But, at the same time, you cannot expect others to pay the price you think he is worth.
I know that. I'm just making a point about being proactive vs reactive. Substitute Cook for your favorite sleeper, I don't care.
 
(Rotoworld) According to the Nashville City Paper, the Titans are expected to place a restricted tender on free agent Bo Scaife, even at the cost of $4.9 million. Analysis: Since Scaife was given the franchise tender last season at $4.46M, the Titans have to pay at least 110 percent of that salary this season. A pedestrian pass-catcher with little in the way of playmaking ability, Scaife isn't worth the price tag. If the Titans do keep him, it's an admission that Jared Cook isn't ready for a major role.They placed a 1st round tender on Scaife. Fisher was quoted as saying that he expected Cook to play a bigger role this year...but I think actions speak louder than words here. As a Titans fan I want to see him blow up, but we drafted another TE that had combine measureables that never panned out. I'm having visions of Ben Troupe.
I assume Johnny saw this article, too, and is why he is selling ......
Nope, not that at all. I'm happy to keep Cook. I just have a lot of quality TEs in the league in question. I posted them in an earlier post. I be damn if I'll trade him for anything less for the sake of another position.
If you are so sure he's the real deal then sell the proven TE....ex: I sold Brees last year and turned him into Chris Johnson because I knew that Aaron Rodgers wasn't a one year wonder. I knew what I had in Rodgers and walked away with the top two players in PPR leagues because of it. Basically...put your money where your mouth is. Sello the proven player if you think this much of Cook.
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Yes Johnny, you are overvalueing himSo let's get this straight.You want a #1 one for Cook but wouldn't give up a #2 for Forte?So you wouldn't trade Forte for Cook straight up then.......that's crazy talk
Hell no I wouldn't take Forte for Cook, especially in a PPR league or a 1.5 PPR league which I also play in.
Wow, I might make an appointment at the hospital....you obviously have a blood clot to your brain....thinking jared cook....proving nothing.....is worth more than a player that has had 120 catches in two years.....oh yeah and rushed for about 2000 yards. lol
Let's see how much value Forte has while he's bringing Chester Taylor a drink of water.
 
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(Rotoworld) According to the Nashville City Paper, the Titans are expected to place a restricted tender on free agent Bo Scaife, even at the cost of $4.9 million. Analysis: Since Scaife was given the franchise tender last season at $4.46M, the Titans have to pay at least 110 percent of that salary this season. A pedestrian pass-catcher with little in the way of playmaking ability, Scaife isn't worth the price tag. If the Titans do keep him, it's an admission that Jared Cook isn't ready for a major role.They placed a 1st round tender on Scaife. Fisher was quoted as saying that he expected Cook to play a bigger role this year...but I think actions speak louder than words here. As a Titans fan I want to see him blow up, but we drafted another TE that had combine measureables that never panned out. I'm having visions of Ben Troupe.
I assume Johnny saw this article, too, and is why he is selling ......
Nope, not that at all. I'm happy to keep Cook. I just have a lot of quality TEs in the league in question. I posted them in an earlier post. I be damn if I'll trade him for anything less for the sake of another position.
If you are so sure he's the real deal then sell the proven TE....ex: I sold Brees last year and turned him into Chris Johnson because I knew that Aaron Rodgers wasn't a one year wonder. I knew what I had in Rodgers and walked away with the top two players in PPR leagues because of it. Basically...put your money where your mouth is. Sello the proven player if you think this much of Cook.
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I agree with him about this. Sure, he made a great deal by selling brees because he had Rodgers. There are many ways to skin a cat.
 
He also paid a mid 3rd (assuming a 12 team league) while you took him over Stafford and Sanchez. We get it. You like, and have liked, Cook for a while. If Cook is a guy you are higher on than most, then that is cool ... we all have those players. But, at the same time, you cannot expect others to pay the price you think he is worth.
I know that. I'm just making a point about being proactive vs reactive. Substitute Cook for your favorite sleeper, I don't care.
How many current tight ends are currently worth what you are asking for Cook? I would guess four, maybe five. Paying the same price for Cook as Vernon Davis is not being proactive, it is being foolish, imo. This is the Tennessee offense, not Green Bay where Finley flourished (from week 13 on). Celek emerged in a pass-happy Philly offense.
 
I wouldn't part with a first round pick for Cook. Probably around mid 2nd round. He is a TE, so unless he is putting up Gates, Witten, Clark or Gonzalez type numbers he really isn't going to make a huge impact.
So you think you're going to get Cook for a 1st if he's putting up Gates/Witten/Clark numbers and he's in his early 20s? Another example of reactive response, not proactive.
No, I didn't say that. If I want a top TE who has put up Gates/Witten/Clark numbers, I would expect to pay a good deal more than a 1st for that. But included in that price is a level of security based on their previous results. With Cook it is all still speculation at this point. If I am paying a 1st round price, I want more guarantee that I am getting a starting caliber TE in return. To me, if you don't have one of the top 5-6 TE's, then it doesn't really make much difference if you have #8 or #15. It's a pretty big assumption to make that Cook will be in that elite tier of TE's.
 
I wouldn't part with a first round pick for Cook. Probably around mid 2nd round. He is a TE, so unless he is putting up Gates, Witten, Clark or Gonzalez type numbers he really isn't going to make a huge impact.
So you think you're going to get Cook for a 1st if he's putting up Gates/Witten/Clark numbers and he's in his early 20s? Another example of reactive response, not proactive.
No, I didn't say that. If I want a top TE who has put up Gates/Witten/Clark numbers, I would expect to pay a good deal more than a 1st for that. But included in that price is a level of security based on their previous results. With Cook it is all still speculation at this point. If I am paying a 1st round price, I want more guarantee that I am getting a starting caliber TE in return. To me, if you don't have one of the top 5-6 TE's, then it doesn't really make much difference if you have #8 or #15. It's a pretty big assumption to make that Cook will be in that elite tier of TE's.
I really believe he will, and I know for a fact that VY loves his TEs. I'm just saying that with speculation comes risk. All of us are faced with it every day in dynasty leagues.
 
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He also paid a mid 3rd (assuming a 12 team league) while you took him over Stafford and Sanchez. We get it. You like, and have liked, Cook for a while. If Cook is a guy you are higher on than most, then that is cool ... we all have those players. But, at the same time, you cannot expect others to pay the price you think he is worth.
I know that. I'm just making a point about being proactive vs reactive. Substitute Cook for your favorite sleeper, I don't care.
How many current tight ends are currently worth what you are asking for Cook? I would guess four, maybe five. Paying the same price for Cook as Vernon Davis is not being proactive, it is being foolish, imo. This is the Tennessee offense, not Green Bay where Finley flourished (from week 13 on). Celek emerged in a pass-happy Philly offense.
Nobody in their right mind would trade Vernon Davis for the 1.08 in a ppr league. I know that VY has shown in the past to favor Scaife, and Cook has a lot more talent than Scaife. Yes, they're a run first team, but VY likes the over the middle intermediate throw as well. ETA: I'm going to bed now, but we will revisit this at a later date. I love the dialogue, even though you guys are in attack mode :goodposting:

 
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(Rotoworld) According to the Nashville City Paper, the Titans are expected to place a restricted tender on free agent Bo Scaife, even at the cost of $4.9 million. Analysis: Since Scaife was given the franchise tender last season at $4.46M, the Titans have to pay at least 110 percent of that salary this season. A pedestrian pass-catcher with little in the way of playmaking ability, Scaife isn't worth the price tag. If the Titans do keep him, it's an admission that Jared Cook isn't ready for a major role.They placed a 1st round tender on Scaife. Fisher was quoted as saying that he expected Cook to play a bigger role this year...but I think actions speak louder than words here. As a Titans fan I want to see him blow up, but we drafted another TE that had combine measureables that never panned out. I'm having visions of Ben Troupe.
I assume Johnny saw this article, too, and is why he is selling ......
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I agree with him about this. Sure, he made a great deal by selling brees because he had Rodgers. There are many ways to skin a cat.
Then go with the other option. You think I didn't try to sell Rodgers first??? Nobody wanted to pay what I knew he was worth, and people even admitted that they thought he had a huge upside...but didn't have the nerve to offer what it would cost to get him...but Brees was an easy sell. If you are sitting on VD, Witten, Gates, etc....sell them and get what you should in return instead. I don't even bother offering Chaz Schilens, Laurent Robinson, or Early Doucet as throw in's in any big trade offers because I know that people expect to be handed these players...but I hold them in higher regard than to just toss them away to make a deal.
 
He also paid a mid 3rd (assuming a 12 team league) while you took him over Stafford and Sanchez. We get it. You like, and have liked, Cook for a while. If Cook is a guy you are higher on than most, then that is cool ... we all have those players. But, at the same time, you cannot expect others to pay the price you think he is worth.
I know that. I'm just making a point about being proactive vs reactive. Substitute Cook for your favorite sleeper, I don't care.
How many current tight ends are currently worth what you are asking for Cook? I would guess four, maybe five. Paying the same price for Cook as Vernon Davis is not being proactive, it is being foolish, imo. This is the Tennessee offense, not Green Bay where Finley flourished (from week 13 on). Celek emerged in a pass-happy Philly offense.
Nobody in their right mind would trade Vernon Davis for the 1.08 in a ppr league. I know that VY has shown in the past to favor Scaife, and Cook has a lot more talent than Scaife. Yes, they're a run first team, but VY likes the over the middle intermediate throw as well. ETA: I'm going to bed now, but we will revisit this at a later date. I love the dialogue, even though you guys are in attack mode :goodposting:
So, how many TEs do you think are worth more than Cook?BTW, I do not think anyone is in "attack" mode, but I also do not think it is right to call people that disagree "reactive".

 
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He also paid a mid 3rd (assuming a 12 team league) while you took him over Stafford and Sanchez. We get it. You like, and have liked, Cook for a while. If Cook is a guy you are higher on than most, then that is cool ... we all have those players. But, at the same time, you cannot expect others to pay the price you think he is worth.
I know that. I'm just making a point about being proactive vs reactive. Substitute Cook for your favorite sleeper, I don't care.
How many current tight ends are currently worth what you are asking for Cook? I would guess four, maybe five. Paying the same price for Cook as Vernon Davis is not being proactive, it is being foolish, imo. This is the Tennessee offense, not Green Bay where Finley flourished (from week 13 on). Celek emerged in a pass-happy Philly offense.
depending on league size, positions, 1.5 ppr, etc. of course, i would say witten, celek, finley, davis, z miller, winslow, gates, clark, olsen would all go at or above 1.08, and an argument for daniels, keller, carleson, h miller, and cooley could be made, depending on how you evaluate their respective situations. i would NOT say that the position is so deep that it should be discounted because if you don't have a good one you're losing 3-4 pts a week, or the difference between steve smith and austin collie, phillip rivers and eli manning, deangelo williams and the aforementioned matt forte...at least for 2009. and even if there were 20 good ones, you still have to HAVE one, and no one is going to give one to you. they will just flex their second one and that's one less stud WR they need. in 1.5 ppr for TE leagues 14 TEs scored 12.5 pts per game. 24 WRs did it. 25 RBs did it. for contrast, in last year's rookie draft in the league i got cook at 33 in (said 30 earlier, my bad) i see a lot of people souring on mccoy at 3, d brown at 4, DHB at 12, robiske at 14, freeman at 16, dillard at 17, curry at 18, iglesias at 22. and do we expect britt (at 11) to be great in the same offense that troubles people about cook? and this doesnt count drafting good LBs in the 2nd round when you can get functional ones off the waiver wire even in a deep league. i'm not saying we're throwing darts, but let's not overvalue draft picks. would you RATHER take toby gerhardt over zach miller? even with jamarcus throwing to him i wouldnt.

also, keep in mind that nobody would have even given you a 3rd rounder for vernon davis last year at this time...which is who cook was/is being compared to.

 
If you are so sure he's the real deal then sell the proven TE....ex: I sold Brees last year and turned him into Chris Johnson because I knew that Aaron Rodgers wasn't a one year wonder. I knew what I had in Rodgers and walked away with the top two players in PPR leagues because of it. Basically...put your money where your mouth is. Sello the proven player if you think this much of Cook.
I agree with this but TEs just don't get a lot of attention in my leagues, they end up being good values which is why I currently have 2 good veterans and Cook. It's weird to me but despite the leagues I'm in allowing you to start multiple TEs as flex, you won't get near an equal points, equal aged WR or RB for a TE. Offer Dallas Clark for Reggie Wayne and most will laugh you out of the room. Vernon Davis for Steve Smith (NYG) and probably not even get a counter. Brent Celek for Ryan Grant? Never happen. Yet each of those TEs produced more points than the other guy. I told an owner I was interested in Eddie Royal - he wanted Cook and a 1st. So I keep 3 TEs I like and I'll probably start 2 or 3 many weeks.
 
My thoughts

Cook could very well be worth a 1st rounder. It is all in the eyes of the holder. I dont compare this to Jermicheal Finley at all a year ago. I think you would have taken a 2nd rounder for him in a heartbeat. He was a FA in our league after year 1 and I drafted him at the 33rd pick overall and most thought I took him early as he was on most guys radar but for the 50th pick or later. He went behind Pettigrew, Cook, Coffman, Beckum, and Nelson. Which brings up another questions. If Cook is so highly thought of than what are Coffman, Beckum and Nelson thought of. Would you give up a 1st for any of them in the end. I doubt it. Same situation almost though. Good pass catchers and Nelson put up nice combine numbers also.

Would I Give up 1st for Cook. I doubt it. Ben Troupe was a great example of a guy lots of owners overpaid for in the end with the same type of hype if not even higher. I got Troupe in a deal a few years back and thought I was coming out of the deal smelling like roses. Eventually he went to the waiver crap pile. It is Vince YOung and Troupe that would stop me. Would someone else do it. Maybe but there is risk involved and matters how risky you are

And I agree that you should trade Finley if you believe that much in Cook. Why trade Finley last year for a 1st. He is worth 2 plus 1st just a year later. I could trade him in my home league(little premium on TE's as they get 1 per 10 yds to .5 for everyone else) for the 10, 11 and 14 in this draft but have zero interest in that. So if you truly believe than wait and dump Finley or Gates for a ton. YOu might lose on that also by not taking the 2nd. Vernon Davis is a perfectly example as after year 2 his value decreased. After year 3 most were selling for cheap thinking bust. Took year 4 before he finally had great value. And a few gave up on him by than. And he was a great specimen also.

So in the end. Everyone sees things differently. I think Cook wont be as good as Zach Miller in the end. So while I might take him for a 2nd rounder and take a chance, I wont take the big risk with my 1st rounder in the end. And thus he is probably a hold candidate

 
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I don't think there are too many people that don't think Cook will be a stud.
I assume you mean other than the roughly 25 NFL teams that passed on him three times?
Finley was drafted with the 28th pick of the 3rd round.
Who was giving a first for Finley a year ago?
Exactly my point, and who is getting him for a late first now?
Oh, we get your point. You want to use Finley as a benchmark for your projected meteoric rise of Jared Cook. You want current Finley dollars for today's Jared Cook. Unfortunately there are a couple big holes in your reasoning. The main one being the difference between Aaron Rodgers and Vince Young.FYI - no one is buying what you're selling.....so stop.
 
I like Cook, I drafted him in many leagues w/ my late 2nds or 3rds... But no way I give a 1st up for him this year. That is way to high. A late 1st can get you a solid player that can produce and you want me to sell it on a ?.

The kid has Blocking problems which is why he was on the Bench most of last yr. The kid is nothing ore than a throw in at this point.

But I do like him and would like to get him everywhere because I agree that he could be very good.

 
Oh, we get your point. You want to use Finley as a benchmark for your projected meteoric rise of Jared Cook. You want current Finley dollars for today's Jared Cook. Unfortunately there are a couple big holes in your reasoning. The main one being the difference between Aaron Rodgers and Vince Young.

FYI - no one is buying what you're selling.....so stop.
Not true. I'm not saying Cook is worth what Finley is worth today, because Finley is worth more than a late 1st rounder. I'm just saying that I believe Cook will also be worth more this time next year than he's worth today, just as Finley is currently worth more today than he was this time last year.
 
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