Ultimate Survivor - League 1 (1 Viewer)

EBF said:

This was a survivor league with 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, and 1 FLEX. We get 1 PPR for RB/WR and 1.5 PPR for TE.

Going into the draft, I decided to emphasize QB, RB, and TE with my early picks because I think the scarcity of impact players at those positions, the lack of depth, and the 1.5 PPR for TEs gave them a big boost. I also made a very conscious effort to avoid players with week 4 and 5 byes because they'll be out of my lineup 20% of the time in this five week league setup.

My team analysis:

QB

1.11 - Peyton Manning

12.02 - Chad Henne

Great group. Manning should be a rock in my lineup. Henne is an excellent backup with big game potential. The only downside here is that Henne has an early bye, so I'll need Manning to play well during that week.

RB

4.02 - Ryan Mathews

5.11 - Jahvid Best

6.02 - Felix Jones

11.11 - Donald Brown

Not much in the way of depth, but the quality is there. I think I got excellent value with Mathews at 4.02 and Best at 5.11. People always give me flak for drafting a lot of rookies, but I think they often present great value in redraft leagues because other owners are overly-gunshy about rostering them. Mathews and Best are both easily the most talented backs on their teams and they should log a lot of touches starting immediately in week one. I was planning to avoid Felix Jones because he has an early bye, but the value made sense at 6.02. I needed another good RB who offered a strong combination of upside/reliability. Felix was one of the last good options left. My top three should give me at least two solid options every week if they stay healthy. For my RB4, I was left to decide between Donald Brown and Tim Hightower. I went with Brown because I think he has a little more upside. If nothing else, he should give me a decent emergency backup.

WR

3.11 - Michael Crabtree

7.11 - Jerricho Cotchery

8.02 - Lee Evans

9.11 - Nate Burleson

13.11 - Kevin Walter

14.02 - Josh Morgan

15.11 - Devery Henderson

16.02 - Brandon LaFell

19.11 - Davone Bess

20.02 - Jordy Nelson

23.11 - Emmanuel Sanders

24.02 - Donte Stallworth

I subscribe to a quantity > quality philosophy when it comes to best ball WRs. 3-4 mediocre starters can approximate one elite player's production because in any given week there are 60-80 guys who can catch 5 passes for 80 yards and a TD. With that in mind, WR was my lowest priority among the major positions. Crabtree and Cotchery give me two solid high-floor possession WRs. With Holmes sidelined for a few games, I don't see any reason to think Cotchery won't give me the kind of top 30 ppg numbers he has steadily averaged each of the past three seasons. Evans, Burleson, Walter, Morgan, and Bess are solid veterans who should see lots of playing time for their teams and catch some passes every week. Henderson, Stallworth, and Sanders give me major home run potential since they all have the ability to score long TDs. LaFell was a wild card for upside and Nelson could be a decent depth guy. Overall, this group lacks star power, but I have ridiculous depth with 12 guys competing to fill 3-4 spots every week. Only two of these guys, Bess and Sanders, have a bye in the first five weeks.

TE

2.02 - Jermichael Finley

10.02 - Greg Olsen

I was hoping to get Antonio Gates with my first round pick, but that plan was foiled. I knew I wanted an elite TE though, so I shoehorned Finley into this slot even though it was a bit of a reach. I didn't want Clark because I already had Manning and didn't want to be overly reliant on the Indy passing game. I didn't want Davis because I don't quite trust him yet and I think Crabtree will vulture some of his looks. I didn't want Witten because he has an early bye. That left Finley as the top TE on my board. He's more unproven than I'd like from such an early pick, but I think he's for real. Landing Olsen as my backup in the 10th round was a real stroke of luck. In this format with the flex spot and 1.5 PPR for TE, he really shouldn't have been available that late. I think he gives me a great insurance policy.

PK

21.11 - Josh Scobee

22.02 - Rian Lindell

Two veteran kickers with good job security and late byes.

DEF

17.11 - Redskins DEF

18.02 - Houston DEF

Not great units, but not horrible either and they each have late byes. I might have liked a third defense, but it didn't happen because teams took them early and one owner went bonkers drafting something like 6 defenses.

OVERALL

This is a classic example of my best ball/survivor strategy: elite starters and excellent depth at the premium positions with enough live bodies at RB and WR to keep me afloat. Anything can happen in these leagues and I could be in trouble if my RB crew disappoints, but this team should be hard to kill because it doesn't have any glaring weaknesses.

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Just Win Baby said:

With regard to the comedy gold comment:LHUCKS drafted Vincent Jackson at 11.6... he will miss at least 3 of the 5 games in this competition, and it seems likely he will miss all of them due to holdoutgianmarco drafted Roethlisberger at 12.5... he is expected to miss all 5 weeks of this competition.packertazman drafted Santonio Holmes at 18.12... he is expected to miss the first 4 (of 5) weeks of this competition.LHUCKS takes the prize on this, given his pick was the earliest, and given his subsequent revelation that he was drafting with no clue about the rules.

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Just Win Baby said:

QB - Rivers, GarrardRB - Grant, Stewart, Jacobs, Sproles, Larry Johnson, Bell, Brandon JacksonWR - Calvin Johnson, Nicks, Breaston, Avery, Manningham, Doucet, Robiskie, Craig DavisTE - Gates, ShockeyK - Crosby, Tynes, NugentD/ST - Bengals, Colts

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Jeff Pasquino said:

A 5th RB >> 12th WR for you and Choice was available in Round 24. Considering Felix Jones is on your team that should have been the pick.3RBs can count for you, so only having 4 was an unnecessary risk.

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Will Grant said:

Just Win Baby said:

With regard to the comedy gold comment:LHUCKS drafted Vincent Jackson at 11.6... he will miss at least 3 of the 5 games in this competition, and it seems likely he will miss all of them due to holdoutgianmarco drafted Roethlisberger at 12.5... he is expected to miss all 5 weeks of this competition.packertazman drafted Santonio Holmes at 18.12... he is expected to miss the first 4 (of 5) weeks of this competition.LHUCKS takes the prize on this, given his pick was the earliest, and given his subsequent revelation that he was drafting with no clue about the rules.

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Lest we forget Misfitblondes and the single team defensive squeeze. Six total on their roster by the end of the draft, but only 1 QB and 1 PK.

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Will Grant said:

Just Win Baby said:

QB - Rivers, GarrardRB - Grant, Stewart, Jacobs, Sproles, Larry Johnson, Bell, Brandon JacksonWR - Calvin Johnson, Nicks, Breaston, Avery, Manningham, Doucet, Robiskie, Craig DavisTE - Gates, ShockeyK - Crosby, Tynes, NugentD/ST - Bengals, Colts

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I really like this team, and there were a couple guys that I was targeting at various points in the draft that I see on this roster. Nicks at 4.04 when I wanted him at 4.06 was very disappointing... well played. Only way this team fails is if the QBS have a bad week at the same time.

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renesauz said:

Jeff Pasquino said:

A 5th RB >> 12th WR for you and Choice was available in Round 24. Considering Felix Jones is on your team that should have been the pick.3RBs can count for you, so only having 4 was an unnecessary risk.

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I agree. With 22 man rosters, you're only two injuries away from being toast, at a position where it's NORMAL for a player to miss a game or 3 every season.That said, if your RB's stay upright, this team will be a near impossible out, as it should score excellant points at WR every week.

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Ministry of Pain said:

OK, let's allow the adults to take over. 6 defenses by MisfitBlondes, that's a new one. 5TEs to boot but only 1 QB and Kicker...I'm rooting for him/her.LHucks despite taking VJax has a nasty trio to lead things off at WR.Couch Potato looks good till bye weeksMust have been a lot of photo contest winners in this

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Will Grant said:

Manning, Eli NYG QB Moore, Matt CAR QBStafford, Matthew DET QBI always planned on going QBBC and getting two guys pretty early. However, there was a lot of value in the early rounds and the TE run forced me to hold off a bit. Still pretty happy with Eli/Stafford as 1-2. Moore was best of the rest at the time that I took him (17.07)Buckhalter, Correll DEN RB Faulk, Kevin NEP RB Jackson, Steven STL RB Tomlinson, LaDainian NYJ RBTurner, Michael ATL RB Westbrook, Brian FA* RBI expected Jackson to be gone at 1.07 and figured I'd land AJ or Fitz. Jackson was a nice find at that point. I liked Turner in the second more than the WRS that were available so going RB-RB was more of a 'best player available' approach rather than my initial plan. The rest were more value picks than anything else. Westbrook is a total flyer pick in the 23rd round. Douglas, Harry ATL WRGaffney, Jabar DEN WRGibson, Brandon STL WR Moore, Lance NOS WR Moss, Santana WAS WRMurphy, Louis OAK WR Smith, Steve NYG WR Smith was the backup plan when I lost Nicks before my 4.06 pick. Moss was a nice complement to him. Very happy with Gaffney as he looks like the best WR in Denver - especially during the first five weeks. Moore and Douglas were swing for the fence type of plays and I'm happy with both. Murphy and Gibson were flyers more than anything else. Daniels, Owen HOU TE Gonzalez, Tony ATL TEScheffler, Tony DET TEI wanted two TEs before the 10th round, but I never expected it to be this crowd. TE went VERY early with the bonus PPR, but I was still happy to land Gonzo and Daniels in the timeframe that I wanted. Scheffler was a bonus pick - Stafford really struggled last season looking for an alternative to Megatron and he never really had one. If Scheffler becomes that 'check down' guy for him this year, he's a steal at 13.07Brown, Josh STL PKGraham, Shayne BAL PK PK run kinda snuck up on me. I wasn't interested in Graham at that slot but took him to make sure I landed a good starter. Brown was another guy at the wrong end of a PK run, but at least he kicks indoors. Buccaneers, Tampa Bay TBB Def Chargers, San Diego SDC DefEagles, Philadelphia PHI DefI took the Eagles way way way early but I love their schedule and had them rated as my DEF1. Given the crazy runs that were going on, I didn't want to take a chance on missing them. I came in wanting 3 DEF and came out a little early to get SD as my #2. SD has some GREAT match-ups in the first five weeks. Tampa was just icing on this cake and their week 4 bye isn't something to worry about. I'll take my three over misfit's six.

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Just Win Baby said:

Ministry of Pain said:

OK, let's allow the adults to take over. 6 defenses by MisfitBlondes, that's a new one. 5TEs to boot but only 1 QB and Kicker...I'm rooting for him/her.LHucks despite taking VJax has a nasty trio to lead things off at WR.Couch Potato looks good till bye weeksMust have been a lot of photo contest winners in this

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Which Survivor League are you in?

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EBF said:

This was a survivor league with 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, and 1 FLEX. We get 1 PPR for RB/WR and 1.5 PPR for TE.

Going into the draft, I decided to emphasize QB, RB, and TE with my early picks because I think the scarcity of impact players at those positions, the lack of depth, and the 1.5 PPR for TEs gave them a big boost. I also made a very conscious effort to avoid players with week 4 and 5 byes because they'll be out of my lineup 20% of the time in this five week league setup.

My team analysis:

QB

1.11 - Peyton Manning

12.02 - Chad Henne

Great group. Manning should be a rock in my lineup. Henne is an excellent backup with big game potential. The only downside here is that Henne has an early bye, so I'll need Manning to play well during that week.

RB

4.02 - Ryan Mathews

5.11 - Jahvid Best

6.02 - Felix Jones

11.11 - Donald Brown

Not much in the way of depth, but the quality is there. I think I got excellent value with Mathews at 4.02 and Best at 5.11. People always give me flak for drafting a lot of rookies, but I think they often present great value in redraft leagues because other owners are overly-gunshy about rostering them. Mathews and Best are both easily the most talented backs on their teams and they should log a lot of touches starting immediately in week one. I was planning to avoid Felix Jones because he has an early bye, but the value made sense at 6.02. I needed another good RB who offered a strong combination of upside/reliability. Felix was one of the last good options left. My top three should give me at least two solid options every week if they stay healthy. For my RB4, I was left to decide between Donald Brown and Tim Hightower. I went with Brown because I think he has a little more upside. If nothing else, he should give me a decent emergency backup.

WR

3.11 - Michael Crabtree

7.11 - Jerricho Cotchery

8.02 - Lee Evans

9.11 - Nate Burleson

13.11 - Kevin Walter

14.02 - Josh Morgan

15.11 - Devery Henderson

16.02 - Brandon LaFell

19.11 - Davone Bess

20.02 - Jordy Nelson

23.11 - Emmanuel Sanders

24.02 - Donte Stallworth

I subscribe to a quantity > quality philosophy when it comes to best ball WRs. 3-4 mediocre starters can approximate one elite player's production because in any given week there are 60-80 guys who can catch 5 passes for 80 yards and a TD. With that in mind, WR was my lowest priority among the major positions. Crabtree and Cotchery give me two solid high-floor possession WRs. With Holmes sidelined for a few games, I don't see any reason to think Cotchery won't give me the kind of top 30 ppg numbers he has steadily averaged each of the past three seasons. Evans, Burleson, Walter, Morgan, and Bess are solid veterans who should see lots of playing time for their teams and catch some passes every week. Henderson, Stallworth, and Sanders give me major home run potential since they all have the ability to score long TDs. LaFell was a wild card for upside and Nelson could be a decent depth guy. Overall, this group lacks star power, but I have ridiculous depth with 12 guys competing to fill 3-4 spots every week. Only two of these guys, Bess and Sanders, have a bye in the first five weeks.

TE

2.02 - Jermichael Finley

10.02 - Greg Olsen

I was hoping to get Antonio Gates with my first round pick, but that plan was foiled. I knew I wanted an elite TE though, so I shoehorned Finley into this slot even though it was a bit of a reach. I didn't want Clark because I already had Manning and didn't want to be overly reliant on the Indy passing game. I didn't want Davis because I don't quite trust him yet and I think Crabtree will vulture some of his looks. I didn't want Witten because he has an early bye. That left Finley as the top TE on my board. He's more unproven than I'd like from such an early pick, but I think he's for real. Landing Olsen as my backup in the 10th round was a real stroke of luck. In this format with the flex spot and 1.5 PPR for TE, he really shouldn't have been available that late. I think he gives me a great insurance policy.

PK

21.11 - Josh Scobee

22.02 - Rian Lindell

Two veteran kickers with good job security and late byes.

DEF

17.11 - Redskins DEF

18.02 - Houston DEF

Not great units, but not horrible either and they each have late byes. I might have liked a third defense, but it didn't happen because teams took them early and one owner went bonkers drafting something like 6 defenses.

OVERALL

This is a classic example of my best ball/survivor strategy: elite starters and excellent depth at the premium positions with enough live bodies at RB and WR to keep me afloat. Anything can happen in these leagues and I could be in trouble if my RB crew disappoints, but this team should be hard to kill because it doesn't have any glaring weaknesses.

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Ministry of Pain said:

Phoenix is going to have QB issues...Cutler will be boom or bust on a weekly basis so you follow him up with someone steady not Sanchez and Bradford, that's a weak group IMO. TE is a big issue on that team as well.

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Will Grant said:

Ministry of Pain said:

Phoenix is going to have QB issues...Cutler will be boom or bust on a weekly basis so you follow him up with someone steady not Sanchez and Bradford, that's a weak group IMO. TE is a big issue on that team as well.

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Be gentle with Phoenix. He stepped in as an alternate with pick 1.02 on the clock and 12 other guys screaming at him to get moving. Given his total lack of draft prep, I'd say he did pretty well. The alternative was to auto-pick and two teams having six defenses would have really messed up the late rounds of the draft...

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Detroit Fan 365 said:

MOP what is your analysis of my team?

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Jeff Pasquino said:

JEFF PASQUINO - Pick 1.04

Player YTD Pts Bye

Campbell, Jason OAK QB - 10

McNabb, Donovan WAS QB - 9

Smith, Alex SFO QB - 9

You used the term "solid" down below. You took 3 guys in the 12-20 range and beyond but what you and many other fail to realize is you are going to get smoked by Rodgers, Romo, Brees, Manning...this is not a top5 QB unit.

Addai, Joseph IND RB - 7

Choice, Tashard DAL RB - 4

Foster, Arian HOU RB - 7

McGahee, Willis BAL RB - 8

Rice, Ray BAL RB - 8

Taylor, Chester CHI RB - 8

This is pretty good.

Avant, Jason PHI WR - 8

Berrian, Bernard MIN WR - 4

Floyd, Malcom SDC WR - 10

Jennings, Greg GBP WR - 10

Kelly, Malcolm WAS WR (P) - 9

Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR (P) - 8

Mason, Derrick BAL WR (P) - 8

Thomas, Mike JAC WR - 9

This is not great either. Look at what Det Fan 365 did, LHucks has a pretty top heavy unit as well. I think in a short 5 game season for this leg you could have some problems here.

Celek, Brent PHI TE - 8

Cooley, Chris WAS TE - 9

If you liked Philly this much outside of being a fan you should have locked up Kolb.

Gould, Robbie CHI PK - 8

Nedney, Joe SFO PK - 9

Bills, Buffalo BUF Def - 6

Cowboys, Dallas DAL Def - 4

Ravens, Baltimore BAL Def - 8

I do like the drafting of 3 defenses with large rosters like this. You have a chance JP, but you are far from a shoe in of advancing. I would say closer to to a bubble team. Not bad by any stretch either but you're a staffguy so I am even more critical.

24 Total Players

Don't have a ton of time to break this down but I feel I got a really solid squad here.

Have at it

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Ministry of Pain said:

Jeff Pasquino said:

JEFF PASQUINO - Pick 1.04

Player YTD Pts Bye

Campbell, Jason OAK QB - 10

McNabb, Donovan WAS QB - 9

Smith, Alex SFO QB - 9

You used the term "solid" down below. You took 3 guys in the 12-20 range and beyond but what you and many other fail to realize is you are going to get smoked by Rodgers, Romo, Brees, Manning...this is not a top5 QB unit.

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ceo3west said:

Ministry of Pain said:

Jeff Pasquino said:

JEFF PASQUINO - Pick 1.04

Player YTD Pts Bye

Campbell, Jason OAK QB - 10

McNabb, Donovan WAS QB - 9

Smith, Alex SFO QB - 9

You used the term "solid" down below. You took 3 guys in the 12-20 range and beyond but what you and many other fail to realize is you are going to get smoked by Rodgers, Romo, Brees, Manning...this is not a top5 QB unit.

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I disagree with the QB assessment. In best ball, I would rather have three guys like this than one stud and a mediocare starter. The PPG disparity between a top flight guy and one of these three on a weekly basis will be very small, and if the stud craps out one week that team is in trouble.

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Ministry of Pain said:

ceo3west said:

Ministry of Pain said:

Jeff Pasquino said:

JEFF PASQUINO - Pick 1.04

Player YTD Pts Bye

Campbell, Jason OAK QB - 10

McNabb, Donovan WAS QB - 9

Smith, Alex SFO QB - 9

You used the term "solid" down below. You took 3 guys in the 12-20 range and beyond but what you and many other fail to realize is you are going to get smoked by Rodgers, Romo, Brees, Manning...this is not a top5 QB unit.

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I disagree with the QB assessment. In best ball, I would rather have three guys like this than one stud and a mediocare starter. The PPG disparity between a top flight guy and one of these three on a weekly basis will be very small, and if the stud craps out one week that team is in trouble.

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I'm sorry ceo3 but this is not true. Stats in a vacuum at the end of the year, sure there is a 2 point difference per game between QB1 and QB5...QB5 and QB10, but I did a thread on this if you search titled QBs-2009 a look back and how the stats don't always tell the whole story. The difference when a guy like Brees or Rodgers knocks in 30-35 and you're best QB manages 15-20 is a big spread. It's not a couple points per week. A 3 some form the 12-20 pack is fine over the course of 14 weeks and even then I might not agree totally but in this format you want to go 9-2 every week...maybe I don't have the rules squared away but this is not about just not being on the bottom, you face everyone each week.

So it's not a very small difference and this year I plan on trying to point this out in season more because I think some folks don't get it when I go over it in the Spring.

Edited to add: That trio might be OK if he had a loaded WR or RB stable but I don't see a loaded group, just a middle of the road group mostly. Nothing that screams they will make up for a few points lost at QB. Maybe you feel differently.

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Detroit Fan 365 said:

PKavid BuehlerBilly Cundiff

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MisfitBlondes said:

QB

Brees, Drew NOS

RB

Bush, Michael OAK

Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC

Spiller, C.J. BUF

Wells, Chris ARI

WR

Bowe, Dwayne KCC

Driver, Donald GBP

Heyward-Bey, Darrius OAK

Marshall, Brandon MIA

Meachem, Robert NOS

Robinson, Laurent STL

Williams, Mike TBB

TE

Davis, Fred WAS

Lewis, Marcedes JAC

Nelson, Shawn BUF

Schouman, Derek BUF

Watson, Ben CLE

PK

Hartley, Garrett NOS

D

Browns, Cleveland CLE

Cardinals, Arizona ARI

Falcons, Atlanta ATL

Jaguars, Jacksonville JAC

Lions, Detroit DET

Raiders, Oakland OAK

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Couch Potato said:

Detroit Fan 365 said:

PKavid BuehlerBilly Cundiff

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I'd say your chances are better than 50-50 you won't have a PK scoring for you by about week 3.Cundiff will most likely lose the camp battle to Graham, and Buehler is on such a short leash he's already choking on it. Jerry Jones has said he won't hesitate to replace him for FGs with some old guy (like Stover or Carney) if he struggles, leaving him with just KO duties, and it could happen before week one. You could easily be PK-less for the whole 5 weeks. When you draft someone as iffy as Buehler, you can't back him up with the underdog in a camp battle. Oof.

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Ministry of Pain said:

I'm sorry ceo3 but this is not true. Stats in a vacuum at the end of the year, sure there is a 2 point difference per game between QB1 and QB5...QB5 and QB10, but I did a thread on this if you search titled QBs-2009 a look back and how the stats don't always tell the whole story. The difference when a guy like Brees or Rodgers knocks in 30-35 and you're best QB manages 15-20 is a big spread. It's not a couple points per week. A 3 some form the 12-20 pack is fine over the course of 14 weeks and even then I might not agree totally but in this format you want to go 9-2 every week...maybe I don't have the rules squared away but this is not about just not being on the bottom, you face everyone each week. So it's not a very small difference and this year I plan on trying to point this out in season more because I think some folks don't get it when I go over it in the Spring. Edited to add: That trio might be OK if he had a loaded WR or RB stable but I don't see a loaded group, just a middle of the road group mostly. Nothing that screams they will make up for a few points lost at QB. Maybe you feel differently.

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Couch Potato said:

I'm satisfied with my draft and think I'm in good position to advance. I drafted with a couple specific thoughts in mind --

1) Draft for value without letting the week 4 and 5 byes over-influence my decisions. While it's true I have a number of bye week players, I think they are spread across positions well enough, with good players still playing those weeks, to allow me to compete and survive weeks 4 and 5. And I was able to cherry pick a lot of solid production others were leaving because of the byes, giving me a better chance than most to get to weeks 4 and 5. I didn't want a watered down roster just to avoid bye week players. We'll see how well that strategy works.

2) Be concerned with early season production and VBD, not with how things may play out over the course of the season. I don't care that this or that player might not hold up for 16 games. I'm playing a 5 week season. I don't care that a young draftee's role will increase over the course of the season. The vet is going to be counted on in Sept and Oct when it counts for this contest. I'm primarily a dynasty player so I really had to guard against my tendency to think young at the cost of current production. I wanted to be sure to avoid the mistake others here made -- falling for the sexy shiny new name if the production in the first 5 weeks isn't going to be there to match the spot where he had to be taken.

03.10 Romo, Tony DAL QB (4)

11.10 Young, Vince TEN QB

16.03 Hasselbeck, Matt SEA QB (5)

24.03 Delhomme, Jake CLE QB

This year I think there are three QBs who will stand out. Brees, Rodgers, and Romo (sorry Peyton owners, it looks like IND is looking for better run/pass balance going forward). I was able to get Romo as the 5th QB off the board so I'm pleased. I didn't take another QB until the 11th round even though Romo has a week 4 bye and that's a concern, but each time I had planned an earlier QB pick someone else would take the player I wanted, and I decided there was better value elsewhere and therefore to wait. FWIW, matchups are good during Romo's bye, with Young playing DEN and Hasselbeck playing STL. Having four QBs might help even if that 4th one is Delhorrible; he was my 24th rounder so if he ever factors into my team's scoring it's just a bonus.

04.03 Charles, Jamaal KCC RB (4)

05.10 Bush, Reggie NOS RB

07.10 Brown, Ronnie MIA RB (5)

09.10 Jackson, Fred BUF RB

10.03 Barber, Marion DAL RB (4)

Very pleased with my RBs. I think other owners' bye week avoidance allowed me to get some real bargains at RB. IMO all these guys can be best ball starters in any given week. PPR boosts Charles and Bush quite a bit over non-PPR rankings. Ronnie and Reggie's health over 16 games is always a concern, but I'm betting they can manage to play a whole month which is all I care about. Chan Gailey in BUF uses one back as a workhorse and at least early on that will be Fred Jackson, lessening my week 4 bye concern. And Barber's role in DAL looks to be much bigger than was thought even a month ago. I think both Jackson and Barber were real bargains in the 9th and 10th rounds.

01.10 Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR

06.03 Ward, Hines PIT WR (5)

08.03 Houshmandzadeh, T.J. SEA WR (5)

12.03 Royal, Eddie DEN WR

13.10 Schilens, Chaz OAK WR

15.10 Jones, Jacoby HOU WR

21.10 Hartline, Brian MIA WR (5)

While some folks whose opinions I respect believe Fitz will fall off some this year, others (and more importantly, I) believe he'll be just fine. I took him at 1.06 in another draft a week ago in this same scoring format, so I was obviously happy he fell to me here at 1.10. Hines and Housh will be relied on heavily early on while younger WRs get their feet under them and s/b PPR studs in Sept and Oct. And once again, bye week avoidance let them fall. I looked at FBG staff PPR rankings this morning, and Ward is ranked WR17 and I got him as the 24th WR off the board. Housh is ranked WR24 and I got him 33rd off the board. Royal returns to the role on the field he had when he caught 91 balls as a rookie, correcting last year's miscasting disaster. He could be good for 30 catches over the first 5 weeks of the year with the rookies struggling with health concerns and, well, being rookies. Chaz could get 4-5 catches a game if he can stay on the field now that he has at least a decent QB to get him the ball. Word is Jacoby Jones is pushing for a starting job in the HOU pass happy offense, and he's especially useful in best ball formats where he can blow up with a couple of deep catches. Hartline looks to have the starting gig opposite Marshall, and I'm loving him as my 21st rounder in best ball since he's the guy when MIA throws deep. He could have a 3-107-1 type day for me in there somewhere.

02.03 Clark, Dallas IND TE

14.03 Heap, Todd BAL TE

23.10 Miller, Zach JAC TE

1.5 PPR at TE and Clark led all TEs with 100 catches last year. While I don't see that happening again, I still see him as a very solid VBD value and worth a 2nd round pick and the 3rd TE off the board. Heap's role will not be challenged by the rookies early on so he's a safe play and I thought a bargain in the 14th round and 24th TE off the board. ZM#2 is a bit of a flier in the next-to-last round, and I'm intrigued by his 8 catches and 2 TDs in week 17 of last year as well as an offseason quote by Assist HC/TE Coach Mike Tice regarding Miller's role: "(Dallas Clark) is the guy we’re going to emulate."

18.03 Kaeding, Nate SDC PK

20.03 Rackers, Neil HOU PK

22.03 Carpenter, Dan MIA PK (5)

I think this is a strong group. I'm very confident Rackers will beat out K Brown, getting a PK on a really good offense cheaply because others shied away from the camp battle.

17.10 Patriots, New England NEP Def (5)

19.10 Panthers, Carolina CAR Def

Fantasy defenses are largely dart throws to begin with from year to year, with solid NFL defenses like IND and WAS often not doing well for fantasy while so so defenses pile up the fantasy points. And over a 5 week period it's even less predictable who will shine. DTs were disappearing way too fast for my taste with value still on the board at other positions, and I wasn't going to burn picks as high as others were willing to. I was very satisfied taking the Patriots as the 17th DT off the board, with games against Cin, NYJ, Buf, Mia over the first four weeks. In week 5 I'm having to rely on Carolina to get some INTs and sacks on Cutler CHI, and given the histories of both Jay and the Martz system that's not a reach at all. I would like to have had a 3rd DT but not at the price. Especially with one owner grabbing 6 of them, they were just going too soon to be a value.

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Ministry of Pain said:

I'm sorry ceo3 but this is not true. Stats in a vacuum at the end of the year, sure there is a 2 point difference per game between QB1 and QB5...QB5 and QB10, but I did a thread on this if you search titled QBs-2009 a look back and how the stats don't always tell the whole story. The difference when a guy like Brees or Rodgers knocks in 30-35 and you're best QB manages 15-20 is a big spread. It's not a couple points per week. A 3 some form the 12-20 pack is fine over the course of 14 weeks and even then I might not agree totally but in this format you want to go 9-2 every week...maybe I don't have the rules squared away but this is not about just not being on the bottom, you face everyone each week. So it's not a very small difference and this year I plan on trying to point this out in season more because I think some folks don't get it when I go over it in the Spring. Edited to add: That trio might be OK if he had a loaded WR or RB stable but I don't see a loaded group, just a middle of the road group mostly. Nothing that screams they will make up for a few points lost at QB. Maybe you feel differently.

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I did some more investigation on this, and it further validates three mid-pack QB's can hang with a stud in best ball. I looked at the top 5 QB's per ADP last year - here are the averages of their first five games played using the scoring system in this league:QB1 Brees - 24.4QB2 Brady - 19.5QB3 Manning - 25.2QB4 Rogers - 24.0QB5 Rivers - 21.7Then I looked at last years QB's with the same ADP's as Pasquino's QB's this year. That gave me the following 3 QB's, along with the averages of their best 5 games each week:QB15 Cassel; QB17 Garrard; QB21 Flacco - 23.6 PPGThis is a good sample of QB's in the mid range group from last year because some were better (Favre, Rothlisberger, Eli) and some were worse (Hass, Edwards, Orton).

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footballman_696969 said:

Couch Potato said:

I'm satisfied with my draft and think I'm in good position to advance. I drafted with a couple specific thoughts in mind --

1) Draft for value without letting the week 4 and 5 byes over-influence my decisions. While it's true I have a number of bye week players, I think they are spread across positions well enough, with good players still playing those weeks, to allow me to compete and survive weeks 4 and 5. And I was able to cherry pick a lot of solid production others were leaving because of the byes, giving me a better chance than most to get to weeks 4 and 5. I didn't want a watered down roster just to avoid bye week players. We'll see how well that strategy works.

2) Be concerned with early season production and VBD, not with how things may play out over the course of the season. I don't care that this or that player might not hold up for 16 games. I'm playing a 5 week season. I don't care that a young draftee's role will increase over the course of the season. The vet is going to be counted on in Sept and Oct when it counts for this contest. I'm primarily a dynasty player so I really had to guard against my tendency to think young at the cost of current production. I wanted to be sure to avoid the mistake others here made -- falling for the sexy shiny new name if the production in the first 5 weeks isn't going to be there to match the spot where he had to be taken.

03.10 Romo, Tony DAL QB (4)

11.10 Young, Vince TEN QB

16.03 Hasselbeck, Matt SEA QB (5)

24.03 Delhomme, Jake CLE QB

This year I think there are three QBs who will stand out. Brees, Rodgers, and Romo (sorry Peyton owners, it looks like IND is looking for better run/pass balance going forward). I was able to get Romo as the 5th QB off the board so I'm pleased. I didn't take another QB until the 11th round even though Romo has a week 4 bye and that's a concern, but each time I had planned an earlier QB pick someone else would take the player I wanted, and I decided there was better value elsewhere and therefore to wait. FWIW, matchups are good during Romo's bye, with Young playing DEN and Hasselbeck playing STL. Having four QBs might help even if that 4th one is Delhorrible; he was my 24th rounder so if he ever factors into my team's scoring it's just a bonus.

04.03 Charles, Jamaal KCC RB (4)

05.10 Bush, Reggie NOS RB

07.10 Brown, Ronnie MIA RB (5)

09.10 Jackson, Fred BUF RB

10.03 Barber, Marion DAL RB (4)

Very pleased with my RBs. I think other owners' bye week avoidance allowed me to get some real bargains at RB. IMO all these guys can be best ball starters in any given week. PPR boosts Charles and Bush quite a bit over non-PPR rankings. Ronnie and Reggie's health over 16 games is always a concern, but I'm betting they can manage to play a whole month which is all I care about. Chan Gailey in BUF uses one back as a workhorse and at least early on that will be Fred Jackson, lessening my week 4 bye concern. And Barber's role in DAL looks to be much bigger than was thought even a month ago. I think both Jackson and Barber were real bargains in the 9th and 10th rounds.

01.10 Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR

06.03 Ward, Hines PIT WR (5)

08.03 Houshmandzadeh, T.J. SEA WR (5)

12.03 Royal, Eddie DEN WR

13.10 Schilens, Chaz OAK WR

15.10 Jones, Jacoby HOU WR

21.10 Hartline, Brian MIA WR (5)

While some folks whose opinions I respect believe Fitz will fall off some this year, others (and more importantly, I) believe he'll be just fine. I took him at 1.06 in another draft a week ago in this same scoring format, so I was obviously happy he fell to me here at 1.10. Hines and Housh will be relied on heavily early on while younger WRs get their feet under them and s/b PPR studs in Sept and Oct. And once again, bye week avoidance let them fall. I looked at FBG staff PPR rankings this morning, and Ward is ranked WR17 and I got him as the 24th WR off the board. Housh is ranked WR24 and I got him 33rd off the board. Royal returns to the role on the field he had when he caught 91 balls as a rookie, correcting last year's miscasting disaster. He could be good for 30 catches over the first 5 weeks of the year with the rookies struggling with health concerns and, well, being rookies. Chaz could get 4-5 catches a game if he can stay on the field now that he has at least a decent QB to get him the ball. Word is Jacoby Jones is pushing for a starting job in the HOU pass happy offense, and he's especially useful in best ball formats where he can blow up with a couple of deep catches. Hartline looks to have the starting gig opposite Marshall, and I'm loving him as my 21st rounder in best ball since he's the guy when MIA throws deep. He could have a 3-107-1 type day for me in there somewhere.

02.03 Clark, Dallas IND TE

14.03 Heap, Todd BAL TE

23.10 Miller, Zach JAC TE

1.5 PPR at TE and Clark led all TEs with 100 catches last year. While I don't see that happening again, I still see him as a very solid VBD value and worth a 2nd round pick and the 3rd TE off the board. Heap's role will not be challenged by the rookies early on so he's a safe play and I thought a bargain in the 14th round and 24th TE off the board. ZM#2 is a bit of a flier in the next-to-last round, and I'm intrigued by his 8 catches and 2 TDs in week 17 of last year as well as an offseason quote by Assist HC/TE Coach Mike Tice regarding Miller's role: "(Dallas Clark) is the guy we’re going to emulate."

18.03 Kaeding, Nate SDC PK

20.03 Rackers, Neil HOU PK

22.03 Carpenter, Dan MIA PK (5)

I think this is a strong group. I'm very confident Rackers will beat out K Brown, getting a PK on a really good offense cheaply because others shied away from the camp battle.

17.10 Patriots, New England NEP Def (5)

19.10 Panthers, Carolina CAR Def

Fantasy defenses are largely dart throws to begin with from year to year, with solid NFL defenses like IND and WAS often not doing well for fantasy while so so defenses pile up the fantasy points. And over a 5 week period it's even less predictable who will shine. DTs were disappearing way too fast for my taste with value still on the board at other positions, and I wasn't going to burn picks as high as others were willing to. I was very satisfied taking the Patriots as the 17th DT off the board, with games against Cin, NYJ, Buf, Mia over the first four weeks. In week 5 I'm having to rely on Carolina to get some INTs and sacks on Cutler CHI, and given the histories of both Jay and the Martz system that's not a reach at all. I would like to have had a 3rd DT but not at the price. Especially with one owner grabbing 6 of them, they were just going too soon to be a value.

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Great draft. This is by far my favourite team. You got great starters and great depth. You aren't weak at any position it looks like. Nice mixture of high upside players and some savy reliable vets. Good Job.

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footballman_696969 said:

Couch Potato said:

I'm satisfied with my draft and think I'm in good position to advance. I drafted with a couple specific thoughts in mind --

1) Draft for value without letting the week 4 and 5 byes over-influence my decisions. While it's true I have a number of bye week players, I think they are spread across positions well enough, with good players still playing those weeks, to allow me to compete and survive weeks 4 and 5. And I was able to cherry pick a lot of solid production others were leaving because of the byes, giving me a better chance than most to get to weeks 4 and 5. I didn't want a watered down roster just to avoid bye week players. We'll see how well that strategy works.

2) Be concerned with early season production and VBD, not with how things may play out over the course of the season. I don't care that this or that player might not hold up for 16 games. I'm playing a 5 week season. I don't care that a young draftee's role will increase over the course of the season. The vet is going to be counted on in Sept and Oct when it counts for this contest. I'm primarily a dynasty player so I really had to guard against my tendency to think young at the cost of current production. I wanted to be sure to avoid the mistake others here made -- falling for the sexy shiny new name if the production in the first 5 weeks isn't going to be there to match the spot where he had to be taken.

03.10 Romo, Tony DAL QB (4)

11.10 Young, Vince TEN QB

16.03 Hasselbeck, Matt SEA QB (5)

24.03 Delhomme, Jake CLE QB

This year I think there are three QBs who will stand out. Brees, Rodgers, and Romo (sorry Peyton owners, it looks like IND is looking for better run/pass balance going forward). I was able to get Romo as the 5th QB off the board so I'm pleased. I didn't take another QB until the 11th round even though Romo has a week 4 bye and that's a concern, but each time I had planned an earlier QB pick someone else would take the player I wanted, and I decided there was better value elsewhere and therefore to wait. FWIW, matchups are good during Romo's bye, with Young playing DEN and Hasselbeck playing STL. Having four QBs might help even if that 4th one is Delhorrible; he was my 24th rounder so if he ever factors into my team's scoring it's just a bonus.

04.03 Charles, Jamaal KCC RB (4)

05.10 Bush, Reggie NOS RB

07.10 Brown, Ronnie MIA RB (5)

09.10 Jackson, Fred BUF RB

10.03 Barber, Marion DAL RB (4)

Very pleased with my RBs. I think other owners' bye week avoidance allowed me to get some real bargains at RB. IMO all these guys can be best ball starters in any given week. PPR boosts Charles and Bush quite a bit over non-PPR rankings. Ronnie and Reggie's health over 16 games is always a concern, but I'm betting they can manage to play a whole month which is all I care about. Chan Gailey in BUF uses one back as a workhorse and at least early on that will be Fred Jackson, lessening my week 4 bye concern. And Barber's role in DAL looks to be much bigger than was thought even a month ago. I think both Jackson and Barber were real bargains in the 9th and 10th rounds.

01.10 Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR

06.03 Ward, Hines PIT WR (5)

08.03 Houshmandzadeh, T.J. SEA WR (5)

12.03 Royal, Eddie DEN WR

13.10 Schilens, Chaz OAK WR

15.10 Jones, Jacoby HOU WR

21.10 Hartline, Brian MIA WR (5)

While some folks whose opinions I respect believe Fitz will fall off some this year, others (and more importantly, I) believe he'll be just fine. I took him at 1.06 in another draft a week ago in this same scoring format, so I was obviously happy he fell to me here at 1.10. Hines and Housh will be relied on heavily early on while younger WRs get their feet under them and s/b PPR studs in Sept and Oct. And once again, bye week avoidance let them fall. I looked at FBG staff PPR rankings this morning, and Ward is ranked WR17 and I got him as the 24th WR off the board. Housh is ranked WR24 and I got him 33rd off the board. Royal returns to the role on the field he had when he caught 91 balls as a rookie, correcting last year's miscasting disaster. He could be good for 30 catches over the first 5 weeks of the year with the rookies struggling with health concerns and, well, being rookies. Chaz could get 4-5 catches a game if he can stay on the field now that he has at least a decent QB to get him the ball. Word is Jacoby Jones is pushing for a starting job in the HOU pass happy offense, and he's especially useful in best ball formats where he can blow up with a couple of deep catches. Hartline looks to have the starting gig opposite Marshall, and I'm loving him as my 21st rounder in best ball since he's the guy when MIA throws deep. He could have a 3-107-1 type day for me in there somewhere.

02.03 Clark, Dallas IND TE

14.03 Heap, Todd BAL TE

23.10 Miller, Zach JAC TE

1.5 PPR at TE and Clark led all TEs with 100 catches last year. While I don't see that happening again, I still see him as a very solid VBD value and worth a 2nd round pick and the 3rd TE off the board. Heap's role will not be challenged by the rookies early on so he's a safe play and I thought a bargain in the 14th round and 24th TE off the board. ZM#2 is a bit of a flier in the next-to-last round, and I'm intrigued by his 8 catches and 2 TDs in week 17 of last year as well as an offseason quote by Assist HC/TE Coach Mike Tice regarding Miller's role: "(Dallas Clark) is the guy we’re going to emulate."

18.03 Kaeding, Nate SDC PK

20.03 Rackers, Neil HOU PK

22.03 Carpenter, Dan MIA PK (5)

I think this is a strong group. I'm very confident Rackers will beat out K Brown, getting a PK on a really good offense cheaply because others shied away from the camp battle.

17.10 Patriots, New England NEP Def (5)

19.10 Panthers, Carolina CAR Def

Fantasy defenses are largely dart throws to begin with from year to year, with solid NFL defenses like IND and WAS often not doing well for fantasy while so so defenses pile up the fantasy points. And over a 5 week period it's even less predictable who will shine. DTs were disappearing way too fast for my taste with value still on the board at other positions, and I wasn't going to burn picks as high as others were willing to. I was very satisfied taking the Patriots as the 17th DT off the board, with games against Cin, NYJ, Buf, Mia over the first four weeks. In week 5 I'm having to rely on Carolina to get some INTs and sacks on Cutler CHI, and given the histories of both Jay and the Martz system that's not a reach at all. I would like to have had a 3rd DT but not at the price. Especially with one owner grabbing 6 of them, they were just going too soon to be a value.

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Great draft. This is by far my favourite team. You got great starters and great depth. You aren't weak at any position it looks like. Nice mixture of high upside players and some savy reliable vets. Good Job.

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Detroit Fan 365 said:

My TeamQB Matt SchaubBrett FavreByron LeftwichTop 6 QB in Schaub and another top 12 qb in Favre if he comes back added Leftwich in case out of the 4 games he starts hoping he'll have one great game, although chances are I won't need him.RBs:Rashard MendenhallCedric BensonClinton PortisLeon WashingtonThomas JonesToby GerhartI like Mendenhall and Benson a lot, but in a ppr league they are mediocre at best, Portis adds decent depth although he's too old and could be replaced by Johnson, Washington could be the 3rd down back in Seatle which is good in ppr leagues, Jones should split carries with Charles, but behind that lind does it even matter?WRs:Andre JohnsonMiles AustinJohnny KnoxTerrell OwensDevin AromashaduGolden TateNate WashingtonI love my WRs I have the #1 and #7 WR on my board seeing that we start two that made me very pleased. Knox has been targeted more than any other WR so far in Chicago's training camp and under Martz that is gold, DA has been targeted the 2nd most and has caught 75% of the passes he has been targeted on, so he'll be a decent gamble. T.O. will no longer be double teamed, he looked good, but not spectacular tonight.TE:Heath MillerBo ScaifeAnthony FasanoAs a unit completely lackluster and could really hurt me in a league that rewards 1.5 ppr for TEs especially with Big Ben out the entire leg 1 competition.PKavid BuehlerBilly CundiffBuehler should win out and he look decent tonight, Cundiff is in a kicker battle for Baltimore if he wins then I like the kickers.DefackersSteelersReally happy with my defenses and they should give me a leg up on the competition. Overall I should survive the first 4 weeks, but week 5 is really going to be a tough week.

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MisfitBlondes said:

QB

Brees, Drew NOS

RB

Bush, Michael OAK

Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC

Spiller, C.J. BUF

Wells, Chris ARI

WR

Bowe, Dwayne KCC

Driver, Donald GBP

Heyward-Bey, Darrius OAK

Marshall, Brandon MIA

Meachem, Robert NOS

Robinson, Laurent STL

Williams, Mike TBB

TE

Davis, Fred WAS

Lewis, Marcedes JAC

Nelson, Shawn BUF

Schouman, Derek BUF

Watson, Ben CLE

PK

Hartley, Garrett NOS

D

Browns, Cleveland CLE

Cardinals, Arizona ARI

Falcons, Atlanta ATL

Jaguars, Jacksonville JAC

Lions, Detroit DET

Raiders, Oakland OAK

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Deranged Hermit said:

MisfitBlondes said:

QB

Brees, Drew NOS

RB

Bush, Michael OAK

Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC

Spiller, C.J. BUF

Wells, Chris ARI

WR

Bowe, Dwayne KCC

Driver, Donald GBP

Heyward-Bey, Darrius OAK

Marshall, Brandon MIA

Meachem, Robert NOS

Robinson, Laurent STL

Williams, Mike TBB

TE

Davis, Fred WAS

Lewis, Marcedes JAC

Nelson, Shawn BUF

Schouman, Derek BUF

Watson, Ben CLE

PK

Hartley, Garrett NOS

D

Browns, Cleveland CLE

Cardinals, Arizona ARI

Falcons, Atlanta ATL

Jaguars, Jacksonville JAC

Lions, Detroit DET

Raiders, Oakland OAK

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Ouch. Never, never, never take one QB in a best ball format.

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gianmarco said:

Deranged Hermit said:

MisfitBlondes said:

QB

Brees, Drew NOS

RB

Bush, Michael OAK

Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC

Spiller, C.J. BUF

Wells, Chris ARI

WR

Bowe, Dwayne KCC

Driver, Donald GBP

Heyward-Bey, Darrius OAK

Marshall, Brandon MIA

Meachem, Robert NOS

Robinson, Laurent STL

Williams, Mike TBB

TE

Davis, Fred WAS

Lewis, Marcedes JAC

Nelson, Shawn BUF

Schouman, Derek BUF

Watson, Ben CLE

PK

Hartley, Garrett NOS

D

Browns, Cleveland CLE

Cardinals, Arizona ARI

Falcons, Atlanta ATL

Jaguars, Jacksonville JAC

Lions, Detroit DET

Raiders, Oakland OAK

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Ouch. Never, never, never take one QB in a best ball format.

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Over a full season, definitely not, but for just 5 weeks, if you've got a guy like Brees who very rarely puts up a true stinker, it's not terrible.

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MisfitBlondes said:

gianmarco said:

Deranged Hermit said:

Ouch. Never, never, never take one QB in a best ball format.

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Over a full season, definitely not, but for just 5 weeks, if you've got a guy like Brees who very rarely puts up a true stinker, it's not terrible.

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Yeah, what the Saints homer said.

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MisfitBlondes said:

Deranged Hermit said:

What if Brees goes down? You're absolutely sunk. That not necessarily the case if you have someone, anyone, else to play QB.

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Now what if Brees doesn't go down and the player (or most likely D) that I chose instead of another QB scores enough to keep me in for 5 weeks?

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Ministry of Pain said:

As long as you're happy EBF, that's what counts. That WR group is not gonna stack up but it sounds like you got what you wanted. No 2nd thoughts about the rookies so early in their careers? You expect them to hit the ground running? Top10 from both each week...top20? Caddy owns the record for most yds 1st 4 weeks of his career, do you expect that to be eclipsed?

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MisfitBlondes said:

gianmarco said:

Deranged Hermit said:

Ouch. Never, never, never take one QB in a best ball format.

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Over a full season, definitely not, but for just 5 weeks, if you've got a guy like Brees who very rarely puts up a true stinker, it's not terrible.

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Yeah, what the Saints homer said.

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MisfitBlondes said:

Anthony Borbely said:

MisfitBlondes said:

gianmarco said:

Deranged Hermit said:

Ouch. Never, never, never take one QB in a best ball format.

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Over a full season, definitely not, but for just 5 weeks, if you've got a guy like Brees who very rarely puts up a true stinker, it's not terrible.

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Yeah, what the Saints homer said.

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Brees had less than 200 passing yards and no TDs in weeks 3 and 4 last year. Even the great ones have clunkers.

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We'll just call that a fluke...if he does it this year, we can call it a trend.

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