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Larry Johnson is a Redskin (1 Viewer)

Matt Waldman

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Think he has gas left in the tank? In a recent thread in this forum there was a link to a study about yards after contact, and Larry Johnson was apparently near the top of the heap for 2009. He might not be a match in a spread system, but he might be a worthwhile gamble in Shanny's system for a year.

What say you?

 
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That may be true, but I'm talking about skills and not attitude. With that in mind, let's keep it focused on whether he has enough gas in the tank to be a mid-to-late round asset for a fantasy owner in 2010 if he signs in Washington.

 
I think the answer lies in the OL. Denver always had a good ZBS OL for the running game allowing Shanny to plug and play. If they can duct tape a decent ZBS OL for the 2010, he might be worth a shot and Shanahan did fine with lesser RBs before. But I really think the answer lies with the OL.

 
That may be true, but I'm talking about skills and not attitude. With that in mind, let's keep it focused on whether he has enough gas in the tank to be a mid-to-late round asset for a fantasy owner in 2010 if he signs in Washington.
I think he just wanted out of KC and lost some of his fire. In a very limited sample set he looked good while in Cinncinati. I was at the last Sunday Night game and he was much more effective against the Jets than Bernard Scott was. Once again, very limited sample size but I think he still has a little gas left in the tank and could be a very effective tandem back. I'd go so far as to say that I could imagine him being more effective than Portis in Washington as Portis clearly looks spent to me.
 
I'm with DO on this. I believe he'd do great in DC for at least another year or two.

 
I do think he has something left, but if Portis is still there (and it looks like he will be), I can't see LJ having a huge amount of value on the short side of a RBBC.

 
I do think he has something left, but if Portis is still there (and it looks like he will be), I can't see LJ having a huge amount of value on the short side of a RBBC.
I wouldn't worry too much about Portis, he's been getting injured lately.
 
i have drafted LJ in the 20th+ rounds in 2 startups. Yes, i do believe he has something left in the tank, unlike LT.

 
My take on LJ: I agree that the OL is obviously important, but I think talent-wise he still has the power and burst to be a valuable contributor next year. I do think that he's a coach-killer/team-killer with his behavior/lack of maturity so I doubt any team that takes him will see him as anything more than an RBBC contributor with a rookie waiting in the wings. If the Skins take him, I think they keep Portis and draft a rookie after round three (as Shanny has done in the past). At that point, Shanny hopes he has a wealth of RB talent heading into camp and the best case scenario is that the Skins have a three-RB rotation ala the Giants and Cowboys.

I know Cecil has said he's heard Bobby Turner say Portis has something left. I can definitely see it, because the issues don't seem to be things like bone on bone contact with joints. It seems to be lingering injuries that pile up quickly and ruin his season. It's possible he can get past them if he's fully healed by camp, but I'm skeptical. I think Washington is waiting to see it this summer.

LJ would be the insurance policy for Portis and the rookie to be named later.

 
I think it would be a weird fit, I would think they'd want to go after a big play threat since Portis isn't one anymore. That said if its just LJ and Portis, I could see LJ being the superior RB, I'm of the belief that he still has some burst and was just plain doggin' it for KC.

Also as an aside, if they do sign LJ, they'll be only two players away from fielding my 2005 fantasy championship team with LJ, Portis, Moss and Cooley. Are Trent Green and Marvin Harrison busy?

 
Does seem like a weird fit from my perspective.

However, could make sense on some level too.

Despite popular opinion, the Skins did do some zone blocking in the running game the last couple yrs.

The O line holdovers are familiar with it. Not as large of a disconnect as some might think.

O line transition is not quite as extreme as some think in moving to Shineytan's scheme.

Huge variable is what plays out w/ the draft and pre-season cuts, which seems to be the way the Skins are going to fill the remaining holes on the line.

I'd love to see T Williams, Davis or Okung at #4, if they dont trade back, or up.

I could realistically see 1,500 yds nxt yr in the running game.

1,100 for Portis and 400 for LJ. Seems plausable to me.

 
Just please no one say that this is "just a ploy to motivate Clinton Portis." :-)

Actually, I think if they could get him for a reasonable price tag, it is a decent move. Portis has been slowing down as of late, and Johnson "may" still have something left. He rushed for 4.4 yards per carry after being traded to Cincy last year; that is not a terrible average at all. What Shanny may be thinking is taking a RB in the middle rounds and going into the season with Portis, Johnson, and a rookie RB who will eventually be the starter. That is not the worst plan you could come up with. It's not like they have the capability of signing Adrian Peterson or anything.

From a fantasy perspective, I think he's worth a VERY late round flyer in redraft leagues -- like take him with your last pick just for the hell of it. If Portis can't get his health issues together, then you just got yourself a starting RB for cheap. FFL wise is risk/reward, so if you keep the risk low, it's worth it. For "real football" same thing...if you just sign him for a year or two at a reasonable price tag...why not? It could really pay off if he can keep that 4 1/2 ypc average...

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I challenge anybodys assertion that LJ is a better performer than Portis right now (back it up w/ some stats please). Portis knows the system, qb, and the holdover linemen very well and therefore would have an advantage. But I would say taking Portis in the 3rd would be reasonable if we were dealing with anybody but shanahan. It's anybodys gueuss who'll wind up leading the team in rushing by seasons end. And even though I don't predict injury for either back we must keep in mind their ages. My advice is to try and stay away, I wouldn't take either unless they fell well past ADP.

 
Texasmouth said:
Adam_Schefter Filed to ESPN: There's a new running back in Washington. Redskins reached agreement with RB Larry Johnson on a three-year deal.
Very interesting, but the cupboard was pretty bare. I don't see much value for LJ or Portis next year. Be surprised to see either break 600 yards and 5 TDs.
 
Texasmouth said:
Adam_Schefter Filed to ESPN: There's a new running back in Washington. Redskins reached agreement with RB Larry Johnson on a three-year deal.
Very interesting, but the cupboard was pretty bare. I don't see much value for LJ or Portis next year. Be surprised to see either break 600 yards and 5 TDs.
This certainly isn't good news for Portis, but I don't see LJ getting equal time with him. What exactly it all means, it's just too early to say. :confused:
 
Unless someone else is brought in, you BADLY underestimate a Shanahan running game. If there isn't at least a 1,000 yard rusher, even behind a bad line in the midst of complete system overhaul, there will be 2 guys with over 800. It just all begins with the run and Skeletor knows how to coach it.

 
Unless someone else is brought in, you BADLY underestimate a Shanahan running game. If there isn't at least a 1,000 yard rusher, even behind a bad line in the midst of complete system overhaul, there will be 2 guys with over 800. It just all begins with the run and Skeletor knows how to coach it.
Wow 3 year deal...
 
I'd go so far as to say that I could imagine him being more effective than Portis in Washington as Portis clearly looks spent to me.
And LJ doesn't?Isn't this the same guy that averaged 2.9ypc as a starter behind the same KC line that Jamaal Charles averaged 5.9ypc as a starter behind?

 
Unless someone else is brought in, you BADLY underestimate a Shanahan running game. If there isn't at least a 1,000 yard rusher, even behind a bad line in the midst of complete system overhaul, there will be 2 guys with over 800. It just all begins with the run and Skeletor knows how to coach it.
In 2008, the Broncos were led by Peyton Hillis with 343 yards. 2007 was Selvin Young with 729 yards and 1 TD. In 2006, Tatum Bell did manage 1025 yards and 2 TDs.Shanahan doesn't have any RB magic; it's been five years since he's had a startable fantasy RB (Mike Anderson).
 
Unless someone else is brought in, you BADLY underestimate a Shanahan running game. If there isn't at least a 1,000 yard rusher, even behind a bad line in the midst of complete system overhaul, there will be 2 guys with over 800. It just all begins with the run and Skeletor knows how to coach it.
In 2008, the Broncos were led by Peyton Hillis with 343 yards. 2007 was Selvin Young with 729 yards and 1 TD. In 2006, Tatum Bell did manage 1025 yards and 2 TDs.Shanahan doesn't have any RB magic; it's been five years since he's had a startable fantasy RB (Mike Anderson).
Those were RBBC years. The group did fine under Shanahan every year. The last year Denver went through 7 RBs IIRC. Not much the HC can do about those injuries. From fantasy terms, there's not much to look for those years. From an real NFL perspective, his zone blocking system is impressive.
 
We do need a young running back. Getting it through the draft, at a young age is the idea choose. I want T.O. He should, be a outstanding signing, because those cow-girls do not have anyone to check him. He'll be begging for the ball. He made Dallas a better team. I was so happy they lobby against him. Cow-girls, one and done. Redskins for ever.

 
NFL Network Total Access said this was a major push from Wash to get LJ. They want him to be the "bellcow" early in the season. I forget if it was Mayock or Lombardi who said this....

IMO, LJ & Portis could be a nice RBBC... each has lost enough to combine to make up a marginal RB3.

 
Kind of glad this happened. I had talked myself into targeting Portis as a middle round sleeper in my 10 man league. Now I can avoid the Redskin RBs altogether.

 
NFL Network Total Access said this was a major push from Wash to get LJ. They want him to be the "bellcow" early in the season. I forget if it was Mayock or Lombardi who said this....

IMO, LJ & Portis could be a nice RBBC... each has lost enough to combine to make up a marginal RB3.
Wow, if true, that means WAS has no faith in Portis - they just had to keep him due to his guaranteed salary. LJ may be this year's Benson/TJones -- RB on a new team that has some left to put up top15 numbers?
 
From what I read on www.ffmastermind.com, LJ's deal is only a 3-year, $3.5mm deal. It's the incentives of the deal that could push the price tag to $12mm. This is is definitely "back-up" money with a dangling carrot attached.

Knowing the Skins won't go RB with the #4 overall, it appears as if the depth chart will be the following:

Portis

LJ

RB in the 3rd-round or later

some 3rd-down specialist

I also don't see the Skins grabbing a RB with the #37 overall pick...unless Spiller, Matthews or Best falls to them. With the Skins installing the 3-4 on D, they will need to focus on the "other" side of the ball in the draft. I see a 3-4 DE or ILB as the #37 overall pick.

 
I'd go so far as to say that I could imagine him being more effective than Portis in Washington as Portis clearly looks spent to me.
And LJ doesn't?Isn't this the same guy that averaged 2.9ypc as a starter behind the same KC line that Jamaal Charles averaged 5.9ypc as a starter behind?
I don't think much of his YPC last year in KC since he clearly wanted (and got) out of there. Charles played great but I don't think the YPC are fair to compare.
 
I'd go so far as to say that I could imagine him being more effective than Portis in Washington as Portis clearly looks spent to me.
And LJ doesn't?Isn't this the same guy that averaged 2.9ypc as a starter behind the same KC line that Jamaal Charles averaged 5.9ypc as a starter behind?
As I said prior to what you quoted, I think LJ was tanking it a little in KC. He had a 4.2 ypc in Cinncy same as Benson.

 
I think LJ will be a decent mid to late round pick. He will be motivated to show that he can still play and Portis is likely to be dinged again some time this season. I think that I would gamble on LJ before I would gamble on Portis. Shanny seems to be riding Portis already and I suspect that the relationship will be sour by the beginning of the season.

 
From what I read on www.ffmastermind.com, LJ's deal is only a 3-year, $3.5mm deal. It's the incentives of the deal that could push the price tag to $12mm. This is is definitely "back-up" money with a dangling carrot attached.Knowing the Skins won't go RB with the #4 overall, it appears as if the depth chart will be the following:PortisLJRB in the 3rd-round or latersome 3rd-down specialist
I agree with you about this being backup money, and positional depth. And while I do think the Skins will draft a RB at some point, it won't be in the 3rd round. They don't have a 3rd round pick.
 
LJ is finished.Portis is running on fumes.The Skins may want to start thinking about the future.
This is a short term fix. The backfield won't be the same in 2011. I'd strongly suspect that they'll draft another Mike Bell hoping that he'll turn into the next Terrell Davis, which is Shanny's M. O. As for this "bellcow" business, I strongly doubt it unless they simply mean "capable of being if Portis doesn't participate in the offseason training regimen or come into camp in shape." This is Shanny we're talking about, so "ploys to motivate" may be at work here. :lmao:LJ's upside may be as good as Jamal Lewis' a few years ago if he's in shape and they get the o-line squared away, and of course if he gets enough carries. We'll have to see.
 
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Another one of those situations that stink for fantasy purposes, but make sense from an NFL perspective.

Both guys have logged a lot of carries in their careers, but maybe still have a little left in the tank.

Using both allows Shanahan to avoid overworking either one of them.

Could be that: 0.5(Portis) + 0.5(LJ) > 1.0 (Portis) OR 0.5(Portis) + 0.5(LJ) > 1.0 (LJ)

 
As a runner, I think he has a little something left, probably more than what people are giving him credit for in this thread.

If he can get his head on straight and focus on being a good teammate and running the ball, the guy will contribute and this will be a good signing. If the Redksins are just throwing money at this guy and Johnson just plans on doing what he's always done, he'll contribute some but not enough to make this signing a good one.

Johnson can be dangerous but he'll really have to be motivated to be so, we'll see.

 
As a runner, I think he has a little something left, probably more than what people are giving him credit for in this thread.If he can get his head on straight and focus on being a good teammate and running the ball, the guy will contribute and this will be a good signing. If the Redksins are just throwing money at this guy and Johnson just plans on doing what he's always done, he'll contribute some but not enough to make this signing a good one.Johnson can be dangerous but he'll really have to be motivated to be so, we'll see.
You hit the nail on the head because it's an incentive laden deal ($$$), so he has all the motivation right there.
 

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