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2010 Carolina Starting QB (1 Viewer)
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PranksterJD
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Pasquino with a solid call. John Fox plays his veterans. Moore will start the season.
How long he lasts..... we'll see.
How long he lasts..... we'll see.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Moore has won 6 of his 8 starts. His last 5 starts he was the 2nd highest rated qb in the NFL.
Moore for sure, unless he's injured. Clausen will be given time to learn the game from the sidelines (one year, maybe two depending on how Moore performs in 2010). This is a good thing, assuming that the Panthers add some WRs/TEs later in the draft. Clausen can develop along with other youngsters while the Panthers grind-it-out in 2010.
Once he's ready to hit the field, he'll be simpatico with his targets. I like the move, personally.
Once he's ready to hit the field, he'll be simpatico with his targets. I like the move, personally.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Moore unless he gets hurt in preseason.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Yellow Line is Unoffcial
Footballguy
Clausen won't see the field in the regular season
pantherclub
Footballguy
Just curious but why do you like this? Moore has proven he can play and play well in the NFL and then they go and draft him? Makes no sense to me as a panther fan.
pantherclub
Footballguy
The stats speak for themselves plus the fact that they just signed him to a nice extension. The panthers need help at WR, DL and safety not some project qb that will not help in the short term. Moore has to be fuming right now
omally
Footballguy
It makes perfect sense to me as a Panther fan. Moore has been with the Panthers for 3 years (this will be his 4th), and he signed a one year contract for this season. The Panthers have no real backup to Moore, and Clausen can learn the ropes while Matt starts. Matt did well last year, and hopefully he will do well this year. Clausen doesn't have to start next year if Matt does well, but at least he will be on the team and be learning, and he there if Matt struggles or gets hurt (incase you don't remember Matt broke his leg the year before last). I like the pick.
omally
Footballguy
Nice extension? He signed a one year deal.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Sure, filling other needs would be nice, but I think they probably just got the best QB in the draft with the 48th pick. Good pick.Clausen may not have the upside Bradford has, but he's certainly not a "project QB".
I don't view this move as an indictment of Moore's ability, but rather an investment in the team's future. Aaron Rodgers waited patiently behind Favre for years (not that I'm comparing Moore to Favre, but the developmental aspect for Clausen is similar) - and that worked out pretty well for the Packers when they and Favre finally parted ways. See also Joe Montana/Steve Young and how that played out.Allowing a young QB to ride the pine for a year (or a few years) and learn the ropes used to be the preferred method for schooling a QB in the pro game. The Panthers are in a position to follow that blueprint, and IMO it's a good way to bring along your next franchise QB. Inserting a rookie into the lineup a la David Carr often results in an outcome like we've seen with David Carr (and many many other failed QBs at the NFL level rushed into the lineup before they were ready). That's why I like the pick, and the situation that Clausen has landed in.
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pantherclub
Footballguy
I think his draft position surely says he is. If he is a can't miss why is he going in the top half of the 2nd?
pantherclub
Footballguy
Not really, they dont have a #2 wr or even a #3 for that matter plus there is the small issue of DL they have to address. I am just bummed about this pick. I watched a ton of ND games this year and just was not impressed with Jimmy. Moore has waited his turn, has the arm and athletic ability and shown he can run a mistake free game. Just not sure of the logic of the Panthers here.
Very few QBs are "can't miss" picks. At 48th pick (mid-second) when Clausen was graded as a mid-first round pick is undeniably a "value" pick IMO. He's experienced in a pro-style offense, and is in a position to learn the pro game from the sidelines/film room/working as the second-stringer for a year or two. There a lot of talented WRs still on the board for the Panthers to pick up at #78 (only one selected so far in the second round - Golden Tate is still on the board as I write this...)
pantherclub
Footballguy
Maybe "cant miss" was the wrong phrase to use. But who graded him as a first round talent because it looks to me that most teams skipped drafting him and a lot of teams passed him over twice. That tells me that the Panthers could have gotten another player in the 2nd and probably either Jimmy or Colt would have been there in the 3rd. Again I just think the Panthers have way bigger issues then a back up qb at this point and one that will start a dreaded qb controversy in the near future. To my recollection Moore has never had a "bad" game as a panther. I am just trying to wrap my mind around why they would do this pick.
The Commish
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Just logging in to see what's up. Was Golden Tate already taken?
ETA: Nevermind....as I was typing, I see Seattle drafted him
By all accounts, Carolina is mailing it in for 2010 and hoping to come out in a good position after the labor negotiations.
ETA: Nevermind....as I was typing, I see Seattle drafted him
By all accounts, Carolina is mailing it in for 2010 and hoping to come out in a good position after the labor negotiations.
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pollardsvision
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Obviously, he can miss. As in most years, there isn't a "can't miss QB" in this draft. I don't think Bradford's any more of sure thing than Clausen is. Bradford played 2 years. 2 of his teammates got taken in the top 4. He didn't get hit much. When he did, he had a bad habit of not getting up. Clausen isn't the best prospect ever, but his arm is good enough, he makes good decisions with the football, and we've seen that he can handle a certain amount of adversity on the field. I think we've got a decent chance to have an Alex Smith-Aaron Rodgers type situation here.
pantherclub
Footballguy
noneither was the guy from Illi, Mays from USC or the other wr from USC.
I wouldn't go as far as Jeff here, but remember Moore looked very good against a tough second half schedule last year. He beats the Vikings, Giants, (Bucs) and Saints (w/o Brees). 4-1 as a starter in 09. He's got the gig for 2010 unless he gets injured. It will be fun to see Clausen play in pre season and watch him learn and develop in a very comfortable offense for him to learn from. I too like the pick, the more it sinks in.
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pantherclub
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Dang, I was hoping he'd land in Carolina at #78 - woulda been a nice tandem there with comfort level for Clausen....Just logging in to see what's up. Was Golden Tate already taken?ETA: Nevermind....as I was typing, I see Seattle drafted him
cstu
Footballguy
They did this because they aren't sold on Moore's ability to be the long-term QB. A lot of QB's have looked good in limited play but couldn't continue it. A middle 2nd is cheap insurance in case Moore doesn't pan out and at worst Clausen will be a decent backup. I'm a little surprised you think so much of Moore when most people have been questioning whether last season was a fluke.
pantherclub
Footballguy
I love your posts so I will ask you. Why do you like this pick? Outside of an injury to Moore what is the best case scenario for Jimmy? A seasoned vet would be more beneficial then a rookie in this scenario for the Cats. If moore plays like he did in 09 then Claussen will never see the light of day. Makes no sense to me. Its almost as if we invested vital practice and game time into Moore but draft Claussen to make him expendable when the time comes.I wouldn't go as far as Jeff here, but remember Moore looked very good against a tough second half schedule last year. He beats the Vikings, Giants, (Bucs) and Saints (w/o Brees). 4-1 as a starter in 09. He's got the gig for 2010 unless he gets injured. It will be fun to see Clausen play in pre season and watch him learn and develop in a very comfortable offense for him to learn from. I too like the pick, the more it sinks in.Moore will be the steal for both redraft and Dynasty drafts.
The Commish
Footballguy
At this point, I want no part of ANY wr from USC. All this pick tells me is that they aren't really thinking about success for this year and are planning for the future.
pantherclub
Footballguy
I have probably seen every moore snap he has ever played. The dude is not a fluke. He can air it out when needed and he is conservative and a game manager as well. I would say his end of the year last year would be enough of a sample size to see he is the real deal
The Commish
Footballguy
He shouldn't have even been an option for Carolina IMO.Dang, I was hoping he'd land in Carolina at #78 - woulda been a nice tandem there with comfort level for Clausen....Just logging in to see what's up. Was Golden Tate already taken?ETA: Nevermind....as I was typing, I see Seattle drafted him
One of the experienced draft experts that I read (besides Matt Waldman, Cecil Lammey and Sigmund Bloom, who are all my colleagues here - in March I had the opportunity to listen to all three of them break down their opinions about the offensive skill position players in the 2010 draft at QB, RB, WR, and TE in person) is Jerry Jones, who writes the Drugstore List (a draft guide in it's 33rd year of print) - Clausen rated as a potential a top-10 pick.
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
Dude, when did you become a Panther fan? Didn't you use to be a Jaguar fan? At any rate, welcome aboard. I like the Clausen pick. The Cats do have several needs, but QB was one of them, and I think getting Clausen in the mid second was too good to pass on. Moore needed a backup, and I like that we just drafted one that is young and can learn on the sidelines. We can still address our other needs in the draft, and after the draft.
John Fox doesn't exactly have a track record of high pick QBs, but my thinking is they decided to draft Clausen so he can be eased into the pro game. 10-15 years ago, rookie QBs rarely saw the field in the first year. The league has gotten away from it and some have flourished as a rookie, but more have improved with a year under their belt, or in some cases two (Carson Palmer, Aaron Rodgers, etc). The QB position is very important and before the pick they had Matt Moore and Hunter Cantwell. Sometimes you have to plan for the future with your picks (especially at QB) and that's exactly what Carolina did. Clausen can now come in, learn the ropes of the NFL, learn the Panthers offense and be ready to go when his name is called. Hopefully it won't be for awhile. If and when that time comes, they have a solid QB with a pedigree of talent and ability. If all things go well, Carolina has a QB of the future that could be a pro-bowl player down the road. The fact that Carolina has a solid OL, a solid running game and a good (hopefully improving) receiving game is great for Clausen. If he was thrown into the mix with say a team like STL or CLE that has holes on the OL and offense in general, it may have slowed his maturation process as a QB. In Carolina, he can take his time to develop. It's really a very good place for him to be and a good player for Carolina to have.I love your posts so I will ask you. Why do you like this pick? Outside of an injury to Moore what is the best case scenario for Jimmy? A seasoned vet would be more beneficial then a rookie in this scenario for the Cats. If moore plays like he did in 09 then Claussen will never see the light of day. Makes no sense to me. Its almost as if we invested vital practice and game time into Moore but draft Claussen to make him expendable when the time comes.I wouldn't go as far as Jeff here, but remember Moore looked very good against a tough second half schedule last year. He beats the Vikings, Giants, (Bucs) and Saints (w/o Brees). 4-1 as a starter in 09. He's got the gig for 2010 unless he gets injured. It will be fun to see Clausen play in pre season and watch him learn and develop in a very comfortable offense for him to learn from. I too like the pick, the more it sinks in.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I think his draft position surely says he is. If he is a can't miss why is he going in the top half of the 2nd?
Obviously, he can miss. As in most years, there isn't a "can't miss QB" in this draft.
What means this?
We have our Aaron Rodgers. We have someone that has waited in the wings, learned the offense and then showed he could play. Again moore was the 2nd highest rated qb the last quarter of the season and he has won 6 of the 8 games he has started. Why rock the boat?
I think Bradford and Clausen have roughly the same chance at success (even before you factor Bradford's rough situation). Rams sunk 1.01 and probably $50 mill. guaranteed to take their gamble. The Rams will pay for a long time if they're wrong. If the Panthers are wrong, it's not a huge deal.
I like Moore. I hope he succeeds. I think he can. The Panthers now have 2 young QBs. Both are still unknown, but both have potential. It's a good situation to be in. If Moore lights it up this year, then the Panthers have a great problem on their hands. If he struggles now or down the road, the Panthers have a nice option to consider.
The best part is, unlike many of these situations, the Panthers won't have a bunch of pressure to get Clausen in soon (or ever, really). He's only a mid 2nd round pick.
Obviously, he can miss. As in most years, there isn't a "can't miss QB" in this draft.
What means this?
We have our Aaron Rodgers. We have someone that has waited in the wings, learned the offense and then showed he could play. Again moore was the 2nd highest rated qb the last quarter of the season and he has won 6 of the 8 games he has started. Why rock the boat?
I think Bradford and Clausen have roughly the same chance at success (even before you factor Bradford's rough situation). Rams sunk 1.01 and probably $50 mill. guaranteed to take their gamble. The Rams will pay for a long time if they're wrong. If the Panthers are wrong, it's not a huge deal.
I like Moore. I hope he succeeds. I think he can. The Panthers now have 2 young QBs. Both are still unknown, but both have potential. It's a good situation to be in. If Moore lights it up this year, then the Panthers have a great problem on their hands. If he struggles now or down the road, the Panthers have a nice option to consider.
The best part is, unlike many of these situations, the Panthers won't have a bunch of pressure to get Clausen in soon (or ever, really). He's only a mid 2nd round pick.
pantherclub
Footballguy
this is the truth and this is probably the most disappointing for me. The Panthers are really not that far off from being a really good team.
The Commish
Footballguy
Might as well add Edwards as a poll option
ETA: What's worse, Carolina gave up their second round pick next year to move up?? Really?
ETA: What's worse, Carolina gave up their second round pick next year to move up?? Really?
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pantherclub
Footballguy
Its brutally obvious that both Fox and Hurney are both drunk at this point.
Jayrok
Footballguy
John Fox doesn't exactly have a track record of high pick QBs, but my thinking is they decided to draft Clausen so he can be eased into the pro game. 10-15 years ago, rookie QBs rarely saw the field in the first year. The league has gotten away from it and some have flourished as a rookie, but more have improved with a year under their belt, or in some cases two (Carson Palmer, Aaron Rodgers, etc). The QB position is very important and before the pick they had Matt Moore and Hunter Cantwell. Sometimes you have to plan for the future with your picks (especially at QB) and that's exactly what Carolina did. Clausen can now come in, learn the ropes of the NFL, learn the Panthers offense and be ready to go when his name is called. Hopefully it won't be for awhile. If and when that time comes, they have a solid QB with a pedigree of talent and ability. If all things go well, Carolina has a QB of the future that could be a pro-bowl player down the road. The fact that Carolina has a solid OL, a solid running game and a good (hopefully improving) receiving game is great for Clausen. If he was thrown into the mix with say a team like STL or CLE that has holes on the OL and offense in general, it may have slowed his maturation process as a QB. In Carolina, he can take his time to develop. It's really a very good place for him to be and a good player for Carolina to have.I love your posts so I will ask you. Why do you like this pick? Outside of an injury to Moore what is the best case scenario for Jimmy? A seasoned vet would be more beneficial then a rookie in this scenario for the Cats. If moore plays like he did in 09 then Claussen will never see the light of day. Makes no sense to me. Its almost as if we invested vital practice and game time into Moore but draft Claussen to make him expendable when the time comes.I wouldn't go as far as Jeff here, but remember Moore looked very good against a tough second half schedule last year. He beats the Vikings, Giants, (Bucs) and Saints (w/o Brees). 4-1 as a starter in 09. He's got the gig for 2010 unless he gets injured. It will be fun to see Clausen play in pre season and watch him learn and develop in a very comfortable offense for him to learn from. I too like the pick, the more it sinks in.
I like the Clausen pick. He wouldn't have to be like Matt Stafford in Detroit last year. Same goes for Moore. A solid running game helps a young QB gain experience and confidence in the offense. And cuts down on scenarios where he might otherwise make bad decisions down field. Last season Matt Ryan was helped by a good running game behind M. Turner. He didn't have to air it out every game. Whether Moore or Clausen starts, I think it is a good investment for the Panthers. Too often QBs don't pan out but every now and then... you never know, maybe he turns out to be special. I'd be happy if Moore continues to succeed as well.
omally
Footballguy
The Panthers weren't the only team interested in drafting Armanti. Word is they want to use him as a slot receiver and kick returner. I think he is a great football player, so it will be interesting to see how his skills translate as a WR and KR. We trade every year, so I'm not that concerned about giving up a 2nd for him.Might as well add Edwards as a poll option
pantherclub
Footballguy
Trading a 2nd to get him? Someone who has never played that position? Wtf are the panthers doing at this point? Matt jones comes to mind.The Panthers weren't the only team interested in drafting Armanti. Word is they want to use him as a slot receiver and kick returner. I think he is a great football player, so it will be interesting to see how his skills translate as a WR and KR. We trade every year, so I'm not that concerned about giving up a 2nd for him.Might as well add Edwards as a poll option
omally
Footballguy
I'm sure whatever the Panthers have in mind you won't like it.
pantherclub
Footballguy
So you like this pick?Trading a 2nd round pick for a slot wr that has never played slot wr. No I dont like it at all.
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Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
moore. dumb poll. this is john fox.
ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
if Moore was a high pick himself this would be identical to the packers drafting Brian Brohm in the 2nd round when Rodgers was just annointed starter. packers took Brohm just incase Rodgers faceplanted/team needed a backup/got what they thought was tremendous value at the time. packers were insanely talented thru the air where the panthers are insanely talented on the ground however.
