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Olsen - I think we're missing the boat on him.. (1 Viewer)

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I think Olsen is suffering from a combination of burned expectations from last year (alla Eddie Royal) and Martz coming in who hates TEs. Last year he was a consensus top 5 TE, finished 10th, was 7th or 8th in TE targets, was 3rd overall for redzone targets with 24 and was less than a ppg worse than the #5 TE (so he converts two more of his redzone tgts and he's 4th). This year he's ranked 18th among TEs....he's still young, he's still talented, he still doesn't have a ton weapons of proven weapons (and believe me I'm loving Knox this year), he's still got a gunslinger for a QB and they've brought in the ultimate gunslinging OC.

Yes, I know that Martz historically hasn't been a friend to TEs but I don't believe that he's stupid enough to have a talent like him and not use him. Then I read yesterday at camp they were targeting the TE big time lately in Chicago's camp. This guy is currently ranked beyond that last TE that you'd pick up and I think it's nuts. Why am I wrong, what am I missing?

 
TEs are worthless for fantasy under Martz, do you really think Martz will change this late in his carreer

avoid all bears except cutler

the wr's are too risky, sure one of them will be a stud, but which one, take the last one available

forte ain't marshall faulk and tayor will steal receptions

 
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Martz raved about VD in training camp a couple of year's ago. He was soooo talented, they would find a way to get him the ball.

Then the season started, and VD disappeared off the radar.

 
Banger said:
I think Olsen is suffering from a combination of burned expectations from last year (alla Eddie Royal) and Martz coming in who hates TEs. Last year he was a consensus top 5 TE, finished 10th, was 7th or 8th in TE targets, was 3rd overall for redzone targets with 24 and was less than a ppg worse than the #5 TE (so he converts two more of his redzone tgts and he's 4th). This year he's ranked 18th among TEs....he's still young, he's still talented, he still doesn't have a ton weapons of proven weapons (and believe me I'm loving Knox this year), he's still got a gunslinger for a QB and they've brought in the ultimate gunslinging OC.

Yes, I know that Martz historically hasn't been a friend to TEs but I don't believe that he's stupid enough to have a talent like him and not use him. Then I read yesterday at camp they were targeting the TE big time lately in Chicago's camp. This guy is currently ranked beyond that last TE that you'd pick up and I think it's nuts. Why am I wrong, what am I missing?
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First off :goodposting: I may be in the minority like you but I agree with you. And heres why

Olsen is a WR trapped in a TE body, just like Vernon Davis was. I know people Vernon Davis was never utilitzed in SF when Martz was there and Martz doesn't like Tight Ends blah blah blah blah.

Martz never had a TE in STL except for Brandon Manuel... the Hawaiian guy who was blocking TE anyways, besides he had Holt, Bruce and oh yea Faulk,

He went to Detroit who did not have a TE either, and they were so bad he needed to pass deep all the time, this is not the routes TE run

Then he went to San Fran and he had Vernon Davis who was talented but had a big mouth. The year before Davis had decent numbers but nothing special, he was inconsistent and had 2 good games back to back for 7 catches and 77 yards and 6 for 71 and a TD but that was pretty much it.

Now he has Olsen who is coming into his own, had the best year of his career, is one of Cutler's favorite targets, and plays like a WR. Bears already have two good blocking TE's so Olsen is not going to be used as a blocker, but rather as a WR.

Bottom Line: Olsen is being way underdrafted because of the Martz fear and I would Love to Snatch him up late for nothing.

 
I should have put Davis in the original post and I know they didn't have success when he was in SF with Martz. A lot of FF is picking against the grain, not to the point of being ridiculous, but taking calculated bets in areas of low risk and decent reward, where people aren't looking that may pay off. TE is among the deepest positions since there are so many more good ones and most leagues you only start one. I'd have no problem rolling with Olsen as the last TE off the board and if he sucks so be it you snag a decent one off the WW but there are also reasons to believe he might be good (at least in my warped thinking).

History is a part of analyzing FF situations but I think too many rely on it too much as a crutch. It's not always predictive. Many FF players often hold grudges over players and situations as opposed to reassessing situations. Maybe this situation will be exactly like SF with Davis but the difference is that Davis's value rose dramatically to where he was a mid-round pick and Olsen can be the last player in the draft...big difference in value. Look at C. Benson, I fell into the trap early on that he was a bum, he sucked in Chicago, yada, yada, yada. Yes, you always need to look back at history but you also need to look forward and think what if this were to change, or who is going to get the opportunity, do they have other options. No one here knows exactly what happened with Davis, it may have been a personality thing where I know there have been issues with Davis with coaches/teammates in the past, who knows. I know Martz's offense hasn't been TE friendly in the past but that doesn't mean that he may not have looked back at Davis's year last year and think about what he could've done differently.

There are instances when you use history to guide you but a situation like this there is essentially zero risk (outside of opportunity risk where you could have selected a different TE). This is TE at the end of the day where outside the top 2-3 they all pretty much taste like chicken. I've played a long time and I can't really remember any leagues ever being won by a star TE, maybe with the exception of Sharpe years back or some of the Gonzo years when there weren't as many good TEs. Last year the Gates/Clark/Davis owners didn't even make the playoffs in my main league.

 
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Banger said:
Yes, I know that Martz historically hasn't been a friend to TEs but I don't believe that he's stupid enough to have a talent like him and not use him.
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This is where we differ. See also Davis, Vernon
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Right there with you as an Olsen owner. Martz is not smart enough to be able to utilize his best players effectively. Take away the Rams OC position he lucked into and the guy is a total hack who gets his QB beat up. He cannot adapt to the personnel he is coaching.
 
It seems like lately there are so many good receiving TE that there is no point in gambling with someone like Olson, unless you are the 12th person getting a TE.

 
i like your philosophy, i actually agree with it, i don't like spending a lot for a quality tight end.

like you said, you have to take risks, and olsen's ceiling is high. he certainly has the talent to succeed, we saw that last year.

he's definitely worth the gamble for a late round tight end pick. high risk obvious, high reward. if he sucks, you just cut him.

i love these picks because they can win you a championship.

u have to take risks, not go for a bunch of safe picks that will net you 35 yards per game, you spend a reasonably high draft pick on him, and now you are stuck with him.

with this olsen pick you can be merciless. and cut him instantly if he sucks. no harm done.

the one thing i guess you could say you are missing is that the bears have a lot of decent tight ends...

olsen will be sharing the field with desmond clark, kellen davis, brandon mautemula (although he is more of a blocking tight end).

i watched the first day of bears minicamp, it might not mean much, but the guy made the most plays out of the tight ends was desmond clark. not greg olsen.

 
Chicago Bears Day 8 Summary: Soldier Field practice

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Sean Jensen

on August 6, 2010

Remember all that talk about Mike Martz not using tight ends?

Well, ask any of the 26,000 fans at Soldier Field Friday night if Greg Olsen and company were a prominent part of the offense during the open practice.

While Kellen Davis and Brandon Manumaleuna were sidelined, Olsen and Desmond Clark made several highlight catches, most of them at least 15 yards down the field.

"I like what the tight ends are doing," Bears coach Lovie Smith said. "Greg Olsen has had a [good] camp."

Olsen plucked a ball near Pisa Tinoisamoa's shoulders on the sideline, and he also caught a laser from quarterback Jay Cutler, who was flushed out of the pocket and toward the right sideline. Olsen made the catch, got his feet in bounds, all with linebacker Lance Briggs on his back.

Desmond Clark also made a nice catch, barely hauling in a long pass that backup quarteback Caleb Hanie threw a little too far in front of the veteran.

But overall, especially when it was 11-on-11, the defense seemed to get the better of the offense. Part of that may have been the switch of longtime starting right guard Roberto Garza to left guard. Lance Louis, a seventh-round pick last year, got the start at right guard.

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Cutler watch: Olsen the target at Soldier Field

By Fred Mitchell

Jay Cutler was in sync with his receivers Friday night at Soldier Field, especially tight end Greg Olsen, who caught eight of his passes during seven-on-seven and 11-on-11 drills.

Wide receiver Johnny Knox was right behind Olsen with six. Cutler displayed a great touch on passes to backs Matt Forte and Chester Taylor. Also in on the action were tight end Desmond Clark and wide receivers Rashied Davis and Devin Aromashodu.

Cutler performed mistake-free throughout the passing sessions. He connected on 7 of 12 passes during seven-on-seven drills and 10 of 15 during full-team practice.

 
Signing Brandon Manumaleuna with Greg Olsen, Kellen Davis and Desmond Clark already on the roster speaks volumes. I traded Olsen for Sheffler straight-up.

 
I wouldn't be high on him even if Martz wasn't in town. I've seen every game he's played, and he is shockingly unathletic, soft, and prone to drops/having the ball knocked out of his hands. He goes down like a sack of potatoes at any contact. He's just not that good. People say he's a "WR in a TEs body," but he doesn't have WR speed. In real world terms, there are probably somewhere between 15 and 20 TEs that I would rather have on my team. Add in an OC that loves to get the ball to WRs while the TEs block, and you have almost no upside. If the Bears could have gotten anything for Olsen this offseason, they would have traded him.

But, if you want to take a shot on him as your #2, that's fine. I don't think it will pan out, personally, but if you get him very late it shouldn't be a large risk.

 
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I wouldn't be high on him even if Martz wasn't in town. I've seen every game he's played, and he is shockingly unathletic, soft, and prone to drops/having the ball knocked out of his hands. He goes down like a sack of potatoes at any contact. He's just not that good. People say he's a "WR in a TEs body," but he doesn't have WR speed. In real world terms, there are probably somewhere between 15 and 20 TEs that I would rather have on my team. Add in an OC that loves to get the ball to WRs while the TEs block, and you have almost no upside. If the Bears could have gotten anything for Olsen this offseason, they would have traded him.

But, if you want to take a shot on him as your #2, that's fine. I don't think it will pan out, personally, but if you get him very late it shouldn't be a large risk.
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Miami tight end Greg Olsen appears to have made himself a lot of money after his NFL combine workouts.

In my initial first-round projection, I had the 6-foot-5-inch junior going to the Chicago Bears with the 31st pick. Now, however, Olsen should go somewhere in the middle of the first round because he's fast (4.54 40-yard dash), sure-handed and very athletic.
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:goodposting: Cutler likes throwing the ball to this guy, especially in the red zone(24 targets in 2009). If Martz does decide to utilize his receiving talents, as he has been seemingly doing so far in training camp, he's nothing but upside considering his ADP. If he doesn't we'll know extremely early on during the preseason. Olsen is certainly worth stashing on your roster with a late pick until we get a better gauge on how he'll be used. It's rare that you can get a guy coming off his career best season that included 8 TD catches as TE16

 
My concern with Olsen's fantasy prospects, after the whole Martz effect, is that Chicago's O-line is not good... Martz likes to have a bunch of passing targets, so 3 and 4 WR sets are going to be more common... these two things taken together makes me think that the Chicago TE is going to have to stay in and block too much to get a lot of targets. 2 TE sets don't seem likely, and blocking is not Olsen's strength.

I like his talents, but don't see a high finish this year.

 
Grahamburn said:
destro said:
I wouldn't be high on him even if Martz wasn't in town. I've seen every game he's played, and he is shockingly unathletic, soft, and prone to drops/having the ball knocked out of his hands. He goes down like a sack of potatoes at any contact. He's just not that good. People say he's a "WR in a TEs body," but he doesn't have WR speed. In real world terms, there are probably somewhere between 15 and 20 TEs that I would rather have on my team. Add in an OC that loves to get the ball to WRs while the TEs block, and you have almost no upside. If the Bears could have gotten anything for Olsen this offseason, they would have traded him.

But, if you want to take a shot on him as your #2, that's fine. I don't think it will pan out, personally, but if you get him very late it shouldn't be a large risk.
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Miami tight end Greg Olsen appears to have made himself a lot of money after his NFL combine workouts.

In my initial first-round projection, I had the 6-foot-5-inch junior going to the Chicago Bears with the 31st pick. Now, however, Olsen should go somewhere in the middle of the first round because he's fast (4.54 40-yard dash), sure-handed and very athletic.
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:mellow: Cutler likes throwing the ball to this guy, especially in the red zone(24 targets in 2009). If Martz does decide to utilize his receiving talents, as he has been seemingly doing so far in training camp, he's nothing but upside considering his ADP. If he doesn't we'll know extremely early on during the preseason. Olsen is certainly worth stashing on your roster with a late pick until we get a better gauge on how he'll be used. It's rare that you can get a guy coming off his career best season that included 8 TD catches as TE16
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I don't really care what someone thought about him 4 years ago or what his 40 time was in shorts, because his performance on the field for the last several years has been extremely underwhelming. I thought he was a great pick for the Bears when he was drafted, and I expected him to be a top 5ish TE at some point, but the hype did not translate on to the field in the NFL. I didn't say he was dead slow, I just don't think he's fast compared to most wideouts. He's a little faster than the average TE, sure, that's about the only good thing I can say about him. He's certainly not Vernon Davis freak-of-nature fast. And as I said, taking him as a #2 is a low risk situation, so I would not fault anyone for that. Watching him as much as I have, though, I am highly skeptical he will turn it around.

 
Olsen's numbers have gone up every year since he came into the league, he now has a 2nd full year with Cutler and a real offensive coordinator that whatever people think of him stretches the field and improves your offense.

Everything in my opinion is trending for Olsen to be set up for another improvement in numbers like the last 3 years

My projections for Olsen this year are

70 catches 750 yards 9 TD's

 
Banger said:
Yes, I know that Martz historically hasn't been a friend to TEs but I don't believe that he's stupid enough to have a talent like him and not use him. Then I read yesterday at camp they were targeting the TE big time lately in Chicago's camp. This guy is currently ranked beyond that last TE that you'd pick up and I think it's nuts. Why am I wrong, what am I missing?
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If you think you know Mike Martz but also think he won't do something stupid, then you don't really know Mike Martz.Look at how he utilized Marshall Faulk and the running game while his QB's were getting their heads bashed in.

And this Mike Martz is now going to tailor his scheme to get Greg Olsen more involved?

It'll take seeing that happen before I believe it can. And even then, I'd have to wonder if I'm hallucinating.

 
Bloom tweeted that he caught like 12 TDs in practice last night...OK 6. I don't know what that menas but Chicago's offense has a terrible OL and Martz puts an unbelievable amount of pressure on his Tackles to keep the pockets together. Cutler will not have a lot of clean pockets to throw from IMO.

 
Chi TE will be a wasteland this year. Nothing to see folks, move along.

IF you're looking for a TE steal I'd train my eyes on Kellen Winslow, who should be available after the top 7-8. That or whoever starts in St. Louis.

 
from the Olsen spotlight this is what I posted.

Olsen is having a great camp as a catching TE. Him and Cutler have been hooking up a lot. they have been doing red zone drills lately and Olsen has a lot of TDs, yesterday he had 6TDs. on just about every draft sheet he is listed too low IMO.I would bump him up based on how his training camp is going. I would say he should be take before Owen Daniels and not in the Scheffler territory.the reason why he is low is not the lack of his talent as a receiver but Martz history with TEs. it seems like Martz is realizing his past mistakes. he knows like all of us they he missed used V Davis.Martz and Cutler have the most passionate bromance I have seen with a coach and a player. alsoCutler and Olsen are close friends, and they do good chemistry. It seems realistic that Martz would be changing some of his how he plays TEs. this is my speculation based on what I have been hearing out of camp.
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This was just posted in the "Training Camp Observations" thread:

» Ignore the talk about the tight ends having a diminishing role in Mike Martz's offense. Desmond Clark and Greg Olsen were frequently targeted during seven-on-seven drills and "move the ball" periods. Although Martz's offenses in the past have featured a ton of three- and four-receiver sets, the Bears showed several double tight end formations with Olsen occupying one of the slot positions. With Olsen capable of creating mismatches against linebackers and nickel corners, his versatility will be utilized.
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I'm starting to get the impression that some of us are missing the boat on him.
 
So far in TC Olsen has led all wr's in targets...still flying waaaay under the radar.

Devin Hester: Hester, Aromashodu targeted equally

Devin Hester - WR - CHI - Aug. 20 - 10:54 am et

Devin Hester was targeted by Jay Cutler 76 times in training camp, compared to 77 for Devin Aromashodu.

Johnny Knox also had 77 targets, but he was out to a clear lead before missing time earlier in the week with a tight hamstring. The data supports receivers coach Darryl Drake's contention that the Bears have three "starters" at receiver, and Aromashodu could very well outproduce Hester. Tight end Greg Olsen led all players with 86 targets. We remain skeptical of that trend continuing once the regular season starts

 
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FavreCo said:
-jb- said:
Banger said:
Yes, I know that Martz historically hasn't been a friend to TEs but I don't believe that he's stupid enough to have a talent like him and not use him.
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This is where we differ. See also Davis, Vernon
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Right there with you as an Olsen owner. Martz is not smart enough to be able to utilize his best players effectively. Take away the Rams OC position he lucked into and the guy is a total hack who gets his QB beat up. He cannot adapt to the personnel he is coaching.
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exactly. I do not trust Martz at all. Olsen is extremely talented but in no way, shape or form would I trust him under Martz as my #1. Great upside as a #2, but Martz is extremely bullheaded and has demonstrated time and time again that he wants to fit a square peg into a round hole.

HE won't adapt to the players, he'll expect the PLAYERS to adapt to him

 
Banger said:
So far in TC Olsen has led all wr's in targets...still flying waaaay under the radar.

Devin Hester: Hester, Aromashodu targeted equally

Devin Hester - WR - CHI - Aug. 20 - 10:54 am et

Devin Hester was targeted by Jay Cutler 76 times in training camp, compared to 77 for Devin Aromashodu.

Johnny Knox also had 77 targets, but he was out to a clear lead before missing time earlier in the week with a tight hamstring. The data supports receivers coach Darryl Drake's contention that the Bears have three "starters" at receiver, and Aromashodu could very well outproduce Hester. Tight end Greg Olsen led all players with 86 targets. We remain skeptical of that trend continuing once the regular season starts
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Thanks for the post. Great information.I find it odd that they'd still be so skeptical regarding Olsen's involvement in the offense. Why would the Bears (Cutler/Martz) target him so much in practice if they weren't planning on transitioning that to game situations?

I already have Olsen stashed, so I'm interested to see how involved he is in the next two preseason games.

I'd love to have the confidence to start him right out of the gate against Detroit.

 
sgtrobo said:
FavreCo said:
-jb- said:
Banger said:
Yes, I know that Martz historically hasn't been a friend to TEs but I don't believe that he's stupid enough to have a talent like him and not use him.
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This is where we differ. See also Davis, Vernon
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Right there with you as an Olsen owner. Martz is not smart enough to be able to utilize his best players effectively. Take away the Rams OC position he lucked into and the guy is a total hack who gets his QB beat up. He cannot adapt to the personnel he is coaching.
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exactly. I do not trust Martz at all. Olsen is extremely talented but in no way, shape or form would I trust him under Martz as my #1. Great upside as a #2, but Martz is extremely bullheaded and has demonstrated time and time again that he wants to fit a square peg into a round hole.

HE won't adapt to the players, he'll expect the PLAYERS to adapt to him
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I agree that he hasn't in the past but sometimes things change which is why I'm keeping an eye on this situation. Constantly coaches/OCs have histories of running with a workhorse back and would never employ an RBBC until the one year they do or vice versa. Sometimes it's a function of personnel and talent that they have and how they fit the schemes. It's certainly worth monitoring as things always change in the NFL and he's going for a song right now.
 
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Banger said:
So far in TC Olsen has led all wr's in targets...still flying waaaay under the radar.

Devin Hester: Hester, Aromashodu targeted equally

Devin Hester - WR - CHI - Aug. 20 - 10:54 am et

Devin Hester was targeted by Jay Cutler 76 times in training camp, compared to 77 for Devin Aromashodu.

Johnny Knox also had 77 targets, but he was out to a clear lead before missing time earlier in the week with a tight hamstring. The data supports receivers coach Darryl Drake's contention that the Bears have three "starters" at receiver, and Aromashodu could very well outproduce Hester. Tight end Greg Olsen led all players with 86 targets. We remain skeptical of that trend continuing once the regular season starts
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Thanks for the post. Great information.I find it odd that they'd still be so skeptical regarding Olsen's involvement in the offense. Why would the Bears (Cutler/Martz) target him so much in practice if they weren't planning on transitioning that to game situations?

I already have Olsen stashed, so I'm interested to see how involved he is in the next two preseason games.

I'd love to have the confidence to start him right out of the gate against Detroit.
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it's based solely on Martz and his history with TEs. Sometimes you have to look against the trends/history to find value and go one way while the herd is going the other especially when the risk is very low.He was the 3rd most targetted red zone target in the league last year, the team has a bunch of unproven wr's, especially in the redzone (and I'm a huge fan of Knox), they are going to pass a lot and those targets have to go somewhere. Right now he's tied for ranked 19th among TEs. You can take him with the last pick in your draft and if things break right you can have a top TE for nothing and if they don't use him he's WW bait. Perfect upside guy IMO.

 
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Banger said:
Grahamburn said:
Banger said:
So far in TC Olsen has led all wr's in targets...still flying waaaay under the radar.

Devin Hester: Hester, Aromashodu targeted equally

Devin Hester - WR - CHI - Aug. 20 - 10:54 am et

Devin Hester was targeted by Jay Cutler 76 times in training camp, compared to 77 for Devin Aromashodu.

Johnny Knox also had 77 targets, but he was out to a clear lead before missing time earlier in the week with a tight hamstring. The data supports receivers coach Darryl Drake's contention that the Bears have three "starters" at receiver, and Aromashodu could very well outproduce Hester. Tight end Greg Olsen led all players with 86 targets. We remain skeptical of that trend continuing once the regular season starts
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Thanks for the post. Great information.I find it odd that they'd still be so skeptical regarding Olsen's involvement in the offense. Why would the Bears (Cutler/Martz) target him so much in practice if they weren't planning on transitioning that to game situations?

I already have Olsen stashed, so I'm interested to see how involved he is in the next two preseason games.

I'd love to have the confidence to start him right out of the gate against Detroit.
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it's based solely on Martz and his history with TEs. Sometimes you have to look against the trends/history to find value and go one way while the herd is going the other especially when the risk is very low.He was the 3rd most targetted red zone target in the league last year, the team has a bunch of unproven wr's, especially in the redzone (and I'm a huge fan of Knox), they are going to pass a lot and those targets have to go somewhere. Right now he's tied for ranked 19th among TEs. You can take him with the last pick in your draft and if things break right you can have a top TE for nothing and if they don't use him he's WW bait. Perfect upside guy IMO.
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like I said, I'm all about grabbing him as a 2nd TE and I am giving serious consideration to snatching him up and pairing him with Heath Miller, another guy who is inexplicably flying under the radar, or Zach Miller. Campbell loves his TE (man that sounds nasty), and their bye weeks work well together as part of a pretty decent TEBC with some solid upside.

 
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like I said, I'm all about grabbing him as a 2nd TE and I am giving serious consideration to snatching him up and pairing him with Heath Miller, another guy who is inexplicably flying under the radar, or Zach Miller. Campbell loves his TE (man that sounds nasty), and their bye weeks work well together as part of a pretty decent TEBC with some solid upside.
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agree completely..Miller, Cooley or Daniels would work nice. No risk besides the opportunity cost of who you would take with that incredibly late pick.
 
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I should have put Davis in the original post and I know they didn't have success when he was in SF with Martz. A lot of FF is picking against the grain, not to the point of being ridiculous, but taking calculated bets in areas of low risk and decent reward, where people aren't looking that may pay off. TE is among the deepest positions since there are so many more good ones and most leagues you only start one. I'd have no problem rolling with Olsen as the last TE off the board and if he sucks so be it you snag a decent one off the WW but there are also reasons to believe he might be good (at least in my warped thinking).History is a part of analyzing FF situations but I think too many rely on it too much as a crutch. It's not always predictive. Many FF players often hold grudges over players and situations as opposed to reassessing situations. Maybe this situation will be exactly like SF with Davis but the difference is that Davis's value rose dramatically to where he was a mid-round pick and Olsen can be the last player in the draft...big difference in value. Look at C. Benson, I fell into the trap early on that he was a bum, he sucked in Chicago, yada, yada, yada. Yes, you always need to look back at history but you also need to look forward and think what if this were to change, or who is going to get the opportunity, do they have other options. No one here knows exactly what happened with Davis, it may have been a personality thing where I know there have been issues with Davis with coaches/teammates in the past, who knows. I know Martz's offense hasn't been TE friendly in the past but that doesn't mean that he may not have looked back at Davis's year last year and think about what he could've done differently. There are instances when you use history to guide you but a situation like this there is essentially zero risk (outside of opportunity risk where you could have selected a different TE). This is TE at the end of the day where outside the top 2-3 they all pretty much taste like chicken. I've played a long time and I can't really remember any leagues ever being won by a star TE, maybe with the exception of Sharpe years back or some of the Gonzo years when there weren't as many good TEs. Last year the Gates/Clark/Davis owners didn't even make the playoffs in my main league.
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I'm with you on this one. At his current price, he is all upside. We think we know what Martz will do, and that he hates tight ends. We are basing that on seasons where he had two near Hall of Famers at wide receivers and a Hall of Fame receiving back, and never threw to a tight end (would you?), and a season in SF where he had Vernon Davis, and where he was at odds with the coach and may not have had full authority to implement, and certainly didn't have any good QB's. We don't know what he would do with a Tony Gonzalez or Kellen Winslow in their primes, and we don't know what he will do with Greg Olsen.I know this. Using history as a guide, tight ends can be stars in the type of offense that Martz runs. He comes from the Air Coryell tree, and some of the biggest tight end seasons of all-time have come from those vertical passing offenses. Kellen Winslow. Tony Gonzalez. From 1983-1985, after Winslow had already had 3 Monster seasons, and when he was breaking down and missed almost half the games, the tight ends (Winslow, Sievers and Holohan) put up the following totals in the Air Coryell offense:1983: 144 rec, 1896 yds, 13 td's1984: 152 rec, 1835 yds, 6 td's1985: 108 rec, 1214 yds, 9 td'sI know that the plays and productivity for a tight end in this type of offense are there. Now, I suppose it's possible that Martz' mom was killed by a tight end and he has an irrational hatred of them, and so he will refuse to use a tight end even though it is there in the offense. At TE18, I'm willing to take a chance that's not true, on a team with no established top wide receiver, with a 25 year old tight end that has over 100 catches, 1000 yards receiving, and 13 td's at ages 23 and 24, and on a team that is likely to pass it alot.
 
As long as Jay and Greg are still tossing back beer together after hours Olsen will get some targets.

Solid TE2 and a definite HOLD in dynasty.

Too much talent & chemistry there to ignore.

 
It still seems like Cutler is trying to force the ball to him, but Olsen still looks mediocre to me. Did you watch this game?

He dropped one, and his YAC potential is almost non-existent. I think the TE on the other team is far better in terms of actual NFL skills.

 
destro said:
It still seems like Cutler is trying to force the ball to him, but Olsen still looks mediocre to me. Did you watch this game?He dropped one, and his YAC potential is almost non-existent. I think the TE on the other team is far better in terms of actual NFL skills.
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:thumbup: Olsen isn't that good. He can't get seperation or break any tackles. Backup TE on the fantasy squad.
 
sgtrobo said:
like I said, I'm all about grabbing him as a 2nd TE and I am giving serious consideration to snatching him up and pairing him with Heath Miller, another guy who is inexplicably flying under the radar, or Zach Miller. Campbell loves his TE (man that sounds nasty), and their bye weeks work well together as part of a pretty decent TEBC with some solid upside.
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:goodposting: That is EXACTLY what I did. I picked up Heath Miller and Olsen after everyone had got their TE. I am thrilled....Miller had 79 catches last year and with Holmes now gone and the running game continuing to stink (see Mendenhall's stats from preseason game 2 last night) he should get the same again. And Olsen has huge upside given how none of the Bears WRs are real red zone targets in terms of size like Olsen is a mis-match for LBs and Safeties.
 
I'm really liking Olsen's value going forward after watching the game Monday night. Cutler looks for him constantly, especially in the red zone. He's easily the Bears best threat around the goalline.

He also gets several snaps a game from the slot. It seems the Martz TE negativity was premature.

 
Grahamburn said:
I'm really liking Olsen's value going forward after watching the game Monday night. Cutler looks for him constantly, especially in the red zone. He's easily the Bears best threat around the goalline.He also gets several snaps a game from the slot. It seems the Martz TE negativity was premature.
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Hes not a total turd as feared but he still only has 13 targets through 3 games.
 
Stash him in dynasty leagues, as IF the Bears let him go/or he wants to go, he can be a top 3 fantasy TE in the right system. His catch and run versus Dallas is a glimpse of what he can do if he fell into the right coordinators hands, but unfortunately, the Bears need him to block more than we would like, but it is necessary in Martz's system.

 
fruity pebbles said:
Grahamburn said:
I'm really liking Olsen's value going forward after watching the game Monday night. Cutler looks for him constantly, especially in the red zone. He's easily the Bears best threat around the goalline.He also gets several snaps a game from the slot. It seems the Martz TE negativity was premature.
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Hes not a total turd as feared but he still only has 13 targets through 3 games.
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Seems to be going up, though.
 
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