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Winky the tunnel ferret

Winky the tunnel ferret

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With Rice, Berrian, and Harvin as receiving options plus an above average TE in Shiancoe he's going to have some great options. And with ADP to keep defenses close to the line it means these options won't face a lot of double teams.

But what makes him really great? His rushing totals. 3,000 yards passing, 15 td's, and 450 yards rushing. Top ten here.

Get him while you can.

*Assuming Favre retires

 
Winky the tunnel ferret said:
With Rice, Berrian, and Harvin as receiving options plus an above average TE in Shiancoe he's going to have some great options. And with ADP to keep defenses close to the line it means these options won't face a lot of double teams.But what makes him really great? His rushing totals. 3,000 yards passing, 15 td's, and 450 yards rushing. Top ten here. Get him while you can.*Assuming Favre retires
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Not sure, but Sage may be. Chilly never seems to like what Jackson does on the field.
 
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I'm not ready to say Tavaris would be top 10 if Brett doesn't play, but I was wondering the other day about his weapons. Has he even had such a talented group to throw to? Rice was bothered by injury here and there and just exploded last year. Shiancoe had been known for dropping passes until last season. With them coming around, and Harvin now on board, maybe Jackson will surprise this year...

 
John 14:6 said:
I'm not ready to say Tavaris would be top 10 if Brett doesn't play, but I was wondering the other day about his weapons. Has he even had such a talented group to throw to? Rice was bothered by injury here and there and just exploded last year. Shiancoe had been known for dropping passes until last season. With them coming around, and Harvin now on board, maybe Jackson will surprise this year...
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I don't think top-10 is realistic unless his rushing numbers come around. His passing stats mirror Vince Young's pretty closely with the exception of a better TD/INt ration, which of course is significant. If I were making a knee-jerk prediction, the player I'd lean on for comparison is David Garrard. Garrard has finished 16, 12, and 11 in the last three years by rushing for 300-ish yards, scoring 2 or 3 rushing TDs, and being a completely mediocre passer. I don't think TJackson can get to the top-10 as that's a space usually populated by guys that can throw for 300 yards and/or 3 TDs in a game. But getting in to the top half of starters is WELL within reason.
 
In 2007 after missing some games, he finished the season averaging about 30 rushing yards per game. That's the scoring equivalent of 60 passing yards. Basically, over the last 7 weeks of the season he was on pace for the scoring equivalent of a 4,000 yards passing.

 
Abraham said:
John 14:6 said:
I'm not ready to say Tavaris would be top 10 if Brett doesn't play, but I was wondering the other day about his weapons. Has he even had such a talented group to throw to? Rice was bothered by injury here and there and just exploded last year. Shiancoe had been known for dropping passes until last season. With them coming around, and Harvin now on board, maybe Jackson will surprise this year...
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I don't think top-10 is realistic unless his rushing numbers come around. His passing stats mirror Vince Young's pretty closely with the exception of a better TD/INt ration, which of course is significant. If I were making a knee-jerk prediction, the player I'd lean on for comparison is David Garrard. Garrard has finished 16, 12, and 11 in the last three years by rushing for 300-ish yards, scoring 2 or 3 rushing TDs, and being a completely mediocre passer. I don't think TJackson can get to the top-10 as that's a space usually populated by guys that can throw for 300 yards and/or 3 TDs in a game. But getting in to the top half of starters is WELL within reason.
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when has David Garrard had weapons anything close to what Tarvaris has?I don't know about top 10 in his 1st season back as the starter, but it wouldn't surprise me. I think top 15 is a more realistic possibility.Tarvaris was considered a project out of Arkansas State. He should never have been thrown into the mix that early. He has all the physical tools you want in a QB- mobility and arm strength being the best. After watching a HOF QB, I think he should now be ready to really emerge on the league as a legitimate threat. If his accuracy and decision making has improved then the sky is the limit.Those talking about Sage, need to understand that Sage has been splitting the 2nd team reps with Joe Webb and some were speculating that he would be cut. Tarvaris is clearly ahead of both.Either way, I'm rooting for him and am all aboard the Tarvaris bandwagon...I grabbed him in the 18th round of an upstart dynasty hoping for this day.
 
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loose circuits said:
Abraham said:
John 14:6 said:
I'm not ready to say Tavaris would be top 10 if Brett doesn't play, but I was wondering the other day about his weapons. Has he even had such a talented group to throw to? Rice was bothered by injury here and there and just exploded last year. Shiancoe had been known for dropping passes until last season. With them coming around, and Harvin now on board, maybe Jackson will surprise this year...
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I don't think top-10 is realistic unless his rushing numbers come around. His passing stats mirror Vince Young's pretty closely with the exception of a better TD/INt ration, which of course is significant. If I were making a knee-jerk prediction, the player I'd lean on for comparison is David Garrard. Garrard has finished 16, 12, and 11 in the last three years by rushing for 300-ish yards, scoring 2 or 3 rushing TDs, and being a completely mediocre passer. I don't think TJackson can get to the top-10 as that's a space usually populated by guys that can throw for 300 yards and/or 3 TDs in a game. But getting in to the top half of starters is WELL within reason.
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when has David Garrard had weapons anything close to what Tarvaris has?I don't know about top 10 in his 1st season back as the starter, but it wouldn't surprise me. I think top 15 is a more realistic possibility.

Tarvaris was considered a project out of Arkansas State. He should never have been thrown into the mix that early. He has all the physical tools you want in a QB- mobility and arm strength being the best. After watching a HOF QB, I think he should now be ready to really emerge on the league as a legitimate threat. If his accuracy and decision making has improved then the sky is the limit.

Those talking about Sage, need to understand that Sage has been splitting the 2nd team reps with Joe Webb and some were speculating that he would be cut. Tarvaris is clearly ahead of both.

Either way, I'm rooting for him and am all aboard the Tarvaris bandwagon...I grabbed him in the 18th round of an upstart dynasty hoping for this day.
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:goodposting: loose circuits gets it.

Enjoy the free money picking this guy up in the last round and riding him to the championship.

 
I honestly haven't seen enough of him in over a year. What I do remember seeing was a guy who didn't look polished and not very accurate. To finish top 10, he'd have to really step up his game from what he did a couple years ago IMO. I'd have a hard time drafting this guy over people like Eli Manning and Carson Palmer.

Taking Tarvaris Jackson in the top 10 would make taking Kolb in the top 10 like a safe pick.

 
when has David Garrard had weapons anything close to what Tarvaris has?
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Fair point. But the reliance on the running game is similar and my greater point was that I don't see the Vikings bombing it downfield as much as, say, the Colts, Saints or Chargers.
 
Winky the tunnel ferret said:
In 2007 after missing some games, he finished the season averaging about 30 rushing yards per game. That's the scoring equivalent of 60 passing yards. Basically, over the last 7 weeks of the season he was on pace for the scoring equivalent of a 4,000 yards passing.
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The best thing he's got going for him is 2 games agains the Lions. But who knows, Peterson may have 350 yards and 5 td's in those two games leaving little needed passing yards.
 
I seem to remember talk that the Vikes would consider trading Sage away if they had confirmation that Favre was returning (sorry, no link). The point being that TJ was the back-up plan, not Sage.

 
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Abraham said:
when has David Garrard had weapons anything close to what Tarvaris has?
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Fair point. But the reliance on the running game is similar and my greater point was that I don't see the Vikings bombing it downfield as much as, say, the Colts, Saints or Chargers.
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They don't need to bomb it downfield. 200 yards passing per game with 30 yards rushing and less than 1 td per game will get him into the top ten. Rushing yards really skew things. Garrard threw 225 y/pg last year.
 
Winky the tunnel ferret said:
Abraham said:
when has David Garrard had weapons anything close to what Tarvaris has?
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Fair point. But the reliance on the running game is similar and my greater point was that I don't see the Vikings bombing it downfield as much as, say, the Colts, Saints or Chargers.
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They don't need to bomb it downfield. 200 yards passing per game with 30 yards rushing and less than 1 td per game will get him into the top ten. Rushing yards really skew things. Garrard threw 225 y/pg last year.
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BUT, its very easy to throw for more than 200 a game with his weapons. I see him being quite good if Favre is gone.
 
Jedeye said:
I seem to remember talk that the Vikes would consider trading Sage away if they had confirmation that Favre was returning (sorry, no link). The point being that TJ was the back-up plan, not Sage.
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Yeah, everything I hear around here has Jackson as the starter if Favre doesn't come back. If he does, Jackson goes to #2, Webb would be #3, and Sage would be the odd man out.
 
I'm not expecting anything spectacular from Jackson this year but all I know is that since having traded Aaron Rodgers once Favre left GB for Bowe and Forte I will not trade away the next successor to Favre.

The pain I feel is and will be deep for the next decade. I can't help but wish bad things upon Rodgers. Talk about your all-time f-ups. I cry myself to sleep every night.

 
datonn said:
ScottyFargo said:
Sure. If the league cuts down to 15 teams.
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Ha! This. That's almost the exact thing I was thinking too when I read that original post. Sounds like someone (O.P.) needs to put down the sauce and check themselves into rehab... :thumbup:
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You're missing the boat. I didn't call him one of the top talents in the league. I said he'll be top 10 fantasy wise. I laid out my reasons. You have anything to support why he won't? Tarvaris Jackson = :thumbup:
 
I thought he was really coming into his own in 2008 and in preseason 2009. I'm not ready to say top 10. I think I said top 12 in the Favre thread because I thought saying top 10 was too much and saying top 15 is not saying all that much.

I think him holding the clip board for a year will be good for him and he has too many weapons....

 
Winky the tunnel ferret said:
You're missing the boat. I didn't call him one of the top talents in the league. I said he'll be top 10 fantasy wise. I laid out my reasons.

You have anything to support why he won't?

Tarvaris Jackson = :mellow:
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Other than watching him in Camp every year he's been in the league and watching all but maybe 1-2 games he's ever played in the NFL nope, I got nothin'... ;)
 
datonn said:
Winky the tunnel ferret said:
You're missing the boat. I didn't call him one of the top talents in the league. I said he'll be top 10 fantasy wise. I laid out my reasons.

You have anything to support why he won't?

Tarvaris Jackson = :mellow:
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Other than watching him in Camp every year he's been in the league and watching all but maybe 1-2 games he's ever played in the NFL nope, I got nothin'... ;)
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You watched him with those weapons?
 
Stats over the the last 4 games in 2008:

QB rating of 116.5,

64% completion percentage

averaged 185 passing yards

Averaged 26 yards rushing

Averaged 2 TD's

Had an 8:1 TD:Interception ratio

Over the course of the season (and I know, I hate to extrapolate numbers like this out, but we don't have much other statistical evidence to go on) it comes out to be:

2960 yards Passing

416 yards Rushing

32 TD's

4 interceptions

From those numbers I see not stellar fantasy numbers but solid NFL numbers in that he had a great TD:Interception ratio, high completion percentage, which means he's accurate and doesn't make bad mistakes.

Flashforward a year. More weapons on offense. More time holding the clipboard and learning the system and how to read the defenses. Is it that far out of the realm of reason to say that he might improve just his passing yards 20%? Even if all else remains constant according to these numbers he has a stellar year. If he tacks on 400-500 yards over the course of a game (and we're only talking 31 yards/game) he finishes around 3500 yards, with 400 yards rushing and 32TD's?

And think of this. Since Favre skips everything, Tarvaris gets all that time working with Rice and Harvin. So it's not like a guy who's been working with the second teamers all offseason the last two years. That tells me he hits the ground running.

But that's just me. A guy discussing a player with a community of people, most of which can't remember what happened beyond 1 calendar year in the past...

 
Winky the tunnel ferret said:
With Rice, Berrian, and Harvin as receiving options plus an above average TE in Shiancoe he's going to have some great options. And with ADP to keep defenses close to the line it means these options won't face a lot of double teams.But what makes him really great? His rushing totals. 3,000 yards passing, 15 td's, and 450 yards rushing. Top ten here. Get him while you can.*Assuming Favre retires
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If he passes for 3,000 yards he will break the league record for INTs. Dude is not a pro QB and never has been.
 
Clifford said:
Winky the tunnel ferret said:
With Rice, Berrian, and Harvin as receiving options plus an above average TE in Shiancoe he's going to have some great options. And with ADP to keep defenses close to the line it means these options won't face a lot of double teams.But what makes him really great? His rushing totals. 3,000 yards passing, 15 td's, and 450 yards rushing. Top ten here. Get him while you can.*Assuming Favre retires
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If he passes for 3,000 yards he will break the league record for INTs. Dude is not a pro QB and never has been.
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His rookie season he had 4 picks to 2 TD's in two starts and 81 attempts - 1 pick every 20.25 attempts.His second season he had 12 pick to 9 TD's and 294 attempts - 1 pick every 24.5 attemptsHis third season he had 2 picks and 9 TD's with 149 attempts - 1 pick every 74.5 attemptsLast year he had 0 picks to 1 TD and 21 attempts - no picks in limited duty.I see a pretty positive trend. And the fact that he has a career 21 TD to 18 picks ratio, I think your hate could use a little more backing than a judgment call.
 
Jackson couldn't make the top 10 if he had Jerry Rice, Randy Moss and Andre Johnson in their prime AND everyone that is currently in the top 10 retired.

 
Winky the tunnel ferret said:
Few, if any, teams have better weapons. Rice, Harvin, Berrian, Shiancoe, Peterson? The only team that comes close is...uhm...the Ravens?
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Enough with the weapons already. Jackson still has to make his reads and make his throws, which--as I understand it--is difficult in the NFL. Not saying he'll never do it or that he won't progress, but automatically slotting him into the Top 10 based on weapons isn't enough of an argument (for me).
 
Sage is falling apart in training camp. He could very well be the #3 if Favre retires and traded(mostly likely cut) if Favre comes back. Not to mention T-Jack is Chilly's guy and he has proven every time that he will back him. Right now I'd put the odds of Sage being the starter at less then 10%.

The problem with T-Jack is he zeros in on his first read and he's still doing that this year. His accuracy has improved some but not significantly, and he has yet to prove he can stay healthy an entire season or at the very least play through the pain. Word on the O-line is that McKinney has really improved this offseason along with Hutchinson who is healthy now after playing with a torn labrum and "some stuff in there"(shoulder). The problem is we have very little quality depth and it's been showing in camp when Hutch and Sullivan have been sitting out.

All that being said I can see the case for him. He has significant offensive weapons and if the line stays healthy they're a pretty good unit in the pass block. T-Jack has made some sick tosses in training camp even with poor protection. You figure he can still be terrible and make a few plays, but really he can just check down to Percy/BB/Sid/A.D./Shianc/Toby and they can break loose to get himself top 10 fantasy numbers.

 
Cooley said:
Winky the tunnel ferret said:
Few, if any, teams have better weapons. Rice, Harvin, Berrian, Shiancoe, Peterson? The only team that comes close is...uhm...the Ravens?
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Enough with the weapons already. Jackson still has to make his reads and make his throws, which--as I understand it--is difficult in the NFL. Not saying he'll never do it or that he won't progress, but automatically slotting him into the Top 10 based on weapons isn't enough of an argument (for me).
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Try reading other parts of the thread.
 
griff321 said:
Sage is falling apart in training camp. He could very well be the #3 if Favre retires and traded(mostly likely cut) if Favre comes back. Not to mention T-Jack is Chilly's guy and he has proven every time that he will back him. Right now I'd put the odds of Sage being the starter at less then 10%.The problem with T-Jack is he zeros in on his first read and he's still doing that this year. His accuracy has improved some but not significantly, and he has yet to prove he can stay healthy an entire season or at the very least play through the pain. Word on the O-line is that McKinney has really improved this offseason along with Hutchinson who is healthy now after playing with a torn labrum and "some stuff in there"(shoulder). The problem is we have very little quality depth and it's been showing in camp when Hutch and Sullivan have been sitting out.All that being said I can see the case for him. He has significant offensive weapons and if the line stays healthy they're a pretty good unit in the pass block. T-Jack has made some sick tosses in training camp even with poor protection. You figure he can still be terrible and make a few plays, but really he can just check down to Percy/BB/Sid/A.D./Shianc/Toby and they can break loose to get himself top 10 fantasy numbers.
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:shock: Thanks for that. Glad to hear a camp perspective in all of this.
 
griff321 said:
Sage is falling apart in training camp. He could very well be the #3 if Favre retires and traded(mostly likely cut) if Favre comes back. Not to mention T-Jack is Chilly's guy and he has proven every time that he will back him. Right now I'd put the odds of Sage being the starter at less then 10%.The problem with T-Jack is he zeros in on his first read and he's still doing that this year. His accuracy has improved some but not significantly, and he has yet to prove he can stay healthy an entire season or at the very least play through the pain. Word on the O-line is that McKinney has really improved this offseason along with Hutchinson who is healthy now after playing with a torn labrum and "some stuff in there"(shoulder). The problem is we have very little quality depth and it's been showing in camp when Hutch and Sullivan have been sitting out.All that being said I can see the case for him. He has significant offensive weapons and if the line stays healthy they're a pretty good unit in the pass block. T-Jack has made some sick tosses in training camp even with poor protection. You figure he can still be terrible and make a few plays, but really he can just check down to Percy/BB/Sid/A.D./Shianc/Toby and they can break loose to get himself top 10 fantasy numbers.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, what's with all the solid analysis? We need more wild conjecture and knee jerk comments in this thread and far less of this kind of logic and reasoning...
 
TJax is not as bad as a lot of people here remember and probably not as good as some are hoping. He is not and never will be a hall of fame QB. But it certainly isn't beyond the realm of possibility that he could have a Pro Bowl type year. As others have said, he has great weapons who can rack up yards after the catch. He was raw when he came into league and was rushed into starting, but a year of watching Favre might do him good. He has been getting a lot of first team reps in off season workouts and in last year's preseason. He can also get you 30 or 40 rushing yards/game, which helps to pad a QBs' fantasy production.

But while he could be a top 10 QB, more than likely he would be about average, say QB15.

 
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