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Jeremy Maclin, WR, Philadelphia Eagles (1 Viewer)

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Given the disparity between DeSean and Maclin's ADPs, Maclin is clearly the guy to target in this duo. It's a guessing game to predict the Eagles receivers' stats this year, but I'll throw out 70 rec x 14.5 ypr = 1015 yds 8 TD for Maclin, but that could easily be +/- 10 receptions.
:shrug: Maclin is a stud in the making, DeSean already is a stud but has little room to improve IMO (although being young and ultra-talented, you never know for sure). It's 1a/1b, and Maclin should easily surpass 65/1,000/6. He was good for around 5 receptions and 60-80 yards per game the second half of his rookie year, and while it would be overly simplified to assume he continues that, it's a decent baseline. If anything my projection is too low.
 
Jeremy Maclin should take a step forward on only his 2nd year as a NFL pro. One has to wonder if it won't take a little time for him and his new QB a little time to get on the same page but talent usually wins out and this guy has it. The Eagles do have a tough pass schedule so the yards may be a little tougher to come by this year.

65 receptions for 740 yards and 6 td's

 
I think the new QB hurts Maclins progression. Young guys tend to lean on their TE a bit more, not to mention Celek and Kolb are friends and roomates. Between that and Desean, i dont see enough targets for Maclin to make him a top 30 fantasy WR this year. I do like his dynasty prospects, but not so much with redraft this year. The best thing about Maclin is he will be just good enough in 2010 to take some coverage from Desean and Celek, who i think will both have big years.

51 rec, 689 yards, 3 TD's, 4 carries, 30 yards.

 
I think the new QB hurts Maclins progression. Young guys tend to lean on their TE a bit more, not to mention Celek and Kolb are friends and roomates. Between that and Desean, i dont see enough targets for Maclin to make him a top 30 fantasy WR this year. I do like his dynasty prospects, but not so much with redraft this year. The best thing about Maclin is he will be just good enough in 2010 to take some coverage from Desean and Celek, who i think will both have big years.51 rec, 689 yards, 3 TD's, 4 carries, 30 yards.
:thumbup: This has already been covered in another thread, but Maclin will be the fourth passing option in that offense behind Jackson, Celek and the RB's.QB is a huge downgrade from McNabb, too.Not enough targets and a drop in QB play make Maclin a "do not draft" player in 2010.46 rec 588 yards 3 TD's
 
I think the new QB hurts Maclins progression. Young guys tend to lean on their TE a bit more, not to mention Celek and Kolb are friends and roomates. Between that and Desean, i dont see enough targets for Maclin to make him a top 30 fantasy WR this year. I do like his dynasty prospects, but not so much with redraft this year. The best thing about Maclin is he will be just good enough in 2010 to take some coverage from Desean and Celek, who i think will both have big years.

51 rec, 689 yards, 3 TD's, 4 carries, 30 yards.
:confused: This has already been covered in another thread, but Maclin will be the fourth passing option in that offense behind Jackson, Celek and the RB's.

QB is a huge downgrade from McNabb, too.

Not enough targets and a drop in QB play make Maclin a "do not draft" player in 2010.

46 rec 588 yards 3 TD's
I agree with these projections for the most part. I do feel that Maclin is a very talented athlete and will eventually put up some big stats in his career, but you have to figure DeSean is going to get his..then Kolb's roommate Celek should have a great season as well. I'm just not sure there is enough to go around after those two and all the receptions for the RBs as well. Maclin posted 55 - 762 - 4 last season on 90 targets. I'd project close to the same, but I'll go on the optimistic side of MY projection/thinking for Maclin and say he'll come up with this:

65 - 900 - 6 ... (14.0 YPC)

 
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I think the new QB hurts Maclins progression. Young guys tend to lean on their TE a bit more, not to mention Celek and Kolb are friends and roomates. Between that and Desean, i dont see enough targets for Maclin to make him a top 30 fantasy WR this year. I do like his dynasty prospects, but not so much with redraft this year. The best thing about Maclin is he will be just good enough in 2010 to take some coverage from Desean and Celek, who i think will both have big years.51 rec, 689 yards, 3 TD's, 4 carries, 30 yards.
:confused: This has already been covered in another thread, but Maclin will be the fourth passing option in that offense behind Jackson, Celek and the RB's.QB is a huge downgrade from McNabb, too.Not enough targets and a drop in QB play make Maclin a "do not draft" player in 2010.46 rec 588 yards 3 TD's
This seems wrong. Kolb is a much different QB than McNabb. This is no longer the McNabb Westbrook show. I see maclin as one of the next big things in the league and a break through season. 70 catches is a longshot, but within reach, IMO.
 
I think the new QB hurts Maclins progression. Young guys tend to lean on their TE a bit more, not to mention Celek and Kolb are friends and roomates. Between that and Desean, i dont see enough targets for Maclin to make him a top 30 fantasy WR this year. I do like his dynasty prospects, but not so much with redraft this year. The best thing about Maclin is he will be just good enough in 2010 to take some coverage from Desean and Celek, who i think will both have big years.51 rec, 689 yards, 3 TD's, 4 carries, 30 yards.
:football: This has already been covered in another thread, but Maclin will be the fourth passing option in that offense behind Jackson, Celek and the RB's.QB is a huge downgrade from McNabb, too.Not enough targets and a drop in QB play make Maclin a "do not draft" player in 2010.46 rec 588 yards 3 TD's
As an Eagles homer, I strongly disagree that Kolb is a "huge" downgrade. In fact, I disagree he's a downgrade at all. McNabb is not the most accurate passer in the league, far from it. He throws far too many passes at his receivers feet or over their heads. He gets into funks where he plays WELL below his level. Kolb, from what I've seen, is a more accurate passer. He doesn't have the experience McNabb has, but Rogers didn't have the experience Farve had when he took over. I'm not saying Kolb is going to be the next Rogers, but I wouldn't discount him because he's not as experienced as McNabb. Long story short, I don't think Kolb misses a beat from McNabb's play. Maclin should be a serviceable WR3 in a 12 team league with decent upside and a good bye week fill in. 55/680/6
 
I think the new QB hurts Maclins progression. Young guys tend to lean on their TE a bit more, not to mention Celek and Kolb are friends and roomates. Between that and Desean, i dont see enough targets for Maclin to make him a top 30 fantasy WR this year. I do like his dynasty prospects, but not so much with redraft this year. The best thing about Maclin is he will be just good enough in 2010 to take some coverage from Desean and Celek, who i think will both have big years.51 rec, 689 yards, 3 TD's, 4 carries, 30 yards.
:shrug: This has already been covered in another thread, but Maclin will be the fourth passing option in that offense behind Jackson, Celek and the RB's.QB is a huge downgrade from McNabb, too.Not enough targets and a drop in QB play make Maclin a "do not draft" player in 2010.46 rec 588 yards 3 TD's
As an Eagles homer, I strongly disagree that Kolb is a "huge" downgrade. In fact, I disagree he's a downgrade at all. McNabb is not the most accurate passer in the league, far from it. He throws far too many passes at his receivers feet or over their heads. He gets into funks where he plays WELL below his level. Kolb, from what I've seen, is a more accurate passer. He doesn't have the experience McNabb has, but Rogers didn't have the experience Farve had when he took over. I'm not saying Kolb is going to be the next Rogers, but I wouldn't discount him because he's not as experienced as McNabb. Long story short, I don't think Kolb misses a beat from McNabb's play. Maclin should be a serviceable WR3 in a 12 team league with decent upside and a good bye week fill in. 55/680/6
You think he's going to be a serviceable WR3 and you expect him to get 55 catches and 680 yards? That's pretty low expectations for a WR3. You can find that kind of production on the waiver wire in almost any league. Especially since he went for 55 and 750 last year. I think 70 catches and 900 yards is his floor this year.Although I think Philly fans are finally going to understand that McNabb was great and just any jo blow off the street can't be just as good. Kolb may end up being the most overrated player in the league this pre-season.
 
I think the new QB hurts Maclins progression. Young guys tend to lean on their TE a bit more, not to mention Celek and Kolb are friends and roomates. Between that and Desean, i dont see enough targets for Maclin to make him a top 30 fantasy WR this year. I do like his dynasty prospects, but not so much with redraft this year. The best thing about Maclin is he will be just good enough in 2010 to take some coverage from Desean and Celek, who i think will both have big years.51 rec, 689 yards, 3 TD's, 4 carries, 30 yards.
:goodposting: This has already been covered in another thread, but Maclin will be the fourth passing option in that offense behind Jackson, Celek and the RB's.QB is a huge downgrade from McNabb, too.Not enough targets and a drop in QB play make Maclin a "do not draft" player in 2010.46 rec 588 yards 3 TD's
As an Eagles homer, I strongly disagree that Kolb is a "huge" downgrade. In fact, I disagree he's a downgrade at all. McNabb is not the most accurate passer in the league, far from it. He throws far too many passes at his receivers feet or over their heads. He gets into funks where he plays WELL below his level. Kolb, from what I've seen, is a more accurate passer. He doesn't have the experience McNabb has, but Rogers didn't have the experience Farve had when he took over. I'm not saying Kolb is going to be the next Rogers, but I wouldn't discount him because he's not as experienced as McNabb. Long story short, I don't think Kolb misses a beat from McNabb's play. Maclin should be a serviceable WR3 in a 12 team league with decent upside and a good bye week fill in. 55/680/6
You think he's going to be a serviceable WR3 and you expect him to get 55 catches and 680 yards? That's pretty low expectations for a WR3. You can find that kind of production on the waiver wire in almost any league. Especially since he went for 55 and 750 last year. I think 70 catches and 900 yards is his floor this year.Although I think Philly fans are finally going to understand that McNabb was great and just any jo blow off the street can't be just as good. Kolb may end up being the most overrated player in the league this pre-season.
I think it's far more likely the rest of the league will see how overrated McNabb has always been. I love the guy, and he's been nothing but classy, but he's just not as great as many people think. The projections were conservative numbers a little closer to his floor than his ceiling. I think his ceiling is something like 75/1100/10. I guess I should have made my projections a little more in the center of his floor and ceiling, maybe 65/800/7.ETA: I do think McNabb is a good QB, he's just too streaky for my taste. When he's on his game though, he's as good as any in the league IMO.
 
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I think the new QB hurts Maclins progression. Young guys tend to lean on their TE a bit more, not to mention Celek and Kolb are friends and roomates. Between that and Desean, i dont see enough targets for Maclin to make him a top 30 fantasy WR this year. I do like his dynasty prospects, but not so much with redraft this year. The best thing about Maclin is he will be just good enough in 2010 to take some coverage from Desean and Celek, who i think will both have big years.

51 rec, 689 yards, 3 TD's, 4 carries, 30 yards.
:blackdot: This has already been covered in another thread, but Maclin will be the fourth passing option in that offense behind Jackson, Celek and the RB's.

QB is a huge downgrade from McNabb, too.

Not enough targets and a drop in QB play make Maclin a "do not draft" player in 2010.

46 rec 588 yards 3 TD's
:rolleyes: :popcorn:

 
I think the new QB hurts Maclins progression. Young guys tend to lean on their TE a bit more, not to mention Celek and Kolb are friends and roomates. Between that and Desean, i dont see enough targets for Maclin to make him a top 30 fantasy WR this year. I do like his dynasty prospects, but not so much with redraft this year. The best thing about Maclin is he will be just good enough in 2010 to take some coverage from Desean and Celek, who i think will both have big years.

51 rec, 689 yards, 3 TD's, 4 carries, 30 yards.
:lol: This has already been covered in another thread, but Maclin will be the fourth passing option in that offense behind Jackson, Celek and the RB's.

QB is a huge downgrade from McNabb, too.

Not enough targets and a drop in QB play make Maclin a "do not draft" player in 2010.

46 rec 588 yards 3 TD's
As an Eagles homer, I strongly disagree that Kolb is a "huge" downgrade. In fact, I disagree he's a downgrade at all. McNabb is not the most accurate passer in the league, far from it. He throws far too many passes at his receivers feet or over their heads. He gets into funks where he plays WELL below his level. Kolb, from what I've seen, is a more accurate passer. He doesn't have the experience McNabb has, but Rogers didn't have the experience Farve had when he took over. I'm not saying Kolb is going to be the next Rogers, but I wouldn't discount him because he's not as experienced as McNabb. Long story short, I don't think Kolb misses a beat from McNabb's play. Maclin should be a serviceable WR3 in a 12 team league with decent upside and a good bye week fill in.

55/680/6
You think he's going to be a serviceable WR3 and you expect him to get 55 catches and 680 yards? That's pretty low expectations for a WR3. You can find that kind of production on the waiver wire in almost any league. Especially since he went for 55 and 750 last year.

I think 70 catches and 900 yards is his floor this year.

Although I think Philly fans are finally going to understand that McNabb was great and just any jo blow off the street can't be just as good. Kolb may end up being the most overrated player in the league this pre-season.
I think it's far more likely the rest of the league will see how overrated McNabb has always been. I love the guy, and he's been nothing but classy, but he's just not as great as many people think. The projections were conservative numbers a little closer to his floor than his ceiling. I think his ceiling is something like 75/1100/10. I guess I should have made my projections a little more in the center of his floor and ceiling, maybe 65/800/7.

ETA: I do think McNabb is a good QB, he's just too streaky for my taste. When he's on his game though, he's as good as any in the league IMO.
Although he was really good for a long run, the last few years were pretty bad. The overthrows, the lack of leadership, no team respect, and his lack of effort when it mattered most- were laughable. How someone can say the QB is a "huge downgrade" would mean that McNabb was something special last year and that Kolb is a "jo blow".I guess some people post for shock value and others actually research and watch games. Unreal.....

 
Although he was really good for a long run, the last few years were pretty bad. The overthrows, the lack of leadership, no team respect, and his lack of effort when it mattered most- were laughable. How someone can say the QB is a "huge downgrade" would mean that McNabb was something special last year and that Kolb is a "jo blow". I guess some people post for shock value and others actually research and watch games. Unreal.....
G-King, What do you see as the look of the offense this year? Reid definitely changed around the offense over the years to a WCO that had more vertical elements to work with McNabb's strength there. The underneath timing routes weren't there and Celek, while a good performer, seemed to be a safety outlet guy or just hitting seam routes. Are they going to be doing the same thing this year or will it be different? Distribution of targets between the wideouts, TE, and RBs? Any thoughts on the slot guys (Avant/Cooper/etc)?
 
G-King said:
Although he was really good for a long run, the last few years were pretty bad. The overthrows, the lack of leadership, no team respect, and his lack of effort when it mattered most- were laughable. How someone can say the QB is a "huge downgrade" would mean that McNabb was something special last year and that Kolb is a "jo blow". I guess some people post for shock value and others actually research and watch games. Unreal.....
Since the purpose of the thread is based upon projections of statisitics, I'll just address the numbers and not the obvious personal bias against McNabb. Since you were speaking of research:McNabb 2007-200944 Games903 Completions1487 Attempts 10,793 Yards64 TD's28 IntsPer game averages over that span: 20.5 Comp 33.7 Att 245.3 Yards 7.3 YPA 1.5 TDs .63 Int'sThose numbers are skewed downward as a result of Donovan leaving some games early with injury, as well. Even still, extrapolate those numbers for 16 games and McNabb has been on a 3900+ yards 23/10 TD/INT pace for the past three years.He's also run for over 500 yards and 4 TD's in that time frame, too.Now look at Kolb who has virtually no experience, and a career TD/INT ratio of 4/7. He's had significant playing time on three occasions the past two seasons. In the only games against good opponents (BAL & NO) he was picked off five times. The list of QB's struggling in year one as a starter is far longer than those who succeed. So yes, Kolb is a downgrade. A huge one.
 
In the only games against good opponents (BAL & NO) he was picked off five times.
Why are we only counting games against "good opponents"? Is he playing Baltimore and New Orleans 8 times each this year? :confused: And if you're going to point out stats in such a small sampling distribution, let's point out all the stats. In the NO game you pointed out he also threw for 391 yards and 2 TDs. I'll take 3 INTs if he's netting me ~25 points a week. The Baltimore game was nearly two years ago now, really not relevant to point to one game from two years ago as evidence. Anyone who watches the Eagles can tell you McNabb overthrew and underthrew receivers on a regular basis, far more than any elite QB should. And Elite is what he would have to be to claim there is a "huge" downgrade from him to Kolb, who threw for 391 yards, 2 TDs, and a 60.8% completion rate against the Saints last year, the team you point out to be how bad he is.ETA: The Chiefs, a team you left out of your "Good teams" wagon, were ranked higher than the Saints in pass D last year. Resullt? He lit them up for a 70+% completion rate, 2 TDs, and 300+ yards with no picks.
 
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In the only games against good opponents (BAL & NO) he was picked off five times.
Why are we only counting games against "good opponents"? Is he playing Baltimore and New Orleans 8 times each this year? :goodposting: And if you're going to point out stats in such a small sampling distribution, let's point out all the stats. In the NO game you pointed out he also threw for 391 yards and 2 TDs. I'll take 3 INTs if he's netting me ~25 points a week. The Baltimore game was nearly two years ago now, really not relevant to point to one game from two years ago as evidence. Anyone who watches the Eagles can tell you McNabb overthrew and underthrew receivers on a regular basis, far more than any elite QB should. And Elite is what he would have to be to claim there is a "huge" downgrade from him to Kolb, who threw for 391 yards, 2 TDs, and a 60.8% completion rate against the Saints last year, the team you point out to be how bad he is.ETA: The Chiefs, a team you left out of your "Good teams" wagon, were ranked higher than the Saints in pass D last year. What happened there? He lit them up for a 70+% completion rate, 2 TDs, and 300+ yards with no picks.
How did the Chiefs rank compared to the Saints in take aways and win loss record? You really think a team having the clock run out against them has a better pass defense than the one playing prevent? Seriously?BTW you may take 3 Int's a week, but Andy Reid won't, no matter how many yards Kolb throws for in garbage time. The Eagles were in that game against the Saints down 17-13 at the half. In the second half, Kolb picks led to 14 points, (he threw another one too late to impact the score). They lost 48-22. That is not how a QB keeps a job.Look at the schedule:Week 1-- Sept. 12: Green Bay at Eagles, 4:15 p.m. FoxWeek 2-- Sept. 19: Eagles at Detroit, 1 p.m. FoxWeek 3-- Sept. 26: Eagles at Jacksonville, 4:05 p.m. FoxWeek 4-- Oct. 3: Washington at Eagles, 4:15 p.m. FoxWeek 5-- Oct. 10: Eagles at San Francisco, 8:20 p.m. NBCWeek 6-- Oct. 17: Atlanta at Eagles, 1 p.m. FOXWeek 7-- Oct. 24: Eagles at Tennessee , 1 p.m. FoxWeek 8-- Oct. 31: Bye weekWeek 9-- Nov. 7: Indianapolis at Eagles, 4:15 p.m. CBSWeek 10-- Nov. 15: Eagles at Washington, 8:30 p.m. ESPNWeek 11-- Nov. 21: NY Giants at Eagles, 8:20 p.m. NBCWeek 12-- Nov. 28: Eagles at Chicago, 1 p.m. FOXWeek 13-- Dec. 2: Houston at Eagles, 8:20 p.m. NFL NetworkWeek 14-- Dec. 12: Eagles at Dallas, 8:20 p.m. NBCWeek 15-- Dec. 19: Eagles at NY Giants, 8:20 p.m. NBCWeek 16--Dec. 26: Minnesota at Eagles, 1 p.m. FOXWeek 17-- Jan. 2: Dallas at Eagles, 1 p.m.m FOXKolb is in for a tough year.
 
Quite honestly if you think Kolb is in any danger of losing his job, you don't know enough about the Eagles to be posting on them IMHO. This is Kolb's gig, pure and simple. Throwing 3 INTs against the superbowl champs isn't going to lose him his job. Either will throwing for over 300 yards, 2 TDs, and a 60+% completion rate against the superbowl champs.

 
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The tough sched guarantees a top finish for Kolb. Reid throws +++ against the worst teams, let alone against teams that will make it tough on the Eagles. As TheLastDispatch said, Kolb is in no danger of losing his job so he will throw. Throw. And throw. Those weapons are sick.

 
Quite honestly if you think Kolb is in any danger of losing his job, you don't know enough about the Eagles to be posting on them. This is Kolb's gig, pure and simple. Throwing 3 INTs against the superbowl champs isn't going to lose him his job. Either will throwing for over 300 yards, 2 TDs, and a 60+% completion rate against the superbowl champs.
It is his gig now, but any QB will lose their job if they turn it over too much.Look, McNabb was a six time pro-bowler and NFC Player of the year....but he wasn't that good when he first started, he made mistakes and learned from them and got better. Who knows if Kolb will do anything close to McNabb, the reality is few do.

However, we already have seen Kolb make mistakes every time he has played, and there is nothing to suggest he won't get better, but he's going to have to learn from his errors first. It's how it works for everyone. Nothing replaces experience at the QB position, and he doesn't have any. He's going to struggle. McNabb's experience and success are being very taken for granted in this situation.

 
It amazes me how Eagles fans actually think that going from McNabb to Kolb is going to be an UPGRADE!!

Absolutely amazing.

Now is it possible? I guess so. After all, I thought Vince Young was finished a year ago today, and he came out in the 2nd half of the year and shocked me. You never really KNOW in football.

But one of the superstars in the game just left the Eagles team and they are actually excited and think that the offense is going to take off!!

Hilarious.

Philly could easily finish 4th in the division. Easily.

As for Maclin, that is one thing Kolb has going for him. Maclin/Jackson/Celek is a great young trio. I think teams will focus on Jackson alot and Maclin will get 80-90 catches and 1,000 yards this year, unless Kolb just plays horrible, which is completely plausible, as there really isn't any reason to project superstardom on Kolb.

 
G-King said:
Although he was really good for a long run, the last few years were pretty bad. The overthrows, the lack of leadership, no team respect, and his lack of effort when it mattered most- were laughable. How someone can say the QB is a "huge downgrade" would mean that McNabb was something special last year and that Kolb is a "jo blow". I guess some people post for shock value and others actually research and watch games. Unreal.....
Some of us don't let biases influence us. McNabb is a great QB. Always has been. He's been hamstrung his entire career on a stupid offense that throws too much, and so unlike most QB's the defense is always looking to guard the pass.Now yes, McNabb does have accuracy problems at times. But he has great leadership, and has led that team to a number of playoff appearances and to the super bowl.The lack of respect is from the organization and from the fans. They've wanted McNabb gone for 2-3 years. They knew it and he knew it.If they think Kolb will be the savior that will lead that team to super bowl victories, than have at it. Even though I've never been a Redskins fan, I'd LOVE to see McNabb lead the Skins to a super bowl win. It would be incredible irony.
 
G-King said:
Although he was really good for a long run, the last few years were pretty bad. The overthrows, the lack of leadership, no team respect, and his lack of effort when it mattered most- were laughable. How someone can say the QB is a "huge downgrade" would mean that McNabb was something special last year and that Kolb is a "jo blow". I guess some people post for shock value and others actually research and watch games. Unreal.....
Some of us don't let biases influence us. McNabb is a great QB. Always has been. He's been hamstrung his entire career on a stupid offense that throws too much, and so unlike most QB's the defense is always looking to guard the pass.Now yes, McNabb does have accuracy problems at times. But he has great leadership, and has led that team to a number of playoff appearances and to the super bowl.The lack of respect is from the organization and from the fans. They've wanted McNabb gone for 2-3 years. They knew it and he knew it.If they think Kolb will be the savior that will lead that team to super bowl victories, than have at it. Even though I've never been a Redskins fan, I'd LOVE to see McNabb lead the Skins to a super bowl win. It would be incredible irony.
I'm an Eagles fan and a McNabb fan. I honestly hope that he does light it up for the Skins this year, but I have to stop short of beating out the Eagles, out of necessity. McNabb has his ups and downs, and isn't the greatest QB ever to grace the game, but he's gotten far and away too much criticism from the Eagle fan base.
 
G-King said:
Although he was really good for a long run, the last few years were pretty bad. The overthrows, the lack of leadership, no team respect, and his lack of effort when it mattered most- were laughable. How someone can say the QB is a "huge downgrade" would mean that McNabb was something special last year and that Kolb is a "jo blow". I guess some people post for shock value and others actually research and watch games. Unreal.....
Since the purpose of the thread is based upon projections of statisitics, I'll just address the numbers and not the obvious personal bias against McNabb. Since you were speaking of research:McNabb 2007-200944 Games903 Completions1487 Attempts 10,793 Yards64 TD's28 IntsPer game averages over that span: 20.5 Comp 33.7 Att 245.3 Yards 7.3 YPA 1.5 TDs .63 Int'sThose numbers are skewed downward as a result of Donovan leaving some games early with injury, as well. Even still, extrapolate those numbers for 16 games and McNabb has been on a 3900+ yards 23/10 TD/INT pace for the past three years.He's also run for over 500 yards and 4 TD's in that time frame, too.Now look at Kolb who has virtually no experience, and a career TD/INT ratio of 4/7. He's had significant playing time on three occasions the past two seasons. In the only games against good opponents (BAL & NO) he was picked off five times. The list of QB's struggling in year one as a starter is far longer than those who succeed. So yes, Kolb is a downgrade. A huge one.
:goodposting: Kolb fans shouldn't be offended by this or think it means Kolb can't have a good career. The overhype is what is unrealistic. The guy could have a solid first year, but that would still be well below some of the Kolb hype projections.here is what you are likely to see/here about
Kevin Kolb has reportedly shown "ups and downs" as a decision-maker against the pass rush in camp.Kolb couldn't be stepping into a better situation from an offensive weapons standpoint, but this is a reminder that his pocket presence is still largely unknown. Kolb is a fine fantasy sleeper this year; just know that he's not going off the boards at a sleeper's price tag. There is some risk attached to drafting him as a QB1.
- rotoworldOnce again, I'm not saying he won't play well...He will have some big games, but some defenses will find ways to force him into bad games, just like they do with the majority of young QB's.By the end of the year I wouldn't be suprised if he put up similar numbers to McNabb last year, but I think that would be the ceiling for this young QB which means Maclin, Jackson and Celek will put up about the same numbers.
 
Quite honestly if you think Kolb is in any danger of losing his job, you don't know enough about the Eagles to be posting on them. This is Kolb's gig, pure and simple. Throwing 3 INTs against the superbowl champs isn't going to lose him his job. Either will throwing for over 300 yards, 2 TDs, and a 60+% completion rate against the superbowl champs.
It is his gig now, but any QB will lose their job if they turn it over too much.Look, McNabb was a six time pro-bowler and NFC Player of the year....but he wasn't that good when he first started, he made mistakes and learned from them and got better. Who knows if Kolb will do anything close to McNabb, the reality is few do.

However, we already have seen Kolb make mistakes every time he has played, and there is nothing to suggest he won't get better, but he's going to have to learn from his errors first. It's how it works for everyone. Nothing replaces experience at the QB position, and he doesn't have any. He's going to struggle. McNabb's experience and success are being very taken for granted in this situation.
McNabb has been an average QB since 2004. I'm tired of pointing out McNabb's flaws in the short/intermediate passing game. Kolb from what we have seen so far makes quicker decisions and is more accurate in the short/intermediate passing game. He'll take more chances and get burned more then McNabb, but the offense will be more fluid. The offensive scoring will be the same as last year, but the TOP for the offense will go up for the Eagles becuase they'll sustain drives.
 
G-King said:
Although he was really good for a long run, the last few years were pretty bad. The overthrows, the lack of leadership, no team respect, and his lack of effort when it mattered most- were laughable. How someone can say the QB is a "huge downgrade" would mean that McNabb was something special last year and that Kolb is a "jo blow". I guess some people post for shock value and others actually research and watch games. Unreal.....
Since the purpose of the thread is based upon projections of statisitics, I'll just address the numbers and not the obvious personal bias against McNabb. Since you were speaking of research:McNabb 2007-200944 Games903 Completions1487 Attempts 10,793 Yards64 TD's28 IntsPer game averages over that span: 20.5 Comp 33.7 Att 245.3 Yards 7.3 YPA 1.5 TDs .63 Int'sThose numbers are skewed downward as a result of Donovan leaving some games early with injury, as well. Even still, extrapolate those numbers for 16 games and McNabb has been on a 3900+ yards 23/10 TD/INT pace for the past three years.He's also run for over 500 yards and 4 TD's in that time frame, too.Now look at Kolb who has virtually no experience, and a career TD/INT ratio of 4/7. He's had significant playing time on three occasions the past two seasons. In the only games against good opponents (BAL & NO) he was picked off five times. The list of QB's struggling in year one as a starter is far longer than those who succeed. So yes, Kolb is a downgrade. A huge one.
Not fair to compare McNabb to Kolb. McNabb would go into games as a starter and for the most part Kolb was entering games as a backup. Big difference not getting the reps in practice with the starters.If you're gonna compare McNabb's per games then compare them to Kolb's as a starter, preparing as a starter:Per game averages over that span:27.5 Comp42.5 Att 359 Yards8.4 YPA2 TDs 1.5 Int's
 
It amazes me how Eagles fans actually think that going from McNabb to Kolb is going to be an UPGRADE!!Absolutely amazing.Now is it possible? I guess so. After all, I thought Vince Young was finished a year ago today, and he came out in the 2nd half of the year and shocked me. You never really KNOW in football.But one of the superstars in the game just left the Eagles team and they are actually excited and think that the offense is going to take off!!Hilarious.Philly could easily finish 4th in the division. Easily. As for Maclin, that is one thing Kolb has going for him. Maclin/Jackson/Celek is a great young trio. I think teams will focus on Jackson alot and Maclin will get 80-90 catches and 1,000 yards this year, unless Kolb just plays horrible, which is completely plausible, as there really isn't any reason to project superstardom on Kolb.
Prior to your post, where did anyone say Kolb was going to be an upgrade? :confused:
 
G-King said:
Although he was really good for a long run, the last few years were pretty bad. The overthrows, the lack of leadership, no team respect, and his lack of effort when it mattered most- were laughable. How someone can say the QB is a "huge downgrade" would mean that McNabb was something special last year and that Kolb is a "jo blow". I guess some people post for shock value and others actually research and watch games. Unreal.....
Some of us don't let biases influence us. McNabb is a great QB. Always has been. He's been hamstrung his entire career on a stupid offense that throws too much, and so unlike most QB's the defense is always looking to guard the pass.Now yes, McNabb does have accuracy problems at times. But he has great leadership, and has led that team to a number of playoff appearances and to the super bowl.The lack of respect is from the organization and from the fans. They've wanted McNabb gone for 2-3 years. They knew it and he knew it.If they think Kolb will be the savior that will lead that team to super bowl victories, than have at it. Even though I've never been a Redskins fan, I'd LOVE to see McNabb lead the Skins to a super bowl win. It would be incredible irony.
McNabb will never win a superbowl, much as I'd like to see him win one. Book it.
 
I thought this was the Jeremy Maclin spotlight thread?
My point is it's entirely possible Maclin has a down year because of the sheer amount of talent around him and there not being enough passes for him to get 60/800/6 or something like it. But it won't be because of Kolb./hijack.
 
Let's please stick to discussing Jeremy Maclin's fantasy prospects in this thread. McNabb vs. Kolb is certainly a part of that, but this has devolved into a Face off between the two sides of the Kolb coin. Let's direct those conversations into the Kevin Kolb Spotlight if you so desire.

 
I thought this was the Jeremy Maclin spotlight thread?
My point is it's entirely possible Maclin has a down year because of the sheer amount of talent around him and there not being enough passes for him to get 60/800/6 or something like it. But it won't be because of Kolb./hijack.
OK, I could def. see that happening. I do think that this team throws the ball enough that even Jackson, Celek, and Maclin can produce very good numbers for each. The defense has to play a high scoring offense almost everyweek so you can bet on Reid tossing the ball alot.
 
I thought this was the Jeremy Maclin spotlight thread?
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:wall: I guess who the QB is, and what the differences between the new QB and the old QB are really isn't that important. It probably won't affect his numbers at all.
No it absoluetly has an impact on Maclin I just thought some of the posting was veering toward more McNabb/Kolb comparison then Maclin talk. Kolb fits the description of a QB that complements Maclin. Maclin is a good route runner and can catch passes in the middle of the field as good as he does out wide, Kolb is QB that is accurate and can help lead the WR with his passes but he doesn't have the cannon arm that McNabb had. I think this plays to Maclins strengths.
 
McNabb is a great QB. Always has been. He's been hamstrung his entire career on a stupid offense that throws too much
And this is the appeal of Kolb. That stupid pass happy offense. Yes, there is risk. He hasn't done it in actual NFL games for an extended period of time. However, because Reid leans heavily on the pass and because Philly doesn't have anything special at rb, Kolb is very intriguing as a potential qb#1. Unfortunately, he is being drafted like it...ahead of Eli, ahead of Ryan, ahead of McNabb. He certainly could wind up in front of those guys, but for a first time starter there isn't much value here. Now, back to that stupid pass happy offense. The same things that are working in Kolb's favor also work in Maclin's favor. Of course, there are some things working against Maclin, as well. Primarily, Jackson, Celek, and McCoy all will catch their fair share of passes. It is probable that Maclin is at best the #3 target in Philly. How much does that limit his upside? That Philly offense spreads it around fairly well, so it is tough for any one receiver to have a monster season....not that anyone expects that out of Maclin anyway. A reasonable yet positive projection assumes he catches about 70 (15 more than last year) for 980 yards and 6 tds. Good, but not great. There is a fair amount of risk, as well. The Philly offense could sputter under a new qb, in which case Maclin would do well to match last years numbers. Target him as a wr 3 with wr 2 upside.

 
A lot of talk about McNabb vs. Kolb. My two cents:

-Kolb will throw more interceptions for two reasons: McNabb was one of the best at avoiding interceptions, and Kolb being a more accurate passer, will try to force more balls into tight spots, and thus will have more picked off. He also has to learn how defenses will try to confuse him, which will result in some interceptions

-Kolb will throw for a higher completion percentage. In his two starts last year, Kolb's completion percentage was significantly higher than McNabb's. Because he is generally thought to be a more accurate passer, I see no reason why that won't continue this year.

How will this affect Maclin?

A higher completion percentage means Maclin will likely catch more passes. With his running ability, this gives him more opportunities to make big plays.

A higher interception rate for the Eagles means they will probably be trailing more in games. This means the Eagles will continue to throw a lot. It also means if they are trailing late in the game, that opposing teams will look to take away the homerun ball which would be Desean. That should give Maclin more opportunities against prevent defenses.

In his rookie year, Maclin only started 13 games and played in 15. Assuming he stays healthy for all 16, that should give him some additional playing time in 2010.

I think an increase in production is likely in 2010. Say, 70-950-6.

 
Assuming he stays healthy, I have him down for:

65 catches

950 yards

5 TD's

If Celek or Jackson miss a bunch of time, I could see these numbers increasing.

 
I thought this was the Jeremy Maclin spotlight thread?
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:shrug: I guess who the QB is, and what the differences between the new QB and the old QB are really isn't that important. It probably won't affect his numbers at all.
True, so I guess that means we should be talking about the Giants defense here too, huh?Please stick to Maclin.Yours in Christ,Exit 1
:confused: If the Eagles played the Giants 16 times don't you think they would be a discussion topic when talking about Maclin? Since the Eagles don't play the Giants 16 times they aren't relevant to Maclin. Kolb is. You need to do a better job when using analogies.The time is yours.
 
Not fair to compare McNabb to Kolb. McNabb would go into games as a starter and for the most part Kolb was entering games as a backup. Big difference not getting the reps in practice with the starters.If you're gonna compare McNabb's per games then compare them to Kolb's as a starter, preparing as a starter:Per game averages over that span:27.5 Comp42.5 Att 359 Yards8.4 YPA2 TDs 1.5 Int's
Maclin's per game averages with Kolb as a starter:3 receptions23 yards0 TD's
 
Not fair to compare McNabb to Kolb. McNabb would go into games as a starter and for the most part Kolb was entering games as a backup. Big difference not getting the reps in practice with the starters.If you're gonna compare McNabb's per games then compare them to Kolb's as a starter, preparing as a starter:Per game averages over that span:27.5 Comp42.5 Att 359 Yards8.4 YPA2 TDs 1.5 Int's
Maclin's per game averages with Kolb as a starter:3 receptions23 yards0 TD's
That is a little unfair as the two games with Kolb as the starter were the first two games of Maclin's career (Maclin did not play in the season opener whenMcNabb got hurt).
 
Not fair to compare McNabb to Kolb. McNabb would go into games as a starter and for the most part Kolb was entering games as a backup. Big difference not getting the reps in practice with the starters.If you're gonna compare McNabb's per games then compare them to Kolb's as a starter, preparing as a starter:Per game averages over that span:27.5 Comp42.5 Att 359 Yards8.4 YPA2 TDs 1.5 Int's
Maclin's per game averages with Kolb as a starter:3 receptions23 yards0 TD's
2 games in Maclin's rookie year? Kolb's second start ever? Really?
 

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