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Keep in mind that many NFL GMs have their internet access restricted at work. As a result, they probably haven't gotten to watch all the same YouTube highlight videos that you and I have seen.

If your team fails to pick the player you want, it's not necessarily because the GM is a moron who should be fired immediately. It may just be because he's working from a set of information that differs from yours.

 
I don't know if this is the thread for this or not, but Eric DeCosta of the Ravens' personnel department had an interesting quote in today's paper. He admitted that when they picked Ed Reed at No. 24 in '02, they actually had someone else in mind instead but the other guy got picked just before. For all the good work Ozzie and his staff have done over the years, sometimes you need some luck, too.

 
Keep in mind that many NFL GMs have their internet access restricted at work. As a result, they probably haven't gotten to watch all the same YouTube highlight videos that you and I have seen.

If your team fails to pick the player you want, it's not necessarily because the GM is a moron who should be fired immediately. It may just be because he's working from a set of information that differs from yours.
Please tell me this is a joke.
 
I have yet to be disappointed in Thomas Dimitroff's drafts since he's been with the Falcons (I know it's only 2 years). I doubt I will be this year either.

 
Keep in mind that many NFL GMs have their internet access restricted at work. As a result, they probably haven't gotten to watch all the same YouTube highlight videos that you and I have seen.

If your team fails to pick the player you want, it's not necessarily because the GM is a moron who should be fired immediately. It may just be because he's working from a set of information that differs from yours.
Please tell me this is a joke.
No, he's serious. I know for a fact Kevin Colbert is limited to 15 minutes of personal email time and 1 hour of streaming audio.
 
Keep in mind that many NFL GMs have their internet access restricted at work. As a result, they probably haven't gotten to watch all the same YouTube highlight videos that you and I have seen.

If your team fails to pick the player you want, it's not necessarily because the GM is a moron who should be fired immediately. It may just be because he's working from a set of information that differs from yours.
Please tell me this is a joke.
Sorry if that wasn't obvious.I'm just saying that while we all have opinions about which college players will turn out to be the best pros, it's all rather speculative at this point. Thinking that the guy you favored is a sure thing, while the guy your team picked is a certain bust, is way premature. Every year, I see comments from fans that their GM should be fired because he had such a terrible draft. I'm not saying that GMs should be immune from criticism; I'm just saying that, before going too far overboard in our criticism, we should at least wait to find out whether we were right and the GM was wrong. And that will take a few years, at least.

 
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I remember when **** Vermeil was coaching the Eagles, they had their heart set on drafting Perry Tuttle, WR, from Clemson. The Bills took him right before the Eagles picked. The Eagles were crushed and had to settle for Mike Quick.

Mike Quick = Pro Bowler; Perry Tuttle = 25 career receptions.

OP is right. There is a lot of luck involved in drafting.

 
When the Dolphins had Wannstache (and Speilman) all the way through Saban and Cam Cameron, I knew I could draft off a Sporting News Cheetsheet better than they did.

With Ireland and the Tuna, I cannot say that.

Much like the Beisbol GMs, I am sure there are a good number of Fantasy football guys who could manage the team better than the guys there now.

 
Keep in mind that many NFL GMs have their internet access restricted at work. As a result, they probably haven't gotten to watch all the same YouTube highlight videos that you and I have seen.

If your team fails to pick the player you want, it's not necessarily because the GM is a moron who should be fired immediately. It may just be because he's working from a set of information that differs from yours.
1. Glad to see the San Diego apologists starting early2. It is crystal clear from browsing thru the draft history that a lot of GMs in the NFL don't know squat about putting teams together. Did Matt Millen do a good job of drafting? I would bet Bloom could have put a team together better than Matt Millen did for his time in Detroit. DOn't come in here and post like the children of the Shark Pool have no clue what is going on in the NFL. Does every paid professional do their job well? NO!!!

So MT, you sit there tonight and tell yourself that AJ Smith is God and can do no wrong and you shouldn't judge, blah blah blah, but the rest of us will be passing out grades tonight and believe me, those that score low in the court of public opinion are going to be roasted over an open fire tonight in here. So you just stand back and observe, don't make a strong opinion on anything tonight and the rest of us will have it.

Cheers,

MOP

 
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I'm just saying that while we all have opinions about which college players will turn out to be the best pros, it's all rather speculative at this point. Thinking that the guy you favored is a sure thing, while the guy your team picked is a certain bust, is way premature. Every year, I see comments from fans that their GM should be fired because he had such a terrible draft. I'm not saying that GMs should be immune from criticism; I'm just saying that, before going too far overboard in our criticism, we should at least wait to find out whether we were right and the GM was wrong. And that will take a few years, at least.
Yeah, didn't the Houston GM get fired after taking Mario Williams ahead of Reggie Bush even before the season started that year?
 
If its the Bills we're talking about, I think its safe to say the only thing they saw were the Youtube highlights.
I remember when **** Vermeil was coaching the Eagles, they had their heart set on drafting Perry Tuttle, WR, from Clemson. The Bills took him right before the Eagles picked. The Eagles were crushed and had to settle for Mike Quick.Mike Quick = Pro Bowler; Perry Tuttle = 25 career receptions.OP is right. There is a lot of luck involved in drafting.
Thanks for hammering home my point. :goodposting:
 
I have yet to be disappointed in Thomas Dimitroff's drafts since he's been with the Falcons (I know it's only 2 years). I doubt I will be this year either.
That's how I feel about the current Viking administration. They've made aggressive moves (like trading a 1st rounder for Jared Allen) and have done their homework (interviewing Percy Harvin) and have done well ever since Tavaris Jackson.
 
Was just reading a PFT piece on the MIN debacle in 2003 where they let the clock run out on their #7 pick. Jags swooped in to take QB Leftwich. CAR jumped in to take Jordan Gross at #8 before MIN could pull it together to select DT Kevin Williams.

Who didn't laugh at the Vikings for this?

5 Pro Bowls and 5 All Pro Teams later (recent allegations, aside), Williams sure seems like a great "mistake."

 
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If its the Bills we're talking about, I think its safe to say the only thing they saw were the Youtube highlights.
I remember when **** Vermeil was coaching the Eagles, they had their heart set on drafting Perry Tuttle, WR, from Clemson. The Bills took him right before the Eagles picked. The Eagles were crushed and had to settle for Mike Quick.Mike Quick = Pro Bowler; Perry Tuttle = 25 career receptions.OP is right. There is a lot of luck involved in drafting.
Thanks for hammering home my point. :shrug:
Sorry. Didn't mean to pour salt in the wound. Good luck with the #9 pick tonight.
 
Did Matt Millen do a good job of drafting?
I think he generally got good "draft grades" when he took Joey Harrington in 2002 and Charles Rogers in 2003.Here's an A- grade from 2002. (ETA: And here's John Clayton giving them a "nice draft" in 2003.)

That's kind of my point -- or at least the flip side of it.
Who is handing out the grades??? Pete Prisco??? I wouldn't let that guy pick out tickets for a football game let alone try and take much he writes seriously. Most of these online grades after the draft are done by guys who graded out the players going in...stand to reason that if a columnists sees their pick for a team turn out to be true...majoroty of the time they are going to say that those teams got it right. Tonight, if Bradford is announced #1, most folks will give St Louis an "A"...because they've been pumping Bradford 24/7 for the last 3 months(heck longer)...I would give them a big fat "F". But that's me.

 
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Did Matt Millen do a good job of drafting?
I think he generally got good "draft grades" when he took Joey Harrington in 2002 and Charles Rogers in 2003.Here's an A- grade from 2002. (ETA: And here's John Clayton giving them a "nice draft" in 2003.)

That's kind of my point -- or at least the flip side of it.
Who is handing out the grades??? Pete Prisco??? I wouldn't let that guy pick out tickets for a football game let alone try and take much he writes seriously. Most of these online grades after the draft are done by guys who graded out the players going in...stand to reason that if a columnists sees their pick for a team turn out to be true...majoroty of the time they are going to say that those teams got it right. Tonight, if Bradford is announced #1, most folks will give St Louis an "A"...because they've been pumping Bradford 24/7 for the last 3 monthsheck longer)...I would give them a big fat "F". But that's me.
I don't get your broader point. Are you saying that it's ok to judge a team's draft, because you are better at evaluations than "experts"? Or are you saying that nobody can accurately judge a draft, so therefore you are as adept as anyone else?
 
I'm just saying that while we all have opinions about which college players will turn out to be the best pros, it's all rather speculative at this point. Thinking that the guy you favored is a sure thing, while the guy your team picked is a certain bust, is way premature. Every year, I see comments from fans that their GM should be fired because he had such a terrible draft. I'm not saying that GMs should be immune from criticism; I'm just saying that, before going too far overboard in our criticism, we should at least wait to find out whether we were right and the GM was wrong. And that will take a few years, at least.
Yeah, didn't the Houston GM get fired after taking Mario Williams ahead of Reggie Bush even before the season started that year?
Kubiak and McNair had the final say on that no matter how it has been spun since 2006. Casserly was lame duck and kept around for administrative and organization reasons. For whatever his flaw was in eventually picking the right guy, evertything I understand is that he was extremely well prepared and was a invaluable resource for a new head coiach.
 
Who is handing out the grades???
Generally, people a lot less knowledgeable than those they are grading.Again, that's kind of my point.
My apologies counsel, maybe I agree with you afterall. I thought you were asking the SP to not make judgements tonight. If you are telling the SP to not buy in to the "experts" grades over the weekend, sure I can buy that.
 
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If its the Bills we're talking about, I think its safe to say the only thing they saw were the Youtube highlights.
I remember when **** Vermeil was coaching the Eagles, they had their heart set on drafting Perry Tuttle, WR, from Clemson. The Bills took him right before the Eagles picked. The Eagles were crushed and had to settle for Mike Quick.Mike Quick = Pro Bowler; Perry Tuttle = 25 career receptions.OP is right. There is a lot of luck involved in drafting.
Thanks for hammering home my point. :lmao:
Sorry. Didn't mean to pour salt in the wound. Good luck with the #9 pick tonight.
Tebow! :moneybag:
 
Did Matt Millen do a good job of drafting?
I think he generally got good "draft grades" when he took Joey Harrington in 2002 and Charles Rogers in 2003.Here's an A- grade from 2002. (ETA: And here's John Clayton giving them a "nice draft" in 2003.)

That's kind of my point -- or at least the flip side of it.
Who is handing out the grades??? Pete Prisco??? I wouldn't let that guy pick out tickets for a football game let alone try and take much he writes seriously. Most of these online grades after the draft are done by guys who graded out the players going in...stand to reason that if a columnists sees their pick for a team turn out to be true...majoroty of the time they are going to say that those teams got it right. Tonight, if Bradford is announced #1, most folks will give St Louis an "A"...because they've been pumping Bradford 24/7 for the last 3 monthsheck longer)...I would give them a big fat "F". But that's me.
I don't get your broader point. Are you saying that it's ok to judge a team's draft, because you are better at evaluations than "experts"? Or are you saying that nobody can accurately judge a draft, so therefore you are as adept as anyone else?
Hi Michael,It's a good question. I'm not so narcissistic that I think I know more than everyone covering it, but I feel the real scoop on many of these athletes is better covered by guys named Walter and many other sites out there. ESPN has been blowing the draft up all week, because the NFL is so popular but they are carrying the thing in its entirety in primetime on Thursday and Friday this year...what are the odds you are going to get anything real over there? It's all fluff meant to entice viewers to keep watching.

Many of the roque websites only have their names...outside of a small yearly due, this is all FBG really has to hang their hat on too. If DD comes out and puts up a bunch of nonsense then no one will pay the $25 or whatever to keep reading. ESPN knows though that you are going to continue to watch them almost no matter what. They have the NFL Network to compete against which I will watch but they know they need to entice viewers, one of the many reasons they pursued Gruden after he was on their draft day coverage...he made the draft last year so much more enjoyable on ESPN and I'm sure he does the same tonight.

I guess I didn't really answer your question very well but that won't be a first for me.

 
Did Matt Millen do a good job of drafting?
I think he generally got good "draft grades" when he took Joey Harrington in 2002 and Charles Rogers in 2003.Here's an A- grade from 2002. (ETA: And here's John Clayton giving him a "nice draft" in 2003.)

That's kind of my point -- or at least the flip side of it.
A very interesting read is the "XXXX draft -- Six Years After" series that Football Outsiders does each year.

One aspect about the articles I enjoy is the summary of "conventional wisdom", since many people, including many on this board, rewrite history when it comes to failed prospects, claiming that GM_X was "an idiot" for drafting a busted player that at the time 95% of the football world thought was just awesome.

People often insist their team NEEDS to take a specific position. Many have been doing that with the Rams. Yet in 2002, there were these awesome QB's available: David Carr, Joey "Heisman" Harrington, Patrick Ramsey, and David Garrard. Sure, it's easy to say now "Millen should have taken someone else," but at the time, if he hadn't picked a QB he would have been roasted for making a stupid pick and passing on a franchise QB prospect. It's a damned-if-you-do/damned-if-you-don't paradigm. Meanwhile, it's easy for us to criticize, because we can afford to be wrong, with our small leagues and star-filled rosters.

Anyway, the most recent article is http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft...six-years-later They're a treat.

 
If the Buccaneers trade down in the interest of saving money I will go nuts. Save us all the trouble and ban me for a week. TIA.

ETA: If that happens. Don't ban me now, please.

 
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Keep in mind that many NFL GMs have their internet access restricted at work. As a result, they probably haven't gotten to watch all the same YouTube highlight videos that you and I have seen.

If your team fails to pick the player you want, it's not necessarily because the GM is a moron who should be fired immediately. It may just be because he's working from a set of information that differs from yours.
1. Glad to see the San Diego apologists starting early2. It is crystal clear from browsing thru the draft history that a lot of GMs in the NFL don't know squat about putting teams together. Did Matt Millen do a good job of drafting? I would bet Bloom could have put a team together better than Matt Millen did for his time in Detroit. DOn't come in here and post like the children of the Shark Pool have no clue what is going on in the NFL. Does every paid professional do their job well? NO!!!

So MT, you sit there tonight and tell yourself that AJ Smith is God and can do no wrong and you shouldn't judge, blah blah blah, but the rest of us will be passing out grades tonight and believe me, those that score low in the court of public opinion are going to be roasted over an open fire tonight in here. So you just stand back and observe, don't make a strong opinion on anything tonight and the rest of us will have it.

Cheers,

MOP
Millen had no experience outside being a football player and tv commnetator, so he is the best example of what an outsider would face when taking over a team. My guess is that the first handful of years many of the "scouts" on this board we like would struggle a bit more than it seems, but if given eight years to figure it out many us of on the board ( I mean there are people who are lawyers, PHDs, engineers, business owners, or just have a decent ability to learn) would at least figure out mediocrity unlike Millen.
 
I don't know if this is the thread for this or not, but Eric DeCosta of the Ravens' personnel department had an interesting quote in today's paper. He admitted that when they picked Ed Reed at No. 24 in '02, they actually had someone else in mind instead but the other guy got picked just before. For all the good work Ozzie and his staff have done over the years, sometimes you need some luck, too.
It was Napoleon Harris.Here's the column Mike Preston wrote about Ed Reed's selection. I email it to him about twice a season. Just to remind him he's an idiot. But it's clear from reading it that he was just reporting what the Ravens were feeling/saying in private and that they weren't that thrilled with Reed.

HEADLINE: Let's face it: Reed is a pick without pizazz

BYLINE: MIKE PRESTON

Ed Reed. He sounds like a partner in a law firm.

Ed Reed?

Isn't he someone's stockbroker?

Actually, Reed was the No. 1 draft pick of the Ravens yesterday, the 24th selection overall. The experts and the Ravens agree he was the leader of top-ranked University of Miami's defense last fall, and that the free safety from Saint Rose, La., plays with the same passion as Ray Lewis.

But no one was jumping up and down at the team's Owings Mills complex when Reed's name was called. It was like Reed had just been drafted into the Army instead of the National Football League.

Another draft, just another player.

Ed Reed's name had no juice.

Now, don't get me wrong. Ed Reed was the second-best safety in college football, and was the second one selected yesterday behind Oklahoma's Roy Williams, the eighth player taken overall by Dallas. He might just become the next Rod Woodson.

But he wasn't a top-10 pick, and didn't slip down the board. And that's what made the Ravens' drafts so exciting in past years. They always came away with something that seemed so special.

Offensive tackle Jonathan Ogden was special because he was the first Ravens player ever drafted, and Lewis was the second. Peter Boulware had the reputation of being the nation's best pass rusher in 1997, and then came two cornerbacks in the next two drafts, Duane Starks and Chris McAlister, both No. 10 overall.

The Ravens selected running back Jamal Lewis and wide receiver Travis Taylor in the first round two years ago to jazz up their offense, and the Ravens were smiling all over themselves last year when Todd Heap, rated the best tight end in the draft, fell to them at No. 31, the last spot in the first round.

But there was no magic yesterday, just Ed Reed.

The Ravens had their eyes on three players who they thought might slip to them in the first round, including Boston College running back William Green, Arizona State offensive tackle Levi Jones and Northwestern linebacker Napoleon Harris.

The selection of Green would have been fun, because it would have been interesting to see him run in training camp, just as it was to see if Ogden could make the transition from college tackle to pro guard. Or to see if Lewis was big enough to play in the middle.

There was a fascination with the pure instincts of Boulware, making the transition from college defensive end to outside linebacker, and to see how much immediate impact Jamal Lewis and Taylor were going to have on a struggling offense.

But Green went to Cleveland at No. 16, and Jones went to Cincinnati at No. 10. Harris was taken by Oakland one spot ahead of the Ravens.

The magic was gone. The Ravens were left with good, old Ed Reed.

"None, we got wiped out," said Ozzie Newsome, the Ravens' senior vice president of football operations, about his top three. "The thing you learn in this business is that you don't have control of other people's war rooms. You understand why we had a liking for those guys when they go that high. This was a very easy pick for us. When we got to pick No. 22, we had two players left. We had already called in Reed, but we made sure we fielded all calls (while the Ravens were on the clock)."

When Ravens team officials walked into the news conference to talk about Reed, there wasn't much excitement. Last year, Newsome and Phil Savage, the team's director of scouting, traded high fives across the table when they found out Heap was still available. Owner Art Modell cracked a lot of jokes, and coach Brian Billick once asked to be pinched because he thought he was dreaming.

Yesterday, it seemed like they were in Mudville.

"He is not 6 feet, not a 4.4, not this, not that, just a football player," said Savage of the 5-11, 205-pound Ed Reed. "We're excited about Ed Reed, and the coaching staff is excited about having Ed Reed here, too."

Said Newsome: "The thing that really sold me on him is every time we watched Miami's defense, and they needed a play to be made, Ed Reed made that play. When they needed a fire to be put out, Ed Reed put the fire out."

Ed Reed will probably become a good player because the Ravens have a pretty impressive draft record. The selection of Ed Reed allows them to move Gary Baxter, a second-year player drafted in the second round, from safety to starting cornerback even though Baxter is slow coming out of his backpedal.

Ed Reed was a four-year starter at Miami, and finished with 288 tackles. He had a school-record 21 interceptions as well as a school-record 54 pass deflections.

Miami has a great tradition. It's the school that produced Ray Lewis. That might have been a selling point yesterday, but Ed Reed said he has never met Ray Lewis.

That figures. Ed Reed says he has been to Baltimore only once, and that was recently to work out. He plays a position that really doesn't stick out, a spot that only appears to provide support for the others.

Safety. Ed Reed. It was a good choice, but just didn't create the buzz of past No. 1 selections.
 
I don't know if this is the thread for this or not, but Eric DeCosta of the Ravens' personnel department had an interesting quote in today's paper. He admitted that when they picked Ed Reed at No. 24 in '02, they actually had someone else in mind instead but the other guy got picked just before. For all the good work Ozzie and his staff have done over the years, sometimes you need some luck, too.
Like Bellichick taking Brady over Rattay b/c he was taller.
 
If your team fails to pick the player you want, it's not necessarily because the GM is a moron who should be fired immediately. It may just be because he's working from a set of information that differs from yours.
A dart with an ivy league education isn't necessarily more accurate then a dart that went to community college. Just sayin'
 
I don't know if this is the thread for this or not, but Eric DeCosta of the Ravens' personnel department had an interesting quote in today's paper. He admitted that when they picked Ed Reed at No. 24 in '02, they actually had someone else in mind instead but the other guy got picked just before. For all the good work Ozzie and his staff have done over the years, sometimes you need some luck, too.
It was Napoleon Harris.Here's the column Mike Preston wrote about Ed Reed's selection. I email it to him about twice a season. Just to remind him he's an idiot. But it's clear from reading it that he was just reporting what the Ravens were feeling/saying in private and that they weren't that thrilled with Reed.

HEADLINE: Let's face it: Reed is a pick without pizazz

BYLINE: MIKE PRESTON

Ed Reed. He sounds like a partner in a law firm.

Ed Reed?

Isn't he someone's stockbroker?

Actually, Reed was the No. 1 draft pick of the Ravens yesterday, the 24th selection overall. The experts and the Ravens agree he was the leader of top-ranked University of Miami's defense last fall, and that the free safety from Saint Rose, La., plays with the same passion as Ray Lewis.

But no one was jumping up and down at the team's Owings Mills complex when Reed's name was called. It was like Reed had just been drafted into the Army instead of the National Football League.

Another draft, just another player.

Ed Reed's name had no juice.

Now, don't get me wrong. Ed Reed was the second-best safety in college football, and was the second one selected yesterday behind Oklahoma's Roy Williams, the eighth player taken overall by Dallas. He might just become the next Rod Woodson.

But he wasn't a top-10 pick, and didn't slip down the board. And that's what made the Ravens' drafts so exciting in past years. They always came away with something that seemed so special.

Offensive tackle Jonathan Ogden was special because he was the first Ravens player ever drafted, and Lewis was the second. Peter Boulware had the reputation of being the nation's best pass rusher in 1997, and then came two cornerbacks in the next two drafts, Duane Starks and Chris McAlister, both No. 10 overall.

The Ravens selected running back Jamal Lewis and wide receiver Travis Taylor in the first round two years ago to jazz up their offense, and the Ravens were smiling all over themselves last year when Todd Heap, rated the best tight end in the draft, fell to them at No. 31, the last spot in the first round.

But there was no magic yesterday, just Ed Reed.

The Ravens had their eyes on three players who they thought might slip to them in the first round, including Boston College running back William Green, Arizona State offensive tackle Levi Jones and Northwestern linebacker Napoleon Harris.

The selection of Green would have been fun, because it would have been interesting to see him run in training camp, just as it was to see if Ogden could make the transition from college tackle to pro guard. Or to see if Lewis was big enough to play in the middle.

There was a fascination with the pure instincts of Boulware, making the transition from college defensive end to outside linebacker, and to see how much immediate impact Jamal Lewis and Taylor were going to have on a struggling offense.

But Green went to Cleveland at No. 16, and Jones went to Cincinnati at No. 10. Harris was taken by Oakland one spot ahead of the Ravens.

The magic was gone. The Ravens were left with good, old Ed Reed.

"None, we got wiped out," said Ozzie Newsome, the Ravens' senior vice president of football operations, about his top three. "The thing you learn in this business is that you don't have control of other people's war rooms. You understand why we had a liking for those guys when they go that high. This was a very easy pick for us. When we got to pick No. 22, we had two players left. We had already called in Reed, but we made sure we fielded all calls (while the Ravens were on the clock)."

When Ravens team officials walked into the news conference to talk about Reed, there wasn't much excitement. Last year, Newsome and Phil Savage, the team's director of scouting, traded high fives across the table when they found out Heap was still available. Owner Art Modell cracked a lot of jokes, and coach Brian Billick once asked to be pinched because he thought he was dreaming.

Yesterday, it seemed like they were in Mudville.

"He is not 6 feet, not a 4.4, not this, not that, just a football player," said Savage of the 5-11, 205-pound Ed Reed. "We're excited about Ed Reed, and the coaching staff is excited about having Ed Reed here, too."

Said Newsome: "The thing that really sold me on him is every time we watched Miami's defense, and they needed a play to be made, Ed Reed made that play. When they needed a fire to be put out, Ed Reed put the fire out."

Ed Reed will probably become a good player because the Ravens have a pretty impressive draft record. The selection of Ed Reed allows them to move Gary Baxter, a second-year player drafted in the second round, from safety to starting cornerback even though Baxter is slow coming out of his backpedal.

Ed Reed was a four-year starter at Miami, and finished with 288 tackles. He had a school-record 21 interceptions as well as a school-record 54 pass deflections.

Miami has a great tradition. It's the school that produced Ray Lewis. That might have been a selling point yesterday, but Ed Reed said he has never met Ray Lewis.

That figures. Ed Reed says he has been to Baltimore only once, and that was recently to work out. He plays a position that really doesn't stick out, a spot that only appears to provide support for the others.

Safety. Ed Reed. It was a good choice, but just didn't create the buzz of past No. 1 selections.
:lmao: I love the picture of that blowhard seeing your email every six months. Simmons said the most exciting moment in the NFL was whenever Ed Reed intercepted a pass.
 
Keep in mind that many NFL GMs have their internet access restricted at work. As a result, they probably haven't gotten to watch all the same YouTube highlight videos that you and I have seen.

If your team fails to pick the player you want, it's not necessarily because the GM is a moron who should be fired immediately. It may just be because he's working from a set of information that differs from yours.
1. Glad to see the San Diego apologists starting early2. It is crystal clear from browsing thru the draft history that a lot of GMs in the NFL don't know squat about putting teams together. Did Matt Millen do a good job of drafting? I would bet Bloom could have put a team together better than Matt Millen did for his time in Detroit. DOn't come in here and post like the children of the Shark Pool have no clue what is going on in the NFL. Does every paid professional do their job well? NO!!!

So MT, you sit there tonight and tell yourself that AJ Smith is God and can do no wrong and you shouldn't judge, blah blah blah, but the rest of us will be passing out grades tonight and believe me, those that score low in the court of public opinion are going to be roasted over an open fire tonight in here. So you just stand back and observe, don't make a strong opinion on anything tonight and the rest of us will have it.

Cheers,

MOP
I've seen a lot of the court of public opinion and it pretty much blows.
 
Keep in mind that many NFL GMs have their internet access restricted at work. As a result, they probably haven't gotten to watch all the same YouTube highlight videos that you and I have seen.

If your team fails to pick the player you want, it's not necessarily because the GM is a moron who should be fired immediately. It may just be because he's working from a set of information that differs from yours.
1. Glad to see the San Diego apologists starting early2. It is crystal clear from browsing thru the draft history that a lot of GMs in the NFL don't know squat about putting teams together. Did Matt Millen do a good job of drafting? I would bet Bloom could have put a team together better than Matt Millen did for his time in Detroit. DOn't come in here and post like the children of the Shark Pool have no clue what is going on in the NFL. Does every paid professional do their job well? NO!!!

So MT, you sit there tonight and tell yourself that AJ Smith is God and can do no wrong and you shouldn't judge, blah blah blah, but the rest of us will be passing out grades tonight and believe me, those that score low in the court of public opinion are going to be roasted over an open fire tonight in here. So you just stand back and observe, don't make a strong opinion on anything tonight and the rest of us will have it.

Cheers,

MOP
Millen had no experience outside being a football player and tv commnetator, so he is the best example of what an outsider would face when taking over a team. My guess is that the first handful of years many of the "scouts" on this board we like would struggle a bit more than it seems, but if given eight years to figure it out many us of on the board ( I mean there are people who are lawyers, PHDs, engineers, business owners, or just have a decent ability to learn) would at least figure out mediocrity unlike Millen.
As always, excelent post, great points, touche!
 

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