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Is L.McCoy undervalued? (1 Viewer)

Hear-the-Footsteps

Hear-the-Footsteps

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LeSean McCoy is generally being considered RB15 - RB22.

Here's what I don't understand. McCoy is the starting RB now. He doesn't have to beat out the aging Westbrook. Westbrook is gone.

McCoy did decent in his rookie year.

And the RBs going off in the same range all have other RBs on their team to worry about. Seems like McCoy has less risk due to this alone.

RBs going off in the same range...

Wells - Hightower is still there, who btw, performed pretty decently. Just about 600 rushing yards and featured much more in the passing game (63 receptions). With no more Warner or Boldin, I imagine teams will stack the box. And to give Wells relief, there's Hightower.

Stewart - Ridiculous talent. Great RB. But DeAngelo isn't going to see at least 200 carries?!?!

P.Thomas - Bush is there. And they are a passing team.

R.Brown - Ricky is still there. Did anyone else notice how well Ricky did last season?

Addai - Lots of people thinking decent things for Donald Brown this year.

F.Jones - Love this guy. But another situation where a decent RB is still there...M.Barber.

My point is simply this - I like a bunch of these RBs. But doesn't McCoy present the least risk? Doesn't he have the biggest leash b/c who else is there? Whereas with these other RBs listed above, they all have someone there that could eat into their touches. So while McCoy is being ranked in the same tier as Wells, Stewart, Thomas, Brown, Addai, and Felix - doesn't he have the least to worry about with respect to RB competition on his team?

If someone said, "hey, westbrook may be getting old, but he'll still see 10 total touches a game" - I could understand a little worrying. McCoy being the starter, but Westbrook getting just enough touches to reduce McCoy's true value. But that isn't the case. Westbrook is gone.

Am I missing something? Are people worried that Charles will be the goal-line guy or something?!

 
I think Mike Bell will be the short yardage guy but I think McCoy is the closest thing to this years Ray Rice as there is. Should get 50 catches and could get up to 70 catches. I see 1200 yards with upside to go to 1500 yards and anywhere from 5-7 TDs. Great value as his current ADP.

 
Westbrook only had double digit carries in weeks 1 + 2 last season, missed several games, and otherwise was a shell of his former self. There wasn't much of a battle for carries, yet McCoy only had 10 or more carries in 7 games (out of 17 counting the playoffs).

I agree he "should" get the lion's share of the carries this year, but the Eagles didn't exactly overload him with work last year.

 
Generally speaking, I think people are a little afraid of the situation as a whole. You essentially have a rookie QB manning the ship and I'm concerned about McCoy's so-so season last year. He just might not be as talented as we perceived.

It adds up to uncertainity and the other situations are known quantities IMO.

 
I see your point, but taking the Devil's advocate position, everyone else on your list (short of Jones) has proven to be productive in the league more so than McCoy. Add to that, Reed's general distaste for running the ball and the risk of Kolb busting out and I see why McCoy isn't going higher.

All that said, I wouldn't fault you for liking McCoy over some of those guys but it might be a stretch to say he presents the least risk of the bunch.

 
Your overwhelming argument here is situation. Situation is beneficial to him, but there are far too many unknowns about his talent. I would put Wells, Stewart, Thomas, and Felix above him talent wise. McCoy is an unknown quantity. He didn't impress me much last season. I think McCoy's greatest value will be from his receptions in PPR leagues.

 
I just don't think McCoy is a player....period.

He isn't powerful....fast....he just jukes and cuts a lot without great acceleration.

I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Bell took over the starting gig at some point this season.

 
benson_will_lead_the_way said:
I just don't think McCoy is a player....period.He isn't powerful....fast....he just jukes and cuts a lot without great acceleration.I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Bell took over the starting gig at some point this season.
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These are my thoughts as well. I'm not impressed at all with McCoy.As to the original post, I'm not sure why all the focus is on no Westbrook in the mix. He was hardly in the mix last season. The post seems to be slanted towards McCoy having no competition for carries but fails to mention that McCoy lost significant carries last season to Leonard Weaver a career FB, who througly outperfromed McCoy, and the Eagles brought in Mike Bell who is a solid battering Ram type runner. I'm with those that think Mike Bell could end up getting the majority of carries when all is said and done.
 
Futz said:
Generally speaking, I think people are a little afraid of the situation as a whole. You essentially have a rookie QB manning the ship and I'm concerned about McCoy's so-so season last year. He just might not be as talented as we perceived.It adds up to uncertainity and the other situations are known quantities IMO.
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I don't think it was just a "so-so season" as you put it.1) It was his first year in the NFL. Add in another offseason of workouts; another preseason to test your stuff in games; and the simple fact that he has a year of experience under his belt now.2) 155-637-4 is decent. You can't expect 1300 yards when you're only given 155 carries. So looking at his ypc, it was 4.1 (not bad).3) 40-308-0 in the air is decent. Combined it means he had nearly 1000 total yards, despite not going into the season as the true starter, and despite being a rookie.4) As for "might not be as talented as we perceived"... How do you know yet? The kid is only 21 and has had fewer than 200 total touches in the NFL so far. How do you know he isn't talented?5) Yes, there is uncertainty. But all those RBs in that range have uncertainty. Felix - how much of a role? How short of a leash given they have Barber and Choice? Ronnie - how big of a role? Are they all of a sudden going to overlook just how good Ricky was last year? Ricky had nearly 1400 yards and 13 TDs. McCoy doesn't have to deal with anyone on the roster close to that talent level backing him up, waiting for his chance.
 
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Avery said:
I see your point, but taking the Devil's advocate position, everyone else on your list (short of Jones) has proven to be productive in the league more so than McCoy. Add to that, Reed's general distaste for running the ball and the risk of Kolb busting out and I see why McCoy isn't going higher.All that said, I wouldn't fault you for liking McCoy over some of those guys but it might be a stretch to say he presents the least risk of the bunch.
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True. The others have proven to be productive. But as I've mentioned, that doesn't negate who they have waiting in their wings should they start slow, or fumble too much, or simply to steal some series' every now and then.Ronnie has definitely shown productivity...but so has Ricky!Addai was decent last year...but given this is his last yr under contract, might they want to see what they potentially have in Donald Brown (Brown was only a rookie last year).Wells has great potential...but Hightower has proven he is decent as well.
 
Hear-the-Footsteps said:
Futz said:
Generally speaking, I think people are a little afraid of the situation as a whole. You essentially have a rookie QB manning the ship and I'm concerned about McCoy's so-so season last year. He just might not be as talented as we perceived.It adds up to uncertainity and the other situations are known quantities IMO.
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I don't think it was just a "so-so season" as you put it.1) It was his first year in the NFL. Add in another offseason of workouts; another preseason to test your stuff in games; and the simple fact that he has a year of experience under his belt now.2) 155-637-4 is decent. You can't expect 1300 yards when you're only given 155 carries. So looking at his ypc, it was 4.1 (not bad).3) 40-308-0 in the air is decent. Combined it means he had nearly 1000 total yards, despite not going into the season as the true starter, and despite being a rookie.4) As for "might not be as talented as we perceived"... How do you know yet? The kid is only 21 and has had fewer than 200 total touches in the NFL so far. How do you know he isn't talented?5) Yes, there is uncertainty. But all those RBs in that range have uncertainty. Felix - how much of a role? How short of a leash given they have Barber and choice? Ronnie - how big of a role? Are they all of a suddent going to overlook just how good Ricky was last year? Ricky had nearly 1400 yards and 13 TDs. McCoy doesn't have to deal with anyone on the roster close to that talent level backing him up, waiting for his chance.
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While I appreciate the fact that you pulled up the #s on LeSean, that's all they are, just #s. I don't concern myself with them when I'm evaluating a young player. He has to pass the eyeball test with me. Do I like what I'm seeing? The answer thus far is no. But, he's young and has a season under his belt now as you point out. Perhaps he improves and becomes the man. I said he "might" not be as talented as perceived. There's reason to question it.All those RBs have questions surrounding their situations, but not their talent. That's where the difference lies IMO.
 
I guess I am just trying to figure out my rankings and I am finding this tier of RBs hard. And I like to take the time to really consider the players in this tier b/c that could easily make or break you. I don't think taking Peterson over Johnson, or Johnson over Peterson is what will make or break someone this season (though it could). I think figuring out who among Felix, McCoy, Addai, D.Brown, Ronnie, Ricky, Wells, Hightower, etc - becomes this season's Ray Rice can easily make you! Which RB can be drafted in the 4th round that becomes a top 10 RB this year? Or in Rice's case...becomes a top 5! Now that is huge! So while trying to rank this tier, I guess I just see McCoy as having the best opportunity and the longest leash should things not start off well right away. I agree with others that I don't think he is the most talented. I love Felix's talent and his near 6 ypc. But with Barber and Choice there, not to mention tons of receiving weapons in Austin, Clark, Dez, etc...I am scared to grab Felix too early...even though I think he could easily have an awesome season! Figuring out this group of RBs could be key.

 
I was offered S.Bradford,Mccoy for Best,Orton in a ppr 12 team and declined... what do you guys think... Mccoy or Best... I was thinking Best I think he has a higher ceiling and could be number 1 guy for a while in D

 
Well my suggestion is that because anyone who watched the Philly games last year saw what McCoy did even as a start it was frustrating to watch. He would get one carry, then their FB (forget name) would run 3 consecutive times, then 4 passes then fullback. 80 yard 9 play drive and he would only touch the ball once.

And to boot the FB was getting large chunks of yards when McCoy wasn't. Plus he was not in on goaline situations very much last year.

 
I drafted McCoy late last year in an effort to "skate where the puck is going to be."

Westbrook was effectively out of the picture almost right away (and then simply out of the picture) and my hope was to slot in some production based on the quality of the offense.

As has been mentioned Weaver often ate into his touches, which is especially grim when in some games they barely had double digit attempts COMBINED.

Chargers (week 10): McCoy 3, Weaver 2

Falcons (week 13): McCoy 6, Weaver 5

Broncos (week 16): McCoy 6, Weaver 7

 
He could be this year's Jamaal Charles. He could also be another Darren McFadden.

I liked this kid until about January 2009, his infamously awful workout numbers were red flag #1, and he compounded that with a very underwhelming rookie season.

He has better pad speed than breakaway speed, but he isn't fast or strong enough to be the dancer that he was last year. If he doesn't improve then he'll go the way of DMC, if he does improve then his owners will be smiling ear to ear come December. I don't feel comfortable or confident enough to take him at his current ADP though, I'd prefer to take a risk on Best, Felix, or Addai a round or two later.

 
The OP has a solid point regarding the situation. LeSean McCoy probably doesn't have to be Westbrook 2.0 to put up big fantasy points in PPR. I seem to remember Buckhalter putting up RB1 numbers when Westbrook was out or left the game early. Even a 21 year old McCoy averaged top end RB2 stats when Westbrook was down. This is an amazing situation. However, if you simply don't think he has the goods, then I don't see how you draft him over guys like Beanie Wells, etc. There are just too many variables that go into a situation, not the least of which are philosophy changes that accompany a new QB and multi-talented FB. (fwiw, McCoy put up nice stats in the one game he started with Kolb, but it was vs KC)

I think the case for McCoy lies not in his high floor, but in his high ceiling. There were several weaknesses in his overall game last year, but I thought he showed the lateral agility, explosiveness, and creativity to be a breakout candidate. Admittedly, I'm just a football fan with an internet connection, but the Eagles have given every indication that they trust McCoy to step up this year. In addition to quotes from the staff, they released Westbrook and only brought in pedestrian bruisers like Mike Bell and Charles Scott. In fact, Eldra Buckley seems to be the closest to a backup speed back on the roster. This is not just an argument based on situation, but based on the evaluation and decisions of the people who have been working closely with McCoy over the past year.

 
swirvenirvin said:
Well my suggestion is that because anyone who watched the Philly games last year saw what McCoy did even as a start it was frustrating to watch. He would get one carry, then their FB (forget name) would run 3 consecutive times, then 4 passes then fullback. 80 yard 9 play drive and he would only touch the ball once.And to boot the FB was getting large chunks of yards when McCoy wasn't. Plus he was not in on goaline situations very much last year.
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He was very frustrating to own last year. I remember making it a priority to draft Westbrook and McCoy. When Westbrook was taken out of the picture, I was smiling ear-to-ear. Only later to have the look of :) .Fortunately I had an additional backup plan in Hightower and won my league.
 
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I drafted McCoy late last year in an effort to "skate where the puck is going to be." Westbrook was effectively out of the picture almost right away (and then simply out of the picture) and my hope was to slot in some production based on the quality of the offense. As has been mentioned Weaver often ate into his touches, which is especially grim when in some games they barely had double digit attempts COMBINED.Chargers (week 10): McCoy 3, Weaver 2Falcons (week 13): McCoy 6, Weaver 5Broncos (week 16): McCoy 6, Weaver 7
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:bag: I want to like McCoy as well. But over the last five games last year he averaged 9 touches per game and the Eagles didn't exaclty have stud taking away touches from him. Like McCoy all you want but how much do you trust Marty and Andy to give McCoy touches?
 
McCoy set an Eagle rookie rushing record last year. I hear a lot of guys down on him, but have continuously found myself wondering why.

He was VERY young, and a rookie in a complex scheme that emphasises the pass, yet put up OK numbers when asked to be the primary ballcarrier. Barring injury, I see a high end RB2 as a floor in PPR, not a ceiling....and that's assuming that he's the pedestrian talent many on here make him out to be. For those questioning his talent in non-ppr, he still makes a relatively safe low end RB2.

 
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McCoy set an Eagle rookie rushing record last year. I hear a lot of guys down on him, but have continuously found myself wondering why.He was VERY young, and a rookie in a complex scheme that emphasises the pass, yet put up OK numbers when asked to be the primary ballcarrier. Barring injury, I see a high end RB2 as a floor in PPR, not a ceiling....and that's assuming that he's the pedestrian talent many on here make him out to be. For those questioning his talent in non-ppr, he still makes a relatively safe low end RB2.
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That said, would you draft him over Addai, Felix, Forte, Ronnie, or Wells?
 
T with T said:
I was offered S.Bradford,Mccoy for Best,Orton in a ppr 12 team and declined... what do you guys think... Mccoy or Best... I was thinking Best I think he has a higher ceiling and could be number 1 guy for a while in D
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Love this deal for you. McCoy and Best are very very close while Orton Bradford is not close.
 
Billy Ball Thorton said:
T with T said:
I was offered S.Bradford,Mccoy for Best,Orton in a ppr 12 team and declined... what do you guys think... Mccoy or Best... I was thinking Best I think he has a higher ceiling and could be number 1 guy for a while in D
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Love this deal for you. McCoy and Best are very very close while Orton Bradford is not close.
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Yea but I like Best better and I have Big ben, mcnabb so I dont really need a qb... my rbs areSjaxCharlesBestSlaton
 
the spanker said:
renesauz said:
McCoy set an Eagle rookie rushing record last year. I hear a lot of guys down on him, but have continuously found myself wondering why.He was VERY young, and a rookie in a complex scheme that emphasises the pass, yet put up OK numbers when asked to be the primary ballcarrier. Barring injury, I see a high end RB2 as a floor in PPR, not a ceiling....and that's assuming that he's the pedestrian talent many on here make him out to be. For those questioning his talent in non-ppr, he still makes a relatively safe low end RB2.
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That said, would you draft him over Addai, Felix, Forte, Ronnie, or Wells?
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Redraft PPR...yes, except maybe Felix...that's one I'll be watching closely. In non-PPR, it's quite a bit more fuzzy. McCoy might well double most of these guys in receptions.
 
David Yudkin said:
Westbrook only had double digit carries in weeks 1 + 2 last season, missed several games, and otherwise was a shell of his former self. There wasn't much of a battle for carries, yet McCoy only had 10 or more carries in 7 games (out of 17 counting the playoffs).I agree he "should" get the lion's share of the carries this year, but the Eagles didn't exactly overload him with work last year.
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This could be explained by poor blocking skills. I'm not saying he wasn't a great blocker last year, I'm just saying it's a possibility. That being said, jettisoning Westbrook and only bringing in Bell says to me that they are ready to hand the keys to this kid. He does have a better opportunity than any of the RB's the OP mentioned except for maybe Ronnie Brown as I don't see Ricky doing much this year. And while Ronnie's position is as good as McCoy's in terms of depth, Ronnie's biggest nemesis is himself and his health. I'll take McCoy for top 12, maybe even top 10. I think he could be higher if Bell loses time due to injury because I think he's going to get a ton of yardage and then he would get the TD's that I think Bell will hawk. People will argue that teams will try to shut down the run and make Kolb beat them with his arm. To me that's a bad idea with those WR's. They can't possibly leave DeSean and Maclin in single coverage all game to stop McCoy. It's almost like teams need to double those two and see if McCoy can beat them. But that's just my take...
 
Futz said:
Hear-the-Footsteps said:
Futz said:
Generally speaking, I think people are a little afraid of the situation as a whole. You essentially have a rookie QB manning the ship and I'm concerned about McCoy's so-so season last year. He just might not be as talented as we perceived.It adds up to uncertainity and the other situations are known quantities IMO.
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I don't think it was just a "so-so season" as you put it.1) It was his first year in the NFL. Add in another offseason of workouts; another preseason to test your stuff in games; and the simple fact that he has a year of experience under his belt now.2) 155-637-4 is decent. You can't expect 1300 yards when you're only given 155 carries. So looking at his ypc, it was 4.1 (not bad).3) 40-308-0 in the air is decent. Combined it means he had nearly 1000 total yards, despite not going into the season as the true starter, and despite being a rookie.4) As for "might not be as talented as we perceived"... How do you know yet? The kid is only 21 and has had fewer than 200 total touches in the NFL so far. How do you know he isn't talented?5) Yes, there is uncertainty. But all those RBs in that range have uncertainty. Felix - how much of a role? How short of a leash given they have Barber and choice? Ronnie - how big of a role? Are they all of a suddent going to overlook just how good Ricky was last year? Ricky had nearly 1400 yards and 13 TDs. McCoy doesn't have to deal with anyone on the roster close to that talent level backing him up, waiting for his chance.
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While I appreciate the fact that you pulled up the #s on LeSean, that's all they are, just #s. I don't concern myself with them when I'm evaluating a young player. He has to pass the eyeball test with me. Do I like what I'm seeing? The answer thus far is no. But, he's young and has a season under his belt now as you point out. Perhaps he improves and becomes the man. I said he "might" not be as talented as perceived. There's reason to question it.All those RBs have questions surrounding their situations, but not their talent. That's where the difference lies IMO.
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I thought McCoy looked really good last year. Some of the things he did when he got the ball made my mouth drop it was that good.
 
MAC_32 said:
He could be this year's Jamaal Charles. He could also be another Darren McFadden.

I liked this kid until about January 2009, his infamously awful workout numbers were red flag #1, and he compounded that with a very underwhelming rookie season.

He has better pad speed than breakaway speed, but he isn't fast or strong enough to be the dancer that he was last year. If he doesn't improve then he'll go the way of DMC, if he does improve then his owners will be smiling ear to ear come December. I don't feel comfortable or confident enough to take him at his current ADP though, I'd prefer to take a risk on Best, Felix, or Addai a round or two later.
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Underwhelming? He set the Eagles rookie rushing record.
 
Snotbubbles said:
MAC_32 said:
He could be this year's Jamaal Charles. He could also be another Darren McFadden.

I liked this kid until about January 2009, his infamously awful workout numbers were red flag #1, and he compounded that with a very underwhelming rookie season.

He has better pad speed than breakaway speed, but he isn't fast or strong enough to be the dancer that he was last year. If he doesn't improve then he'll go the way of DMC, if he does improve then his owners will be smiling ear to ear come December. I don't feel comfortable or confident enough to take him at his current ADP though, I'd prefer to take a risk on Best, Felix, or Addai a round or two later.
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Underwhelming? He set the Eagles rookie rushing record.
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The rookie rushing record was 586 yards.27 franchises have a rookie rushing record of 1,000+ yards. The only other teams that don't (at least not in the past 50 years):

NYJ 948

CAR 833

NYG 770

OAK 697

 
David Yudkin said:
Snotbubbles said:
MAC_32 said:
He could be this year's Jamaal Charles. He could also be another Darren McFadden.

I liked this kid until about January 2009, his infamously awful workout numbers were red flag #1, and he compounded that with a very underwhelming rookie season.

He has better pad speed than breakaway speed, but he isn't fast or strong enough to be the dancer that he was last year. If he doesn't improve then he'll go the way of DMC, if he does improve then his owners will be smiling ear to ear come December. I don't feel comfortable or confident enough to take him at his current ADP though, I'd prefer to take a risk on Best, Felix, or Addai a round or two later.
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Underwhelming? He set the Eagles rookie rushing record.
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The rookie rushing record was 586 yards.27 franchises have a rookie rushing record of 1,000+ yards. The only other teams that don't (at least not in the past 50 years):

NYJ 948

CAR 833

NYG 770

OAK 697
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exactly
 
T with T said:
Billy Ball Thorton said:
T with T said:
I was offered S.Bradford,Mccoy for Best,Orton in a ppr 12 team and declined... what do you guys think... Mccoy or Best... I was thinking Best I think he has a higher ceiling and could be number 1 guy for a while in D
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Love this deal for you. McCoy and Best are very very close while Orton Bradford is not close.
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Yea but I like Best better and I have Big ben, mcnabb so I dont really need a qb... my rbs areSjaxCharlesBestSlaton
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Assuming this is a Dynasty and not a keeper where you can only keep a certain amount of players.. Bradford is a very live QB prospect. Big Ben I think comes way back down to earth and McNabb is older. Bradford was a late 1st in every league im in, and I would think, although he's doesn't have value to your team "today" he could easily be of value to another team. No one say's you cant trade him off.IMO McCoy late 1st > BestJust trade Bradford to a team that is old/weak at qb if you dont want him. Also I think the rams wind up with one of the top tier WR prospects next year so Bradford could be worth a pretty penny if you stash him a year.Just my 2 cents
 
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In my opinion, you have to put talent ahead of situation. Sure it's only been one season for McCoy, and he is in a good situation. But, he was a 2nd round pick, and 4/5 of the guys you listed were first round picks (all but P Thomas).

Sure the scouts don't always get it right, but a lot of times they do and all those guys have all shown they can play at a high level - they were first round picks for a reason, while McCoy was a later 2nd round pick.

I agree with people who have said that McCoy just hasn't passed the eye ball test as of yet. I also don't buy into your argument against P Thomas, that Bush is there and they are a passing team.

Philly has also been a passing team historically, and with Mike Bell there, its not just clear sailing for McCoy imo. I would take most of the other guys ahead of McCoy, solely based on talent. I would also take P Thomas ahead of him, b/c I think he has looked better on the football field as well, and is in a high power offense where there will be plenty of chances to score.

 
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renesauz said:
McCoy set an Eagle rookie rushing record last year. I hear a lot of guys down on him, but have continuously found myself wondering why.He was VERY young, and a rookie in a complex scheme that emphasises the pass, yet put up OK numbers when asked to be the primary ballcarrier. Barring injury, I see a high end RB2 as a floor in PPR, not a ceiling....and that's assuming that he's the pedestrian talent many on here make him out to be. For those questioning his talent in non-ppr, he still makes a relatively safe low end RB2.
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That said, would you draft him over Addai, Felix, Forte, Ronnie, or Wells?
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Although some stuff has made me more skeptical about McCoy, Id definitely take him over the first 3 you listed. Ronnie and Wells are much closer, but I havent gotten that close to crunching numbers yet to see where they figure in. Id almost certainly take Stewart or PThomas over McCoy, who the OP also mentioned
 
swirvenirvin said:
David Yudkin said:
Snotbubbles said:
MAC_32 said:
He could be this year's Jamaal Charles. He could also be another Darren McFadden.

I liked this kid until about January 2009, his infamously awful workout numbers were red flag #1, and he compounded that with a very underwhelming rookie season.

He has better pad speed than breakaway speed, but he isn't fast or strong enough to be the dancer that he was last year. If he doesn't improve then he'll go the way of DMC, if he does improve then his owners will be smiling ear to ear come December. I don't feel comfortable or confident enough to take him at his current ADP though, I'd prefer to take a risk on Best, Felix, or Addai a round or two later.
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Underwhelming? He set the Eagles rookie rushing record.
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The rookie rushing record was 586 yards.27 franchises have a rookie rushing record of 1,000+ yards. The only other teams that don't (at least not in the past 50 years):

NYJ 948

CAR 833

NYG 770

OAK 697
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Brian WestbrookDuce Staley

Charlie Garner

Wilbert Montgomery

Some good RBs there. McCoy's first year was better then all of them.

 
I love McCoy don't get me wrong.............BUT

The Eagles aren't going to wear him down like they did with Westbrook there is no need. Bell is there for short yardage and goal line, Weaver will demand carries and don't forget rookie Charles Scott. There is no need to put all the pressure on McCoy. This is a passing offense also so don't forget that. Sure McCoy will have his share of the catches but nothing near what a Ray Rice brings to the table.

I predict McCoy to rush for 900 yards 300 more rec and 6 total TD's

 
Snotbubbles said:
swirvenirvin said:
David Yudkin said:
Snotbubbles said:
MAC_32 said:
He could be this year's Jamaal Charles. He could also be another Darren McFadden.

I liked this kid until about January 2009, his infamously awful workout numbers were red flag #1, and he compounded that with a very underwhelming rookie season.

He has better pad speed than breakaway speed, but he isn't fast or strong enough to be the dancer that he was last year. If he doesn't improve then he'll go the way of DMC, if he does improve then his owners will be smiling ear to ear come December. I don't feel comfortable or confident enough to take him at his current ADP though, I'd prefer to take a risk on Best, Felix, or Addai a round or two later.
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Underwhelming? He set the Eagles rookie rushing record.
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The rookie rushing record was 586 yards.27 franchises have a rookie rushing record of 1,000+ yards. The only other teams that don't (at least not in the past 50 years):

NYJ 948

CAR 833

NYG 770

OAK 697
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exactly
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Brian WestbrookDuce Staley

Charlie Garner

Wilbert Montgomery

Some good RBs there. McCoy's first year was better then all of them.
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If you want to ignore the fact that their record bar was low.....and the fact that all of those "good rbs" weren't first round picks...or the fact that you're an eagles fan cloud your judgment. You would see an above average change of pace RB in Lesean McCoy...but that's it.
 
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That being said, jettisoning Westbrook and only bringing in Bell says to me that they are ready to hand the keys to this kid.
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I think this is closer to true than not, but that still might not be saying a lot. The Eagles haven't had more than 370 RB carries in a season since 2002, and many years they came up way short of that, with several seasons below 350 and some around 330. Last year: 301 RB carries. Those are tough odds. They'll probably go back up a bit since Kolb isn't as much a runner/plodder as Donovan, but I can't forecast more than 350. Westbrook was only appealing in fantasy because he was a monster talent, was seeing 70% or more of those carries, and was one of the best receiving backs in the league.I also can't forget Mike Bell last year, who had low ypc but ultimately worked out very well for the Saints as both a situational banger and an 8-10 carry a game supplement. Committee works fine for Reid, if you remember the years he had combinations of Staley, Levens, and Buckhalter sharing heavily with Westbrook till he really became a star. I think it's going to be an upward battle for McCoy to get more than 200 carries, and even harder for him to see much goal line work given the presence of Bell, Weaver, and Vick. None of them may get much, but in Philly each of them only needs to get a little to render McCoy disappointing. McCoy might break out or might even have one of those 600 rushing/600 receiving seasons, but I see a lot more working against him than against RBs at comparable ADP.

 
Snotbubbles said:
swirvenirvin said:
David Yudkin said:
Snotbubbles said:
MAC_32 said:
He could be this year's Jamaal Charles. He could also be another Darren McFadden.

I liked this kid until about January 2009, his infamously awful workout numbers were red flag #1, and he compounded that with a very underwhelming rookie season.

He has better pad speed than breakaway speed, but he isn't fast or strong enough to be the dancer that he was last year. If he doesn't improve then he'll go the way of DMC, if he does improve then his owners will be smiling ear to ear come December. I don't feel comfortable or confident enough to take him at his current ADP though, I'd prefer to take a risk on Best, Felix, or Addai a round or two later.
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Underwhelming? He set the Eagles rookie rushing record.
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The rookie rushing record was 586 yards.27 franchises have a rookie rushing record of 1,000+ yards. The only other teams that don't (at least not in the past 50 years):

NYJ 948

CAR 833

NYG 770

OAK 697
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exactly
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Brian WestbrookDuce Staley

Charlie Garner

Wilbert Montgomery

Some good RBs there. McCoy's first year was better then all of them.
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Charlie Garner only played in 10 games as a rookieDuce only got 7 carries as a rookie

Mongomery’s rookie year came when there were only 14 games and he only carried the ball 45 time

Westbrook only got 46 carries as a rookie

 
David Yudkin said:
Westbrook only had double digit carries in weeks 1 + 2 last season, missed several games, and otherwise was a shell of his former self. There wasn't much of a battle for carries, yet McCoy only had 10 or more carries in 7 games (out of 17 counting the playoffs).I agree he "should" get the lion's share of the carries this year, but the Eagles didn't exactly overload him with work last year.
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Until Andy Reed changes his offensive game plan McCoy will be an afterthought. Reed is pass first and run when you have to.
 
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Snotbubbles said:
swirvenirvin said:
David Yudkin said:
Snotbubbles said:
MAC_32 said:
He could be this year's Jamaal Charles. He could also be another Darren McFadden.

I liked this kid until about January 2009, his infamously awful workout numbers were red flag #1, and he compounded that with a very underwhelming rookie season.

He has better pad speed than breakaway speed, but he isn't fast or strong enough to be the dancer that he was last year. If he doesn't improve then he'll go the way of DMC, if he does improve then his owners will be smiling ear to ear come December. I don't feel comfortable or confident enough to take him at his current ADP though, I'd prefer to take a risk on Best, Felix, or Addai a round or two later.
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Underwhelming? He set the Eagles rookie rushing record.
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The rookie rushing record was 586 yards.27 franchises have a rookie rushing record of 1,000+ yards. The only other teams that don't (at least not in the past 50 years):

NYJ 948

CAR 833

NYG 770

OAK 697
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exactly
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Brian WestbrookDuce Staley

Charlie Garner

Wilbert Montgomery

Some good RBs there. McCoy's first year was better then all of them.
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Those players had players in front of them. Had Westbrook not been hurt, McCoy would not have had the opportunity either. Pounding your chest over 500 yards is a little silly. Unless, as the argument seems to go, you want to profess McCoy as the greatest Eagle RB of all time due to his rookie rushing "record".

 
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This could be explained by poor blocking skills. I'm not saying he wasn't a great blocker last year, I'm just saying it's a possibility.
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That is exactly what happened. I've watched every game Fat Andy has coached in Philly. I think Reid wanted to use Shady more than he did, but couldn't bc of McCoy's blocking deficiencies. If McCoy can pick up the blocking scheme, he could put up pretty big numbers, however if he doesn't then they will play Bell a good amount. I'm pretty sure Reid is going to air it out even more than usual this year if Kolb can be as accurate as they're hoping. I think McCoy has a very high upside in PPR leagues, but could have a low floor as well.
 
eaglezzz said:
I love McCoy don't get me wrong.............BUTThe Eagles aren't going to wear him down like they did with Westbrook there is no need. Bell is there for short yardage and goal line, Weaver will demand carries and don't forget rookie Charles Scott. There is no need to put all the pressure on McCoy. This is a passing offense also so don't forget that. Sure McCoy will have his share of the catches but nothing near what a Ray Rice brings to the table.I predict McCoy to rush for 900 yards 300 more rec and 6 total TD's
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So you expect 300 receiving yards as the full time starter when he got 308 yards receiving last year when he got only four starts? What did you get for the guy when you traded him?
 
All I was saying is the Eagles offense isn't based around McCoy. If you are thinking he will do what Westbrook has done in the past you are wrong. I don't see Kolb dishing off the ball to the RB's like McNabb used too. Kolb will throw that short pass to Avant/Celek/Ingram/Cooper/Maclin. I think 300 yds is just a number I threw out there. I hope I am wrong on McCoy

 
I would love McCoy as my RB2.....

LeSean McCoy-RB- Eagles Aug. 18 - 4:09 pm et LeSean McCoy was reportedly the "offensive standout" of Eagles camp.The Eagles are leaving Lehigh for their NovaCare complex in Philly, and beat writer Geoff Mosher is recapping camp. According to Mosher, McCoy improved as a pass catcher and particularly as a decisive inside runner. Mosher acknowledges that McCoy and the Birds' ground attack will "probably play second fiddle to the passing game," but he remains a fine PPR RB2.Source: Wilmington News Journal
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I think he'll get a good amount of catches but that may be offset by the lack of red zone chances he'll get.

Throw first offense, possibly Bell coming in for short yardage, possibly Vick coming in for goalline wildcat, etc.

 
Rick James said:
To the guys who aren't high on McCoy, where would you draft him? Middle 3rd?
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I'm high on him. Grabbed him in a survivor draft this week at 3.09. The league is skewed towards WR's and TE's. He probably goes earlier than that in other leagues...
 
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