ImTheScientist
Footballguy
The Fantasy Football Calculator ADP has him at 12.11 in PPR leagues. He looked great the last two games of the year and is the favorite to win the starting gig. Why isn't he talked about more?
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
He opened training camp with the Texans' first-team offense, Slaton fumble's and has neck issues, and Tate is a rookie (probably overrated as well).Per Rotoworld
I have been seeing stuff like this all off season. He's big, and looked really good in the zone blocking scheme. Guess I'll snag him late.
Boone22
Footballguy
1) He looked great the last two games last year. (not enough production to prove consistency)2) Slaton looked great during most of 2008. (things change fast in the NFL)3) Ben Tate was drafted in the 2nd round of the NFL draft. (already has competition for the starting job)
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...NFL&id=5469
Show previous off season type news on him. One thing I found interesting was this comment.
Jan 4th
Show previous off season type news on him. One thing I found interesting was this comment.
Jan 4th
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I agree w/ #1. But #2 and #3 don't matter. Slaton looked great but he looked equally as bad last year. Tate was a second rounder but Kubiak probably doesn't care considering he has had experience with backs like Mike Anderson (and I think he was around in the TD days as well).
Foster and the Houtson RB situation has been heavily discussed over the last month or so in the Shark pool. As i have said in those, I would take Foster right about the time i am ready to draft 3rd string RB's. He would likely be the 4th 3rd string RB i would take, right behind Marshawn Lynch, Tashard Choice, and James Starks.
Boone22
Footballguy
I'd agree with this IF Tate had already been on the roster, however, they drafted Tate AFTER Foster's performance last year. This tells me that at this point, they don't have a lot of faith in Foster. If they did, they would have waited until the 4th or 5th round to draft a RB for depth. I'm not saying Foster can't beat out Tate and become the starting RB for Houston BUT I don't think it's anywhere near decided as to who will be starting. Add in the fact that Slaton is still lurking in the background and you get a very unpredictable situation.
Or, it could tell you that they were very worried whether Slaton would be able to come back. Plus, Foster has apparently impressed them this offseason, after they drafted Tate. We obviously don't know, but if they were to hold the draft now, they may not have taken Tate since Foster has looked better and Slaton appears to be healthy.That being said, I totally agree that no one knows how this is going to shake out. I believe this is going to be a pretty wide open competition, and they'll probably change their roles a few times, even into the regular season possibly.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Don't play dynasty.
Zoomanji
Footballguy
He'll probably be useful a a few weeks.
I like him in a best ball format. Otherwise he's a guy you draft late and hope to get a couple good weeks early in the season from him before Tate takes over. Hopefully he doesn't split a lot of time with Slaton either.
Not sure when I would take him but its definitely late.
I like him in a best ball format. Otherwise he's a guy you draft late and hope to get a couple good weeks early in the season from him before Tate takes over. Hopefully he doesn't split a lot of time with Slaton either.
Not sure when I would take him but its definitely late.
saintfool
Dead sexy
foster has looked "better" because he's been pretty much the only RB available this offseason. slaton only got medically cleared to practice within the last two weeks. tate dealt with a hamstring injury that kept him off the field through most of the OTAs but the coaches raved about his preparation despite not being on the field. http://www.fantasysp.com/player/nfl/Steve_...0vCLBKHvO"</a>"]For example:
i think the investment of a R2 pick in tate is more significant than their investment in foster. they want him to succeed. they would love slaton to return to form but know they need to pair him with another RB. foster has his work cut out for him if he can hold off both guys. i just don't have much confidence in him.
Again, I think trying to figure this all out right now is just playing guessing games, and even the coaching staff doesn't know how it's going to unfold. When I say Foster has looked better, I don't mean better than Tate. I mean better than they expected him (Foster) to look. As for coach speak, it all has to be taken with a huge grain of salt, but if we're being fair, there are more positive comments out of the coaches about Foster than Tate this offseason (which makes sense since they've seen more of him, and coach speak is almost always positive).Sure, they have a little more invested in Tate, but not so much that it's going to play much in their decision IMO. I haven't seen the contract details, but a late 2nd round pick doesn't get a heck of a lot of money. The Vikings used an earlier pick on Gerhart, but I don't think that means he's going to be handed a lot of touches. The way I see it, they don't have much invested in any of the 3, and Kubiak has shown in the past to have a short leash and ride the hot hand, so I don't think any one of them is going to get preferential treatment. I think they want to succeed as a team, so they're going to play the RB that they feel gives them the best chance to do that, not the higher draft pick. I think it's a pretty open competition.
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saintfool
Dead sexy
again, i think they want tate to succeed. teams need and expect all the draft picks to contribute but especially the early rounders like tate. they drafted him early, like the vikes did with gerhart, because they can't take chances with their running game. this goes for slaton as much as for foster, i bet. so tate will have to work his way onto the field for touches. i expect him to be splitting carries with slaton by midseason as the #1 back.
Sure they want Tate to succeed, just like they want all of their players to. Do you think they don't want Foster to succeed? "Contribute" can mean a lot of things- Gerhart obviously is going to be contributing as a back up/role player, not as a workhorse, even though he was drafted ahead of Tate. I don't think that a late 2nd round pick is going to be handed anything, he'll have to earn it. It's entirely possible that he does, but it will be because he performs better, not because they're rooting for him over the others. The Texans want a successful running game, not just a successful Ben Tate.saintfool said:
Zoomanji
Footballguy
I agree
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Hi everyone, sorry to be the board police but there has been a lot of Houston RB talk all off season. Try the search function and you see a lot of posting. I'm not trying to rain on this thread, it's fine but we are going to have a lot of new folks over the next 2 weeks and even some we have not seen in 6-7 months.
I like Foster simply because of the 3, he can be had for nothing right now. I would likely draft Slton and Foster as the combo, not too high on Ben Tate and reports have not been glowing IMO.
Cheers all,
MOP
I like Foster simply because of the 3, he can be had for nothing right now. I would likely draft Slton and Foster as the combo, not too high on Ben Tate and reports have not been glowing IMO.
Cheers all,
MOP
Chewbanks
Footballguy
Don't tell me what to do!
Chaka
Footballguy
What's your badge number Officer Tuna?
identikit
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
TK421
Chaka
Footballguy
A bad omen. QUICK TO THE OTHER THREADS!
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FavreCo
Footballguy
This is one of the biggest reasons. You fumble in Houston and you go to the back of the line. Both he and Slaton are big risks.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Its just to hard to believe that he'll keep the job, and he had to good games at the end of the year but that could of been due to fresh legs.
identikit
Footballguy
Arian Foster-RB- Texans Jul. 31 - 4:19 pm et
The Texans are "way high" on Arian Foster going into training camp, according to ESPN.com's Paul Kuharsky.
"We are not going to have a battle about how he tries to give his effort or how he meets (expectations)," coach Gary Kubiak said Saturday. "That's over. It's all about football with him. He got his chance and he is going to be a fine player. We are all excited to see what he's doing right now. We're looking forward to it." We are no longer assuming that Foster loses the top spot to Ben Tate or Steve Slaton during camp. He has a legit chance to open the season as the starter.
The Texans are "way high" on Arian Foster going into training camp, according to ESPN.com's Paul Kuharsky.
"We are not going to have a battle about how he tries to give his effort or how he meets (expectations)," coach Gary Kubiak said Saturday. "That's over. It's all about football with him. He got his chance and he is going to be a fine player. We are all excited to see what he's doing right now. We're looking forward to it." We are no longer assuming that Foster loses the top spot to Ben Tate or Steve Slaton during camp. He has a legit chance to open the season as the starter.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
ID, do you think that Slaton and Foster will see the most touches of the three? I can't see any of them approaching 300 touches on their own. Possibly something like this...
Slaton 150 carries, 50 receptions
Foster 200 carries, 20 receptions
Tate, the leftovers
Curious on your read here, thanks.
Also like to add that ID has been posting a lot of statements from camps, injury reports, etc today...nice job for those of us that can only check in so often, lot of good stuff today.
turfman
Footballguy
Rotoworld update
Kubiak: Foster will be tough to unseat at RB
Updating a previous item, Texans coach Gary Kubiak called Arian Foster "mature beyond his years" and predicted he will be tough to unseat atop the depth chart.
Foster has shown an impressive burst early in camp, and he's determined to keep the job. "I wasn't up at 5:30 (a.m.) this offseason for nothing, so my mentality isn't, 'This spot is mine,'" said Foster. "My mentality is, 'This spot is going to get taken. I am going to take it.'" Kubiak will split carries equally among the five backs in camp, but the tide has clearly turned in Foster's favor. Jul. 31 - 6:31 pm et
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Looks like he is ready to play. We'll see how he looks in the next month
Kubiak: Foster will be tough to unseat at RB
Updating a previous item, Texans coach Gary Kubiak called Arian Foster "mature beyond his years" and predicted he will be tough to unseat atop the depth chart.
Foster has shown an impressive burst early in camp, and he's determined to keep the job. "I wasn't up at 5:30 (a.m.) this offseason for nothing, so my mentality isn't, 'This spot is mine,'" said Foster. "My mentality is, 'This spot is going to get taken. I am going to take it.'" Kubiak will split carries equally among the five backs in camp, but the tide has clearly turned in Foster's favor. Jul. 31 - 6:31 pm et
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Looks like he is ready to play. We'll see how he looks in the next month
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Why?There's this perception out there that he's not talented. He was considered a possible second-round pick after his junior season and before his nightmare senior season. He's very skilled for a bigger back (great hands, very good blocker, good cutting ability, good power), and he's not without NFL talent.
My read is that there's no way Slaton and his torqued neck sees 150 carries unless Tate suffers serious injury. The Texans in their short history have never selected a RB in a regular draft (Tony Hollings was a 2nd in the supplemental 1 year) as high as Ben Tate. The same can be said for Kubiak teams. He selected Portis and Tatum in the same range and they eventually got the carries. Tate was drafted to fix their problems and will get his chance. This battle is between Foster and Tate for the early downs and TDs.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Always nice when the snowbirds check in
NajehHejan
Footballguy
F&L,I am "that guy" who drank the Foster koolaid last year and started him at flex week 15 over Joey Addai becuase I was afraid that Jim "I do whatever Bill Polian tells me to do" was going to give Addai two rushes and call it a day. Well, Kubiak was the devil - he pulled Foster for fumbling early in the 1st quarter and never let him back into the game. Sure I lost my game because of it, as did many other owners, but my point is not to point at the shirt. Seriously, can we trust Kubiak? Isn't it worse than trusting Shanahan? Shouldn't we just ignore the Houston backfield and look for value elsewhere? I loved your calls on CJ2K and Percy Harvin but I'm just wondering, is Arian really fantasy gold, or are we barking up the wrong tree? I know you didn't call him gold, but I love to quote other threads.
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Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
I'm not saying he's anywhere close to gold, and this backfield could certainly be a hot-hand situation all season long. I just don't get the automatic assumption that Slaton is much more talented than Foster -- because he's not. It's obvious to me that Foster has turned a corner this offseason, and the coaches truly believe in him now. It's just as obvious that he won't have a long leash if he doesn't produce early in the season.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Ultima Thule
Footballguy
I just traded Foster and John Carlson for Ahmad Bradshaw and Zach Miller (Jax) so I hope Foster doesn't blow it up this year although I would not be entirely surprised. I also have Slaton and wanted out of the Houston backfield because it is so unpredictable. Anyone else make any Foster moves lately?
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
And what if he does produce early in the season? It's certainly possible in the Texans' high-powered offense.
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Not Sure
Footballguy
I'm sure he will be benched in that case. Most teams don't like it when their players produce early in the season.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I was agreeing with you F&L. I like Foster as a later round pick and think if you wait forever on RBs that you can pair him with Slaton perhaps and get decent value and production out of your RB2/3 slots. Foster is cheap. What do you think he's worht in dynasty right now or are you in a hold pattern?
Sorry dude, but I think you got smoked. Carlson's coming back in a big way and Foster's at least got a chance to start.
Chewbanks
Footballguy
We can't always be as dedicated as you, Mr. Lombardi.Always nice when the snowbirds check in
Chewbanks
Footballguy
. . . Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd quotes in July mean next to nothing. <------------- Foster owner /disclosure
Chaka
Footballguy
Take it to the appropriate thread slappy.
Ultima Thule
Footballguy
identikit
Footballguy
FWIW:
(Rotoworld) Maurice Jones-Drew has selected Arian Foster as his fantasy sleeper for 2010.
Analysis: "I really like Arian Foster," said MJD. "I think he's a good running back, especially in their system, the Denver system. And I watched him in college too. It's his style -- in that zone system, a bigger back (6-foot-1, 229 pounds) who can get a cut and get his shoulders square. He's going to be a force to be reckoned with. I really like him and I've got some sources, too."
(Rotoworld) Maurice Jones-Drew has selected Arian Foster as his fantasy sleeper for 2010.
Analysis: "I really like Arian Foster," said MJD. "I think he's a good running back, especially in their system, the Denver system. And I watched him in college too. It's his style -- in that zone system, a bigger back (6-foot-1, 229 pounds) who can get a cut and get his shoulders square. He's going to be a force to be reckoned with. I really like him and I've got some sources, too."
