Deranged Hermit's top 20 RB's to own in 2010 (1 Viewer)

Alright, boring day at work means DH is thinking about his fantasy teams. We did this last year and it was well recieved, so let's give it another shot.

Since pretty much all my leagues are PPR, my rankings will reflect that. I'll do QB and WR eventually, but here's the important one: RBs. Note this is not necessarily where I would draft them, but how I think things will fall by season's end. Obviously you'd be a fool to draft Matthews at 6, when he could be had several picks later (according to a few mocks I've seen). If you have 1.6, trade back a few picks and pick up Matthews there.

1. Chris Johnson

With the contract issues settled, I see little reason not to grab him at number one.

2. Maurice Jones-Drew

Next to no competition for carries, MoJo will be leaned on heavily by the Jags again this year. Will also catch a ton of balls.

3. Adrian Peterson

Yes, he is a stud, but there is something that really bothers me about him this year. It could be the fumbles, it could be Favre wanting to chuck the ball a million times a game, it could be facing tough Defenses weeks 14-16 (I expect NYG, CHI and PHI to be closer to what they were two years ago as opposed to what they were last year). I digress though, the guy has no competition for carries and could easily be argued to be taken at 1 so not a bad deal at 3.

4. Frank Gore

Again, little competition for carries, that seems to be the staple of the top tier so far. Singletary wants to run the ball and has the horse to do so. He has a sweet schedule to do it too.

5. Ray Rice

The fact that Rice is at 5 shows how good I think the top 4 are. No slight to Rice, I just think he has a tougher schedule. That playoff schedule is pretty nice though.

*Note, I see a huge drop-off here*

6. Ryan Matthews

Some years I become enamored with a certain rookie and maybe over value him. That might be the case here but, as I've stated nymerous times, there's no real competition for him on a team who loves to run the ball. Plus, with Jackson suspended and a likely holdout, he could see many a dump-off pass thrown his way this year.

7. Steven Jackson

I see a whole bunch of red flags about this pick, but the talent and opprotunity are too big to ignore. When he plays, he's a PPG beast.

9. Michael Turner

I would draft him in a second over some of the WR I've seen drafted ahead of him in the various leagues I've drafted already. The man is a yardage and TD machine and should be totally recovered from his knee injury from two years ago.

9. Jamaal Charles

Huge limb I'm going out on here, but I really liked what I saw from him last year. Huge red flag though, week 14 and 16 he has SD and TEN so you don't have the cup cake playoff teams he had last year. Having TJ there does concern me a bit, but I really think they want to build aroud the young guy. Incedentally, this is where I would take a WR over a RB were I faced with this in the 1st round of a draft.

10. DeAngelo Williams

Like Turner, he doesn't catch a lot of balls, but, unlike Turner, he has stiff competition for carries. I don't think Stewart overtakes him this year, but I don't like what I see after that.

*Note, I see a drop in talent here, but not as significant as between picks 5 and 6*

11. Pierre Thomas

This guy gets no respect because he plays with the constantly over-rated Reggie Bush. I think he can return to his TD total from two years ago barring significant injury. Makes a decent RB1, a great RB2.

12. Knowshon Moreno

He wasn't the stud I expected him to be last year, but you know what, 1200 total yards and 9 TDs ain't bad for a rookie. With no competition for carries, I see him building on that this year.

13. Rashard Mendenhall

Many have him much higher, but I see PIT having a lot of offensive problems this year. I wouldn't mind him being my RB2, but I wouldn't draft him as high as I've seen him go lately.

14. Beanie Wells

Like Mendenhall, I like his opportunity, but hate the situation. I think they have a LOT of problems at QB and I think that will cause a lot of problems for the offense as a whole. I know this is blasphemy to say, but I'm even down of Fitz this year.

15. Ryan Grant

Another guy who gets little respect, Grant has quietly been a more than solid RB2 two years in a row. GB has a high octane offense and that should lead to many scoring chances for Grant.

16. Shonne Greene

This is a guy who I really don't know where to put. I know there are a lot of Greene Kool-Aid drinkers out there, but the guy doesn't catch a lot of balls and will probably be replaced on passing downs by someone who DOES catch a lot of balls: LT2. I also can see him getting dinged up since he likes to just put his head down and punish the defender.

*note, yet another tier drop here*

17. Cedric Benson

This makes me as a Bears fan cry, but he does belong here. I don't see a better season than what he did last year, but I could see it being at least close. The off-field issues drop him a bit for me.

18. Jon Stewart

Easily could sky rocket if anything happens to DeAngelo. Like I said earlier, I don't see this year as his breakout year, but he'll be top 10 next year.

19. Joe Addai

Pretty much everyone in the Indy offense scores, and I don't see Addai as being the aberration. I also wasn't impressed with Donald Brown last year.

20. LeSean McCoy

I was torn here with McCoy and Felix Jones, but McCoy doesn't have a RB the caliber of Barber taking touches away, so he gets the nod.

Players just missing the cut: Felix Jones, Ronnie Brown and Jahvid Best

Huh, 125 views and no comments. Are my rankings that perfect?

In all seriousness, I'm really hoping to get some positive talk going here. I'm interested to hear what other's think.

Deranged Hermit said:

Alright, boring day at work means DH is thinking about his fantasy teams. We did this last year and it was well recieved, so let's give it another shot.

Since pretty much all my leagues are PPR, my rankings will reflect that. I'll do QB and WR eventually, but here's the important one: RBs. Note this is not necessarily where I would draft them, but how I think things will fall by season's end. Obviously you'd be a fool to draft Matthews at 6, when he could be had several picks later (according to a few mocks I've seen). If you have 1.6, trade back a few picks and pick up Matthews there.

1. Chris Johnson

With the contract issues settled, I see little reason not to grab him at number one.

2. Maurice Jones-Drew

Next to no competition for carries, MoJo will be leaned on heavily by the Jags again this year. Will also catch a ton of balls.

3. Adrian Peterson

Yes, he is a stud, but there is something that really bothers me about him this year. It could be the fumbles, it could be Favre wanting to chuck the ball a million times a game, it could be facing tough Defenses weeks 14-16 (I expect NYG, CHI and PHI to be closer to what they were two years ago as opposed to what they were last year). I digress though, the guy has no competition for carries and could easily be argued to be taken at 1 so not a bad deal at 3.

4. Frank Gore

Again, little competition for carries, that seems to be the staple of the top tier so far. Singletary wants to run the ball and has the horse to do so. He has a sweet schedule to do it too.

5. Ray Rice

The fact that Rice is at 5 shows how good I think the top 4 are. No slight to Rice, I just think he has a tougher schedule. That playoff schedule is pretty nice though.

*Note, I see a huge drop-off here*

6. Ryan Matthews

Some years I become enamored with a certain rookie and maybe over value him. That might be the case here but, as I've stated nymerous times, there's no real competition for him on a team who loves to run the ball. Plus, with Jackson suspended and a likely holdout, he could see many a dump-off pass thrown his way this year.

7. Steven Jackson

I see a whole bunch of red flags about this pick, but the talent and opprotunity are too big to ignore. When he plays, he's a PPG beast.

9. Michael Turner

I would draft him in a second over some of the WR I've seen drafted ahead of him in the various leagues I've drafted already. The man is a yardage and TD machine and should be totally recovered from his knee injury from two years ago.

9. Jamaal Charles

Huge limb I'm going out on here, but I really liked what I saw from him last year. Huge red flag though, week 14 and 16 he has SD and TEN so you don't have the cup cake playoff teams he had last year. Having TJ there does concern me a bit, but I really think they want to build aroud the young guy. Incedentally, this is where I would take a WR over a RB were I faced with this in the 1st round of a draft.

10. DeAngelo Williams

Like Turner, he doesn't catch a lot of balls, but, unlike Turner, he has stiff competition for carries. I don't think Stewart overtakes him this year, but I don't like what I see after that.

*Note, I see a drop in talent here, but not as significant as between picks 5 and 6*

11. Pierre Thomas

This guy gets no respect because he plays with the constantly over-rated Reggie Bush. I think he can return to his TD total from two years ago barring significant injury. Makes a decent RB1, a great RB2.

12. Knowshon Moreno

He wasn't the stud I expected him to be last year, but you know what, 1200 total yards and 9 TDs ain't bad for a rookie. With no competition for carries, I see him building on that this year.

13. Rashard Mendenhall

Many have him much higher, but I see PIT having a lot of offensive problems this year. I wouldn't mind him being my RB2, but I wouldn't draft him as high as I've seen him go lately.

14. Beanie Wells

Like Mendenhall, I like his opportunity, but hate the situation. I think they have a LOT of problems at QB and I think that will cause a lot of problems for the offense as a whole. I know this is blasphemy to say, but I'm even down of Fitz this year.

15. Ryan Grant

Another guy who gets little respect, Grant has quietly been a more than solid RB2 two years in a row. GB has a high octane offense and that should lead to many scoring chances for Grant.

16. Shonne Greene

This is a guy who I really don't know where to put. I know there are a lot of Greene Kool-Aid drinkers out there, but the guy doesn't catch a lot of balls and will probably be replaced on passing downs by someone who DOES catch a lot of balls: LT2. I also can see him getting dinged up since he likes to just put his head down and punish the defender.

*note, yet another tier drop here*

17. Cedric Benson

This makes me as a Bears fan cry, but he does belong here. I don't see a better season than what he did last year, but I could see it being at least close. The off-field issues drop him a bit for me.

18. Jon Stewart

Easily could sky rocket if anything happens to DeAngelo. Like I said earlier, I don't see this year as his breakout year, but he'll be top 10 next year.

19. Joe Addai

Pretty much everyone in the Indy offense scores, and I don't see Addai as being the aberration. I also wasn't impressed with Donald Brown last year.

20. LeSean McCoy

I was torn here with McCoy and Felix Jones, but McCoy doesn't have a RB the caliber of Barber taking touches away, so he gets the nod.

Players just missing the cut: Felix Jones, Ronnie Brown and Jahvid Best

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The talent gap didnt sway you towards Jones? The cream always rises, if Jones is better than Baber, he will see plenty of touches in one of the best offenses in the league.

Not a bad list overall, pretty standard with a couple of exceptions.

mathews at 6 "because you tend to overvalue rookies at times" .. the kid has NEVER played an NFL down to date

YET, you're claiming you're "going out on a limb" by putting jamaal charles at 9? who crushed 1000+yards in literally half a season... with a similar if not EASIER schedule than before...

I can argue with some of your thoughts, but theyre yours... the list is fairly understandable but there room for debate.. Mathews at 6 is just ludicrous.

This is non PPR, right? If not I would probably push Addai up a few slots. And maybe add McCoy to the list. But non PPR this is a pretty rock solid list. I'm not a fan of Moreno but that's about my only complaint...

Go deep said:

Deranged Hermit said:

Alright, boring day at work means DH is thinking about his fantasy teams. We did this last year and it was well recieved, so let's give it another shot.

Since pretty much all my leagues are PPR, my rankings will reflect that. I'll do QB and WR eventually, but here's the important one: RBs. Note this is not necessarily where I would draft them, but how I think things will fall by season's end. Obviously you'd be a fool to draft Matthews at 6, when he could be had several picks later (according to a few mocks I've seen). If you have 1.6, trade back a few picks and pick up Matthews there.

1. Chris Johnson

With the contract issues settled, I see little reason not to grab him at number one.

2. Maurice Jones-Drew

Next to no competition for carries, MoJo will be leaned on heavily by the Jags again this year. Will also catch a ton of balls.

3. Adrian Peterson

Yes, he is a stud, but there is something that really bothers me about him this year. It could be the fumbles, it could be Favre wanting to chuck the ball a million times a game, it could be facing tough Defenses weeks 14-16 (I expect NYG, CHI and PHI to be closer to what they were two years ago as opposed to what they were last year). I digress though, the guy has no competition for carries and could easily be argued to be taken at 1 so not a bad deal at 3.

4. Frank Gore

Again, little competition for carries, that seems to be the staple of the top tier so far. Singletary wants to run the ball and has the horse to do so. He has a sweet schedule to do it too.

5. Ray Rice

The fact that Rice is at 5 shows how good I think the top 4 are. No slight to Rice, I just think he has a tougher schedule. That playoff schedule is pretty nice though.

*Note, I see a huge drop-off here*

6. Ryan Matthews

Some years I become enamored with a certain rookie and maybe over value him. That might be the case here but, as I've stated nymerous times, there's no real competition for him on a team who loves to run the ball. Plus, with Jackson suspended and a likely holdout, he could see many a dump-off pass thrown his way this year.

7. Steven Jackson

I see a whole bunch of red flags about this pick, but the talent and opprotunity are too big to ignore. When he plays, he's a PPG beast.

9. Michael Turner

I would draft him in a second over some of the WR I've seen drafted ahead of him in the various leagues I've drafted already. The man is a yardage and TD machine and should be totally recovered from his knee injury from two years ago.

9. Jamaal Charles

Huge limb I'm going out on here, but I really liked what I saw from him last year. Huge red flag though, week 14 and 16 he has SD and TEN so you don't have the cup cake playoff teams he had last year. Having TJ there does concern me a bit, but I really think they want to build aroud the young guy. Incedentally, this is where I would take a WR over a RB were I faced with this in the 1st round of a draft.

10. DeAngelo Williams

Like Turner, he doesn't catch a lot of balls, but, unlike Turner, he has stiff competition for carries. I don't think Stewart overtakes him this year, but I don't like what I see after that.

*Note, I see a drop in talent here, but not as significant as between picks 5 and 6*

11. Pierre Thomas

This guy gets no respect because he plays with the constantly over-rated Reggie Bush. I think he can return to his TD total from two years ago barring significant injury. Makes a decent RB1, a great RB2.

12. Knowshon Moreno

He wasn't the stud I expected him to be last year, but you know what, 1200 total yards and 9 TDs ain't bad for a rookie. With no competition for carries, I see him building on that this year.

13. Rashard Mendenhall

Many have him much higher, but I see PIT having a lot of offensive problems this year. I wouldn't mind him being my RB2, but I wouldn't draft him as high as I've seen him go lately.

14. Beanie Wells

Like Mendenhall, I like his opportunity, but hate the situation. I think they have a LOT of problems at QB and I think that will cause a lot of problems for the offense as a whole. I know this is blasphemy to say, but I'm even down of Fitz this year.

15. Ryan Grant

Another guy who gets little respect, Grant has quietly been a more than solid RB2 two years in a row. GB has a high octane offense and that should lead to many scoring chances for Grant.

16. Shonne Greene

This is a guy who I really don't know where to put. I know there are a lot of Greene Kool-Aid drinkers out there, but the guy doesn't catch a lot of balls and will probably be replaced on passing downs by someone who DOES catch a lot of balls: LT2. I also can see him getting dinged up since he likes to just put his head down and punish the defender.

*note, yet another tier drop here*

17. Cedric Benson

This makes me as a Bears fan cry, but he does belong here. I don't see a better season than what he did last year, but I could see it being at least close. The off-field issues drop him a bit for me.

18. Jon Stewart

Easily could sky rocket if anything happens to DeAngelo. Like I said earlier, I don't see this year as his breakout year, but he'll be top 10 next year.

19. Joe Addai

Pretty much everyone in the Indy offense scores, and I don't see Addai as being the aberration. I also wasn't impressed with Donald Brown last year.

20. LeSean McCoy

I was torn here with McCoy and Felix Jones, but McCoy doesn't have a RB the caliber of Barber taking touches away, so he gets the nod.

Players just missing the cut: Felix Jones, Ronnie Brown and Jahvid Best

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The talent gap didnt sway you towards Jones? The cream always rises, if Jones is better than Baber, he will see plenty of touches in one of the best offenses in the league.

Not a bad list overall, pretty standard with a couple of exceptions.

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In all honesty, I'm not sure the talent gap is that deep. I think Felix is one of those players who look good in flashes (think Reggie Bush) but disappears for big chunks of the game. If Barber is running hot in a game, I have no reason to believe they'll yank him. Who you gonna yank McCoy for? Also, in a PPR format, McCoy catches a lot more balls. Just going from memory, McCoy caught roughly double the balls Jones did.

TheFanatic said:

This is non PPR, right? If not I would probably push Addai up a few slots. And maybe add McCoy to the list. But non PPR this is a pretty rock solid list. I'm not a fan of Moreno but that's about my only complaint...

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It IS PPR, says so at the beginning. I also have McCoy on the list, but failed to bold his name. I'll fix that.

Deranged Hermit said:

Huh, 125 views and no comments. Are my rankings that perfect?

In all seriousness, I'm really hoping to get some positive talk going here. I'm interested to hear what other's think.

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It's a really good list.

I think you have Jamaal Charles too high. He's on a crappy team and his talent is somewhat questionable. He's more in the 14- 16 range for me.

And you probably have Shonn Greene too low. The guy showed what he can do in the playoffs against pretty stout competition. He is running behind the best offensive line in the league. If he starts all season, which I'm not sure at this point is even a question barring injury, he's a lock for a top 10 RB.

If I am in a PPR league, I take Ray Rice #1. Having him at #5 is odd. His O-line is also a beast and he will get 60+ catches this year. He's a monster in PPR.

rizzler said:

mathews at 6 "because you tend to overvalue rookies at times" .. the kid has NEVER played an NFL down to dateYET, you're claiming you're "going out on a limb" by putting jamaal charles at 9? who crushed 1000+yards in literally half a season... with a similar if not EASIER schedule than before...I can argue with some of your thoughts, but theyre yours... the list is fairly understandable but there room for debate.. Mathews at 6 is just ludicrous.

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Again, as I stated in the beginning, this is how I see things when all is said and done at the end of the season. Charles has some competition for carries in KC with TJ there. Many think that TJ will cut in to Charles' carries to an extent that it will kill his value. I don't share that view. Matthews has no one but a change-of-pace back in Sproles as comtetition. He'll get the rock early and often in SD and will get every chance to suceed.The funny thing about this debate is I got Charles and Matthews in a recent draft as my starting backfield and couldn't be happier.

I'm bored to so I'll take a stab:

1) ADP (no Chester this year)

2) MJD (LOTS OF TOUCHES)

3) S-Jax (ditto)

4) Chris Johnson (fast as a speeding bullet)

5) Ray Rice ( great combo player)

6) Gore (top 4 non ppr)

7) Javid Best (I think he will be a stud in ppr)

8) Knowshon Moreno (I think he gets used alot more this year)

9) Ryan Matthews (As long as he stays in on some third downs he will hit the top ten)

10) D. Williams (If Stewart wasn't here he would be #3)

11) P. Thomas (good player in a good offense)

12) M. Turner (not great in ppr but to good of a rb to be any lower)

13) J. Harrison ( I expect alot of touches....especially catches, for Harrison)

14) J. Addai (this is a guy that doesn't get the credit he deserves, as long as he can stay healthy he should put up very good #'s)

15) R. Mendenhall ( I think he should be better in non ppr)

16) C.J. Spiller (only this high in ppr, I think he might catch 70 balls this year)

17) Felix Jones (this is the only guy to have in Dallas this year)

18) L. McCoy (Philly intrigues me this year, I think McCoy will be good not great)

19) J. Charles (not as high on him as others, will be better in ppr than in standard scoring)

20) Ryan Grant ( doesn't catch alot of balls but should be a good rb #2 in ppr)

Blackjacks said:

I'm bored to so I'll take a stab:1) ADP (no Chester this year)2) MJD (LOTS OF TOUCHES)3) S-Jax (ditto)4) Chris Johnson (fast as a speeding bullet)5) Ray Rice ( great combo player)6) Gore (top 4 non ppr)7) Javid Best (I think he will be a stud in ppr)8) Knowshon Moreno (I think he gets used alot more this year)9) Ryan Matthews (As long as he stays in on some third downs he will hit the top ten)10) D. Williams (If Stewart wasn't here he would be #3)11) P. Thomas (good player in a good offense)12) M. Turner (not great in ppr but to good of a rb to be any lower)13) J. Harrison ( I expect alot of touches....especially catches, for Harrison)14) J. Addai (this is a guy that doesn't get the credit he deserves, as long as he can stay healthy he should put up very good #'s)15) R. Mendenhall ( I think he should be better in non ppr)16) C.J. Spiller (only this high in ppr, I think he might catch 70 balls this year)17) Felix Jones (this is the only guy to have in Dallas this year)18) L. McCoy (Philly intrigues me this year, I think McCoy will be good not great)19) J. Charles (not as high on him as others, will be better in ppr than in standard scoring)20) Ryan Grant ( doesn't catch alot of balls but should be a good rb #2 in ppr)

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Adressing the two not on my list: I like Spiller a lot, and hope to get him on many of my teams but, man, I can't get on board with Harrison. I try to stay far away from CLE players.

I have very little to add except that I think Ronnie Brown cracks top 10 this year.

WVU Alum said:

I have very little to add except that I think Ronnie Brown cracks top 10 this year.

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I will be keeping a very close eye on him this year. I worry about the injuries, but if he looks good in the preseason, I think his ADP will shoot up quickly.

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Blackjacks said:

I'm bored to so I'll take a stab:1) ADP (no Chester this year)2) MJD (LOTS OF TOUCHES)3) S-Jax (ditto)4) Chris Johnson (fast as a speeding bullet)5) Ray Rice ( great combo player)6) Gore (top 4 non ppr)7) Javid Best (I think he will be a stud in ppr)8) Knowshon Moreno (I think he gets used alot more this year)9) Ryan Matthews (As long as he stays in on some third downs he will hit the top ten)10) D. Williams (If Stewart wasn't here he would be #3)11) P. Thomas (good player in a good offense)12) M. Turner (not great in ppr but to good of a rb to be any lower)13) J. Harrison ( I expect alot of touches....especially catches, for Harrison)14) J. Addai (this is a guy that doesn't get the credit he deserves, as long as he can stay healthy he should put up very good #'s)15) R. Mendenhall ( I think he should be better in non ppr)16) C.J. Spiller (only this high in ppr, I think he might catch 70 balls this year)17) Felix Jones (this is the only guy to have in Dallas this year)18) L. McCoy (Philly intrigues me this year, I think McCoy will be good not great)19) J. Charles (not as high on him as others, will be better in ppr than in standard scoring)20) Ryan Grant ( doesn't catch alot of balls but should be a good rb #2 in ppr)

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Adressing the two not on my list: I like Spiller a lot, and hope to get him on many of my teams but, man, I can't get on board with Harrison. I try to stay far away from CLE players.

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Here's my reasoning for the Harrison ranking.Mangenius is on the hottest of hot seats, he has to win this year or he is gone. Harrison gave him that chance to show something this year when he was a man on fire at the end of the season last year . If it isn't broke don't fix it. I don't know why so many people are so high on Hardesty. He is a nice rb but Harrison can do it all and has especially show he catch recieve the ball exceptionally out of the backfield.

I thought I would add in my top 20 too since it is a little different.

1. Chris Johnson

2. Adrian Peterson

3. MJD

4. Ray Rice

5. Frank Gore

6. Michael Turner

7. DeAngelo Williams

8. Shonne Greene

9. Steven Jackson

10. Reshard Mendenhall

11. Knowshon Moreno

12. Ryan Grant

13. Jonathan Stewart

14. LeShon McCoy

15. Ryan Matthews

16. Jamaal Charles

17. Cedric Benson

18. Jahvid Best

19. Ronnie Brown

20. Felix Jones

rizzler said:

mathews at 6 "because you tend to overvalue rookies at times" .. the kid has NEVER played an NFL down to dateYET, you're claiming you're "going out on a limb" by putting jamaal charles at 9? who crushed 1000+yards in literally half a season... with a similar if not EASIER schedule than before...I can argue with some of your thoughts, but theyre yours... the list is fairly understandable but there room for debate.. Mathews at 6 is just ludicrous.

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Really, plus with SD telling their LT to stay home? No WR1 to take pressure of the run game? That one selection is just incredibly off. Mathews will be very lucky to crack the top 20 this year. I'd take everyone on your list ahead of him.

Deranged Hermit said:

Huh, 125 views and no comments. Are my rankings that perfect?

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People are afraid of your Squirrel Tokens. No one wants to come near you.

sholditch said:

rizzler said:

mathews at 6 "because you tend to overvalue rookies at times" .. the kid has NEVER played an NFL down to dateYET, you're claiming you're "going out on a limb" by putting jamaal charles at 9? who crushed 1000+yards in literally half a season... with a similar if not EASIER schedule than before...I can argue with some of your thoughts, but theyre yours... the list is fairly understandable but there room for debate.. Mathews at 6 is just ludicrous.

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Really, plus with SD telling their LT to stay home? No WR1 to take pressure of the run game? That one selection is just incredibly off. Mathews will be very lucky to crack the top 20 this year. I'd take everyone on your list ahead of him.

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They still have Gates and Rivers, who should be more than enough to keep the opposing D's from stacking the line. I'm not saying you don't have decent points, I just feel that you're vastly under-rating the SD pass game.

Watch Charles Scott take McCoy's job before the end of the year.

LittlePhatty said:

Deranged Hermit said:

Huh, 125 views and no comments. Are my rankings that perfect?

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People are afraid of your Squirrel Tokens. No one wants to come near you.

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LOL, very few 'get' my user name. Congrats.

Ryan Grant seems to get no love. He is on a top 5 offense, gets nearly all the carries, and has produced in the past. He's not a sexy pick, but he is very safe. I think he's got to be close to the top 10, if not in it.

Deuce said:

Ryan Grant seems to get no love. He is on a top 5 offense, gets nearly all the carries, and has produced in the past. He's not a sexy pick, but he is very safe. I think he's got to be close to the top 10, if not in it.

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I like Grant but the fact is he has never had more than 30 receptions in a year and with all the weapons GB has to catch the ball, I don't see that changing this year.In a non-ppr league he would probably be in the 12-14 range.

Blackjacks said:

I'm bored to so I'll take a stab:1) ADP (no Chester this year)2) MJD (LOTS OF TOUCHES)3) S-Jax (ditto)4) Chris Johnson (fast as a speeding bullet)5) Ray Rice ( great combo player)6) Gore (top 4 non ppr)7) Javid Best (I think he will be a stud in ppr)8) Knowshon Moreno (I think he gets used alot more this year)9) Ryan Matthews (As long as he stays in on some third downs he will hit the top ten)10) D. Williams (If Stewart wasn't here he would be #3)11) P. Thomas (good player in a good offense)12) M. Turner (not great in ppr but to good of a rb to be any lower)13) J. Harrison ( I expect alot of touches....especially catches, for Harrison)14) J. Addai (this is a guy that doesn't get the credit he deserves, as long as he can stay healthy he should put up very good #'s)15) R. Mendenhall ( I think he should be better in non ppr)16) C.J. Spiller (only this high in ppr, I think he might catch 70 balls this year)17) Felix Jones (this is the only guy to have in Dallas this year)18) L. McCoy (Philly intrigues me this year, I think McCoy will be good not great)19) J. Charles (not as high on him as others, will be better in ppr than in standard scoring)20) Ryan Grant ( doesn't catch alot of balls but should be a good rb #2 in ppr)

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Things sure have changed in a little over 10 weeks in your opinion of Beanie and Turner: I'm assuming this is non PPR below:

Blackjacks said:

ADP- No Chester should mean even bigger numbersMJD- By far there best weaponGore- That Oline looks great now and they have other weapons to help take off the pressure from GoreMendenhall- I thnk the Steelers are gonna get back to Steeler football this year and run the ballB. Wells- Leinart = run the ball moreC. Johnson- I know this will spark up some conversation but anyone that thinks he will put up the same numbers is crazy plus he might lose Mawae.S. Jackson- Great talent and the team is getting alittle better around him. Another good year for S-JaxR. Rice- I think people that are putting him in the top 5 are expecting alittle much. Top 10 should be his expectionsD Williams- If him or Stewart would ever get hurt the other would be in my top 5.R. Grant-I don't think Grant is a great talent but his situation is perfect.Surprises that are left off: Micheal Turner and Cedric Benson. I like both of these guys cause they get carries but both are getting alittle long in the tooth and both have talented younger players behind them that will take some touches.

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Beanie top 5 in non PPR but not in the top 20 in PPR. Is that statistically possible?Turner too long in the tooth to be in the top 10 in a non PPR and in the top 12 in a PPR?

Deranged Hermit said:

LittlePhatty said:

Deranged Hermit said:

Huh, 125 views and no comments. Are my rankings that perfect?

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People are afraid of your Squirrel Tokens. No one wants to come near you.

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LOL, very few 'get' my user name. Congrats.

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I'm not sure anyone should be congratulating anyone here or admitting that they "get" what the reference is to. For the record I had to google it...

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LittlePhatty said:

Deranged Hermit said:

Huh, 125 views and no comments. Are my rankings that perfect?

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LOL, very few 'get' my user name. Congrats.

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lol. good times.. I mean.. I had to look it up. riiiiight I actually think I have some of those around here somewhere... I am a huge dork. sigh

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Go deep said:

Deranged Hermit said:

Alright, boring day at work means DH is thinking about his fantasy teams. We did this last year and it was well recieved, so let's give it another shot.

Since pretty much all my leagues are PPR, my rankings will reflect that. I'll do QB and WR eventually, but here's the important one: RBs. Note this is not necessarily where I would draft them, but how I think things will fall by season's end. Obviously you'd be a fool to draft Matthews at 6, when he could be had several picks later (according to a few mocks I've seen). If you have 1.6, trade back a few picks and pick up Matthews there.

1. Chris Johnson

With the contract issues settled, I see little reason not to grab him at number one.

2. Maurice Jones-Drew

Next to no competition for carries, MoJo will be leaned on heavily by the Jags again this year. Will also catch a ton of balls.

3. Adrian Peterson

Yes, he is a stud, but there is something that really bothers me about him this year. It could be the fumbles, it could be Favre wanting to chuck the ball a million times a game, it could be facing tough Defenses weeks 14-16 (I expect NYG, CHI and PHI to be closer to what they were two years ago as opposed to what they were last year). I digress though, the guy has no competition for carries and could easily be argued to be taken at 1 so not a bad deal at 3.

4. Frank Gore

Again, little competition for carries, that seems to be the staple of the top tier so far. Singletary wants to run the ball and has the horse to do so. He has a sweet schedule to do it too.

5. Ray Rice

The fact that Rice is at 5 shows how good I think the top 4 are. No slight to Rice, I just think he has a tougher schedule. That playoff schedule is pretty nice though.

*Note, I see a huge drop-off here*

6. Ryan Matthews

Some years I become enamored with a certain rookie and maybe over value him. That might be the case here but, as I've stated nymerous times, there's no real competition for him on a team who loves to run the ball. Plus, with Jackson suspended and a likely holdout, he could see many a dump-off pass thrown his way this year.

7. Steven Jackson

I see a whole bunch of red flags about this pick, but the talent and opprotunity are too big to ignore. When he plays, he's a PPG beast.

9. Michael Turner

I would draft him in a second over some of the WR I've seen drafted ahead of him in the various leagues I've drafted already. The man is a yardage and TD machine and should be totally recovered from his knee injury from two years ago.

9. Jamaal Charles

Huge limb I'm going out on here, but I really liked what I saw from him last year. Huge red flag though, week 14 and 16 he has SD and TEN so you don't have the cup cake playoff teams he had last year. Having TJ there does concern me a bit, but I really think they want to build aroud the young guy. Incedentally, this is where I would take a WR over a RB were I faced with this in the 1st round of a draft.

10. DeAngelo Williams

Like Turner, he doesn't catch a lot of balls, but, unlike Turner, he has stiff competition for carries. I don't think Stewart overtakes him this year, but I don't like what I see after that.

*Note, I see a drop in talent here, but not as significant as between picks 5 and 6*

11. Pierre Thomas

This guy gets no respect because he plays with the constantly over-rated Reggie Bush. I think he can return to his TD total from two years ago barring significant injury. Makes a decent RB1, a great RB2.

12. Knowshon Moreno

He wasn't the stud I expected him to be last year, but you know what, 1200 total yards and 9 TDs ain't bad for a rookie. With no competition for carries, I see him building on that this year.

13. Rashard Mendenhall

Many have him much higher, but I see PIT having a lot of offensive problems this year. I wouldn't mind him being my RB2, but I wouldn't draft him as high as I've seen him go lately.

14. Beanie Wells

Like Mendenhall, I like his opportunity, but hate the situation. I think they have a LOT of problems at QB and I think that will cause a lot of problems for the offense as a whole. I know this is blasphemy to say, but I'm even down of Fitz this year.

15. Ryan Grant

Another guy who gets little respect, Grant has quietly been a more than solid RB2 two years in a row. GB has a high octane offense and that should lead to many scoring chances for Grant.

16. Shonne Greene

This is a guy who I really don't know where to put. I know there are a lot of Greene Kool-Aid drinkers out there, but the guy doesn't catch a lot of balls and will probably be replaced on passing downs by someone who DOES catch a lot of balls: LT2. I also can see him getting dinged up since he likes to just put his head down and punish the defender.

*note, yet another tier drop here*

17. Cedric Benson

This makes me as a Bears fan cry, but he does belong here. I don't see a better season than what he did last year, but I could see it being at least close. The off-field issues drop him a bit for me.

18. Jon Stewart

Easily could sky rocket if anything happens to DeAngelo. Like I said earlier, I don't see this year as his breakout year, but he'll be top 10 next year.

19. Joe Addai

Pretty much everyone in the Indy offense scores, and I don't see Addai as being the aberration. I also wasn't impressed with Donald Brown last year.

20. LeSean McCoy

I was torn here with McCoy and Felix Jones, but McCoy doesn't have a RB the caliber of Barber taking touches away, so he gets the nod.

Players just missing the cut: Felix Jones, Ronnie Brown and Jahvid Best

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The talent gap didnt sway you towards Jones? The cream always rises, if Jones is better than Baber, he will see plenty of touches in one of the best offenses in the league.

Not a bad list overall, pretty standard with a couple of exceptions.

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In all honesty, I'm not sure the talent gap is that deep. I think Felix is one of those players who look good in flashes (think Reggie Bush) but disappears for big chunks of the game. If Barber is running hot in a game, I have no reason to believe they'll yank him. Who you gonna yank McCoy for? Also, in a PPR format, McCoy catches a lot more balls. Just going from memory, McCoy caught roughly double the balls Jones did.

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I have no problem with you ranking(or not ranking) Felix that low. I do think your reasons are off however. The only reason he disappears for stretches was because he got hurt. As far as the Bush Comparison, they couldnt be any further apart. Bush averaged 3.6 YPC in his first two seasons. Jones has averaged 6.1 YPC in his first two seasons, including 6.3 last year with 116 carries. Not to mention his 217 yards on 30 carries in the two playoff games last season. The only thing stopping this guy from top 5-10 FF numbers is injury. Here are my top 20 RB's right off my cheatsheet that i am using right now in 2 PPR leagues.

1. Chris Johnson

2. Maurice Jones-Drew

3. Adrian Peterson

4. Ray Rice

5. Frank Gore

6. Steven Jackson

7. Jamal Charles

8. Chris Wells

9. Felix Jones

10. Michael Turner

11. Ryan Mathews

12. Pierre Thomas

13. Knowshon Moreno

14. Lesean Mccoy

15. Jahvid Best

16. Ryan Grant

17. Rashard Mendenhall

18. Shonn Greene

19. Deangelo Williams

20. Jonathan Stewart

I actually have a pretty big drop after the top 20 too, so these are my clear top 20 RB's.

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Blackjacks said:

I'm bored to so I'll take a stab:1) ADP (no Chester this year)2) MJD (LOTS OF TOUCHES)3) S-Jax (ditto)4) Chris Johnson (fast as a speeding bullet)5) Ray Rice ( great combo player)6) Gore (top 4 non ppr)7) Javid Best (I think he will be a stud in ppr)8) Knowshon Moreno (I think he gets used alot more this year)9) Ryan Matthews (As long as he stays in on some third downs he will hit the top ten)10) D. Williams (If Stewart wasn't here he would be #3)11) P. Thomas (good player in a good offense)12) M. Turner (not great in ppr but to good of a rb to be any lower)13) J. Harrison ( I expect alot of touches....especially catches, for Harrison)14) J. Addai (this is a guy that doesn't get the credit he deserves, as long as he can stay healthy he should put up very good #'s)15) R. Mendenhall ( I think he should be better in non ppr)16) C.J. Spiller (only this high in ppr, I think he might catch 70 balls this year)17) Felix Jones (this is the only guy to have in Dallas this year)18) L. McCoy (Philly intrigues me this year, I think McCoy will be good not great)19) J. Charles (not as high on him as others, will be better in ppr than in standard scoring)20) Ryan Grant ( doesn't catch alot of balls but should be a good rb #2 in ppr)

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Things sure have changed in a little over 10 weeks in your opinion of Beanie and Turner: I'm assuming this is non PPR below:

Blackjacks said:

ADP- No Chester should mean even bigger numbersMJD- By far there best weaponGore- That Oline looks great now and they have other weapons to help take off the pressure from GoreMendenhall- I thnk the Steelers are gonna get back to Steeler football this year and run the ballB. Wells- Leinart = run the ball moreC. Johnson- I know this will spark up some conversation but anyone that thinks he will put up the same numbers is crazy plus he might lose Mawae.S. Jackson- Great talent and the team is getting alittle better around him. Another good year for S-JaxR. Rice- I think people that are putting him in the top 5 are expecting alittle much. Top 10 should be his expectionsD Williams- If him or Stewart would ever get hurt the other would be in my top 5.R. Grant-I don't think Grant is a great talent but his situation is perfect.Surprises that are left off: Micheal Turner and Cedric Benson. I like both of these guys cause they get carries but both are getting alittle long in the tooth and both have talented younger players behind them that will take some touches.

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Beanie top 5 in non PPR but not in the top 20 in PPR. Is that statistically possible?Turner too long in the tooth to be in the top 10 in a non PPR and in the top 12 in a PPR?

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Holy Cow, in the last 3 months I have slightly changed views on 2 guys in 2 totally differently scoring formats.I might have been premature about the top 5 ranking for Beannie until I hear he is going to start and Turner is supposively 100% so he has gotten a bump.Pretty self explanatory but thanks for bringing to my attention.How high do you have McClain ranked this year buddy???????

Deranged Hermit said:

Huh, 125 views and no comments. Are my rankings that perfect?

In all seriousness, I'm really hoping to get some positive talk going here. I'm interested to hear what other's think.

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I'm envisioning Adam Sandler in the beginning of The Waterboy, hopping around in the end zone asking his teammates to high-five him.

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sholditch said:

rizzler said:

mathews at 6 "because you tend to overvalue rookies at times" .. the kid has NEVER played an NFL down to dateYET, you're claiming you're "going out on a limb" by putting jamaal charles at 9? who crushed 1000+yards in literally half a season... with a similar if not EASIER schedule than before...I can argue with some of your thoughts, but theyre yours... the list is fairly understandable but there room for debate.. Mathews at 6 is just ludicrous.

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Really, plus with SD telling their LT to stay home? No WR1 to take pressure of the run game? That one selection is just incredibly off. Mathews will be very lucky to crack the top 20 this year. I'd take everyone on your list ahead of him.

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They still have Gates and Rivers, who should be more than enough to keep the opposing D's from stacking the line. I'm not saying you don't have decent points, I just feel that you're vastly under-rating the SD pass game.

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I think the loss of McNeil is really what's going to hurt Mathews. That line sucked with McNeil in last year. Can't imagine how many hits Mathews is going to take in the backfield with that unit losing its LT and lone pro-bowler (albeit former).

TheFanatic said:

Deranged Hermit said:

LittlePhatty said:

Deranged Hermit said:

Huh, 125 views and no comments. Are my rankings that perfect?

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People are afraid of your Squirrel Tokens. No one wants to come near you.

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LOL, very few 'get' my user name. Congrats.

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I'm not sure anyone should be congratulating anyone here or admitting that they "get" what the reference is to. For the record I had to google it...

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Riiiigggghhhhttt, and fantasy football is really that much different. You're a geek too buddy.

Deranged Hermit said:

TheFanatic said:

Deranged Hermit said:

LittlePhatty said:

Deranged Hermit said:

Huh, 125 views and no comments. Are my rankings that perfect?

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People are afraid of your Squirrel Tokens. No one wants to come near you.

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LOL, very few 'get' my user name. Congrats.

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I'm not sure anyone should be congratulating anyone here or admitting that they "get" what the reference is to. For the record I had to google it...

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Riiiigggghhhhttt, and fantasy football is really that much different. You're a geek too buddy.

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cant beleive you guys made me look that up

Somewhere, my company's computer security guys just saw that I googled 'Deranged Hermit Squirrel Tokens', exchanged a knowing glance, and thought, "This Pig guy is alright."

sholditch said:

Deranged Hermit said:

sholditch said:

rizzler said:

mathews at 6 "because you tend to overvalue rookies at times" .. the kid has NEVER played an NFL down to dateYET, you're claiming you're "going out on a limb" by putting jamaal charles at 9? who crushed 1000+yards in literally half a season... with a similar if not EASIER schedule than before...I can argue with some of your thoughts, but theyre yours... the list is fairly understandable but there room for debate.. Mathews at 6 is just ludicrous.

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Really, plus with SD telling their LT to stay home? No WR1 to take pressure of the run game? That one selection is just incredibly off. Mathews will be very lucky to crack the top 20 this year. I'd take everyone on your list ahead of him.

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They still have Gates and Rivers, who should be more than enough to keep the opposing D's from stacking the line. I'm not saying you don't have decent points, I just feel that you're vastly under-rating the SD pass game.

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I think the loss of McNeil is really what's going to hurt Mathews. That line sucked with McNeil in last year. Can't imagine how many hits Mathews is going to take in the backfield with that unit losing its LT and lone pro-bowler (albeit former).

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To my knowledge McNeil COULD be holding out which is way different from being lost for the season.

Blackjacks said:

sholditch said:

Deranged Hermit said:

sholditch said:

rizzler said:

mathews at 6 "because you tend to overvalue rookies at times" .. the kid has NEVER played an NFL down to dateYET, you're claiming you're "going out on a limb" by putting jamaal charles at 9? who crushed 1000+yards in literally half a season... with a similar if not EASIER schedule than before...I can argue with some of your thoughts, but theyre yours... the list is fairly understandable but there room for debate.. Mathews at 6 is just ludicrous.

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Really, plus with SD telling their LT to stay home? No WR1 to take pressure of the run game? That one selection is just incredibly off. Mathews will be very lucky to crack the top 20 this year. I'd take everyone on your list ahead of him.

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They still have Gates and Rivers, who should be more than enough to keep the opposing D's from stacking the line. I'm not saying you don't have decent points, I just feel that you're vastly under-rating the SD pass game.

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I think the loss of McNeil is really what's going to hurt Mathews. That line sucked with McNeil in last year. Can't imagine how many hits Mathews is going to take in the backfield with that unit losing its LT and lone pro-bowler (albeit former).

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To my knowledge McNeil COULD be holding out which is way different from being lost for the season.

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That's why it's tough to do these rankings 6 weeks early. I expect these rankings to change vastly when I do my three money league drafts/auction the weekend before the season starts. The RBBC's will probably start to show a front runner, people will get hurt, teams might sign/trade for help on their o-lines, etc.

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Somewhere, my company's computer security guys just saw that I googled 'Deranged Hermit Squirrel Tokens', exchanged a knowing glance, and thought, "This Pig guy is alright."

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I'd bump Mendenhall to the top 10 and drop Charles out of the top 10.

Deranged Hermit said:

TheFanatic said:

Deranged Hermit said:

LittlePhatty said:

Deranged Hermit said:

Huh, 125 views and no comments. Are my rankings that perfect?

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People are afraid of your Squirrel Tokens. No one wants to come near you.

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LOL, very few 'get' my user name. Congrats.

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I'm not sure anyone should be congratulating anyone here or admitting that they "get" what the reference is to. For the record I had to google it...

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Riiiigggghhhhttt, and fantasy football is really that much different. You're a geek too buddy.

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Can't argue with that. Carry on...

Deranged Hermit said:

Flyin Pigs said:

Somewhere, my company's computer security guys just saw that I googled 'Deranged Hermit Squirrel Tokens', exchanged a knowing glance, and thought, "This Pig guy is alright."

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Every draft I try to Mind Twist someone, hoping they will forget their draft board. It hasn't worked yet, but I feel lucky this year.