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Pierre Thomas, RB, New Orleans Saints (1 Viewer)

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Thomas's value is hard to gauge because there's uncertainty about the coaching staff's level of commitment to him. However, his touches will definately increase but I dont expect too much of a jump from his 2009 stats.

190 carries 900 yds, 8-10 tds, 42 rec 375 yds 3tds.

 
I think the Saints realize PT's value. You'd have to be a damn fool not to. Trading Jammal Brown and releasing McCray are most likely moves to free up some cash to get him extended.

As for playing time, Mike Bell earned his last year by playing very well when PT was out. I don't think it was a question of them not trusting PT, they were just trying to keep everybody healthy for the postseason. I'm sure that Hamilton will see his role expand, but IMO he is not as good as Bell and won't get nearly as big a piece of the pie.

PT should be getting significantly more carries (as should Bush, who really turned the corner as a runner).

220 carries, 1100 yards, 8 TD; 30 rec., 250 yards, 3 TD

 
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I am not sold on Pierre Thomas carrying the load for the entire season for New Orleans. He looked primed last year after a very solid end to the season in 08 but last year he didn't live up to his expecations. The Saints have a lot of weapons and seem to be a team that likes to pass the ball first. I'm in the camp where Thomas will need to prove to me that he is the real deal.

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Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
I am not sold on Pierre Thomas carrying the load for the entire season for New Orleans. He looked primed last year after a very solid end to the season in 08 but last year he didn't live up to his expecations. The Saints have a lot of weapons and seem to be a team that likes to pass the ball first. I'm in the camp where Thomas will need to prove to me that he is the real deal.820 yards 6 td's 35 receptions 2 td's
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A few things:1) Didn't live up to expectations because of the workload he was give or the level of his production? He certainly didn't get enough carries to justify his FANTASY expectations, but he certainly performed at a pretty high level with what he did get2) The Saints were 7th in the NFL in rushing attempts and 15th in pass attempts. It's a misconception that they don't run the ball often. Add in their involvement in the passing game as well and there is definitely enough there to be fantasy relevant. The problem was that the pie was split amongst 3 RBs last year. With Bell gone, that may not be the case this year as I don't see Hamilton getting ~170 carries.3) I don't think Thomas needs to prove much. I think whether or not the Saints extend his contract and to what amount is going to answer my question as to what his workload will be this year. If he only gets close to the 4 yrs/$11 million they're offering, then my expectations will be tempered. If he gets close to what he's asking, closer to the 25-30 million range, then that will speak volumes to what they think of him and that the will likely use him more.
 
Sexual Harrassment Panda said:
I think the Saints realize PT's value. You'd have to be a damn fool not to. Trading Jammal Brown and releasing McCray are most likely moves to free up some cash to get him extended.As for playing time, Mike Bell earned his last year by playing very well when PT was out. I don't think it was a question of them not trusting PT, they were just trying to keep everybody healthy for the postseason. I'm sure that Hamilton will see his role expand, but IMO he is not as good as Bell and won't get nearly as big a piece of the pie.PT should be getting significantly more carries (as should Bush, who really turned the corner as a runner).220 carries, 1100 yards, 8 TD; 30 rec., 250 yards, 3 TD
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seems about right
 
gianmarco said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
I am not sold on Pierre Thomas carrying the load for the entire season for New Orleans. He looked primed last year after a very solid end to the season in 08 but last year he didn't live up to his expecations. The Saints have a lot of weapons and seem to be a team that likes to pass the ball first. I'm in the camp where Thomas will need to prove to me that he is the real deal.820 yards 6 td's 35 receptions 2 td's
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A few things:1) Didn't live up to expectations because of the workload he was give or the level of his production? He certainly didn't get enough carries to justify his FANTASY expectations, but he certainly performed at a pretty high level with what he did get2) The Saints were 7th in the NFL in rushing attempts and 15th in pass attempts. It's a misconception that they don't run the ball often. Add in their involvement in the passing game as well and there is definitely enough there to be fantasy relevant. The problem was that the pie was split amongst 3 RBs last year. With Bell gone, that may not be the case this year as I don't see Hamilton getting ~170 carries.3) I don't think Thomas needs to prove much. I think whether or not the Saints extend his contract and to what amount is going to answer my question as to what his workload will be this year. If he only gets close to the 4 yrs/$11 million they're offering, then my expectations will be tempered. If he gets close to what he's asking, closer to the 25-30 million range, then that will speak volumes to what they think of him and that the will likely use him more.
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I'm strictly speaking fantasy. He was right around a 3rd round pick last season and he simply didn't live up to that. He may have helped you guys win a SB but in a fantasy football perspective, he didn't produce at the level his owners would have expected.You are correct, the Saints did run the ball more than I thought, it just seems like even when they get near the goaline, sort of like the Colts it's no gaurantee they're going to try and bang it in there for 3 downs, they'd play action and use the best player on their offense which are their Qb's to make sure it's a Td.
 
I'll go ahead and say it. I'm projecting Hamilton to go ahead and get between 150-175 carries and to earn himself pretty close to a 50/50 split with Pierre Thomas. I just don't get the sense that the Saints view Pierre Thomas as an irreplaceable player and key cog to their offense. I could be wrong about Hamilton, but I think that the coaching staff will give him a chance to see if he's worth getting carries and there's a decent chance that he does. It's a shame because Pierre Thomas had himself a great season last year, and if he was the main back, he could easily be a top ten RB. And there's always a chance that Reggie Bush does something. Small chance, but then again, that's what I thought his chances were of staying with the team. I wouldn't touch Thomas as a top 15 or even a top 20 RB price. After that, his upside can get hard to ignore. Of course, Hamilton has nothing but upside and no price at all.

185 carries for 975 yards and 8 touchdowns with 40 receptions for 300 yards and 2 touchdowns.

 
MrTwo94 said:
gianmarco said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
I am not sold on Pierre Thomas carrying the load for the entire season for New Orleans. He looked primed last year after a very solid end to the season in 08 but last year he didn't live up to his expecations. The Saints have a lot of weapons and seem to be a team that likes to pass the ball first. I'm in the camp where Thomas will need to prove to me that he is the real deal.

820 yards 6 td's 35 receptions 2 td's
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A few things:1) Didn't live up to expectations because of the workload he was give or the level of his production? He certainly didn't get enough carries to justify his FANTASY expectations, but he certainly performed at a pretty high level with what he did get

2) The Saints were 7th in the NFL in rushing attempts and 15th in pass attempts. It's a misconception that they don't run the ball often. Add in their involvement in the passing game as well and there is definitely enough there to be fantasy relevant. The problem was that the pie was split amongst 3 RBs last year. With Bell gone, that may not be the case this year as I don't see Hamilton getting ~170 carries.

3) I don't think Thomas needs to prove much. I think whether or not the Saints extend his contract and to what amount is going to answer my question as to what his workload will be this year. If he only gets close to the 4 yrs/$11 million they're offering, then my expectations will be tempered. If he gets close to what he's asking, closer to the 25-30 million range, then that will speak volumes to what they think of him and that the will likely use him more.
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1) I don't think anyone expects Hamilton to get ~170 carries. Then again I don't think anyone expected Mike Bell to get 172 carries. 2) People have the perception that the Saints pass a lot and don't run a lot because in 2007 they had 655 passes to 362 RB rushes. In 2008 they had 635 passes to 371 RB rushes. Last year they bucked the trend and had 544 passes to 431 RB rushes.

Was last year the exception or the new rule? We can't really know for sure. If there is any regression to 2007 and 2008 form then the RB3 won't have to get very many touches to keep Pierre Thomas in fantasy purgatory. I recall Payton saying he liked Hamilton in goal line packages last year. Is there a reason why we think he's changed his mind? Even if Hamilton only get 50 carries next year, if most of them are inside the 5 then PT's value is lower at 220 carries than it would be at 180 if he was getting fed the rock at the goal line.

At RB18 and 38th overall (non-ppr), I think PT is a guy I'm going to be passing on even though I really like him as a player. He's not in too tough of company at RB18 (McCoy, Addai, Lisfranc Brown, and Forte come after him) but I'd rather be delving into solid WR value around that point or maybe even reaching for Gates. Although, if in desperate need for a running back at that point, I'd probably gamble on Brown. The guy has been very productive when not on the IR and PT is not exactly allergic to the injury report.
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Not sure if it was the exception to the new rule, but...2007: After reaching 7–7, the Saints lost their final two games to finish 7–9.

2008: The Saints ended the 2008 season 8-8. Failing to qualify for the post season for the second straight year.

2009: The 2009 season was the team's most successful season, which culminated in the franchise's first Superbowl championship.

...maybe they should.

 
MrTwo94 said:
gianmarco said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
I am not sold on Pierre Thomas carrying the load for the entire season for New Orleans. He looked primed last year after a very solid end to the season in 08 but last year he didn't live up to his expecations. The Saints have a lot of weapons and seem to be a team that likes to pass the ball first. I'm in the camp where Thomas will need to prove to me that he is the real deal.820 yards 6 td's 35 receptions 2 td's
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A few things:1) Didn't live up to expectations because of the workload he was give or the level of his production? He certainly didn't get enough carries to justify his FANTASY expectations, but he certainly performed at a pretty high level with what he did get2) The Saints were 7th in the NFL in rushing attempts and 15th in pass attempts. It's a misconception that they don't run the ball often. Add in their involvement in the passing game as well and there is definitely enough there to be fantasy relevant. The problem was that the pie was split amongst 3 RBs last year. With Bell gone, that may not be the case this year as I don't see Hamilton getting ~170 carries.3) I don't think Thomas needs to prove much. I think whether or not the Saints extend his contract and to what amount is going to answer my question as to what his workload will be this year. If he only gets close to the 4 yrs/$11 million they're offering, then my expectations will be tempered. If he gets close to what he's asking, closer to the 25-30 million range, then that will speak volumes to what they think of him and that the will likely use him more.
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1) I don't think anyone expects Hamilton to get ~170 carries. Then again I don't think anyone expected Mike Bell to get 172 carries. 2) People have the perception that the Saints pass a lot and don't run a lot because in 2007 they had 655 passes to 362 RB rushes. In 2008 they had 635 passes to 371 RB rushes. Last year they bucked the trend and had 544 passes to 431 RB rushes. Was last year the exception or the new rule? We can't really know for sure. If there is any regression to 2007 and 2008 form then the RB3 won't have to get very many touches to keep Pierre Thomas in fantasy purgatory. I recall Payton saying he liked Hamilton in goal line packages last year. Is there a reason why we think he's changed his mind? Even if Hamilton only get 50 carries next year, if most of them are inside the 5 then PT's value is lower at 220 carries than it would be at 180 if he was getting fed the rock at the goal line.At RB18 and 38th overall (non-ppr), I think PT is a guy I'm going to be passing on even though I really like him as a player. He's not in too tough of company at RB18 (McCoy, Addai, Lisfranc Brown, and Forte come after him) but I'd rather be delving into solid WR value around that point or maybe even reaching for Gates. Although, if in desperate need for a running back at that point, I'd probably gamble on Brown. The guy has been very productive when not on the IR and PT is not exactly allergic to the injury report.
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Even if they are not a 'rushing' team the Saints have completed well over 100 passes each of those 3 seasons to their RBs and they have quality RB TD production to. 2007- 15 combined TDs for RBs, 2008- 26, 2009- 26. There is plenty of room for a health back in that system to grab 1,500 yards and 12 TDs.
 
Creed Bratton said:
I'll go ahead and say it. I'm projecting Hamilton to go ahead and get between 150-175 carries and to earn himself pretty close to a 50/50 split with Pierre Thomas. I just don't get the sense that the Saints view Pierre Thomas as an irreplaceable player and key cog to their offense. I could be wrong about Hamilton, but I think that the coaching staff will give him a chance to see if he's worth getting carries and there's a decent chance that he does. It's a shame because Pierre Thomas had himself a great season last year, and if he was the main back, he could easily be a top ten RB. And there's always a chance that Reggie Bush does something. Small chance, but then again, that's what I thought his chances were of staying with the team. I wouldn't touch Thomas as a top 15 or even a top 20 RB price. After that, his upside can get hard to ignore. Of course, Hamilton has nothing but upside and no price at all. 185 carries for 975 yards and 8 touchdowns with 40 receptions for 300 yards and 2 touchdowns.
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In the playoffs Mike Bell had 8 touches- total. Hamilton had 6 total. Reggie Bush had 27 total. Three backs combined for 41 touches. PT had 48 touches in those 3 games. I do think that the Saints view PT as a valuable- and not easily replaceable- asset.
 
Creed Bratton said:
I'll go ahead and say it. I'm projecting Hamilton to go ahead and get between 150-175 carries and to earn himself pretty close to a 50/50 split with Pierre Thomas. I just don't get the sense that the Saints view Pierre Thomas as an irreplaceable player and key cog to their offense. I could be wrong about Hamilton, but I think that the coaching staff will give him a chance to see if he's worth getting carries and there's a decent chance that he does. It's a shame because Pierre Thomas had himself a great season last year, and if he was the main back, he could easily be a top ten RB. And there's always a chance that Reggie Bush does something. Small chance, but then again, that's what I thought his chances were of staying with the team. I wouldn't touch Thomas as a top 15 or even a top 20 RB price. After that, his upside can get hard to ignore. Of course, Hamilton has nothing but upside and no price at all.

185 carries for 975 yards and 8 touchdowns with 40 receptions for 300 yards and 2 touchdowns.
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This is from the Times-Pic and rotoworld, earlier this month:
Coach Sean Payton reiterated that Lynell Hamilton is getting a shot to be the Saints' primary short-yardage back, replacing Mike Bell.

Ideally from a fantasy perspective, Pierre Thomas would win this job, but Hamilton appears to have the edge. "We've really not hesitated putting him in short-yardage or putting him in goal-line," said Payton of Hamilton, while also praising his work ethic. "We do have a confidence level in what he can do."
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Nothing suggests that Hamilton is primed for anything more than a vulture role this year. Watching him in games last year, he doesn't inspire the confidence that Bell did. The numbers also don't show some hidden talent. Pierre will split some meaningful carries but it will be with Reggie. I don't think Reggie is ready to take all of Bell's carries. Split Bell's rushes between the two of them and Pierre's numbers jump to about 240 carries.

Pierre gains more carries but loses some ypc in the process. He won't see a spike in TDs but a couple more to round out the season.

240 rushing attempts; 1152 rushing yard for 4.8 ypc; 9 rushing TDs. with the added playing time, he gets up to 50 receptions and 500 yards with 5 tds. modest increases across the board.

 
baconisgood said:
Creed Bratton said:
I'll go ahead and say it. I'm projecting Hamilton to go ahead and get between 150-175 carries and to earn himself pretty close to a 50/50 split with Pierre Thomas. I just don't get the sense that the Saints view Pierre Thomas as an irreplaceable player and key cog to their offense. I could be wrong about Hamilton, but I think that the coaching staff will give him a chance to see if he's worth getting carries and there's a decent chance that he does. It's a shame because Pierre Thomas had himself a great season last year, and if he was the main back, he could easily be a top ten RB. And there's always a chance that Reggie Bush does something. Small chance, but then again, that's what I thought his chances were of staying with the team. I wouldn't touch Thomas as a top 15 or even a top 20 RB price. After that, his upside can get hard to ignore. Of course, Hamilton has nothing but upside and no price at all.

185 carries for 975 yards and 8 touchdowns with 40 receptions for 300 yards and 2 touchdowns.
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In the playoffs Mike Bell had 8 touches- total. Hamilton had 6 total. Reggie Bush had 27 total. Three backs combined for 41 touches. PT had 48 touches in those 3 games. I do think that the Saints view PT as a valuable- and not easily replaceable- asset.
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This is more in line with what I'm thinking. I do feel that Lynell Hamilton will get a little work here and there, but I feel that Pierre and Reggie will be the main two guys this season. We all know that Reggie has trouble staying healthy for a whole season, so there's also the upside to that..if Reggie goes down, Pierre's workload will certainly go up.

In 15 games last season, Pierre posted 1,095 total yards and 8 total TDs. That was with only 147 rushes and 39 receptions. I can easily see Pierre's rushes bumping up to the 175-200 range in 2010, maybe even higher..with the receptions staying about the same. So...I'm projecting something around this for Pierre in 2010 assuming he stays healthy, which I think he will:

195 - 975 - 9 ... (5.0 YPC)

40 - 300 - 2 ... (7.5 YPR)

1,275 total yards and 11 total TDs

I feel there's a lot of upside to that as well. I don't see Pierre getting much less than that.

 
215 carries 1000 yds 11 TD's

40 rec 350 yds 2 TD's

I do think that Reggie will get about 125 carries and Hamilton should get about 100 carries. Pierre is undoubtedly the most talented RB on the roster. He's got size, can run between the tackles, can catch, decent enough speed, good blocker. All he needs is a chance to get the carries.

 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
gianmarco said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
I am not sold on Pierre Thomas carrying the load for the entire season for New Orleans. He looked primed last year after a very solid end to the season in 08 but last year he didn't live up to his expecations. The Saints have a lot of weapons and seem to be a team that likes to pass the ball first. I'm in the camp where Thomas will need to prove to me that he is the real deal.

820 yards 6 td's 35 receptions 2 td's
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A few things:1) Didn't live up to expectations because of the workload he was give or the level of his production? He certainly didn't get enough carries to justify his FANTASY expectations, but he certainly performed at a pretty high level with what he did get

2) The Saints were 7th in the NFL in rushing attempts and 15th in pass attempts. It's a misconception that they don't run the ball often. Add in their involvement in the passing game as well and there is definitely enough there to be fantasy relevant. The problem was that the pie was split amongst 3 RBs last year. With Bell gone, that may not be the case this year as I don't see Hamilton getting ~170 carries.

3) I don't think Thomas needs to prove much. I think whether or not the Saints extend his contract and to what amount is going to answer my question as to what his workload will be this year. If he only gets close to the 4 yrs/$11 million they're offering, then my expectations will be tempered. If he gets close to what he's asking, closer to the 25-30 million range, then that will speak volumes to what they think of him and that the will likely use him more.
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I'm strictly speaking fantasy. He was right around a 3rd round pick last season and he simply didn't live up to that. He may have helped you guys win a SB but in a fantasy football perspective, he didn't produce at the level his owners would have expected.You are correct, the Saints did run the ball more than I thought, it just seems like even when they get near the goaline, sort of like the Colts it's no gaurantee they're going to try and bang it in there for 3 downs, they'd play action and use the best player on their offense which are their Qb's to make sure it's a Td.
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PT was not a 3rd round pick last year....
 
Heep said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
gianmarco said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
I am not sold on Pierre Thomas carrying the load for the entire season for New Orleans. He looked primed last year after a very solid end to the season in 08 but last year he didn't live up to his expecations. The Saints have a lot of weapons and seem to be a team that likes to pass the ball first. I'm in the camp where Thomas will need to prove to me that he is the real deal.

820 yards 6 td's 35 receptions 2 td's
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A few things:1) Didn't live up to expectations because of the workload he was give or the level of his production? He certainly didn't get enough carries to justify his FANTASY expectations, but he certainly performed at a pretty high level with what he did get

2) The Saints were 7th in the NFL in rushing attempts and 15th in pass attempts. It's a misconception that they don't run the ball often. Add in their involvement in the passing game as well and there is definitely enough there to be fantasy relevant. The problem was that the pie was split amongst 3 RBs last year. With Bell gone, that may not be the case this year as I don't see Hamilton getting ~170 carries.

3) I don't think Thomas needs to prove much. I think whether or not the Saints extend his contract and to what amount is going to answer my question as to what his workload will be this year. If he only gets close to the 4 yrs/$11 million they're offering, then my expectations will be tempered. If he gets close to what he's asking, closer to the 25-30 million range, then that will speak volumes to what they think of him and that the will likely use him more.
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I'm strictly speaking fantasy. He was right around a 3rd round pick last season and he simply didn't live up to that. He may have helped you guys win a SB but in a fantasy football perspective, he didn't produce at the level his owners would have expected.You are correct, the Saints did run the ball more than I thought, it just seems like even when they get near the goaline, sort of like the Colts it's no gaurantee they're going to try and bang it in there for 3 downs, they'd play action and use the best player on their offense which are their Qb's to make sure it's a Td.
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PT was not a 3rd round pick last year....
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He was in a couple of the leagues I played in. Just did a search on his 2009 ADP and it was 35, which puts him in the 3rd round in 12 team leagues as well. I could give you countless links as well to where he went in the 3rd round, but that really isn't the point, which is why I'm surprised that's all that stuck out to you.
 
RootDown said:
215 carries 1000 yds 11 TD's40 rec 350 yds 2 TD'sI do think that Reggie will get about 125 carries and Hamilton should get about 100 carries. Pierre is undoubtedly the most talented RB on the roster. He's got size, can run between the tackles, can catch, decent enough speed, good blocker. All he needs is a chance to get the carries.
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I think 125 is to high for Bush. He averaged 5 carries a game last year when both Thomas and Bell had injury issues throughout the season. The Saints seemed to have committed to the idea that his running workload should be limited so he can stay on the field. If Thomas goes down and all they have is Hamilton then I could see him getting more, but I don't think he gets very close to his career average of 9.4 carries/game this year.
 
Would love to see some updated projections based on the current situation in NO with Hamilton no longer in the picture.

I drafted him as my RB2 with high hopes for more consistent numbers than he gave me last year as my RB3. I feel like he's getting overlooked. He's one of the few backs on a high-powered team with no real RBBC. Sure, you could consider Bush, but in reality, he's less of an RB and more of a WR.

I'd love to see

1100 yards, 35 rec/350 yds rec, 7 TD's...thoughts?

 
Fat Nick said:
Would love to see some updated projections based on the current situation in NO with Hamilton no longer in the picture.

I drafted him as my RB2 with high hopes for more consistent numbers than he gave me last year as my RB3. I feel like he's getting overlooked. He's one of the few backs on a high-powered team with no real RBBC. Sure, you could consider Bush, but in reality, he's less of an RB and more of a WR.

I'd love to see

1100 yards, 35 rec/350 yds rec, 7 TD's...thoughts?
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I think that's very realistic, maybe even low, if he can hold up for a full season.
 
humpback said:
Fat Nick said:
Would love to see some updated projections based on the current situation in NO with Hamilton no longer in the picture.

I drafted him as my RB2 with high hopes for more consistent numbers than he gave me last year as my RB3. I feel like he's getting overlooked. He's one of the few backs on a high-powered team with no real RBBC. Sure, you could consider Bush, but in reality, he's less of an RB and more of a WR.

I'd love to see

1100 yards, 35 rec/350 yds rec, 7 TD's...thoughts?
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I think that's very realistic, maybe even low, if he can hold up for a full season.
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I don't recall how many games he missed last year due to injury and why...can anyone enlighten me?
 
Fat Nick said:
Would love to see some updated projections based on the current situation in NO with Hamilton no longer in the picture.I drafted him as my RB2 with high hopes for more consistent numbers than he gave me last year as my RB3. I feel like he's getting overlooked. He's one of the few backs on a high-powered team with no real RBBC. Sure, you could consider Bush, but in reality, he's less of an RB and more of a WR. I'd love to see1100 yards, 35 rec/350 yds rec, 7 TD's...thoughts?
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I have PT as my RB2 as well but am still concerned about Payton's committment to him. I read some recent quotes with Payton talking about how he doesn't believe in feature RBs are something to that affect. Sorry, no link right now.You cant argue with the production on the touches he gets but the Saints coaches seem intent on splitting up the touches out of the backfield with Bush and whatever other warm body they can find. That and their reluctance to extend PT's contract indicates to me that they really do have a philosophy of no true feature RB.That said, I still feel comfortable with him as my RB2 based on the fact that the Saints will move the ball all season long and PT has been so productive with the touches that he does get. However, I don't think he will get enough touches to get into top 10 territory. The above projections are certainly within reach and I think he could even exceed the total TD and recieving numbers but I dont know if he'll get enough carries to hit 1100 on the ground.
 
saintfool said:
Fat Nick said:
I don't recall how many games he missed last year due to injury and why...can anyone enlighten me?
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he's missed maybe 2 games in the year and a half he's been the nominal starter.
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He basically missed the 1st two games of the season. DNP in week 1 and had 1 reception and 0 carries in week 2. And he sat out the final week of the season as a precauitonary measure if my memory serves me correctly.So his stats from last year are based on 13 games.
 
VaTerp said:
I have PT as my RB2 as well but am still concerned about Payton's committment to him. I read some recent quotes with Payton talking about how he doesn't believe in feature RBs are something to that affect. Sorry, no link right now.You cant argue with the production on the touches he gets but the Saints coaches seem intent on splitting up the touches out of the backfield with Bush and whatever other warm body they can find. That and their reluctance to extend PT's contract indicates to me that they really do have a philosophy of no true feature RB.
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there has been ongoing discussions between Pierre and the front office about signing a long term deal. it wasn't going to be hammered out in the offseason and he didn't want to run afoul of them by holding out of the offseason and training camp. he signed his 1 year tender and knows he's playing for a long term deal. i expect him to be very effective in the early going.
 
saintfool said:
VaTerp said:
I have PT as my RB2 as well but am still concerned about Payton's committment to him. I read some recent quotes with Payton talking about how he doesn't believe in feature RBs are something to that affect. Sorry, no link right now.

You cant argue with the production on the touches he gets but the Saints coaches seem intent on splitting up the touches out of the backfield with Bush and whatever other warm body they can find. That and their reluctance to extend PT's contract indicates to me that they really do have a philosophy of no true feature RB.
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there has been ongoing discussions between Pierre and the front office about signing a long term deal. it wasn't going to be hammered out in the offseason and he didn't want to run afoul of them by holding out of the offseason and training camp. he signed his 1 year tender and knows he's playing for a long term deal. i expect him to be very effective in the early going.
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Does the above bolded part indicate that you have concerns about the later part of the season or am I reading too much into this?
 
Fat Nick said:
saintfool said:
VaTerp said:
I have PT as my RB2 as well but am still concerned about Payton's committment to him. I read some recent quotes with Payton talking about how he doesn't believe in feature RBs are something to that affect. Sorry, no link right now.

You cant argue with the production on the touches he gets but the Saints coaches seem intent on splitting up the touches out of the backfield with Bush and whatever other warm body they can find. That and their reluctance to extend PT's contract indicates to me that they really do have a philosophy of no true feature RB.
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there has been ongoing discussions between Pierre and the front office about signing a long term deal. it wasn't going to be hammered out in the offseason and he didn't want to run afoul of them by holding out of the offseason and training camp. he signed his 1 year tender and knows he's playing for a long term deal. i expect him to be very effective in the early going.
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Does the above bolded part indicate that you have concerns about the later part of the season or am I reading too much into this?
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i think he'll be fine over the course of the season. i am of two minds on this. one the one hand, he's trying to get the FO to the bargaining table quickly and sign the extension. on the other, if that doesn't happen then he's going to be auditioning for another team. at the end of the day, i think pierre is going to have a great season. i'm not worried about betts (who i think will be cut), ivory or whoever else. i think he's going to have more attempts this year than last because teams are going to give them the running game in hopes of slowing down the passing one. he'll stay on the field more too because he's in pass protection than bush or the inexperienced ivory.

 
So glad I only have PT as my RB3. Cant believe I "fell" for the hype again after saying I would never draft him again after the frustration of last season. Fact is Peyton spreads the ball around to everybody and plays to the defenses weaknesses. He really is a great offensive play caller. Although I think PT is talented hes gonna be very inconsistent this yr (in other words a bunch of games of 5 pts and a bunch at 20). Just the nature of the beast when drafting a player on the Saints. His year end #s will look good but he will be frustrating to own all yr. I plan to use him on bye weeks and only great matchups unless I could trade him after a big game.

 
For the record, I am just having some fun at my own expense. I was forced to start him in a 16-team league against my hated rival and it sucks watching him be ignored in the offense. But nobody game plans to run, run, run against Minnesota. If he still is this inactive in the next two weeks, then it's panic time.

 
pretty much the gameplan for 2nite as chris and al have stated several times...........vikings are tuff against the run and thin/weak at CB. why run against a brick wall when your one of the most elite passing teams? I'm a Pierre owner but i know this can happen with Payton's attention to attacking a defense's weakness

 
BTW A day after the draft I regretted passing on Foster & Best for PT (before week 3 of the preseason). Looks like that will sting

 
I think PT will be ok fantasy wise but it looks like they want to get Bush way more involved in the offense. He may not return 2nd round value this year.

 
little over reaction here on one half of football against one of the top run defenses in the league. The Saints attack your weaknesses and the Vikings pass D is that target tonight. PT is obviously not the focal point of the offense like CJ2K or MJD is for their offenses, but he wasn't drafted in that regard. He will have his games and in the end will probably slot in around his ADP.

 
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