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Santana Moss, WR, Washington Redskins (1 Viewer)

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This is an FBG and Shark Pool special here. All the elements are there for a nice season.

1. He's 30+ years old and for many owners that's ancient.

2. Hasn't had a great season the past couple years. He is a distant memory for some at this point.

3. He has a track record meaning he has had a couple of big years on his resume so he's proven even if he is inconsistent from year to year. Hasn't had the best QB situation all the time either throwing him the football.

4. No one with the arm of McNabb has ever really been slinging it to him, now he will have one of the league's all time best throwing the ball, that has to improve his situation.

5. Who is gonna pass him on the depth charts? he's the number 1 option and almost the only option at WR for the moment.

80-1,100-7Td

Solid numbers and a decent chance to creep up into the top20.

 
all i can say is:

Devin Thomas

BUT, Moss does have upside since McScabb is there......borderline 3/4 in ppr leagues

 
Finally! Santana Moss has a real QB in WAS to throw him the ball. It was painful to see Campbell miss him deep all the time. Devin Thomas will certainly help Moss from constantly being double teamed.

That said, there should be a little bit of time to get adjusted to a new QB. But I see a nice year.

70 rec, 1000 yds, 7TD

 
Santana Moss is what he is. His final stat line will be around 70-100-5 but for all we know he could score all 5 of his tds in two weeks. Its possible McNabb could provide some consistency to his game

However, Moss is entering his 10th NFL season and on the wrong side of 30. If you can get him with low risk it is worth the shot but is not the kind of guy you want to rely on to score you points from week to week.

 
How's his health?

Is he a 30-year old guy who keeps himself in great shape and has stayed away from the knife?

Or is he an old and busted 30 who's playing on his third set of knees?

 
I think Moss could be a sneaky legit #1. I wouldn't pay that price for him, but you won't have to.

He has the talent to do it, he has proven that. All he has really needed is a scheme (coach/coordinator) and a QB. He now has both. McNabb likes to throw deep, which is Moss' bread and butter and the Shanahans like to throw period (and have supported some very nice stats from their first and second WRs).

Here are some interesting tidbits on Mike's #1 WRs over his last 5 years:

Marshall 104 1265 6

Marshall 102 1325 7

Walker 69 1084 8

Smith 85 1105 6

Smith 79 1144 7

Kyle has had Andre Johnson in his two year run but just for fun:

Johnson 101 1569 9

Johnson 115 1575 8

I know that is Andre Johnson we are talking about, but I would point out that those were BY FAR the best two years of his career.

Not too shabby. Granted, these are some pretty good receivers (though Smith was near the end of his run obviously and he still put up nice numbers), but like I said, I believe Moss is pretty talented too.

The risk factor is that with any new regime, you never really know who the go-to guys are going to be. I think the odds are pretty good it will end up being Moss, but that's not a lock which downgrades his value a bit.

All in all, Moss is a guy I would look for in a redraft that COULD put up a VERY good season (like a surprise top 5), and barring injury is likely to at least give you decent #2 WR stats. For where you are likely to be able to get him, that's nice.

 
I like Moss to have one of the best seasons of his career. McNabb is the best QB he has ever played with and Shanahan will know how to utilize his talents. He'll get more targets, catches and ypc.

I like him for 79 rec. 1100 yards, 7 TDs.

 
Thomsen said:
I like Moss to have one of the best seasons of his career. McNabb is the best QB he has ever played with and Shanahan will know how to utilize his talents. He'll get more targets, catches and ypc. I like him for 79 rec. 1100 yards, 7 TDs.
Initially when Shanahan and McNabb entered the picture, I thought what you just said. "Santana's gonna go off," I thought. But then I sat back and looked at his career. The ups and downs, the foot/groin/hammy issues, advancing age. Moss was still lethal as recently as Sept/Oct 2008 (top-5 fantasy WR in that stretch) but I wonder if that was his last burst of stardom.I can't get on the bandwagon... but I bet Moss has 3-4 big (like 120-160 yds) games sandwiched in with a few injury-marred weeks. I hope he stays healthy because he's fun to watch.67 rec, 1021 yards, 6 rec TDs
 
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Moss will probably have one of his best seasons as a Redskin. Mcnabb will be able to reach him like he did DeSean, very similar abilities between Moss and DeSean. Moss has lost a bit of his explosiveness but the guy can still motor. The only downfall between these two is McNabbs tendency to throw the ball about 3 feet too high and considering Santana's size.. doesn't look good.

 
Don't own him, don't know what to expect. This guy is an enigma. I expect one of his better years with a great QB in town.

My best guess -

800-1100-10

 
Santana Moss has a checkered history of success and then not. He has finished in the top ten WRs twice, but that was back in 03 and 05. Even with struggling QB play in Washington for the past decade, he has managed to have some success.

He has also had some difficulties playing a full season, missing games in five of his nine seasons. However, he has played all 16 games in the last two years. There is much stronger leadership in DC for 2010, starting with Dan Snyder seemingly backing off and allowing Shanahan and Allen to run the show. I have so much more confidence in Allen, Shanahan, McNabb. than 09's trio they replaced.

Recent change in the Ol also leads me to believe that the Redskins offense will be much improved both passing and running.

So, in the two previous years, Moss has averaged 129 targets 75 catches, 974 yards and 4.5 TDs, finishing as WR 17 in 08 and then WR 18 last year. Just a few more catches and a slight uptick in ypc with a couple of TDs and he solidly outperforms his current ADP of WR29 and 82 overall. Sounds like a viable value WR to target.

Assumption is no suspension for HGH.

Santana Moss 16 gms 135 targets 80 catches 1120 yards 14.0 ypc 6 TDs

 
Finally! Santana Moss has a real QB in WAS to throw him the ball. It was painful to see Campbell miss him deep all the time. Devin Thomas will certainly help Moss from constantly being double teamed.

That said, there should be a little bit of time to get adjusted to a new QB. But I see a nice year.

70 rec, 1000 yds, 7TD
How? he might be the worst #2 Wr in the league. Well, at least in the bottom 8. If anyone will keep him from being double covered it will be Cooley. Things do seem to be lined up well for Moss this year with Mcnabb there. But remember, before TO came to the Eagles, i dont think Mcnabb ever had a 1000 yard WR. Moss has had his YPC drop every year since 2004. Maybe Mcnabbs strong arm can help that, but i think the trend continues.66 rec. 827 yards, 3 TD's

 
67 rec, 1021 yards, 6 rec TDs
I think this is about right. There will be a lot of 2-TE sets with Cooley and Davis, both of whom are excellent receivers, and we all know that McNabb loves to target his TE's. The running game will be solid. Moss will be productive, but I don't see him blowing up. He's a WR2 in fantasy.
 
Santana Moss is one of my must own sleeper guys this year. I can see McNabb picking up with Moss where he left of with D. Jackson. Moss has been on the verge of a #1 WR, except for a dismal 2009. Moss has had 3td games with a sub-par QB, now with McNabb, the sky is the limit. And do you think Washington's RBs are gonna be the focus of this offense. No, its McNabb!!! My projection for Santana Moss:

85rec, 1200yds, 10TDs

 
Santana Moss is one of my must own sleeper guys this year. I can see McNabb picking up with Moss where he left of with D. Jackson. Moss has been on the verge of a #1 WR, except for a dismal 2009. Moss has had 3td games with a sub-par QB, now with McNabb, the sky is the limit. And do you think Washington's RBs are gonna be the focus of this offense. No, its McNabb!!! My projection for Santana Moss:85rec, 1200yds, 10TDs
I'm buying. Must have 3rd WR with weekly starter material.
 
Just got him in round 7 as my wr3, he will win his owners 3 games alone this year. He will be a feast or famine type player but the feasts will be of the 30 point variety

 
jaylasoul14 said:
Just got him in round 7 as my wr3, he will win his owners 3 games alone this year. He will be a feast or famine type player but the feasts will be of the 30 point variety
I realize you just had your draft, but can you please stop bumping these threads with the round you got someone in? Nobody cares.
 
Feels to me like a 1050 yard & 7 TD year for Santana. McNabb will greatly help, but teams will try to take Moss away w/ Thomas & Galloway not providing much of a WR2 threat. Cooley will help loosen things a bit, and if Portis stays healthy, then Santana will have a very nice year. He's a round 7-8 steal or a $4-$5 auction guy. Either way, very low risk/high reward guy.

 
16 receptions and 166 yards for Santana in the first two games this season. Donovan McNabb has rejuvenated this guy and the Redskins' offense as a whole.

Washington is moving Moss all over the field and targeting him in different situations. McNabb just missed him for a game winning TD against Houston.

Get him in your lineup this week against the Rams. :lmao:

 
16 receptions and 166 yards for Santana in the first two games this season. Donovan McNabb has rejuvenated this guy and the Redskins' offense as a whole.Washington is moving Moss all over the field and targeting him in different situations. McNabb just missed him for a game winning TD against Houston. Get him in your lineup this week against the Rams. :goodposting:
I'm surprised at how much they're using him in slot and underneath routes given that his hands aren't great. It's clearly working though.
 
If he can keep this up for 1 or 2 more games he may pass the consistency test to knock his way into my starting lineup. TDs probably will be low but I seem him very easily being a 1000 yard receiver this year if not 1100 or 1200.

 

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